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    cave0707
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 2:42 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Killer_B: .. I also find it amazing that you just continue to bash the most successful POTUS in 40 years by ANY MEASUREMENT... I'm not going to go through the list but it's infinitely better than 8 years of the last empty suit. . Still too early to credit Trump who is lucky to inherit a strong economy from Obama   In the first year, previous presidents have a bigger impact on the economy than new presidents.  In C-SPAN survey, historicans rank presidents based on 10 qualities.Economic management. Public persuasion. Crisis leadership. Moral authority. International relations. Administrative skills. Relations with congress. Vision or setting an agenda. Pursuit of equal justice for all. Performance within context of times. Based on first year, Trump should be ranked below Obama the 12th best president of all time because of low rankings in public persuasion, moral authority, international relations, relations with congress and pursuit of equal justice for all.  Hard to surpass Obama's 8th rank in economic management  which is higher than Reagan.

    I would rank him low in administrative skills given the many cabinet level positions that flopped.  How many quit or got fired? Five or six ... maybe more.  Crisis management might also be low due to his handling of Puerto Rico.  That's just my two cents worth ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Killer_B: .. I also find it amazing that you just continue to bash the most successful POTUS in 40 years by ANY MEASUREMENT... I'm not going to go through the list but it's infinitely better than 8 years of the last empty suit. . Still too early to credit Trump who is lucky to inherit a strong economy from Obama   In the first year, previous presidents have a bigger impact on the economy than new presidents.  In C-SPAN survey, historicans rank presidents based on 10 qualities.Economic management. Public persuasion. Crisis leadership. Moral authority. International relations. Administrative skills. Relations with congress. Vision or setting an agenda. Pursuit of equal justice for all. Performance within context of times. Based on first year, Trump should be ranked below Obama the 12th best president of all time because of low rankings in public persuasion, moral authority, international relations, relations with congress and pursuit of equal justice for all.  Hard to surpass Obama's 8th rank in economic management  which is higher than Reagan.

    I would rank him low in administrative skills given the many cabinet level positions that flopped.  How many quit or got fired? Five or six ... maybe more.  Crisis management might also be low due to his handling of Puerto Rico.  That's just my two cents worth ...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 4:35 AM ET #27

    Obama left office having produced an anemic average of 1.55% GNP for 8 years..

    This will be his miserable
    economic legacy.

    Obama's economy is the 4th worst of any US President...and he will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth....

    Thanks Obama  .............
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    Obama left office having produced an anemic average of 1.55% GNP for 8 years..

    This will be his miserable
    economic legacy.

    Obama's economy is the 4th worst of any US President...and he will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth....

    Thanks Obama  .............
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 8:25 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    I thank God for that everyday that the sane people in the country finally voted for someone that's unconnected to that fkn swamp... I also find it amazing that you just continue to bash the most successful POTUS in 40 years by ANY MEASUREMENT... I'm not going to go through the list but it's infinitely better than 8 years of the last empty suit. Keep looking for the Russian connection D1. Merry Christmas anyway.

     how delusional are you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    I thank God for that everyday that the sane people in the country finally voted for someone that's unconnected to that fkn swamp... I also find it amazing that you just continue to bash the most successful POTUS in 40 years by ANY MEASUREMENT... I'm not going to go through the list but it's infinitely better than 8 years of the last empty suit. Keep looking for the Russian connection D1. Merry Christmas anyway.

     how delusional are you ?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 8:27 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Obama left office having produced an anemic average of 1.55% GNP for 8 years..

    This will be his miserable
    economic legacy.

    Obama's economy is the 4th worst of any US President...and he will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth....

    Thanks Obama  .............

    Does Obama pay you rent for living in your head ?

    After 8 years of Obama, Trump took over and in 11 months the economy is fine

    Dude get a grip 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Obama left office having produced an anemic average of 1.55% GNP for 8 years..

    This will be his miserable
    economic legacy.

    Obama's economy is the 4th worst of any US President...and he will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth....

    Thanks Obama  .............

    Does Obama pay you rent for living in your head ?

    After 8 years of Obama, Trump took over and in 11 months the economy is fine

    Dude get a grip 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 10:10 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Obama left office having produced an anemic average of 1.55% GNP for 8 years..This will be his miserable economic legacy.Obama's economy is the 4th worst of any US President...and he will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth....Thanks Obama  .............

