Transparency international ranks Trump as the most corrupt president in US history.
Siena survey of historians rank the twice impeached and convicted felon the worst in integrity.
C-span survey of presidential experts rank Trump at the bottom for moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all. Trump's abuses of power include subverting election, inciting an insurrection, politicizing justice department, obstructing investigations, abusing pardon power, firing whistleblowers and profiting off the presidency.
In contrast, Biden has no criminal record and no impeachment.
Unlike Trump, no one in Biden's cabinet has been convicted of crimes.
Similar to Obama, Biden administration is one of the most ethical and least criminal in US history.
@thirdperson
Well stated!!
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Transparency international ranks Trump as the most corrupt president in US history.
Siena survey of historians rank the twice impeached and convicted felon the worst in integrity.
C-span survey of presidential experts rank Trump at the bottom for moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all. Trump's abuses of power include subverting election, inciting an insurrection, politicizing justice department, obstructing investigations, abusing pardon power, firing whistleblowers and profiting off the presidency.
In contrast, Biden has no criminal record and no impeachment.
Unlike Trump, no one in Biden's cabinet has been convicted of crimes.
Similar to Obama, Biden administration is one of the most ethical and least criminal in US history.
"Donald, this is not the Soviet Union. You can’t change the truth and you cannot silence us. Remember all your lies about the voting machines, the election workers, your countless allegations of fraud that never happened? Many of your lawyers have been sanctioned, disciplined or disbarred, the courts ruled against you, and dozens of your own White House, administration, and campaign aides testified against you. Remember how you sent a mob to our Capitol and then watched the violence on television and refused for hours to instruct the mob to leave? Remember how your former Vice President prevented you from overturning our Republic? We remember. And now, as you take office again, the American people need to reject your latest malicious falsehoods and stand as the guardrails of our Constitutional Republic — to protect the America we love from you." Liz Cheney about 3 hours ago
Hmmmm, I think that covers it for now.
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@THEMUGG
"Donald, this is not the Soviet Union. You can’t change the truth and you cannot silence us. Remember all your lies about the voting machines, the election workers, your countless allegations of fraud that never happened? Many of your lawyers have been sanctioned, disciplined or disbarred, the courts ruled against you, and dozens of your own White House, administration, and campaign aides testified against you. Remember how you sent a mob to our Capitol and then watched the violence on television and refused for hours to instruct the mob to leave? Remember how your former Vice President prevented you from overturning our Republic? We remember. And now, as you take office again, the American people need to reject your latest malicious falsehoods and stand as the guardrails of our Constitutional Republic — to protect the America we love from you." Liz Cheney about 3 hours ago
Liz Cheney, the Cheney family, are horrible people. It blows my mind that all of a sudden she's a liberal darling. Just another warhawk enriching thenselves off conflict and death
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@THEMUGG She has the biggest balls in the GOP!
Liz Cheney, the Cheney family, are horrible people. It blows my mind that all of a sudden she's a liberal darling. Just another warhawk enriching thenselves off conflict and death
@StumpTownStu She's no darling & her old man is despicable. However, she stood up against her party & is one of the very few in the GOP who refused to kiss the ass of the POS.
Call it a hunch, bro, but I don't think there is anything selfless and altruistic about her "standing up" to the party and Trump. I'd bet money it's because some policy of his, probably involving defense spending, is counter to her and her family's private interests. This is what drives a person to move to a state she barely has a connection to solely to run for congress, after a failed senate bid. These are the types of thing's liberals used to be against but I guess it's ok because she "stood up to Trump".
@Midnight1
Brother, my wife just odered a used copy of her book literally a few days ago. I f'ing roasted her about it for a good couple of minutes. Basically just as much as I could get away with.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@StumpTownStu She's no darling & her old man is despicable. However, she stood up against her party & is one of the very few in the GOP who refused to kiss the ass of the POS.
Call it a hunch, bro, but I don't think there is anything selfless and altruistic about her "standing up" to the party and Trump. I'd bet money it's because some policy of his, probably involving defense spending, is counter to her and her family's private interests. This is what drives a person to move to a state she barely has a connection to solely to run for congress, after a failed senate bid. These are the types of thing's liberals used to be against but I guess it's ok because she "stood up to Trump".
