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Posted: Jul. 31, 2018 - 4:32 PM ET #1

Complicity, conspiracy, deceit, graft,scam, bunco, cahoots, connivance, craft,dodge, flimflam, plot, scheme &  collabaration are a few syonyms for collusion.

Collusion is not a crime in itself but conspiracy sure is. 

I think Mueller may have received all he needed from Gates to put Manafort away for the rest of his life. While Manafort was doing busines in the Ukraine, Gates was handling the US operation of their partnership. 

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Complicity, conspiracy, deceit, graft,scam, bunco, cahoots, connivance, craft,dodge, flimflam, plot, scheme &  collabaration are a few syonyms for collusion.

Collusion is not a crime in itself but conspiracy sure is. 

I think Mueller may have received all he needed from Gates to put Manafort away for the rest of his life. While Manafort was doing busines in the Ukraine, Gates was handling the US operation of their partnership. 

 
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Can Trump pardon Manafort? 

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As far as I know, yes

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Yes faceoff i should have clarified that..if convicted. 


From what i gather Manfort is guilty of some of the offenses levelled at him but we shall see. The offenses not related to Russian election meddling, more to do with tax fraud and evasion. 

My take is Mueller thinks Manafort has info related to Trump/Russia and the prospect of spending years in a cell would compel Manafort to flip. Don't see it happening but...who knows. The collusion Witch Hunt is coming up empty, so Mueller is throwing his weight around hoping to find anything that connects Trump to Russian meddling.
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Yes faceoff i should have clarified that..if convicted. 


From what i gather Manfort is guilty of some of the offenses levelled at him but we shall see. The offenses not related to Russian election meddling, more to do with tax fraud and evasion. 

My take is Mueller thinks Manafort has info related to Trump/Russia and the prospect of spending years in a cell would compel Manafort to flip. Don't see it happening but...who knows. The collusion Witch Hunt is coming up empty, so Mueller is throwing his weight around hoping to find anything that connects Trump to Russian meddling.
 
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All of Trumpos family/people finna go to Prison or Flip like burning pancakes ...

The  Don Jr indictment might cause don to spontaneous combust 


Praying he just resigns before this gets bigly badddd ..

The worst public defender in America would tell you to SHUT UP while under some yocal local hayseed investigation ..
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All of Trumpos family/people finna go to Prison or Flip like burning pancakes ...

The  Don Jr indictment might cause don to spontaneous combust 


Praying he just resigns before this gets bigly badddd ..

The worst public defender in America would tell you to SHUT UP while under some yocal local hayseed investigation ..
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TREASON Trump is dealing with 

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Good luck TRAITOR VS  the combined forces of all the US agencies 


 
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Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:

SO DUMP'S ENDLESS "NO COLLUSION" IS NOW "COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME"!!!!!!an_roll_laugh

col·lu·sion
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  1. secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
    "the armed forces were working in collusion with drug traffickers"
      READY 

    ITS MUELLER TIME 
    ......


    COHEN HAS HOW MANY RECORDINGS ????



    FINNA BE THE FIRST 48 , SLOWED DOWN LIKE THE MATRIX ( FBI/CIA/IRS) VS A LIFE TIME CON ARTIST SNAKE  



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    SO DUMP'S ENDLESS "NO COLLUSION" IS NOW "COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME"!!!!!!an_roll_laugh

    col·lu·sion
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    1. secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
      "the armed forces were working in collusion with drug traffickers"
        READY 

      ITS MUELLER TIME 
      ......


      COHEN HAS HOW MANY RECORDINGS ????



      FINNA BE THE FIRST 48 , SLOWED DOWN LIKE THE MATRIX ( FBI/CIA/IRS) VS A LIFE TIME CON ARTIST SNAKE  



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by faceoff:

    He will not pardon until after the hearings... He is just allowing the Dums more chances to hang themselves... Everything the Dums have put forth has been ''possible'' ''maybe'' ''conjecture'' and ''heresay''...

    Mueller is loaded for bear & a paper trail of crimes are the easiest to prosecute. There is no possible tax evasion; they have proof he didn't pay taxes. There is no conjecture on money laundering; they have the bank statements as well as the bankers & accountants involved.

    faceoff---you are pretty clueless on this topic. They have Manafort by the short hairs. Why come into a thread with total BS when the facts totally refute your statements?

    Dumb dumb dumb

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    Quote Originally Posted by faceoff:

    He will not pardon until after the hearings... He is just allowing the Dums more chances to hang themselves... Everything the Dums have put forth has been ''possible'' ''maybe'' ''conjecture'' and ''heresay''...

    Mueller is loaded for bear & a paper trail of crimes are the easiest to prosecute. There is no possible tax evasion; they have proof he didn't pay taxes. There is no conjecture on money laundering; they have the bank statements as well as the bankers & accountants involved.

    faceoff---you are pretty clueless on this topic. They have Manafort by the short hairs. Why come into a thread with total BS when the facts totally refute your statements?