    See this is an example of what I mentioned earlier...SS isnt stupid, he knows what happened in 2007-2008 and the size of economic shock it had yet his biases and ego get in the way of rational thought.

    Anyone who is not intentionally biased or politically driven would not fault any president who inherited what Obama did, it was one of the largest shocks since the GD and it happened extremely quickly, no way to avoid the path..in fact the decisions made while I do not agree with some of them (the FED etc) for sure took some of the potential damage away.

    When you see a blatantly ignorant, biased post like this the only conclusions to be made are the author has extreme political bias or they are unintelligent. I do not think SS is unintelligent but for sure extremely biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Obama left office having produced an anemic average of 1.55% GNP for 8 years..This will be his miserable economic legacy.Obama's economy is the 4th worst of any US President...and he will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth....Thanks Obama  .............

    See this is an example of what I mentioned earlier...SS isnt stupid, he knows what happened in 2007-2008 and the size of economic shock it had yet his biases and ego get in the way of rational thought.

    Anyone who is not intentionally biased or politically driven would not fault any president who inherited what Obama did, it was one of the largest shocks since the GD and it happened extremely quickly, no way to avoid the path..in fact the decisions made while I do not agree with some of them (the FED etc) for sure took some of the potential damage away.

    When you see a blatantly ignorant, biased post like this the only conclusions to be made are the author has extreme political bias or they are unintelligent. I do not think SS is unintelligent but for sure extremely biased.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 12:23 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


     how delusional are you ?

    Yes I'm delusional. I also just went from 6 employees to 7. If every small business in the country could increase the number of employees by 15%, how good would that be? Consumer confidence is at it's highest point since 2000 and the stock market has broken 70 records in 2017. My clients are mostly manufacturers and ever since Nov 2016, they're buying more.

    Every post you make, I feel like I'm reading posts from a 20-year old that's been brainwashed by some liberal professor. It's always citing b.s. sources and nothing from the real world. Now go find some obscure liberal morons writings that agree with your view and post it - AGAIN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


     how delusional are you ?

    Yes I'm delusional. I also just went from 6 employees to 7. If every small business in the country could increase the number of employees by 15%, how good would that be? Consumer confidence is at it's highest point since 2000 and the stock market has broken 70 records in 2017. My clients are mostly manufacturers and ever since Nov 2016, they're buying more.

    Every post you make, I feel like I'm reading posts from a 20-year old that's been brainwashed by some liberal professor. It's always citing b.s. sources and nothing from the real world. Now go find some obscure liberal morons writings that agree with your view and post it - AGAIN.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 12:40 PM ET #32

    There is NO dispute to our economy is in good shape as of now. But Barack Obama inherited a mess in the US economy nine years ago, Donald Trump inherits the prosperity left behind by the Obama Administration. 

    No wonder, Obama has enjoyed ~60% approval rating when he left the White House, on the other hand Donald J Trump owns roughly 33% of the same rating currently. 
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    There is NO dispute to our economy is in good shape as of now. But Barack Obama inherited a mess in the US economy nine years ago, Donald Trump inherits the prosperity left behind by the Obama Administration. 

    No wonder, Obama has enjoyed ~60% approval rating when he left the White House, on the other hand Donald J Trump owns roughly 33% of the same rating currently. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 3:31 PM ET #33

    I for one, am not blind to the past...  like some we see in here..who are blinded by their hatred for the present President of the United States..so much ,that they need to discredit any opposing opinion .. they are the ones that are truly bias.

    It's a fact, that Obama's economy for the time he was at the helm was a mess.. and whatever he might have accomplished was off set by his reckless deficit spending..increasing the national debt in an attempt to stimulate the economy..

    The truth is Obama's economy was a disappointing failure ..if you truly look at it without bias..many in here cannot..

    Don't take my opinion of it... it take the lefts Economic Icon's words for it ............

    March 21st.2016:

    Americans are suffering “the awful legacy of the last eight years,” Bill Clinton said in March. He explained on April 26, “The problem is, 80 percent of the American people are still living on what they were living on the day before the crash [of 2008]. And about half the American people, after you adjust for inflation, are living on what they were living on the last day I was president, 15 years ago. So that’s what’s the matter.”

    Yes, Presidents inherit good and bad things from the previous President, but we have been told here in this forum ...many,many times that,that can only go on for a year or so..

