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#1
Why it's better to alienate your allies and cozy up with your adversaries? 
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Can Someone Explain To Me
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#4
Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
There is nothing wrong with having your allies pay their 'fair share'. How many times did we hear 'fair share' over the last 8 years?
There is nothing wrong with having your allies pay their 'fair share'. How many times did we hear 'fair share' over the last 8 years?
I can understand wanting Allies to do their fair share but to the point of damaging relationships with them and then become closer buddies with long time enemies? is this what America really wants? Do people not think of the possible consequences of such actions
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#5
There consequences for isolation National Stradegies. America continues a all of our cycles do to over last 100 years we have been dragged into external conflicts to resolve conflicts.
Ww1 we didn’t get involved until We sided with England France and Russians quit went about an internal struggle there emerging communists under Lenin
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#8
Is NATO a vestial alliance? At one time it served a purpose and a function that was agreed by the members. With the fall of the Soviet Union and the Fall of Europe the EU members don't just want to let their contributions slide, they face internal problems that are much more pressing in that Leaders are facing being swept from office.
The Artist of the Deal may be fore-shadowing a US withdrawal.
The last time NATO came together was to fight in Afganistan, hardly a pressing item in its Mandate.
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#9
Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
Our relationships will be fine immediately after our allies write bigger checks for their defense. I have no issues with Trump forcing our allies to fairly contribute to their safety. Why is that concept so awful?
Our relationships will be fine immediately after our allies write bigger checks for their defense. I have no issues with Trump forcing our allies to fairly contribute to their safety. Why is that concept so awful?
I get your point on making a fair deal but why would a leader of democratic and freedom loving people want to befriend a communist autocratic dictator?
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#10
Really idol? After Billy C. paid them $4B to denuke and where'd that get us? It's called the carrot and the stick. Until he denukes NK, no carrots. Sanctions remain and the squeeze will work from being overthrown by his own people because they're starving or he denukes and he joins the rest of the world and NK will be open for biz. And the fake crying about our allies being offended, please, they've been skating for decades on our goodwill. S Korea and Germany have 60K+ US military in those 2 countries. Do you think they pay for that?
And nature not only does isolationism come with a penalty, reading your posts comes with a headache...I have no idea what your point is in #7. Here's a tip or you that I use all the time... Read what the hell your right as if your one of us and seeing it for the first time, if you head hurts or your confused, then you'll know how we feel and edit the b*tch and repeat.
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#11
Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:
Is NATO a vestial alliance? At one time it served a purpose and a function that was agreed by the members. With the fall of the Soviet Union and the Fall of Europe the EU members don't just want to let their contributions slide, they face internal problems that are much more pressing in that Leaders are facing being swept from office.The Artist of the Deal may be fore-shadowing a US withdrawal.The last time NATO came together was to fight in Afganistan, hardly a pressing item in its Mandate.
Is NATO a vestial alliance? At one time it served a purpose and a function that was agreed by the members. With the fall of the Soviet Union and the Fall of Europe the EU members don't just want to let their contributions slide, they face internal problems that are much more pressing in that Leaders are facing being swept from office.The Artist of the Deal may be fore-shadowing a US withdrawal.The last time NATO came together was to fight in Afganistan, hardly a pressing item in its Mandate.
My thinking is NATO's presence is still keeping oppressors in check, Russia today is still a threat as much or more as during the cold war
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#12
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Really idol? After Billy C. paid them $4B to denuke and where'd that get us? It's called the carrot and the stick. Until he denukes NK, no carrots. Sanctions remain and the squeeze will work from being overthrown by his own people because they're starving or he denukes and he joins the rest of the world and NK will be open for biz. And the fake crying about our allies being offended, please, they've been skating for decades on our goodwill. S Korea and Germany have 60K+ US military in those 2 countries. Do you think they pay for that? And nature not only does isolationism come with a penalty, reading your posts comes with a headache...I have no idea what your point is in #7. Here's a tip or you that I use all the time... Read what the hell your right as if your one of us and seeing it for the first time, if you head hurts or your confused, then you'll know how we feel and edit the b*tch and repeat.
Really idol? After Billy C. paid them $4B to denuke and where'd that get us? It's called the carrot and the stick. Until he denukes NK, no carrots. Sanctions remain and the squeeze will work from being overthrown by his own people because they're starving or he denukes and he joins the rest of the world and NK will be open for biz. And the fake crying about our allies being offended, please, they've been skating for decades on our goodwill. S Korea and Germany have 60K+ US military in those 2 countries. Do you think they pay for that? And nature not only does isolationism come with a penalty, reading your posts comes with a headache...I have no idea what your point is in #7. Here's a tip or you that I use all the time... Read what the hell your right as if your one of us and seeing it for the first time, if you head hurts or your confused, then you'll know how we feel and edit the b*tch and repeat.
I was talking about another dictator that a leader is hoping to meet up with in a couple days
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#14
Seems pretty obvious with no need to overanalyze. Trump & his campaign colluded/conspired with Putin/Russia & financial elements of the relationship beginnings went back for many years. No other way to explain Trumps attitude toward Putin & all he's said, done & not said/done towards him & the Russians since he started campaigning up to this day.
