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    Have to give Holder credit

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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2013 - 9:56 AM ET #1

    if this goes through.  way overdue although i'm sure it won't go far enough.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-holder-drug-sentencing-20130811,0,1978815.story
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    if this goes through.  way overdue although i'm sure it won't go far enough.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-holder-drug-sentencing-20130811,0,1978815.story
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2013 - 10:34 AM ET #2

    Another article:

    Senators person Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, Mike Lee, an Utah Republican, and Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, have introduced legislation aimed at giving federal judges more discretion in applying mandatory minimums to certain drug offenders.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389992/Attorney-General-orders-Justice-Department-skirt-mandatory-minimum-sentencing-rules-avoid-putting-low-level-drug-offenders-federal-prison.html

    I'd like to see legislation in this area rather than the AG acting alone as I think there would be as broader impact.

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    Another article:

    Senators person Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, Mike Lee, an Utah Republican, and Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, have introduced legislation aimed at giving federal judges more discretion in applying mandatory minimums to certain drug offenders.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389992/Attorney-General-orders-Justice-Department-skirt-mandatory-minimum-sentencing-rules-avoid-putting-low-level-drug-offenders-federal-prison.html

    I'd like to see legislation in this area rather than the AG acting alone as I think there would be as broader impact.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2013 - 12:45 PM ET #3

    Holder say's it will make our expenditures smarter and more productive,that laws like these could save the United States billions of dollars.

    ..or we could hold them to finish out their sentences ....by sending  them to a tent city jail out West,, using military surplus tents and feeding them two $0.30 meals a day ..
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    Holder say's it will make our expenditures smarter and more productive,that laws like these could save the United States billions of dollars.

    ..or we could hold them to finish out their sentences ....by sending  them to a tent city jail out West,, using military surplus tents and feeding them two $0.30 meals a day ..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2013 - 4:16 PM ET #4

    Give him credit for what?  Acting unilaterally and circumventing the law??

    WASHINGTON — In a major shift in criminal justice policy, the Obama administration will move on Monday to ease overcrowding in federal prisons by ordering prosecutors to omit listing quantities of illegal substances in indictments for low-level drug cases, sidestepping federal laws that impose strict mandatory minimum sentences for drug-related offenses.

     

    Mr. Holder will also introduce a related set of Justice Department policies that would leave more crimes to state courts to handle, increase the use of drug-treatment programs as alternatives to incarceration, and expand a program of “compassionate release” for “elderly inmates who did not commit violent crimes and have served significant portions of their sentences.”

     

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    Give him credit for what?  Acting unilaterally and circumventing the law??

    WASHINGTON — In a major shift in criminal justice policy, the Obama administration will move on Monday to ease overcrowding in federal prisons by ordering prosecutors to omit listing quantities of illegal substances in indictments for low-level drug cases, sidestepping federal laws that impose strict mandatory minimum sentences for drug-related offenses.

     

    Mr. Holder will also introduce a related set of Justice Department policies that would leave more crimes to state courts to handle, increase the use of drug-treatment programs as alternatives to incarceration, and expand a program of “compassionate release” for “elderly inmates who did not commit violent crimes and have served significant portions of their sentences.”

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AStefani:

    Give him credit for what?  Acting unilaterally and circumventing the law??

    WASHINGTON — In a major shift in criminal justice policy, the Obama administration will move on Monday to ease overcrowding in federal prisons by ordering prosecutors to omit listing quantities of illegal substances in indictments for low-level drug cases, sidestepping federal laws that impose strict mandatory minimum sentences for drug-related offenses.

     

    Mr. Holder will also introduce a related set of Justice Department policies that would leave more crimes to state courts to handle, increase the use of drug-treatment programs as alternatives to incarceration, and expand a program of “compassionate release” for “elderly inmates who did not commit violent crimes and have served significant portions of their sentences.”

     



    yes, sort of.  it's not unilateral as members of congress on both sides have mentioned this needs to be done.  but they all deserve credit for actually acting conservatively and stop with this minimum mandatory nonsense wasting time, money and resources by putting people in prison for minimum time periods for nonviolent drug offenders.
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    Give him credit for what?  Acting unilaterally and circumventing the law??

    WASHINGTON — In a major shift in criminal justice policy, the Obama administration will move on Monday to ease overcrowding in federal prisons by ordering prosecutors to omit listing quantities of illegal substances in indictments for low-level drug cases, sidestepping federal laws that impose strict mandatory minimum sentences for drug-related offenses.

     

    Mr. Holder will also introduce a related set of Justice Department policies that would leave more crimes to state courts to handle, increase the use of drug-treatment programs as alternatives to incarceration, and expand a program of “compassionate release” for “elderly inmates who did not commit violent crimes and have served significant portions of their sentences.”

     



    yes, sort of.  it's not unilateral as members of congress on both sides have mentioned this needs to be done.  but they all deserve credit for actually acting conservatively and stop with this minimum mandatory nonsense wasting time, money and resources by putting people in prison for minimum time periods for nonviolent drug offenders.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2013 - 4:52 PM ET #6

    i want to see the fine print

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    i want to see the fine print

     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2013 - 7:22 PM ET #7

    congress "mentioning" it needs to be done means nothing legally.  his actions are still unilateral.
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    congress "mentioning" it needs to be done means nothing legally.  his actions are still unilateral.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by speak2truth:

    congress "mentioning" it needs to be done means nothing legally.  his actions are still unilateral.


    i didn't want to give holder all of the credit but technically, it would have to be unilaterally because the article talks about how the US attorney's office is chaging the way it is prosecuting cases and holder is the head person in charge of that.  congress has no authority at all over how federal cases are charged and prosecuted. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by speak2truth:

    congress "mentioning" it needs to be done means nothing legally.  his actions are still unilateral.


    i didn't want to give holder all of the credit but technically, it would have to be unilaterally because the article talks about how the US attorney's office is chaging the way it is prosecuting cases and holder is the head person in charge of that.  congress has no authority at all over how federal cases are charged and prosecuted. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2013 - 11:58 PM ET #9

    Sorry CD. I looked but didn't see this and made similar thread. Lo siento.
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    Sorry CD. I looked but didn't see this and made similar thread. Lo siento.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2013 - 9:45 AM ET #10

    I hate the man, and think that he should spend the rest of his life in jail for his multiple abuses, most notably hiding behind Obama's executive privilege in the Fast and Furious debacle. 

