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    Double your money betting Trump is nuts

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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2016 - 7:36 PM ET #26

    Omg it is refreshing to read an intelligent thread by gamblers rather than biased partisan lemmings trying to sell misinformation and fantasy.   Gamblers can unite around trying to make money,  making good bets, buying in at good odds and trying to bury the house. 

    Not sure why the partisan hacks are so against this. 

    It like we are all standing around the craps table raking it in because the shooter is on fire.  Everyone is putting money down and cheering because their bets are cashing.  Everyone except for the bitter, petty, loser that can't take it that everyone is happy and making money and his "no pass bet" he keeps making keeps losing. 

    Pathetic 
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    Omg it is refreshing to read an intelligent thread by gamblers rather than biased partisan lemmings trying to sell misinformation and fantasy.   Gamblers can unite around trying to make money,  making good bets, buying in at good odds and trying to bury the house. 

    Not sure why the partisan hacks are so against this. 

    It like we are all standing around the craps table raking it in because the shooter is on fire.  Everyone is putting money down and cheering because their bets are cashing.  Everyone except for the bitter, petty, loser that can't take it that everyone is happy and making money and his "no pass bet" he keeps making keeps losing. 

    Pathetic 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2016 - 7:38 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:





    I've got about $750 in bets............Hillary straight up
      *I offered odds of course...........

    I just mention....Trump will NOT win......and they lay in on me....."why do you like Hillary so much?!".........
     
    >> "OKEY DOKEY.... .wanna bet ?.....>>  oh helll yea I'll bet ya' !.....Trump is gonna destroy the beotch !!..................
          *same guys wonder why they can't win betting CFB....

    Lol...

    Seems so true... you either are a gambler and know what you're doing, making logical and intelligent bets based on good information and reality or...  
    you're not that ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:





    I've got about $750 in bets............Hillary straight up
      *I offered odds of course...........

    I just mention....Trump will NOT win......and they lay in on me....."why do you like Hillary so much?!".........
     
    >> "OKEY DOKEY.... .wanna bet ?.....>>  oh helll yea I'll bet ya' !.....Trump is gonna destroy the beotch !!..................
          *same guys wonder why they can't win betting CFB....

    Lol...

    Seems so true... you either are a gambler and know what you're doing, making logical and intelligent bets based on good information and reality or...  
    you're not that ....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2016 - 9:10 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:




    That's all well and good ,,except that does not answer my question about where is your proof that enraged/angry people are in the minority and that their side will lose. ..if all you have to back this up is your opinion so be it ..nevertheless it doesn't make it fact.. ...

    Again,,those bold marks above are just opinions..Your reason on why Trump loses and Hillary wins :

    1.) Trump is an amateurish clown.
    2.) Hillary is way ahead and will win easily..

    Just more preconceived opinions ...


    ,,,and from what was stated in post #28  "opinions  lose money when you bet".



    1. he's run a amateurish campaign.
    2. he's getting killed in the polls.
    3. these are not opinions that can be debated. these are facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:




    That's all well and good ,,except that does not answer my question about where is your proof that enraged/angry people are in the minority and that their side will lose. ..if all you have to back this up is your opinion so be it ..nevertheless it doesn't make it fact.. ...

    Again,,those bold marks above are just opinions..Your reason on why Trump loses and Hillary wins :

    1.) Trump is an amateurish clown.
    2.) Hillary is way ahead and will win easily..

    Just more preconceived opinions ...


    ,,,and from what was stated in post #28  "opinions  lose money when you bet".



    1. he's run a amateurish campaign.
    2. he's getting killed in the polls.
    3. these are not opinions that can be debated. these are facts.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2016 - 9:14 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by lordzud:



    I like this statement for a number of reasons. I have made far more lucrative bets on politics than I have betting on sports. I too can't stand Trump but that is immaterial from a betting standpoint. I bet on him between the Wisconsin and New York primaries in one of the best bets I have ever made and I have made thousands of bets on sports. The odds were near 50/50 just because Cruz had one the Wisconsin primary. I knew Trumps home state New York was next and Trump would go back to easily beating Cruz, which he did. 