@Midnight1
Brother, my wife just odered a used copy of her book literally a few days ago. I f'ing roasted her about it for a good couple of minutes. Basically just as much as I could get away with.
You're backing a lame horse, bro......but have at it.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@THEMUGG Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe awards Liz Cheney a "citizens medal" You can't make this stuff up. One of the best trades in modern times was Liz Cheney for Tulsi Gabbard
Absolutely!
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@Midnight1
You're backing a lame horse, bro......but have at it.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@THEMUGG Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe awards Liz Cheney a "citizens medal" You can't make this stuff up. One of the best trades in modern times was Liz Cheney for Tulsi Gabbard
These are all parting shots by the loser dems. Along with sentencing Trump before he becomes pres so they can actually call him a felon, even though uneducated idiots here already do.
I say no mercy, crush them like the cancer they are. End the filibuster now and pack the supreme court with more conservatives. They wanna be vendictive, give it right back.
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@THEMUGG
These are all parting shots by the loser dems. Along with sentencing Trump before he becomes pres so they can actually call him a felon, even though uneducated idiots here already do.
I say no mercy, crush them like the cancer they are. End the filibuster now and pack the supreme court with more conservatives. They wanna be vendictive, give it right back.
@THEMUGG These are all parting shots by the loser dems. Along with sentencing Trump before he becomes pres so they can actually call him a felon, even though uneducated idiots here already do. I say no mercy, crush them like the cancer they are. End the filibuster now and pack the supreme court with more conservatives. They wanna be vendictive, give it right back.
Sixteen more days before the Big Guy 10%er and his minions here are committed to a psych ward....LMAO. Monday, Jan 6....for the five year anniversary, I'm paying for all the pizza and beer for about sixty of us here in town to celebrate!!
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
@THEMUGG These are all parting shots by the loser dems. Along with sentencing Trump before he becomes pres so they can actually call him a felon, even though uneducated idiots here already do. I say no mercy, crush them like the cancer they are. End the filibuster now and pack the supreme court with more conservatives. They wanna be vendictive, give it right back.
Sixteen more days before the Big Guy 10%er and his minions here are committed to a psych ward....LMAO. Monday, Jan 6....for the five year anniversary, I'm paying for all the pizza and beer for about sixty of us here in town to celebrate!!
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @StumpTownStu She's no darling & her old man is despicable. However, she stood up against her party & is one of the very few in the GOP who refused to kiss the ass of the POS. More than Joe Manchin? I mean Liz doesn't like Trump, Manchin doesn't like your entire party.
I think Manchin is more an independent who (wisely) became super wealthy by siding with positions of oil companies and was very powerful indeed when the Senate was evenly divided, and his vote became coveted by both sides.
I respect Thomas Massie (R)-Ky more than any other republican, even though I am "old school social democrat" (not US citizen). He has and will continue to stand up to Trump, other republicans, and he doesnt do so to become richer. If you want to know the best side to be on, on any issue, look at his position. He is a brilliant mind, an MIT engineering mind is just one of his accomplishments....
He opposed the nomination of Johnson for speaker, because of his support for 61 billion in aid to Ukraine that had no provisions for standardized accountability. Again, he does this for no personal or professional gains, unlike Cheney or Manchin.
I believe Massie will be the best politician to follow, to unravel the mistakes of Trump 2,0. There will be many mistakes. Not appointing Thomas Massie to a cabinet level position is just the beginning...
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Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @StumpTownStu She's no darling & her old man is despicable. However, she stood up against her party & is one of the very few in the GOP who refused to kiss the ass of the POS. More than Joe Manchin? I mean Liz doesn't like Trump, Manchin doesn't like your entire party.
I think Manchin is more an independent who (wisely) became super wealthy by siding with positions of oil companies and was very powerful indeed when the Senate was evenly divided, and his vote became coveted by both sides.
I respect Thomas Massie (R)-Ky more than any other republican, even though I am "old school social democrat" (not US citizen). He has and will continue to stand up to Trump, other republicans, and he doesnt do so to become richer. If you want to know the best side to be on, on any issue, look at his position. He is a brilliant mind, an MIT engineering mind is just one of his accomplishments....