    I hate how he openly planned to "brainwash" children against the 2nd amendment. 

    That being said, this is a good step in winding down the war on drugs that has been a losing proposition for the American taxpayers, and put a lot of young kids in jail for crimes that equate to misdemeanors.  I commend Eric Holder for doing something correct in his miserable life. 

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    I hate the man, and think that he should spend the rest of his life in jail for his multiple abuses, most notably hiding behind Obama's executive privilege in the Fast and Furious debacle. 

    I hate how he openly planned to "brainwash" children against the 2nd amendment. 

    That being said, this is a good step in winding down the war on drugs that has been a losing proposition for the American taxpayers, and put a lot of young kids in jail for crimes that equate to misdemeanors.  I commend Eric Holder for doing something correct in his miserable life. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I hate the man, and think that he should spend the rest of his life in jail for his multiple abuses, most notably hiding behind Obama's executive privilege in the Fast and Furious debacle. 

    I hate how he openly planned to "brainwash" children against the 2nd amendment. 

    That being said, this is a good step in winding down the war on drugs that has been a losing proposition for the American taxpayers, and put a lot of young kids in jail for crimes that equate to misdemeanors.  I commend Eric Holder for doing something correct in his miserable life. 

     

    And you better believe if most of those kids were white, he would make no such effort to change the laws.

     Eric "my people" Holder 

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I hate the man, and think that he should spend the rest of his life in jail for his multiple abuses, most notably hiding behind Obama's executive privilege in the Fast and Furious debacle. 

    I hate how he openly planned to "brainwash" children against the 2nd amendment. 

    That being said, this is a good step in winding down the war on drugs that has been a losing proposition for the American taxpayers, and put a lot of young kids in jail for crimes that equate to misdemeanors.  I commend Eric Holder for doing something correct in his miserable life. 

     

    And you better believe if most of those kids were white, he would make no such effort to change the laws.

     Eric "my people" Holder 

     
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    https://www.mediaite.com/online/salon-writer-asks-if-eric-holder-is-president-obamas-inner-ngger/

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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2013 - 9:01 PM ET #13

    cd, YOU are the one who said it was not unilateral, now you are saying it would have to be
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    cd, YOU are the one who said it was not unilateral, now you are saying it would have to be
     
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    Astefani may be right about if it were white ppl.
    I believe Holder and possibly Obama himself are racists.
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    Astefani may be right about if it were white ppl.
    I believe Holder and possibly Obama himself are racists.
     
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    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2013 - 9:31 PM ET #16

    Does this apply to heroin and meth??

    2 very, very addictive and life destroying drugs.

    If ANY of this happens they better use some of the savings for rehab and various treatment programs
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    Does this apply to heroin and meth??

    2 very, very addictive and life destroying drugs.

    If ANY of this happens they better use some of the savings for rehab and various treatment programs
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2013 - 10:04 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by speak2truth:

    cd, YOU are the one who said it was not unilateral, now you are saying it would have to be


    yes, the idea of eliminating these minimum madatory sentences is not holder's unilaterally.  several members of congress, D and R, have discussed this as well as holder so this is not holder's idea alone.

    however, as far as action goes, it is holder's job to tell federal prosecutors whether to enforce the minimum mandatories and how to charge cases so that they may not apply.  no one else can do that (except obama if he wanted to assert his authority over holder).

    however, congress can do things that holder can't such as changing the laws that create the minimum mandatory sentences in the first place. 
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    cd, YOU are the one who said it was not unilateral, now you are saying it would have to be


    yes, the idea of eliminating these minimum madatory sentences is not holder's unilaterally.  several members of congress, D and R, have discussed this as well as holder so this is not holder's idea alone.

    however, as far as action goes, it is holder's job to tell federal prosecutors whether to enforce the minimum mandatories and how to charge cases so that they may not apply.  no one else can do that (except obama if he wanted to assert his authority over holder).

    however, congress can do things that holder can't such as changing the laws that create the minimum mandatory sentences in the first place. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2013 - 11:09 AM ET #18

    yeah, holder is going to get right on this. 


    https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2013/08/financial-meltdown-prosecutions-against-elite-actors-file-them-under-ill-believe-it-when-i-see-it.html
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    yeah, holder is going to get right on this. 


    https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2013/08/financial-meltdown-prosecutions-against-elite-actors-file-them-under-ill-believe-it-when-i-see-it.html
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2013 - 11:50 AM ET #19

    I'm starting to think this is all bluster.

    How, for example, can a federal prosecutor bring a case into court and not tell the judge how much substance they have? How can you even get an indictment?

    This functionally poses big problems.
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    I'm starting to think this is all bluster.

    How, for example, can a federal prosecutor bring a case into court and not tell the judge how much substance they have? How can you even get an indictment?

    This functionally poses big problems.
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