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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 1:19 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Translation....more of the status quo for the last two decades.

    Congressional Budget Office (CBO) will have it's final score on this GOP's Health Bill in a couple of weeks, my guess is it's pretty the same as the last score in March or even worse for low income seniors and people with pre-existing conditions. If a person, regardless of a Democrat or Republican, has a very common illness high blood pressure, that person is deemed as the pre-existing one. 

    When people get tossed out of health care insurance, many of them will not likely to see preventive care by visiting primary physician for basic illness until they get severely sick and ought to attend the emergency rooms which will cost tax payers event more money.    
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Translation....more of the status quo for the last two decades.

    Congressional Budget Office (CBO) will have it's final score on this GOP's Health Bill in a couple of weeks, my guess is it's pretty the same as the last score in March or even worse for low income seniors and people with pre-existing conditions. If a person, regardless of a Democrat or Republican, has a very common illness high blood pressure, that person is deemed as the pre-existing one. 

    When people get tossed out of health care insurance, many of them will not likely to see preventive care by visiting primary physician for basic illness until they get severely sick and ought to attend the emergency rooms which will cost tax payers event more money.    
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 5:47 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to thebalance, one myth is that insurance costs are rising due to Obamacare.  Even without Obamacare, premiums would still increase.  According to Brookings institute, premiums would be higher without Obamacare.   According to non-partisan Congress budget office, the myth is that Obamacare is unsustainable.

    Other countries are proud of their healthcare system with universal coverage.  Being on a waiting list is better than being uninsured.  Waiting time isn't that bad because sicker patients receive priority in treatment.  Besides, US has its share of waiting lists too.  World health organization rates quality of healthcare system in Canada and many countries ahead of the US.


    If you watched my video that I posted you would've seen Obama promising he would pass Universal Health Care by the end of his first term. FAILED PROMISE

    He also promised that Obamacare would REDUCE Premiums.

    How is in not the Fault of Obamacare that premiums are rising? You need to quit relying on lefty web sources and think more for yourself.

    When Insurance companies can't stay afloat in the business and other companies have to absorb the high risk patients...the cost is going to go up.

    Having to cover pre existing conditions, like them or not, has caused cost to go up faster than if Obamacare had never been passed. This is basic stuff here. You don't get to pull things out of your but that doesn't even make sense.

    In the video, one patient had to wait 9 hours for a penicillin shot. That is a high priority case but didn't get treated as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to thebalance, one myth is that insurance costs are rising due to Obamacare.  Even without Obamacare, premiums would still increase.  According to Brookings institute, premiums would be higher without Obamacare.   According to non-partisan Congress budget office, the myth is that Obamacare is unsustainable.

    Other countries are proud of their healthcare system with universal coverage.  Being on a waiting list is better than being uninsured.  Waiting time isn't that bad because sicker patients receive priority in treatment.  Besides, US has its share of waiting lists too.  World health organization rates quality of healthcare system in Canada and many countries ahead of the US.


    If you watched my video that I posted you would've seen Obama promising he would pass Universal Health Care by the end of his first term. FAILED PROMISE

    He also promised that Obamacare would REDUCE Premiums.

    How is in not the Fault of Obamacare that premiums are rising? You need to quit relying on lefty web sources and think more for yourself.

    When Insurance companies can't stay afloat in the business and other companies have to absorb the high risk patients...the cost is going to go up.

    Having to cover pre existing conditions, like them or not, has caused cost to go up faster than if Obamacare had never been passed. This is basic stuff here. You don't get to pull things out of your but that doesn't even make sense.

    In the video, one patient had to wait 9 hours for a penicillin shot. That is a high priority case but didn't get treated as such.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 10:52 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by Slobbasaurus:


    I understand what you're saying Cave.  

    I'm fortunate enough to work as an accountant for a Not-for-Profit org that has always taken care of its employees.  

    You are absolutely right that this could affect me in future years, but if it doesn't concern me now and is completely out of my control, why sweat over it?  

    I'm blessed that I'm healthy in my early thirties with great job security.  

    I know this is going to affect a lot of Americans and I'm happy that I don't have to stress over it. 

    What kind of fuc*ing attitude is this?

    It doesn't affect me so why stress over it?

    How about because tens of millions of other Americans will love or die as a consequence?

    How does someone say something so depraved and then shrug their shoulders? Jesus Christ!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobbasaurus:


    I understand what you're saying Cave.  

    I'm fortunate enough to work as an accountant for a Not-for-Profit org that has always taken care of its employees.  

    You are absolutely right that this could affect me in future years, but if it doesn't concern me now and is completely out of my control, why sweat over it?  

    I'm blessed that I'm healthy in my early thirties with great job security.  

    I know this is going to affect a lot of Americans and I'm happy that I don't have to stress over it. 

    What kind of fuc*ing attitude is this?

    It doesn't affect me so why stress over it?

    How about because tens of millions of other Americans will love or die as a consequence?