    It doesn't cover Obama for the last 7 years of his Presidency.. 
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    I for one, am not blind to the past...  like some we see in here..who are blinded by their hatred for the present President of the United States..so much ,that they need to discredit any opposing opinion .. they are the ones that are truly bias.

    It's a fact, that Obama's economy for the time he was at the helm was a mess.. and whatever he might have accomplished was off set by his reckless deficit spending..increasing the national debt in an attempt to stimulate the economy..

    The truth is Obama's economy was a disappointing failure ..if you truly look at it without bias..many in here cannot..

    Don't take my opinion of it... it take the lefts Economic Icon's words for it ............

    March 21st.2016:

    Americans are suffering “the awful legacy of the last eight years,” Bill Clinton said in March. He explained on April 26, “The problem is, 80 percent of the American people are still living on what they were living on the day before the crash [of 2008]. And about half the American people, after you adjust for inflation, are living on what they were living on the last day I was president, 15 years ago. So that’s what’s the matter.”

    Yes, Presidents inherit good and bad things from the previous President, but we have been told here in this forum ...many,many times that,that can only go on for a year or so..

    It doesn't cover Obama for the last 7 years of his Presidency.. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 4:29 PM ET #34

    SS,

    Clinton isnt an economic icon in my eyes...he caught a break during his presidency, an unexpected economic boon that really helped incomes and the tax base but during his term the focus was less on the military and corporate freebies (as we see now) and more about using an increase to keep fiscal matters in check. Trump is not being intelligent with his fiscal planning to this point and I do not see in his character that he intends on being fiscally intelligent. He built and destroyed his net worth several times over being fiscally irresponsible and leveraging. I do not see Trump giving any effort on reducing deficits or even reducing existing deficits (meaning current vs long term accrual we have). 

    I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point). 

     

    The reason for stagnant income growth and net worth is that corps are not hiring jobs that pay solid wages. Even with our phony empolyment numbers the wage growth is not pacing accordingly, so the jobs created are crap jobs and that does not build wealth for the worker. The other issue regarding wealth is the decision of the FED keeping rate artificially low, that hurts savers and forces people into high risk choice to try and make a return...and of course the lower and middle class are not heavily invested in the stock market, most are paddling to survive let alone invest. So yet again the benefit of most things are the elite and business class. The elite are invested in the market, the elite are the ones offshoring higher cost jobs and squeezing existing workers so the hiring that we are seeing are cost savings to the corporation, and a net loss to the worker.

     

    Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions, my replies are not based on what political party I side with, I think the issues that exist are not due to a particular party...rather our process is corrupt and even with a reckless bankrupt loving president now, his choices are not the sole problem we face and this will continue going forward.

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    SS,

    Clinton isnt an economic icon in my eyes...he caught a break during his presidency, an unexpected economic boon that really helped incomes and the tax base but during his term the focus was less on the military and corporate freebies (as we see now) and more about using an increase to keep fiscal matters in check. Trump is not being intelligent with his fiscal planning to this point and I do not see in his character that he intends on being fiscally intelligent. He built and destroyed his net worth several times over being fiscally irresponsible and leveraging. I do not see Trump giving any effort on reducing deficits or even reducing existing deficits (meaning current vs long term accrual we have). 

    I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point). 

     

    The reason for stagnant income growth and net worth is that corps are not hiring jobs that pay solid wages. Even with our phony empolyment numbers the wage growth is not pacing accordingly, so the jobs created are crap jobs and that does not build wealth for the worker. The other issue regarding wealth is the decision of the FED keeping rate artificially low, that hurts savers and forces people into high risk choice to try and make a return...and of course the lower and middle class are not heavily invested in the stock market, most are paddling to survive let alone invest. So yet again the benefit of most things are the elite and business class. The elite are invested in the market, the elite are the ones offshoring higher cost jobs and squeezing existing workers so the hiring that we are seeing are cost savings to the corporation, and a net loss to the worker.