    Unfortunately great betting opportunities in the election cycle are not very frequent but they are out there. The bet I suggested to begin this thread is a long shot bet that has value. The odds are now at +190 at 5dimes for Hillary to win more than 369.5 electoral votes. She needs to win a couple of red states to cover this number, specifically Georgia and Missouri. If the election were to be tomorrow I would lose my bet. But with each passing week since the crazy "grab them by the kitty" comment Hilary's lead has grown and the odds of her winning over 369.5 votes is growing more likely.


    Trump is trying to get back in the race, he has nothing to lose by hammering Hillary with whatever conspiracies he thinks will be believed. Will he win or lose votes with this super aggressive strategy? I betting he keeps his base but loses the undecided voters by getting more and more unbelievably conspiratorial. 

    Opinions lose money when you bet, we call that homer betting. The reason political bets are profitable is because damn near everybody is a homer bettor. There isn't shrewd cappers in Las Vegas sitting the lines, they are set by the marketplace which is very emotional and biased.



    yes. the lines are set by the marketplace and in the case of presidential politics it's almost all emotion. if you check out the Princeton Election site by Sam Wang, he has contended all along that this is one of the most stable races probability-wise in history. He has her as a 97% favorite at this point. Wang has a very solid track record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordzud:



    I like this statement for a number of reasons. I have made far more lucrative bets on politics than I have betting on sports. I too can't stand Trump but that is immaterial from a betting standpoint. I bet on him between the Wisconsin and New York primaries in one of the best bets I have ever made and I have made thousands of bets on sports. The odds were near 50/50 just because Cruz had one the Wisconsin primary. I knew Trumps home state New York was next and Trump would go back to easily beating Cruz, which he did. 

    Unfortunately great betting opportunities in the election cycle are not very frequent but they are out there. The bet I suggested to begin this thread is a long shot bet that has value. The odds are now at +190 at 5dimes for Hillary to win more than 369.5 electoral votes. She needs to win a couple of red states to cover this number, specifically Georgia and Missouri. If the election were to be tomorrow I would lose my bet. But with each passing week since the crazy "grab them by the kitty" comment Hilary's lead has grown and the odds of her winning over 369.5 votes is growing more likely.


    Trump is trying to get back in the race, he has nothing to lose by hammering Hillary with whatever conspiracies he thinks will be believed. Will he win or lose votes with this super aggressive strategy? I betting he keeps his base but loses the undecided voters by getting more and more unbelievably conspiratorial. 

    Opinions lose money when you bet, we call that homer betting. The reason political bets are profitable is because damn near everybody is a homer bettor. There isn't shrewd cappers in Las Vegas sitting the lines, they are set by the marketplace which is very emotional and biased.



    yes. the lines are set by the marketplace and in the case of presidential politics it's almost all emotion. if you check out the Princeton Election site by Sam Wang, he has contended all along that this is one of the most stable races probability-wise in history. He has her as a 97% favorite at this point. Wang has a very solid track record.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2016 - 11:10 PM ET #30

    Trump - things you don't know about him
     

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    Thankfully, at least, he’s waking some of the RHINOs up. 
     
    The criticisms of Trump are amazingly? missing something.  They are? lacking in ?negative stories from those who work for him or have had business dealings with him.  After all the employees he’s had and all the business deals he’s made there is a void of criticism.  In fact, long term employees call him a strong and merciful leader and say he is far more righteous and of high integrity? than people may think? and while it may surprise many, he’s actually humble when it comes to his generosity and kindness. 
     
    A good example is a story that tells of his limo breaking down on a deserted highway outside of New York City.  A middle-aged couple stopped to help him and as a thank you he paid off their mortgage, but he didn’t brag about that.  Generous and good people rarely talk of charity they bestow on others. 
     
    ?But as much as all this is interesting, the real thing that people want to know is what Donald Trump’s plan is for America. 
     
