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    China has no way to win the trade war

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    nature1970
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2018 - 10:05 AM ET #1

    unlike past presidential regimes Trump has no problem with withholding our grain shipments to China. Our biggest export to the Far East is food grown in the heart land. And hence unless Beijing is readying for the unrest of hungered population.

    Trump has all the cards.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    unlike past presidential regimes Trump has no problem with withholding our grain shipments to China. Our biggest export to the Far East is food grown in the heart land. And hence unless Beijing is readying for the unrest of hungered population.

    Trump has all the cards.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2018 - 10:09 AM ET #2

    Hence the reasoning of sending usda surplus through the ebt snap programs and allowing the grain markets basis of most food here to remain in liquidity.

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    Hence the reasoning of sending usda surplus through the ebt snap programs and allowing the grain markets basis of most food here to remain in liquidity.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2018 - 11:44 AM ET #3

    No one wins in a trade war.  Tariffs are basically taxes with unintended consequences if retaliation escalates.  According to tax foundation, Trump tariffs might cancel out 20% of  benefits from GOP tax cuts.  Since american consumers benefit the most from globalization's low prices and wider selection of products, they would be losers in a trade war. 

    Since many american jobs depend on exports and imports, retailers, farmers and manufacturers don't want a trade war.  China may impose tariffs on top US goods such as soybeans, aerospace products and electronic components. In worst scenario, World trade organization estimates a global trade war might plunge the US into a recession.  Trump complains about unfair trade practices but the US has a long history of losing dispute cases filed at WTO.
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    No one wins in a trade war.  Tariffs are basically taxes with unintended consequences if retaliation escalates.  According to tax foundation, Trump tariffs might cancel out 20% of  benefits from GOP tax cuts.  Since american consumers benefit the most from globalization's low prices and wider selection of products, they would be losers in a trade war. 

    Since many american jobs depend on exports and imports, retailers, farmers and manufacturers don't want a trade war.  China may impose tariffs on top US goods such as soybeans, aerospace products and electronic components. In worst scenario, World trade organization estimates a global trade war might plunge the US into a recession.  Trump complains about unfair trade practices but the US has a long history of losing dispute cases filed at WTO.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2018 - 12:29 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    No one wins in a trade war.  Tariffs are basically taxes with unintended consequences if retaliation escalates.  According to tax foundation, Trump tariffs might cancel out 20% of  benefits from GOP tax cuts.  Since american consumers benefit the most from globalization's low prices and wider selection of products, they would be losers in a trade war. 

    Since many american jobs depend on exports and imports, retailers, farmers and manufacturers don't want a trade war.  China may impose tariffs on top US goods such as soybeans, aerospace products and electronic components. In worst scenario, World trade organization estimates a global trade war might plunge the US into a recession.  Trump complains about unfair trade practices but the US has a long history of losing dispute cases filed at WTO.




    In the past 9 years the United States has filed 25 enforcement actions at the WTO, more than any other WTO Member over that period.

    ...... And the United States has won every single one of those challenges decided thus far, including seven against China alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    No one wins in a trade war.  Tariffs are basically taxes with unintended consequences if retaliation escalates.  According to tax foundation, Trump tariffs might cancel out 20% of  benefits from GOP tax cuts.  Since american consumers benefit the most from globalization's low prices and wider selection of products, they would be losers in a trade war. 

    Since many american jobs depend on exports and imports, retailers, farmers and manufacturers don't want a trade war.  China may impose tariffs on top US goods such as soybeans, aerospace products and electronic components. In worst scenario, World trade organization estimates a global trade war might plunge the US into a recession.  Trump complains about unfair trade practices but the US has a long history of losing dispute cases filed at WTO.




    In the past 9 years the United States has filed 25 enforcement actions at the WTO, more than any other WTO Member over that period.

    ...... And the United States has won every single one of those challenges decided thus far, including seven against China alone.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2018 - 10:34 PM ET #5

    We borrow money to run our country. Who do we borrow it from?
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    We borrow money to run our country. Who do we borrow it from?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2018 - 11:18 PM ET #6

    Orville Redenbacher?

    confused

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    Orville Redenbacher?

    confused

     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2018 - 9:08 AM ET #7

    We borrow from The federal reserve bank mostly. A lot of our debt something around 60 percent is held by the private bank that holds the reserve currency for the world. China’s yuan a gold reserve notes are reserve currency in about 20 Country as well.

    bejing holds 20 percent of our debt. The rest is held by private firms in forms of treasury bonds. 