    Dumb dumb dumb

     
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    I don't see any collusion here..although Mueller sure has him by the short and curlies ...by a personal purchase of a $15,000 custom-made jacket made from an ostrich...

    Mueller's got you on this one Manafort ..you are going down..
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    I don't see any collusion here..although Mueller sure has him by the short and curlies ...by a personal purchase of a $15,000 custom-made jacket made from an ostrich...

    Mueller's got you on this one Manafort ..you are going down..
     
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    Tax evasion will get you a few years at best. These political hacks have him facing 300 years. Mueller is an incompetent fool who is part of the Clinton machine. Don’t be surprised if Manafort gets away and bulldog face Mueller leaves Washington with his tail between his legs.

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    Tax evasion will get you a few years at best. These political hacks have him facing 300 years. Mueller is an incompetent fool who is part of the Clinton machine. Don’t be surprised if Manafort gets away and bulldog face Mueller leaves Washington with his tail between his legs.

     
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    These charges are 10 years before Trump and have nothing to do with Trumps campaign. Don’t let any facts get in the way of you Never Trumpers 
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    Drain the swamp BABY 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    I don't see any collusion here..although Mueller sure has him by the short and curlies ...by a personal purchase of a $15,000 custom-made jacket made from an ostrich...

    Mueller's got you on this one Manafort ..you are going down..


    Funny how this info was so important to faux news ...

    Do you want to bet MANAFORT FLIPS ??? and or Mueller will drop bombs ( again) ???
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    I don't see any collusion here..although Mueller sure has him by the short and curlies ...by a personal purchase of a $15,000 custom-made jacket made from an ostrich...

    Mueller's got you on this one Manafort ..you are going down..


    Funny how this info was so important to faux news ...

    Do you want to bet MANAFORT FLIPS ??? and or Mueller will drop bombs ( again) ???
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:



    Funny how this info was so important to faux news ...

    Do you want to bet MANAFORT FLIPS ??? and or Mueller will drop bombs ( again) ???

    I keep hearing...'If Manafort flips'  what is he going to flip ?

    Is that suppose to mean he will turn over evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia..or what?
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    Funny how this info was so important to faux news ...

    Do you want to bet MANAFORT FLIPS ??? and or Mueller will drop bombs ( again) ???

    I keep hearing...'If Manafort flips'  what is he going to flip ?

    Is that suppose to mean he will turn over evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia..or what?
     
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    There is nothing to flip. These charges are way way way before our President. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    There is nothing to flip. These charges are way way way before our President. 

    That's right... First it was General Flynn is going to flip ,then it was fmr. campaign adviser Georage Papadopoulos was going to flip,then  Trump's campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page was going to flip...now it's Manafort is going to flip..the left has flip phobia...they don't understand there is nothing there for them to flip..

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    There is nothing to flip. These charges are way way way before our President. 

    That's right... First it was General Flynn is going to flip ,then it was fmr. campaign adviser Georage Papadopoulos was going to flip,then  Trump's campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page was going to flip...now it's Manafort is going to flip..the left has flip phobia...they don't understand there is nothing there for them to flip..

     
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    Ha! That's funny. For a guy that hasn't done anything wrong, Trump has sure been talking & acting like a desperate...& guilty man. They'll probably only get Manafort on a portion of the charges & wouldn't be surprised if Trump did pardon him.

    In the end, Trump will wish to God he never decided to run for potus. Like almost all the tragic Shakespearean figures, his extreme narcissism & personal/character flaws will be what brings him down bringing shame and disgrace on him & his family. In the end, he & his eldest sons will be fortunate to stay out of prison & the repubs who stuck by him will suffer as well as the GOP for years. 

    He's gotten away with everything his whole life using the courts, his $ & high powered lawyers but this is another ballgame & he's never faced a guy like Mueller. Not quite like bringing an anti-trust suit vs the NFL to try to force a merger & winning and being awarded $1 as he destroyed the USFL, but pretty much the same arrogant, bully & type of cancer he spreads.


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    Ha! That's funny. For a guy that hasn't done anything wrong, Trump has sure been talking & acting like a desperate...& guilty man. They'll probably only get Manafort on a portion of the charges & wouldn't be surprised if Trump did pardon him.

    In the end, Trump will wish to God he never decided to run for potus. Like almost all the tragic Shakespearean figures, his extreme narcissism & personal/character flaws will be what brings him down bringing shame and disgrace on him & his family. In the end, he & his eldest sons will be fortunate to stay out of prison & the repubs who stuck by him will suffer as well as the GOP for years. 