    It’s funny how so many people say they don’t know what it is, or they act like Trump is hiding it.  The information is readily available if people would just do a little homework.  But, since most Americans won't do their own research, here, in no particular order, is an overview of many of Trumps positions and plans:
     
    1.) Trump believes that America should not intervene militarily in other country’s problems without being compensated for doing so.  If America is going to risk the lives of our soldiers and incur the expense of going to war, then the nations we help must be willing to pay for our help.  Using the Iraq War as an example, he cites the huge monetary expense to American taxpayers (over $1.5 trillion, and possibly much more depending on what sources are used to determine the cost) in addition to the cost in human life.  He suggests that Iraq should have been required to give us enough of their oil to pay for the expenses we incurred.  He includes in those expenses the medical costs for our military and $5 million for each family that lost a loved one in the war and $2 million for each family of soldiers who received severe injuries.
     
    2.) Speaking of the military, Trump wants America to have a strong military again.  He believes the single most important function of the federal government is national defense.  He has said he wants to find the General Patton or General MacArthur that could lead our military buildup back to the strength it needs to be.  While he hasn’t said it directly that I know of, Trump’s attitude about America and about winning tells me he’d most likely be quick to eliminate rules of engagement that handicap our military in battle.  Clearly Trump is a “win at all costs” kind of guy, and I’m sure that would apply to our national defense and security, too.
     
    3.) Trump wants a strong foreign policy and believes that it must include 7 core principles (which seem to support my comment in the last point):
    · American interests come first.  Always.  No apologies.  Maximum firepower and military preparedness.
    · Only go to war to win.
    · Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies.
    · Keep the technological sword razor sharp.
    · See the unseen.  Prepare for threats before they materialize.
    · Respect and support our present and past warriors.
     
    4.) Trump believes that terrorists who are captured should be treated as military combatants, not as criminals like the Obama administration treats them.
     

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    Trump - things you don't know about him
     

    ?
    Thankfully, at least, he’s waking some of the RHINOs up. 
     
    The criticisms of Trump are amazingly? missing something.  They are? lacking in ?negative stories from those who work for him or have had business dealings with him.  After all the employees he’s had and all the business deals he’s made there is a void of criticism.  In fact, long term employees call him a strong and merciful leader and say he is far more righteous and of high integrity? than people may think? and while it may surprise many, he’s actually humble when it comes to his generosity and kindness. 
     
    A good example is a story that tells of his limo breaking down on a deserted highway outside of New York City.  A middle-aged couple stopped to help him and as a thank you he paid off their mortgage, but he didn’t brag about that.  Generous and good people rarely talk of charity they bestow on others. 
     
    ?But as much as all this is interesting, the real thing that people want to know is what Donald Trump’s plan is for America. 
     
    It’s funny how so many people say they don’t know what it is, or they act like Trump is hiding it.  The information is readily available if people would just do a little homework.  But, since most Americans won't do their own research, here, in no particular order, is an overview of many of Trumps positions and plans:
     
    1.) Trump believes that America should not intervene militarily in other country’s problems without being compensated for doing so.  If America is going to risk the lives of our soldiers and incur the expense of going to war, then the nations we help must be willing to pay for our help.  Using the Iraq War as an example, he cites the huge monetary expense to American taxpayers (over $1.5 trillion, and possibly much more depending on what sources are used to determine the cost) in addition to the cost in human life.  He suggests that Iraq should have been required to give us enough of their oil to pay for the expenses we incurred.  He includes in those expenses the medical costs for our military and $5 million for each family that lost a loved one in the war and $2 million for each family of soldiers who received severe injuries.
     
    2.) Speaking of the military, Trump wants America to have a strong military again.  He believes the single most important function of the federal government is national defense.  He has said he wants to find the General Patton or General MacArthur that could lead our military buildup back to the strength it needs to be.  While he hasn’t said it directly that I know of, Trump’s attitude about America and about winning tells me he’d most likely be quick to eliminate rules of engagement that handicap our military in battle.  Clearly Trump is a “win at all costs” kind of guy, and I’m sure that would apply to our national defense and security, too.
     