He opposed the nomination of Johnson for speaker, because of his support for 61 billion in aid to Ukraine that had no provisions for standardized accountability. Again, he does this for no personal or professional gains, unlike Cheney or Manchin.
I believe Massie will be the best politician to follow, to unravel the mistakes of Trump 2,0. There will be many mistakes. Not appointing Thomas Massie to a cabinet level position is just the beginning...
I think Manchin is more an independent who (wisely) became super wealthy by siding with positions of oil companies
How exactly do you mean? He was plenty wealthy before getting in office from his coal company he started.
There are no indications he has done anything shady, like insider trading. I do not even think he owns any oil stocks.
Sure, they have contributed to his campaign. But, coal is where his money was, mostly, made.
Sure, the coal and oil policies align, for the most part. But they also diverge enough to not have a direct line made to say that was what made him super wealthy.
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@MizuNoYoNiNaru
I think Manchin is more an independent who (wisely) became super wealthy by siding with positions of oil companies
How exactly do you mean? He was plenty wealthy before getting in office from his coal company he started.
There are no indications he has done anything shady, like insider trading. I do not even think he owns any oil stocks.
Sure, they have contributed to his campaign. But, coal is where his money was, mostly, made.
Sure, the coal and oil policies align, for the most part. But they also diverge enough to not have a direct line made to say that was what made him super wealthy.
I don't believe anyone knows how much any politician truly makes by holding out his vote on a budget bill, but Manchin has shown how to withold support until provisions are removed that have a detrimental effect on the fossil fuel industry (which includes oil, coal...). For several years, Manchin was the most powerful Senator,--because of this style of negotiating--and although already enormously wealthy, as you mentioned, he certainly enriched himself and protected the assets of the fossil fuel industry and other partners. I say he is "wise" but meant something along the lines of a very shrewd businessman. And he got his way...several times. I think there was a Democrat Senator (she is not a Senator anymore, but was from Arizona) who tried to play this style, but there is only one Joe Manchin.
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@Raiders22
I don't believe anyone knows how much any politician truly makes by holding out his vote on a budget bill, but Manchin has shown how to withold support until provisions are removed that have a detrimental effect on the fossil fuel industry (which includes oil, coal...). For several years, Manchin was the most powerful Senator,--because of this style of negotiating--and although already enormously wealthy, as you mentioned, he certainly enriched himself and protected the assets of the fossil fuel industry and other partners. I say he is "wise" but meant something along the lines of a very shrewd businessman. And he got his way...several times. I think there was a Democrat Senator (she is not a Senator anymore, but was from Arizona) who tried to play this style, but there is only one Joe Manchin.
But 'getting your way' and 'becoming super wealthy from siding'' on issues, are two separate things.
So, again, how exactly would he make money from withholding his vote? It is not like he was getting kickbacks or doing insider trading.
He was going to make money from the coal company no mater what. As, I said, mostly the oil and coal issues align. But, that is somewhat different than simply 'siding with positions of oil companies'.
For sure, he has not sided with the Green Energy Scam stuff.
But, there is always an implied underhandedness and that Congressmen 'make money' from their votes. This is simply not usually the case.
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@MizuNoYoNiNaru
Okay.
But 'getting your way' and 'becoming super wealthy from siding'' on issues, are two separate things.
So, again, how exactly would he make money from withholding his vote? It is not like he was getting kickbacks or doing insider trading.
He was going to make money from the coal company no mater what. As, I said, mostly the oil and coal issues align. But, that is somewhat different than simply 'siding with positions of oil companies'.
For sure, he has not sided with the Green Energy Scam stuff.
But, there is always an implied underhandedness and that Congressmen 'make money' from their votes. This is simply not usually the case.
@MizuNoYoNiNaru Okay. But 'getting your way' and 'becoming super wealthy from siding'' on issues, are two separate things. So, again, how exactly would he make money from withholding his vote? It is not like he was getting kickbacks or doing insider trading. He was going to make money from the coal company no mater what. As, I said, mostly the oil and coal issues align. But, that is somewhat different than simply 'siding with positions of oil companies'. For sure, he has not sided with the Green Energy Scam stuff. But, there is always an implied underhandedness and that Congressmen 'make money' from their votes. This is simply not usually the case.