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    We borrow from The federal reserve bank mostly. A lot of our debt something around 60 percent is held by the private bank that holds the reserve currency for the world. China’s yuan a gold reserve notes are reserve currency in about 20 Country as well.

    bejing holds 20 percent of our debt. The rest is held by private firms in forms of treasury bonds. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2018 - 9:19 AM ET #8

    Another large part about 1 percent is held as savings bonds and 50 percent have reached maturity dates uncashed we do not pay interest after thirty years. All forms of debt from credit cards to mortgages are included in the national debt which is around 22 trillion. We take in 1 trillion and spend 2.6 trillion. Interesting interests payments by 2030 as the fed raises rates will be our largest percent of spending eclipsing national defense.

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    Another large part about 1 percent is held as savings bonds and 50 percent have reached maturity dates uncashed we do not pay interest after thirty years. All forms of debt from credit cards to mortgages are included in the national debt which is around 22 trillion. We take in 1 trillion and spend 2.6 trillion. Interesting interests payments by 2030 as the fed raises rates will be our largest percent of spending eclipsing national defense.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2018 - 9:42 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    We borrow money to run our country. Who do we borrow it from?

    Love it or leave it chump
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    We borrow money to run our country. Who do we borrow it from?

    Love it or leave it chump
     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2018 - 11:26 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45:


    Love it or leave it chump
    Ahhhh, right wing intelligence . You might be one of the smarter righties here.....but I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45:


    Love it or leave it chump
    Ahhhh, right wing intelligence . You might be one of the smarter righties here.....but I doubt it.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2018 - 10:24 PM ET #11

    President Donald Trump said on Thursday he had instructed U.S. trade officials to consider $100 billion in additional tariffs on China..

    ...and the further tariffs were being considered "in light of China's unfair retaliation" against earlier U.S. trade actions that included $50 billion of tariffs on Chinese goods.
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    President Donald Trump said on Thursday he had instructed U.S. trade officials to consider $100 billion in additional tariffs on China..

    ...and the further tariffs were being considered "in light of China's unfair retaliation" against earlier U.S. trade actions that included $50 billion of tariffs on Chinese goods.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 5:28 PM ET #12

    I actually believe it's the opposite.  It's probably easier for me to copy and paste a response I made on an article.

    The U.S. dollar is down by more than 10% in value since Trump took office.  That means your money gets you less when it's converted in other countries.  That's how exchange rates go. Yes,  Samantha may be accurate about the CNY/USD rate dropping from 6.8 to 6.2, but that doesn't matter because I'm pointing out Americans now have a currency that's worth less.  Furthermore, she didn't want to discuss my other main point, which is that the trade deficit under Trump INCREASED last year.   We're importing MORE!  So these companies are now forced with a weaker currency to spend more capital on importing the goods!  That means AMERICANS are going to pay MORE money since the extra cost is passed to them!   The companies sure as hell aren't going to absorb it, geniuses!

    Also, it's important to discuss that we can't fix the value of the dollar now.  Why?  The Republicans passed a tax bill that added 1.5 trillion to the deficit and we're continuing to print devalued money.  That makes it impossible to fix the value.   The U.S. is actually in a TERRIBLE POSITION to start a trade war!  The currency has been weakened and we're relying on importing more!  We are going to lose a trade war and Americans don't seem to understand our economy has serious problems that will be exacerbated by Trump's actions.
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    I actually believe it's the opposite.  It's probably easier for me to copy and paste a response I made on an article.

    The U.S. dollar is down by more than 10% in value since Trump took office.  That means your money gets you less when it's converted in other countries.  That's how exchange rates go. Yes,  Samantha may be accurate about the CNY/USD rate dropping from 6.8 to 6.2, but that doesn't matter because I'm pointing out Americans now have a currency that's worth less.  Furthermore, she didn't want to discuss my other main point, which is that the trade deficit under Trump INCREASED last year.   We're importing MORE!  So these companies are now forced with a weaker currency to spend more capital on importing the goods!  That means AMERICANS are going to pay MORE money since the extra cost is passed to them!   The companies sure as hell aren't going to absorb it, geniuses!