    3.) Trump wants a strong foreign policy and believes that it must include 7 core principles (which seem to support my comment in the last point):
    · American interests come first.  Always.  No apologies.  Maximum firepower and military preparedness.
    · Only go to war to win.
    · Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies.
    · Keep the technological sword razor sharp.
    · See the unseen.  Prepare for threats before they materialize.
    · Respect and support our present and past warriors.
     
    4.) Trump believes that terrorists who are captured should be treated as military combatants, not as criminals like the Obama administration treats them.
     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2016 - 11:11 PM ET #31

    5.) Trump makes the point that China’s manipulation of their currency has given them unfair advantage in our trade dealings with them.  He says we must tax their imports to offset their currency manipulation, which will cause American companies to be competitive again and drive manufacturing back to America and create jobs here.  Although he sees China as the biggest offender, he believes that America should protect itself from all foreign efforts to take our jobs and manufacturing.  For example, Ford is building a plant in Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S., once again creating jobs here.
     
    6.) Trump wants passage of NOPEC legislation (No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act – NOPEC – S.394), which would allow the government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws.  According to Trump, that would break up the cartel.  He also wants to unleash our energy companies to drill domestically (sound like Sarah Palin’s drill baby, drill?) thereby increasing domestic production creating jobs and driving domestic costs of oil and gas down while reducing dependence on foreign oil.
     
    7.) Trump believes a secure border is critical for both security and prosperity in America.  He wants to build a wall to stop illegals from entering and put controls on immigration.  (And he says he’ll get Mexico to pay for the wall, which many have scoffed at, but given his business successes I wouldn’t put it past him.)  He also wants to enforce our immigration laws and provide no path to citizenship for illegals.
     
    8.) Trump wants a radical change to the tax system to not only make it better for average Americans, but also to encourage businesses to stay here and foreign businesses to move here.  The resulting influx of money to our nation would do wonders for our economy.  He wants to make America the place to do business.  He also wants to lower the death tax and the taxes on capital gains and dividends.  This would put more than $1.6 trillion back into the economy and help rebuild the 1.5 million jobs we’ve lost to the current tax system.  He also wants to charge companies who outsource jobs overseas a 20% tax, but for those willing to move jobs back to America they would not be taxed.  And for citizens he has a tax plan that would allow Americans to keep more of what they earn and spark economic growth.  He wants to change the personal income tax to:
    · Up to $30,000 taxed at 1%
    · From $30,000 to $100,000 taxed at 5%
    · From $100,000 to $1,000,000 taxed at 10%
    · $1,000,000 and above taxed at 15%
     

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    5.) Trump makes the point that China’s manipulation of their currency has given them unfair advantage in our trade dealings with them.  He says we must tax their imports to offset their currency manipulation, which will cause American companies to be competitive again and drive manufacturing back to America and create jobs here.  Although he sees China as the biggest offender, he believes that America should protect itself from all foreign efforts to take our jobs and manufacturing.  For example, Ford is building a plant in Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S., once again creating jobs here.
     
    6.) Trump wants passage of NOPEC legislation (No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act – NOPEC – S.394), which would allow the government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws.  According to Trump, that would break up the cartel.  He also wants to unleash our energy companies to drill domestically (sound like Sarah Palin’s drill baby, drill?) thereby increasing domestic production creating jobs and driving domestic costs of oil and gas down while reducing dependence on foreign oil.
     
    7.) Trump believes a secure border is critical for both security and prosperity in America.  He wants to build a wall to stop illegals from entering and put controls on immigration.  (And he says he’ll get Mexico to pay for the wall, which many have scoffed at, but given his business successes I wouldn’t put it past him.)  He also wants to enforce our immigration laws and provide no path to citizenship for illegals.
     