     

    Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions, my replies are not based on what political party I side with, I think the issues that exist are not due to a particular party...rather our process is corrupt and even with a reckless bankrupt loving president now, his choices are not the sole problem we face and this will continue going forward.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2017 - 4:29 PM ET #35

    SS,

    Clinton isnt an economic icon in my eyes...he caught a break during his presidency, an unexpected economic boon that really helped incomes and the tax base but during his term the focus was less on the military and corporate freebies (as we see now) and more about using an increase to keep fiscal matters in check. Trump is not being intelligent with his fiscal planning to this point and I do not see in his character that he intends on being fiscally intelligent. He built and destroyed his net worth several times over being fiscally irresponsible and leveraging. I do not see Trump giving any effort on reducing deficits or even reducing existing deficits (meaning current vs long term accrual we have). 

    I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point). 

     

    The reason for stagnant income growth and net worth is that corps are not hiring jobs that pay solid wages. Even with our phony empolyment numbers the wage growth is not pacing accordingly, so the jobs created are crap jobs and that does not build wealth for the worker. The other issue regarding wealth is the decision of the FED keeping rate artificially low, that hurts savers and forces people into high risk choice to try and make a return...and of course the lower and middle class are not heavily invested in the stock market, most are paddling to survive let alone invest. So yet again the benefit of most things are the elite and business class. The elite are invested in the market, the elite are the ones offshoring higher cost jobs and squeezing existing workers so the hiring that we are seeing are cost savings to the corporation, and a net loss to the worker.

     

    Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions, my replies are not based on what political party I side with, I think the issues that exist are not due to a particular party...rather our process is corrupt and even with a reckless bankrupt loving president now, his choices are not the sole problem we face and this will continue going forward.

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    SS,

    Clinton isnt an economic icon in my eyes...he caught a break during his presidency, an unexpected economic boon that really helped incomes and the tax base but during his term the focus was less on the military and corporate freebies (as we see now) and more about using an increase to keep fiscal matters in check. Trump is not being intelligent with his fiscal planning to this point and I do not see in his character that he intends on being fiscally intelligent. He built and destroyed his net worth several times over being fiscally irresponsible and leveraging. I do not see Trump giving any effort on reducing deficits or even reducing existing deficits (meaning current vs long term accrual we have). 

    I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point). 

     

    The reason for stagnant income growth and net worth is that corps are not hiring jobs that pay solid wages. Even with our phony empolyment numbers the wage growth is not pacing accordingly, so the jobs created are crap jobs and that does not build wealth for the worker. The other issue regarding wealth is the decision of the FED keeping rate artificially low, that hurts savers and forces people into high risk choice to try and make a return...and of course the lower and middle class are not heavily invested in the stock market, most are paddling to survive let alone invest. So yet again the benefit of most things are the elite and business class. The elite are invested in the market, the elite are the ones offshoring higher cost jobs and squeezing existing workers so the hiring that we are seeing are cost savings to the corporation, and a net loss to the worker.

     

    Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions, my replies are not based on what political party I side with, I think the issues that exist are not due to a particular party...rather our process is corrupt and even with a reckless bankrupt loving president now, his choices are not the sole problem we face and this will continue going forward.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point). 



    "Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions"..........lol ..maybe you are too smart for your own good ..

    Those conclusions are not just mine..... as I posted they are also the conclusions of Bill Clinton..so you are saying... according to you Bill Clinton is not capable of drawing simple conclusions.....wow......you have wasted you career by being here as a Covers Mod ...you should have been a economic advisor to somebody important..............

    I also do not totally buy your long winded reason for stagnant income growth in the middle class during the Obama years ...and before ... It was mostly because of globalization, that cause income inequality ...that's why MAGA is so important .The President is doing a globalization reversal..America First will raise wages here in America and not in the too distant future..and if you were not so bias you would see that to be true..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point). 



    "Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions"..........lol ..maybe you are too smart for your own good ..

    Those conclusions are not just mine..... as I posted they are also the conclusions of Bill Clinton..so you are saying... according to you Bill Clinton is not capable of drawing simple conclusions.....wow......you have wasted you career by being here as a Covers Mod ...you should have been a economic advisor to somebody important..............

    I also do not totally buy your long winded reason for stagnant income growth in the middle class during the Obama years ...and before ... It was mostly because of globalization, that cause income inequality ...that's why MAGA is so important .The President is doing a globalization reversal..America First will raise wages here in America and not in the too distant future..and if you were not so bias you would see that to be true..
     