    How does someone say something so depraved and then shrug their shoulders? Jesus Christ!
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 10:55 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    If you watched my video that I posted you would've seen Obama promising he would pass Universal Health Care by the end of his first term. FAILED PROMISE

    He also promised that Obamacare would REDUCE Premiums.

    How is in not the Fault of Obamacare that premiums are rising? You need to quit relying on lefty web sources and think more for yourself.

    When Insurance companies can't stay afloat in the business and other companies have to absorb the high risk patients...the cost is going to go up.

    Having to cover pre existing conditions, like them or not, has caused cost to go up faster than if Obamacare had never been passed. This is basic stuff here. You don't get to pull things out of your but that doesn't even make sense.

    In the video, one patient had to wait 9 hours for a penicillin shot. That is a high priority case but didn't get treated as such.

    Are you fuckin* serious too?

    The health care industry operates as a FOR PROFIT industry which is unique among first world countries.

    That means they are always trying to increase profits. Do you think this is done by continually lowering premiums.

    I am blow away everyone looks away from the insurers when they are the ones responsible for the countries health care costs! 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    If you watched my video that I posted you would've seen Obama promising he would pass Universal Health Care by the end of his first term. FAILED PROMISE

    He also promised that Obamacare would REDUCE Premiums.

    How is in not the Fault of Obamacare that premiums are rising? You need to quit relying on lefty web sources and think more for yourself.

    When Insurance companies can't stay afloat in the business and other companies have to absorb the high risk patients...the cost is going to go up.

    Having to cover pre existing conditions, like them or not, has caused cost to go up faster than if Obamacare had never been passed. This is basic stuff here. You don't get to pull things out of your but that doesn't even make sense.

    In the video, one patient had to wait 9 hours for a penicillin shot. That is a high priority case but didn't get treated as such.

    Are you fuckin* serious too?

    The health care industry operates as a FOR PROFIT industry which is unique among first world countries.

    That means they are always trying to increase profits. Do you think this is done by continually lowering premiums.

    I am blow away everyone looks away from the insurers when they are the ones responsible for the countries health care costs! 
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2017 - 2:12 AM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Are you fuckin* serious too?

    The health care industry operates as a FOR PROFIT industry which is unique among first world countries.

    That means they are always trying to increase profits. Do you think this is done by continually lowering premiums.

    I am blow away everyone looks away from the insurers when they are the ones responsible for the countries health care costs! 


    The VA healthcare system isn't FOR PROFIT. How is that workin out for us?

    People will die waiting to be seen for treatable symptoms. Doctors have no real incentive to be a master at their craft. Start taking bribes and then what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Are you fuckin* serious too?

    The health care industry operates as a FOR PROFIT industry which is unique among first world countries.

    That means they are always trying to increase profits. Do you think this is done by continually lowering premiums.

    I am blow away everyone looks away from the insurers when they are the ones responsible for the countries health care costs! 


    The VA healthcare system isn't FOR PROFIT. How is that workin out for us?

    People will die waiting to be seen for treatable symptoms. Doctors have no real incentive to be a master at their craft. Start taking bribes and then what?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 12:12 AM ET #56

    It appears that GOP Senators are working secretly to pass their own version of health care bill before July 4th recess. GOP owns the majority, so Mitch McConnell can do whatever he likes to. Trump has named McConnell's wife to Secretary of Transportation, so looks like it's a cake walk for Trump to pass this one without any hurdle.    
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    It appears that GOP Senators are working secretly to pass their own version of health care bill before July 4th recess. GOP owns the majority, so Mitch McConnell can do whatever he likes to. Trump has named McConnell's wife to Secretary of Transportation, so looks like it's a cake walk for Trump to pass this one without any hurdle.    
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 3:52 PM ET #57

    Lets see 6-20____ 8-22 Two months Wonder if McCain is having problems receiving treatment? What has your Rep done for you lately......... Obama mislead the American public according to Inspector General and the Media wants to go-on-on about Trumps Travels 
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    Lets see 6-20____ 8-22 Two months Wonder if McCain is having problems receiving treatment? What has your Rep done for you lately......... Obama mislead the American public according to Inspector General and the Media wants to go-on-on about Trumps Travels 
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 8:10 PM ET #58

    Over 50 failed attempts to repeal Obamacare.  Crazy to keep repeating the same thing and expecting different results.  Since so many Americans benefit from Obamacare, they prefer it over the old healthcare system which is the worst among rich nations.

     At least Obamacare is an improvement by increasing the number of insured and quality of insurance.  Without Trump sabotage, Obamacare is sustainable according to Congress budget office and Kaiser foundation.
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    Over 50 failed attempts to repeal Obamacare.  Crazy to keep repeating the same thing and expecting different results.  Since so many Americans benefit from Obamacare, they prefer it over the old healthcare system which is the worst among rich nations.

     At least Obamacare is an improvement by increasing the number of insured and quality of insurance.  Without Trump sabotage, Obamacare is sustainable according to Congress budget office and Kaiser foundation.
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