    8.) Trump wants a radical change to the tax system to not only make it better for average Americans, but also to encourage businesses to stay here and foreign businesses to move here.  The resulting influx of money to our nation would do wonders for our economy.  He wants to make America the place to do business.  He also wants to lower the death tax and the taxes on capital gains and dividends.  This would put more than $1.6 trillion back into the economy and help rebuild the 1.5 million jobs we’ve lost to the current tax system.  He also wants to charge companies who outsource jobs overseas a 20% tax, but for those willing to move jobs back to America they would not be taxed.  And for citizens he has a tax plan that would allow Americans to keep more of what they earn and spark economic growth.  He wants to change the personal income tax to:
    · Up to $30,000 taxed at 1%
    · From $30,000 to $100,000 taxed at 5%
    · From $100,000 to $1,000,000 taxed at 10%
    · $1,000,000 and above taxed at 15%
     

     
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    9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed.  He says it’s a “job-killing, health care-destroying monstrosity” that “can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed.”  He believes in allowing real competition in the health insurance marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down.  He also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and lower costs.
     
    10.) Trump wants spending reforms in Washington, acknowledging that America spends far more than it receives in revenue.  He has said he believes that if we don’t stop increasing the national debt once it hits $24 trillion it will be impossible to save this country.
     
    11.) Even though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security.  He believes that the citizens have faithfully paid in to the system to have these services available and that the American government has an obligation to fulfill its end of the bargain and provide those benefits.  Therefore, he wants to build the economy up so that we have the revenue to pay those costs without cutting the benefits to the recipients.  He disagrees with Democrats who think raising taxes is the answer and says that when you do that you stifle the economy.  On the other hand, when you lower taxes and create an environment to help businesses they will grow, hire more workers, and those new workers will be paying taxes that become more tax revenue for the government.
     
    12.) Trump also wants reform of the welfare state saying that America needs “a safety net, not a hammock.”  He believes in a welfare to work program that would help reduce the welfare roles and encourage people to get back to work.  And he wants a crackdown on entitlement fraud.
     
    13.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax.
     
    14.) Trump opposes Common Core.
     
    15.) Trump is pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to rape, incest, or the life of the mother.
     
    16.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment rights.
     
    17.) Trump’s view on same-sex marriage is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but he also believes that this is a states’ rights issue, not a federal issue.
     
    18.) Trump supports the death penalty.  Trump believes that there is a lack of common sense, innovative thinking in Washington (Hmmm… looks like he believes in horse sense!).  He says it’s about seeing the unseen and that’s the kind of thinking we need to turn this country around.  He tells a personal story to illustrate the point: “When I opened Trump National Golf Club at Rancho Palos Verdes in Los Angeles, I was immediately told that I would need to build a new and costly ballroom.  The current ballroom was gorgeous, but it only sat 200 people and we were losing business because people needed a larger space for their events.  Building a new ballroom would take years to get approval and permits (since it’s on the Pacific Ocean), and cost about $5 million.  I took one look at the ballroom and saw immediately what needed to be done.  The problem wasn’t the size of the room, it was the size of the chairs.  They were huge, heavy, and unwieldy.  We didn’t need a bigger ballroom, we needed smaller chairs!  So I had them replaced with high-end, smaller chairs.  I then had our people sell the old chairs and got more money for them than the cost of the new chairs.  In the end, the ballroom went from seating 200 people to seating 320 people.  Our visitors got the space they desired, and I spared everyone the hassle of years of construction and $5 million of expense.  It’s amazing what you can accomplish with a little common sense.”  On top of his saving years of construction and $5 million in expenses, he also was able to keep the ballroom open for business during the time it would have been under remodeling, which allowed him to continue to make money on the space instead of losing that revenue during construction time.
     
    Donald Trump’s entire life has been made up of success and winning.  He’s been accused of bankruptcies, but that’s not true.  He’s never filed personal bankruptcy.  He’s bought companies and legally used bankruptcy laws to restructure their debt, just as businesses do all the time.  But he’s never been bankrupt personally.  He’s a fighter that clearly loves America and would fight for our nation.  Earlier I quoted Trump saying, “I love America.  And when you love something, you protect it passionately – fiercely, even.”  We never hear that from Democrats or even from most Republicans.  Donald Trump is saying things that desperately need to be said but no other candidate has shown the fortitude to stand up and say them.  Looking over this list of what he wants for America I see a very necessary set of goals that are long past due.  Before we criticize someone because the media does, maybe we should seriously consider what he has to offer.
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    9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed.  He says it’s a “job-killing, health care-destroying monstrosity” that “can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed.”  He believes in allowing real competition in the health insurance marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down.  He also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and lower costs.
     