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    MAGA is a horse whipping term to make people who lack the ability to investigate all nice and fuzzy. MAGA is not some catch phrase that the BK king throws around and magically we get income growth back...that is not how economics works, nor has he done anything for America. He has done plenty for his segment of America and those who put him in office, he has surrounded himself with his segment and has made decisions to futher protect and reward the elite. 

    Outside some conservative appointments, what exactly has he done for the majority that voted him in, to make THEIR America great? What precisely...using your words, not some blog throwup. What has he done in his first year to make the country great for the masses? 

    This corporate tax windfall? The majority do not sniff a benefit that will offset the loss in income growth and HC inflation, the pennies the masses allegedly save after factoring out the changes and eliminations to the tax code do not put much of anything into the pockets of those that need it most. To benefit from the elite banquet you have to be elite and most people are not.

    One more thing...Clinton LIKELY said many things in many contexts, I imagine the one you are referencing was on the campaign trail to support his wife while she was running. I have not seen Clinton bash Obama much outside the campaign ring, but yes I do not consider Clinton to be an economic genius...he did properly handle the increase in tax base while in office and he worked hard at trimming the fat, bloated military we had after Bush and Ronnie went too far on their 12 yrs. 

    Too many words for you again?

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    MAGA is a horse whipping term to make people who lack the ability to investigate all nice and fuzzy. MAGA is not some catch phrase that the BK king throws around and magically we get income growth back...that is not how economics works, nor has he done anything for America. He has done plenty for his segment of America and those who put him in office, he has surrounded himself with his segment and has made decisions to futher protect and reward the elite. 

    Outside some conservative appointments, what exactly has he done for the majority that voted him in, to make THEIR America great? What precisely...using your words, not some blog throwup. What has he done in his first year to make the country great for the masses? 

    This corporate tax windfall? The majority do not sniff a benefit that will offset the loss in income growth and HC inflation, the pennies the masses allegedly save after factoring out the changes and eliminations to the tax code do not put much of anything into the pockets of those that need it most. To benefit from the elite banquet you have to be elite and most people are not.

    One more thing...Clinton LIKELY said many things in many contexts, I imagine the one you are referencing was on the campaign trail to support his wife while she was running. I have not seen Clinton bash Obama much outside the campaign ring, but yes I do not consider Clinton to be an economic genius...he did properly handle the increase in tax base while in office and he worked hard at trimming the fat, bloated military we had after Bush and Ronnie went too far on their 12 yrs. 

    Too many words for you again?

     
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    We can agree though on something ...the creatures from Jekyll Island keeping the interest so low for sooo long ...added to the reason the income of top earners has outpaced that of the average American....and did little to increase real wages.
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    We can agree though on something ...the creatures from Jekyll Island keeping the interest so low for sooo long ...added to the reason the income of top earners has outpaced that of the average American....and did little to increase real wages.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    MAGA is a horse whipping term to make people who lack the ability to investigate all nice and fuzzy. MAGA is not some catch phrase that the BK king throws around and magically we get income growth back...that is not how economics works, nor has he done anything for America. He has done plenty for his segment of America and those who put him in office, he has surrounded himself with his segment and has made decisions to futher protect and reward the elite. 

    Outside some conservative appointments, what exactly has he done for the majority that voted him in, to make THEIR America great? What precisely...using your words, not some blog throwup. What has he done in his first year to make the country great for the masses? 

    This corporate tax windfall? The majority do not sniff a benefit that will offset the loss in income growth and HC inflation, the pennies the masses allegedly save after factoring out the changes and eliminations to the tax code do not put much of anything into the pockets of those that need it most. To benefit from the elite banquet you have to be elite and most people are not.

    One more thing...Clinton LIKELY said many things in many contexts, I imagine the one you are referencing was on the campaign trail to support his wife while she was running. I have not seen Clinton bash Obama much outside the campaign ring, but yes I do not consider Clinton to be an economic genius...he did properly handle the increase in tax base while in office and he worked hard at trimming the fat, bloated military we had after Bush and Ronnie went too far on their 12 yrs. 

    Too many words for you again?



    I could care less if you want to be wordy to camouflage your view....  I can read through it..

    ...and I see you forgot about
    a conversation between Senator Ted Kennedy and former President Bill Clinton in which Clinton said about Obama ... "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    MAGA is a horse whipping term to make people who lack the ability to investigate all nice and fuzzy. MAGA is not some catch phrase that the BK king throws around and magically we get income growth back...that is not how economics works, nor has he done anything for America. He has done plenty for his segment of America and those who put him in office, he has surrounded himself with his segment and has made decisions to futher protect and reward the elite. 