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#15
Quote Originally Posted by cashin:
Seems pretty obvious with no need to overanalyze. Trump & his campaign colluded/conspired with Putin/Russia & financial elements of the relationship beginnings went back for many years. No other way to explain Trumps attitude toward Putin & all he's said, done & not said/done towards him & the Russians since he started campaigning up to this day.
Seems pretty obvious with no need to overanalyze. Trump & his campaign colluded/conspired with Putin/Russia & financial elements of the relationship beginnings went back for many years. No other way to explain Trumps attitude toward Putin & all he's said, done & not said/done towards him & the Russians since he started campaigning up to this day.
Quote Originally Posted by cashin:
Seems pretty obvious with no need to overanalyze. Trump & his campaign colluded/conspired with Putin/Russia & financial elements of the relationship beginnings went back for many years. No other way to explain Trumps attitude toward Putin & all he's said, done & not said/done towards him & the Russians since he started campaigning up to this day.
Seems pretty obvious with no need to overanalyze. Trump & his campaign colluded/conspired with Putin/Russia & financial elements of the relationship beginnings went back for many years. No other way to explain Trumps attitude toward Putin & all he's said, done & not said/done towards him & the Russians since he started campaigning up to this day.
Quote Originally Posted by cashin:
Seems pretty obvious with no need to overanalyze. Trump & his campaign colluded/conspired with Putin/Russia & financial elements of the relationship beginnings went back for many years. No other way to explain Trumps attitude toward Putin & all he's said, done & not said/done towards him & the Russians since he started campaigning up to this day.
Seems pretty obvious with no need to overanalyze. Trump & his campaign colluded/conspired with Putin/Russia & financial elements of the relationship beginnings went back for many years. No other way to explain Trumps attitude toward Putin & all he's said, done & not said/done towards him & the Russians since he started campaigning up to this day.
Yeah, it was that obvious....When I went to vote there was a Russian standing next to my polling booth and I was warned to vote for Trump---or else.
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#17
Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:
I was talking about another dictator that a leader is hoping to meet up with in a couple days
Oh the guy by proxy purchased 20% of the countries uranium reserves while paying off the "Clinton Foundation" $145M.. Is that the one? I guess that was fine with you? Do you want war with Russia? And why is that? Because the most corrupt candidate in US history lost and it absolutely has to be due to Russian interference/collusion.. correct me where I'm wrong please. GO find a candidate that can beat Trump in 2020, that's the American way, at least that used to be the American way, it wasn't to try to cause a civil war over a wet dream of the Dems.
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#20
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:
I was talking about another dictator that a leader is hoping to meet up with in a couple days
Oh the guy by proxy purchased 20% of the countries uranium reserves while paying off the "Clinton Foundation" $145M.. Is that the one? I guess that was fine with you? Do you want war with Russia? And why is that? Because the most corrupt candidate in US history lost and it absolutely has to be due to Russian interference/collusion.. correct me where I'm wrong please. GO find a candidate that can beat Trump in 2020, that's the American way, at least that used to be the American way, it wasn't to try to cause a civil war over a wet dream of the Dems.I was talking about another dictator that a leader is hoping to meet up with in a couple days
Why do people bring up what previous administrations had done, do they think it excuses what the present leader does? Please think about the future and don't dwell on the past.
FYI of that $145M over $130M of it was donated by the former owner of Uranium One, a Canadian, who sold his shares of the company 3 years before the russian deal and over a year before Clinton became SOS and its never been proven that any uranium actually got to Russia as the company that bought the uranium never had any exporting rights to the purchase.
And please don't insult me , of course I don't want us to go to war with Russia, I just believe we should be extremely cautious when dealing with a manipulative, cunning dictator like Putin
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#21
Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
It sounds as if the countries comprising NATO have found the money to contribute their 'fair share' to the defense of Europe. Who else would compel them to find the money besides Trump?
It sounds as if the countries comprising NATO have found the money to contribute their 'fair share' to the defense of Europe. Who else would compel them to find the money besides Trump?
You know this is another lie by Piggy right???
President Macron has already stated that France has no plans to contribute additional funding until 2024. This was already planned before Piggy even arrived in Europe.
Piggy also said "Germany is totally controlled by Russia. They will be getting between 60 and 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline."
Less than 10% of Germany's energy comes from Russia & this new pipeline won't reach this ridiculous 60 to 70 percent Piggy stated.
Why do you shrooms keep eating up his BS? The dude cannot tell the truth.
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#22
Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:
Oh the guy by proxy purchased 20% of the countries uranium reserves while paying off the "Clinton Foundation" $145M.. Is that the one? I guess that was fine with you? Do you want war with Russia? And why is that? Because the most corrupt candidate in US history lost and it absolutely has to be due to Russian interference/collusion.. correct me where I'm wrong please. GO find a candidate that can beat Trump in 2020, that's the American way, at least that used to be the American way, it wasn't to try to cause a civil war over a wet dream of the Dems.