    10.) Trump wants spending reforms in Washington, acknowledging that America spends far more than it receives in revenue.  He has said he believes that if we don’t stop increasing the national debt once it hits $24 trillion it will be impossible to save this country.
     
    11.) Even though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security.  He believes that the citizens have faithfully paid in to the system to have these services available and that the American government has an obligation to fulfill its end of the bargain and provide those benefits.  Therefore, he wants to build the economy up so that we have the revenue to pay those costs without cutting the benefits to the recipients.  He disagrees with Democrats who think raising taxes is the answer and says that when you do that you stifle the economy.  On the other hand, when you lower taxes and create an environment to help businesses they will grow, hire more workers, and those new workers will be paying taxes that become more tax revenue for the government.
     
    12.) Trump also wants reform of the welfare state saying that America needs “a safety net, not a hammock.”  He believes in a welfare to work program that would help reduce the welfare roles and encourage people to get back to work.  And he wants a crackdown on entitlement fraud.
     
    13.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax.
     
    14.) Trump opposes Common Core.
     
    15.) Trump is pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to rape, incest, or the life of the mother.
     
    16.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment rights.
     
    17.) Trump’s view on same-sex marriage is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but he also believes that this is a states’ rights issue, not a federal issue.
     
    18.) Trump supports the death penalty.  Trump believes that there is a lack of common sense, innovative thinking in Washington (Hmmm… looks like he believes in horse sense!).  He says it’s about seeing the unseen and that’s the kind of thinking we need to turn this country around.  He tells a personal story to illustrate the point: “When I opened Trump National Golf Club at Rancho Palos Verdes in Los Angeles, I was immediately told that I would need to build a new and costly ballroom.  The current ballroom was gorgeous, but it only sat 200 people and we were losing business because people needed a larger space for their events.  Building a new ballroom would take years to get approval and permits (since it’s on the Pacific Ocean), and cost about $5 million.  I took one look at the ballroom and saw immediately what needed to be done.  The problem wasn’t the size of the room, it was the size of the chairs.  They were huge, heavy, and unwieldy.  We didn’t need a bigger ballroom, we needed smaller chairs!  So I had them replaced with high-end, smaller chairs.  I then had our people sell the old chairs and got more money for them than the cost of the new chairs.  In the end, the ballroom went from seating 200 people to seating 320 people.  Our visitors got the space they desired, and I spared everyone the hassle of years of construction and $5 million of expense.  It’s amazing what you can accomplish with a little common sense.”  On top of his saving years of construction and $5 million in expenses, he also was able to keep the ballroom open for business during the time it would have been under remodeling, which allowed him to continue to make money on the space instead of losing that revenue during construction time.
     
    Donald Trump’s entire life has been made up of success and winning.  He’s been accused of bankruptcies, but that’s not true.  He’s never filed personal bankruptcy.  He’s bought companies and legally used bankruptcy laws to restructure their debt, just as businesses do all the time.  But he’s never been bankrupt personally.  He’s a fighter that clearly loves America and would fight for our nation.  Earlier I quoted Trump saying, “I love America.  And when you love something, you protect it passionately – fiercely, even.”  We never hear that from Democrats or even from most Republicans.  Donald Trump is saying things that desperately need to be said but no other candidate has shown the fortitude to stand up and say them.  Looking over this list of what he wants for America I see a very necessary set of goals that are long past due.  Before we criticize someone because the media does, maybe we should seriously consider what he has to offer.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    1. he's run a amateurish campaign.   ( opinion ) Donald Trump got the most votes in the history of the Republican Party primary system..Shattered the previous GOP primary vote record by almost 2 million votes.

    2. he's getting killed in the polls.   Killed ?  Behind yes.  But getting killed,, as you know ..getting killed is what U of M did to Rutgers two weeks ago..