I am "painting with a broad paint brush" but what is at play is simple to understand: If you are a diehard partisan congress person, your vote is already counted on. If you are on the fence, your vote becomes more valueable. I have no evidence of kickbacks, but they are not illegal (unfortunately....for the sanctity of US politics/institutions), but corporate lobbying has the effect of disenfranchising US voters, thereby undermining the principles of democracy.
Sen Feinstein did this with US healthcare. There are many examples. There are examples of US lawmakers being paid/funded by foreign lobbyists to change their positions (now THAT should be illegal). I am against what Israel is doing, but that is another rabbit hole....
Even Ancient Greece could not control the influence of the elite classes, and felt obliged to grant them special powers and influence in case the people voted for terrible things. So this corruption will always plague attempts at any true democracy. America's democracy is more a Constitutional Republic who depends on the elected representatives for their wishes to be reflected in governance--and this often does not happen in the most important matters (budget+war+health+education....)/
The members of Congress will likely never pass legislation for term limits, for campaign reform, to control lobbyists, campaign contributions....even to change elections as they are....because they have all been elected and enriched by this same system, and no need to change it (*wink-wink).
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@MizuNoYoNiNaru Okay. But 'getting your way' and 'becoming super wealthy from siding'' on issues, are two separate things. So, again, how exactly would he make money from withholding his vote? It is not like he was getting kickbacks or doing insider trading. He was going to make money from the coal company no mater what. As, I said, mostly the oil and coal issues align. But, that is somewhat different than simply 'siding with positions of oil companies'. For sure, he has not sided with the Green Energy Scam stuff. But, there is always an implied underhandedness and that Congressmen 'make money' from their votes. This is simply not usually the case.
I am "painting with a broad paint brush" but what is at play is simple to understand: If you are a diehard partisan congress person, your vote is already counted on. If you are on the fence, your vote becomes more valueable. I have no evidence of kickbacks, but they are not illegal (unfortunately....for the sanctity of US politics/institutions), but corporate lobbying has the effect of disenfranchising US voters, thereby undermining the principles of democracy.
Sen Feinstein did this with US healthcare. There are many examples. There are examples of US lawmakers being paid/funded by foreign lobbyists to change their positions (now THAT should be illegal). I am against what Israel is doing, but that is another rabbit hole....
Even Ancient Greece could not control the influence of the elite classes, and felt obliged to grant them special powers and influence in case the people voted for terrible things. So this corruption will always plague attempts at any true democracy. America's democracy is more a Constitutional Republic who depends on the elected representatives for their wishes to be reflected in governance--and this often does not happen in the most important matters (budget+war+health+education....)/
The members of Congress will likely never pass legislation for term limits, for campaign reform, to control lobbyists, campaign contributions....even to change elections as they are....because they have all been elected and enriched by this same system, and no need to change it (*wink-wink).
Yes. I get all of that and there are some blatant examples. Bachus, Pelosi, etc.
But, even with a 'broad brush', it is a leap of generalization to include Manchin and imply that it made him 'super wealthy' is all I am pointing out.
You are correct, in ancient times, it was this way and even seen as a 'brag' of sorts to be able to run for office because you were wealthy.
But a lot of times people that are already wealthy and very successful in other avenues go into politics and folks tend to assume they do it to further their wealth. This is just not the case. Of course, there are exceptions; I just have not seen Manchin as one.
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@MizuNoYoNiNaru
Yes. I get all of that and there are some blatant examples. Bachus, Pelosi, etc.
But, even with a 'broad brush', it is a leap of generalization to include Manchin and imply that it made him 'super wealthy' is all I am pointing out.
You are correct, in ancient times, it was this way and even seen as a 'brag' of sorts to be able to run for office because you were wealthy.
But a lot of times people that are already wealthy and very successful in other avenues go into politics and folks tend to assume they do it to further their wealth. This is just not the case. Of course, there are exceptions; I just have not seen Manchin as one.
Unlike Trump, no one in Biden's cabinet has been convicted of crimes. 
Well stated!!
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