Oh the guy by proxy purchased 20% of the countries uranium reserves while paying off the "Clinton Foundation" $145M.. Is that the one? I guess that was fine with you? Do you want war with Russia? And why is that? Because the most corrupt candidate in US history lost and it absolutely has to be due to Russian interference/collusion.. correct me where I'm wrong please. GO find a candidate that can beat Trump in 2020, that's the American way, at least that used to be the American way, it wasn't to try to cause a civil war over a wet dream of the Dems.
Why do people bring up what previous administrations had done, do they think it excuses what the present leader does? Please think about the future and don't dwell on the past.
FYI of that $145M over $130M of it was donated by the former owner of Uranium One, a Canadian, who sold his shares of the company 3 years before the russian deal and over a year before Clinton became SOS and its never been proven that any uranium actually got to Russia as the company that bought the uranium never had any exporting rights to the purchase.
And please don't insult me , of course I don't want us to go to war with Russia, I just believe we should be extremely cautious when dealing with a manipulative, cunning dictator like Putin
No intention of insulting. Perhaps you should view the NATO members as "manipulative & cunning" of the good hearted U.S. That's over, pay what your supposed to pay and we'll have a good alliance, if not good luck defending yourself... There's a new sheriff in town and he's not going to get slapped around like 0 did for 8 years... Trump will handle it, if you need evidence, when was the last N Korea missile test? I'm sure he layed down the law with Kim.
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#23
Trump policies are based on politics and ignorance. Insulting to treat allies like dirt since hundreds of their soldiers have died to help the US in past wars. He alienates allies, put partnerships at risk and undermine US credibility. According to Gallop poll, global approval of US has sunk to a record low. Embracing Russia and North korea may backfire. Kim and Putin are bloody liars who often break promises and cannot be trusted.
Cashin is right. Years ago after multiple bankruptcies, american banks wouldn't lend to Trump. He was forced to seek financing from shady sources. Despite denials, Trump and his top advisors have extensive business ties with Russia.
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#24
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:
Oh the guy by proxy purchased 20% of the countries uranium reserves while paying off the "Clinton Foundation" $145M.. Is that the one? I guess that was fine with you? Do you want war with Russia? And why is that? Because the most corrupt candidate in US history lost and it absolutely has to be due to Russian interference/collusion.. correct me where I'm wrong please. GO find a candidate that can beat Trump in 2020, that's the American way, at least that used to be the American way, it wasn't to try to cause a civil war over a wet dream of the Dems. Why do people bring up what previous administrations had done, do they think it excuses what the present leader does? Please think about the future and don't dwell on the past. FYI of that $145M over $130M of it was donated by the former owner of Uranium One, a Canadian, who sold his shares of the company 3 years before the russian deal and over a year before Clinton became SOS and its never been proven that any uranium actually got to Russia as the company that bought the uranium never had any exporting rights to the purchase. And please don't insult me , of course I don't want us to go to war with Russia, I just believe we should be extremely cautious when dealing with a manipulative, cunning dictator like Putin
No intention of insulting. Perhaps you should view the NATO members as "manipulative & cunning" of the good hearted U.S. That's over, pay what your supposed to pay and we'll have a good alliance, if not good luck defending yourself... There's a new sheriff in town and he's not going to get slapped around like 0 did for 8 years... Trump will handle it, if you need evidence, when was the last N Korea missile test? I'm sure he layed down the law with Kim.Oh the guy by proxy purchased 20% of the countries uranium reserves while paying off the "Clinton Foundation" $145M.. Is that the one? I guess that was fine with you? Do you want war with Russia? And why is that? Because the most corrupt candidate in US history lost and it absolutely has to be due to Russian interference/collusion.. correct me where I'm wrong please. GO find a candidate that can beat Trump in 2020, that's the American way, at least that used to be the American way, it wasn't to try to cause a civil war over a wet dream of the Dems. Why do people bring up what previous administrations had done, do they think it excuses what the present leader does? Please think about the future and don't dwell on the past. FYI of that $145M over $130M of it was donated by the former owner of Uranium One, a Canadian, who sold his shares of the company 3 years before the russian deal and over a year before Clinton became SOS and its never been proven that any uranium actually got to Russia as the company that bought the uranium never had any exporting rights to the purchase. And please don't insult me , of course I don't want us to go to war with Russia, I just believe we should be extremely cautious when dealing with a manipulative, cunning dictator like Putin
As I replied to sundance in post 9, I understand wanting other nations to pay their share in NATO, I just question Trumps methods of accomplishing such, I'm afraid he will isolate America,I pray that it won't ever come to that because I think we can all agree an isolated America is not a good thing. As for NK, until we get independent inspectors unequivocally stating NK is nuclear free I will never trust that little midget as it appears he is still developing nuclear facilities and reneging on meetings once again
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#25
We lost hundreds of thousands also thirdperson fighting in the Pacific and in the European theatre. Did you forget about that? We helped them. Not the other way around. Appeasement got the Allies nowhere. Ask Churchill. Screww the NATO countries that do not want to pay their 'fair share'. We do not owe them anything. Such a difficult concept for weak kneed liberals.
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