    Also, it's important to discuss that we can't fix the value of the dollar now.  Why?  The Republicans passed a tax bill that added 1.5 trillion to the deficit and we're continuing to print devalued money.  That makes it impossible to fix the value.   The U.S. is actually in a TERRIBLE POSITION to start a trade war!  The currency has been weakened and we're relying on importing more!  We are going to lose a trade war and Americans don't seem to understand our economy has serious problems that will be exacerbated by Trump's actions.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 5:35 PM ET #13

    We own the grain store. Stop the shipping of grain to China. Starve them to negotiate a better deal whether it works or not we will see but this what our president does to make a great deal. Read art of the deal best deal is made when you destroy any position your adversary has to say no at the table.

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    We own the grain store. Stop the shipping of grain to China. Starve them to negotiate a better deal whether it works or not we will see but this what our president does to make a great deal. Read art of the deal best deal is made when you destroy any position your adversary has to say no at the table.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 7:23 PM ET #14

    Uhhh yeah they can. They can start selling their US Treasury holdings and squeeze us like a lemon. If they were to publically announce to sell their holdings as retaliation others would sell and rates would go up HUGE...that alone could seriously harm this country.

    They also hold other assets that if they wanted to play dirty could make life difficult.

    What people are not understanding is this decision of Trump's is forcing INFLATION down our throats...inflation has held in check much in part due to cheap goods China sells to us and we buy. If inflation comes and treasury prices decline more we are in for some serious problems...let alone the damage this has to market caps of multi national corps.

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    Uhhh yeah they can. They can start selling their US Treasury holdings and squeeze us like a lemon. If they were to publically announce to sell their holdings as retaliation others would sell and rates would go up HUGE...that alone could seriously harm this country.

    They also hold other assets that if they wanted to play dirty could make life difficult.

    What people are not understanding is this decision of Trump's is forcing INFLATION down our throats...inflation has held in check much in part due to cheap goods China sells to us and we buy. If inflation comes and treasury prices decline more we are in for some serious problems...let alone the damage this has to market caps of multi national corps.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 8:07 PM ET #15

    Yes if it was known but the fed and the wbo along with imf could

    eas set up a shell corporation in Belgium to buy the bonds and slowly sell them back to our bank and Switzerland. Trading them for a merger of nestle and Coca-Cola for instance.

    what happened to Budweiser after China bocked when it was not aloud to purchase General Motors. Car smars it was the large holding of pallidium China was after.

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    Yes if it was known but the fed and the wbo along with imf could

    eas set up a shell corporation in Belgium to buy the bonds and slowly sell them back to our bank and Switzerland. Trading them for a merger of nestle and Coca-Cola for instance.

    what happened to Budweiser after China bocked when it was not aloud to purchase General Motors. Car smars it was the large holding of pallidium China was after.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 9:30 PM ET #16

    It doesnt matter if some shell corp etc etc that does not matter at all. If China even announced the INTENTION it would be over and the FED is not going to step in as you suggest plus the idea of China doing this is all it would take.

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    It doesnt matter if some shell corp etc etc that does not matter at all. If China even announced the INTENTION it would be over and the FED is not going to step in as you suggest plus the idea of China doing this is all it would take.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 9:44 PM ET #17

    Okay Wall say China announces it intends to dump its treasury bonds. Who wins on Wall Street.? If the notes plummeted in worth. Then someone wins in short sales. Housing market crashed AIG lost but some made huge profits in the sceme. Is treasuries any different? We bet the fed loses a ton for instance.

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    Okay Wall say China announces it intends to dump its treasury bonds. Who wins on Wall Street.? If the notes plummeted in worth. Then someone wins in short sales. Housing market crashed AIG lost but some made huge profits in the sceme. Is treasuries any different? We bet the fed loses a ton for instance.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We own the grain store. Stop the shipping of grain to China. Starve them to negotiate a better deal whether it works or not we will see but this what our president does to make a great deal. Read art of the deal best deal is made when you destroy any position your adversary has to say no at the table.


    false

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-corn-exports-analysis/u-s-set-to-lose-top-spot-as-global-corn-exporter-to-brazil-idUSKCN1G01VW
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We own the grain store. Stop the shipping of grain to China. Starve them to negotiate a better deal whether it works or not we will see but this what our president does to make a great deal. Read art of the deal best deal is made when you destroy any position your adversary has to say no at the table.


    false

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-corn-exports-analysis/u-s-set-to-lose-top-spot-as-global-corn-exporter-to-brazil-idUSKCN1G01VW
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 10:22 PM ET #19

    Guess who gets hurt the most? The same farmers that put the liar and thief in the WH. KARMA 
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    Guess who gets hurt the most? The same farmers that put the liar and thief in the WH. KARMA 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 10:38 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Posted: about an hour ago "Quote" Okay Wall say China announces it intends to dump its treasury bonds. Who wins on Wall Street.? If the notes plummeted in worth. Then someone wins in short sales. Housing market crashed AIG lost but some made huge profits in the sceme. Is treasuries any different? We bet the fed loses a ton for instance.