    3. these are not opinions that can be debated. these are facts.



    Getting back to your original statements ...that you claim are facts..

    1.) Trump is a clearly an amateurish clown and completely unfit to be president,  ( not a fact ..your perception)

    2.) She's way ahead and will win easily. (  also not a fact ,but conjecture)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    1. he's run a amateurish campaign.   ( opinion ) Donald Trump got the most votes in the history of the Republican Party primary system..Shattered the previous GOP primary vote record by almost 2 million votes.

    2. he's getting killed in the polls.   Killed ?  Behind yes.  But getting killed,, as you know ..getting killed is what U of M did to Rutgers two weeks ago..

    3. these are not opinions that can be debated. these are facts.



    Getting back to your original statements ...that you claim are facts..

    1.) Trump is a clearly an amateurish clown and completely unfit to be president,  ( not a fact ..your perception)

    2.) She's way ahead and will win easily. (  also not a fact ,but conjecture)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    1. he's run a amateurish campaign.
    2. he's getting killed in the polls.
    3. these are not opinions that can be debated. these are facts.

    It's nice to get some facts on trump rather than propaganda 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    1. he's run a amateurish campaign.
    2. he's getting killed in the polls.
    3. these are not opinions that can be debated. these are facts.

    It's nice to get some facts on trump rather than propaganda 
     
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    A late surge of bets have been placed Donald Trump  ahead of the final presidential debate on Wednesday.

    William Hill’s latest figures show that 65% of bets on the market have been placed on Trump with the remaining 35% placed on Clinton.

    Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe said, “It may be because the race has reached a level now where people thought it might be worth taking a chance, or just as with the E.U. referendum, people just don’t believe the opinion polls.”
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    A late surge of bets have been placed Donald Trump  ahead of the final presidential debate on Wednesday.

    William Hill’s latest figures show that 65% of bets on the market have been placed on Trump with the remaining 35% placed on Clinton.

    Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe said, “It may be because the race has reached a level now where people thought it might be worth taking a chance, or just as with the E.U. referendum, people just don’t believe the opinion polls.”
     
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    The USC Dornsife/LA Times Presidential Election "Daybreak" Poll has Trump at 44.4 and Hillary at 43.8...
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    The USC Dornsife/LA Times Presidential Election "Daybreak" Poll has Trump at 44.4 and Hillary at 43.8...
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordzud:

    My over under on how many women come forward and proclaim "He....sob......he took liberties with me. He reached up my skirt and fondled the holy of holies." is 24. The number now is at 12 and rises daily. 


    Over under fondled Trump women is 24. I would bet the over if this bet was out there.  

    Personally I would love to see Alec Baldwin play Donald Trump in the movie Donald Trump, Prison Biatch. The movie starts out with The Donald convicted of fondling Miss Teen Georgia of 2008. The little strumpet was only 16 at the time so off he goes to the big house. He is constantly getting his hair disheveled by other inmates. He is goosed about 5 times an hour. He is constantly yelling "Stop it I will sue you." 




    Trump ofcourse said that everyone of them were liars. It's like being s little pregnant in my mind.  You either believe that every single woman is lying or that trump is basically a sex offender.  The lock her up slogan seems more and more ironic every day 
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordzud:

    My over under on how many women come forward and proclaim "He....sob......he took liberties with me. He reached up my skirt and fondled the holy of holies." is 24. The number now is at 12 and rises daily. 


    Over under fondled Trump women is 24. I would bet the over if this bet was out there.  

    Personally I would love to see Alec Baldwin play Donald Trump in the movie Donald Trump, Prison Biatch. The movie starts out with The Donald convicted of fondling Miss Teen Georgia of 2008. The little strumpet was only 16 at the time so off he goes to the big house. He is constantly getting his hair disheveled by other inmates. He is goosed about 5 times an hour. He is constantly yelling "Stop it I will sue you." 




    Trump ofcourse said that everyone of them were liars. It's like being s little pregnant in my mind.  You either believe that every single woman is lying or that trump is basically a sex offender.  The lock her up slogan seems more and more ironic every day 
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