    He's gotten away with everything his whole life using the courts, his $ & high powered lawyers but this is another ballgame & he's never faced a guy like Mueller. Not quite like bringing an anti-trust suit vs the NFL to try to force a merger & winning and being awarded $1 as he destroyed the USFL, but pretty much the same arrogant, bully & type of cancer he spreads.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Mueller is loaded for bear & a paper trail of crimes are the easiest to prosecute. There is no possible tax evasion; they have proof he didn't pay taxes. There is no conjecture on money laundering; they have the bank statements as well as the bankers & accountants involved.

    faceoff---you are pretty clueless on this topic. They have Manafort by the short hairs. Why come into a thread with total BS when the facts totally refute your statements.

    Dumb dumb dumb


    Yep, Trump's always been mostly all flash & fools gold. A bright guy & in some ways maybe too smart for his own good but not much substance, little to no morals/integrity & the absolute epitome of someone unfit for the office of potus. He's going down bigtime. As divided as we already are (which Trump has made much worse), my best hope is Mueller is able to build a strong enough case or cases (even if strongly circumstantial) that the vast majority of Americans see & can accept it for what it is...hopefully even a part of his base outside his mindless, cult like fans. Electing a manipulative conman & charlatan has consequences... 
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    Mueller is loaded for bear & a paper trail of crimes are the easiest to prosecute. There is no possible tax evasion; they have proof he didn't pay taxes. There is no conjecture on money laundering; they have the bank statements as well as the bankers & accountants involved.

    faceoff---you are pretty clueless on this topic. They have Manafort by the short hairs. Why come into a thread with total BS when the facts totally refute your statements.

    Dumb dumb dumb


    Yep, Trump's always been mostly all flash & fools gold. A bright guy & in some ways maybe too smart for his own good but not much substance, little to no morals/integrity & the absolute epitome of someone unfit for the office of potus. He's going down bigtime. As divided as we already are (which Trump has made much worse), my best hope is Mueller is able to build a strong enough case or cases (even if strongly circumstantial) that the vast majority of Americans see & can accept it for what it is...hopefully even a part of his base outside his mindless, cult like fans. Electing a manipulative conman & charlatan has consequences... 
     
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    Cashin, you’re not getting it yet. President Trump did anything wrong. Over two of investigation and there is NOTHING. He is exactly what we need in Washington. Take a look at the soldiers back on US soil. This president got that deal done.  Every day we are MAGA
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    Over two years of investigations. It should read
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    If Mueller had anything ANYTHING don’t you think we would have heard of it by now ?
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    To quote Trey Gowdy..."if Mueller had any evidence of collusion...Schiff would have leaked it" 



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    It’s really insane how crisis after crisis is predicted and people are still hoping THIS TIME WE GOT HIM. You got nothing because he did nothing wrong. No coverup no collusion  NOTHING
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    If Mueller had anything ANYTHING don’t you think we would have heard of it by now ?

    Trust the Process ...

    When is Trump going to sit down with Mueller like he said he would 8 months ago ?
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    Trust the Process ...

    When is Trump going to sit down with Mueller like he said he would 8 months ago ?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by faceoff:

    He will not pardon until after the hearings... He is just allowing the Dums more chances to hang themselves... Everything the Dums have put forth has been ''possible'' ''maybe'' ''conjecture'' and ''heresay''...

     

    Yes.

    Frequently your enemies will unwittingly make erroneous moves that harm themselves and are completely unaware. Do not interefere. Let them hang themselves. Step in only to help the public fine tune on the self destruction.

    Russian Collusion Hoaxing is a difficult one, but there will be nothing of it, although taxes appear to be of special interest, as these are federal offenses, and my guess the "witch hunt" wants to see if Cohen or financial records will lead to tax evasion. That is NOT the scope of the Mueeler probe, so it is not admissable, but documents by the corrupt FBI could be leaked deliberately. 

    The Democrats are sinking deeper and deeper into the mire.

     

     

     

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    He will not pardon until after the hearings... He is just allowing the Dums more chances to hang themselves... Everything the Dums have put forth has been ''possible'' ''maybe'' ''conjecture'' and ''heresay''...

     

    Yes.

    Frequently your enemies will unwittingly make erroneous moves that harm themselves and are completely unaware. Do not interefere. Let them hang themselves. Step in only to help the public fine tune on the self destruction.

    Russian Collusion Hoaxing is a difficult one, but there will be nothing of it, although taxes appear to be of special interest, as these are federal offenses, and my guess the "witch hunt" wants to see if Cohen or financial records will lead to tax evasion. That is NOT the scope of the Mueeler probe, so it is not admissable, but documents by the corrupt FBI could be leaked deliberately. 

    The Democrats are sinking deeper and deeper into the mire.

     

     

     

     
     
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    No need to sit down with Mueller. Wrap it up already and let’s move on as a country.  
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