    Savers win as rates go up, bond shorts win...there is always a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Posted: about an hour ago "Quote" Okay Wall say China announces it intends to dump its treasury bonds. Who wins on Wall Street.? If the notes plummeted in worth. Then someone wins in short sales. Housing market crashed AIG lost but some made huge profits in the sceme. Is treasuries any different? We bet the fed loses a ton for instance.

    Savers win as rates go up, bond shorts win...there is always a winner.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 12:20 AM ET #21

    Trump ran on weakening the dollar. A strong dollar pushed away foreign investment on our goods. By devaluation of us currency then catapulted equipment would be more competitive than kamatzo machines from japan was the analogy. Part of his campaign stump speeches. currency such as gold to shelter their cash. A machine in United Emirates would accept paper in exchange for gold while Brazil was in an inflationary period. 

    Fed has begun to raise rates and projects interest to be held to 3 percent from the existing 1 percent. If given Trump is telling what he will do and so far has at least attempted to do this what would you suggest to place any assets into for the short term. Say for a 3-6 month window. 

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    Trump ran on weakening the dollar. A strong dollar pushed away foreign investment on our goods. By devaluation of us currency then catapulted equipment would be more competitive than kamatzo machines from japan was the analogy. Part of his campaign stump speeches. currency such as gold to shelter their cash. A machine in United Emirates would accept paper in exchange for gold while Brazil was in an inflationary period. 

    Fed has begun to raise rates and projects interest to be held to 3 percent from the existing 1 percent. If given Trump is telling what he will do and so far has at least attempted to do this what would you suggest to place any assets into for the short term. Say for a 3-6 month window. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2018 - 12:26 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 11:22 PM ET "Quote" Guess who gets hurt the most? The same farmers that put the liar and thief in the WH. KARMA
    it won’t take long for farmers to jump ships. I do not see Democrats staying away from the polls. With the current momentum republicans have a lot to lose in November and with One pc of legislative approval passed in 15 months tax breaks for the richest do not see the wall that Mexico has to pay for coming. Obama care repeal is off the table. Spending 2.5 times more than what you take in not really leaving conservatives all warm and fuzzy these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Posted: Apr. 6, 2018 - 11:22 PM ET "Quote" Guess who gets hurt the most? The same farmers that put the liar and thief in the WH. KARMA
    it won’t take long for farmers to jump ships. I do not see Democrats staying away from the polls. With the current momentum republicans have a lot to lose in November and with One pc of legislative approval passed in 15 months tax breaks for the richest do not see the wall that Mexico has to pay for coming. Obama care repeal is off the table. Spending 2.5 times more than what you take in not really leaving conservatives all warm and fuzzy these days.

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2018 - 12:24 AM ET #23

    Appears China has halted all soybean purchases from the US. congrats trump I'm sure this will benefit your midwest farmer base.
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    Appears China has halted all soybean purchases from the US. congrats trump I'm sure this will benefit your midwest farmer base.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2018 - 12:35 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Appears China has halted all soybean purchases from the US. congrats trump I'm sure this will benefit your midwest farmer base.

    I hope they halt almond purchases so that the almond growers in my fine state will stop bleeding the aquifers dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Appears China has halted all soybean purchases from the US. congrats trump I'm sure this will benefit your midwest farmer base.

    I hope they halt almond purchases so that the almond growers in my fine state will stop bleeding the aquifers dry.

     
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2018 - 12:21 PM ET #25

    China is in a population control measures.

    less food less live births less mouths to feed .

    its okay when you have a population of 4.2 documented citizens and want a population of 2 billion then things get evil 

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    China is in a population control measures.

    less food less live births less mouths to feed .

    its okay when you have a population of 4.2 documented citizens and want a population of 2 billion then things get evil 

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