    Outside some conservative appointments, what exactly has he done for the majority that voted him in, to make THEIR America great? What precisely...using your words, not some blog throwup. What has he done in his first year to make the country great for the masses? 

    This corporate tax windfall? The majority do not sniff a benefit that will offset the loss in income growth and HC inflation, the pennies the masses allegedly save after factoring out the changes and eliminations to the tax code do not put much of anything into the pockets of those that need it most. To benefit from the elite banquet you have to be elite and most people are not.

    One more thing...Clinton LIKELY said many things in many contexts, I imagine the one you are referencing was on the campaign trail to support his wife while she was running. I have not seen Clinton bash Obama much outside the campaign ring, but yes I do not consider Clinton to be an economic genius...he did properly handle the increase in tax base while in office and he worked hard at trimming the fat, bloated military we had after Bush and Ronnie went too far on their 12 yrs. 

    Too many words for you again?



    I could care less if you want to be wordy to camouflage your view....  I can read through it..

    ...and I see you forgot about
    a conversation between Senator Ted Kennedy and former President Bill Clinton in which Clinton said about Obama ... "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,"....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point).  "Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions"..........lol ..maybe you are too smart for your own good ..Those conclusions are not just mine..... as I posted they are also the conclusions of Bill Clinton..so you are saying... according to you Bill Clinton is not capable of drawing simple conclusions.....wow......you have wasted you career by being here as a Covers Mod ...you should have been a economic advisor to somebody important..............I also do not totally buy your long winded reason for stagnant income growth in the middle class during the Obama years ...and before ... It was mostly because of globalization, that cause income inequality ...that's why MAGA is so important .The President is doing a globalization reversal..America First will raise wages here in America and not in the too distant future..and if you were not so bias you would see that to be true..

    Globalization reversal?  Laughable.  What era you live in?  You ride a horse and buggy to work?  Nothing Trump does will reverse this globalization machine and the sooner you realize this the less of moron you'll be in this forum.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: I also find great flaw with your conclusion that Obama is why wages are stagant and thus wealth of the lower and middle class are eroding when factoring in inflation (which I agree with this point).  "Maybe you are not smart enough to draw these simple conclusions"..........lol ..maybe you are too smart for your own good ..Those conclusions are not just mine..... as I posted they are also the conclusions of Bill Clinton..so you are saying... according to you Bill Clinton is not capable of drawing simple conclusions.....wow......you have wasted you career by being here as a Covers Mod ...you should have been a economic advisor to somebody important..............I also do not totally buy your long winded reason for stagnant income growth in the middle class during the Obama years ...and before ... It was mostly because of globalization, that cause income inequality ...that's why MAGA is so important .The President is doing a globalization reversal..America First will raise wages here in America and not in the too distant future..and if you were not so bias you would see that to be true..

    Globalization reversal?  Laughable.  What era you live in?  You ride a horse and buggy to work?  Nothing Trump does will reverse this globalization machine and the sooner you realize this the less of moron you'll be in this forum.  

     
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    The reversal of globalization is happening right now.

    The process begins with a President that has the US leave the Paris Climate A cord over fake /junk science. The next part of the equation is bringing our companies back home to a kinder tax structure. The Left will tax anything that is considered a noun in the English  language. For example. Taxing something do innocuous as a soda. Other signs that we are reversing globalization is leaving trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT. Trump is anti globalization/New World Order.How would you like to be under a nut job, globalist like Merkel in Germany? Absolutely destroying the country with migrants who never will assimilate into any culture. The mission of a refugee is to hang rape the women of the country they are living in for free. Amazing to me how the feelings of Lefty posters have been hurt so bad since the Landslide  in  November  of 2016. We see it in this forum on a daily basis when the Lefty posters like to use moron, lack of reading comprehension and other derogatory language. The point of this long rough draft is globalization is being reversed in the US.

    MAGA!

     

     

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    The reversal of globalization is happening right now.

    The process begins with a President that has the US leave the Paris Climate A cord over fake /junk science. The next part of the equation is bringing our companies back home to a kinder tax structure. The Left will tax anything that is considered a noun in the English  language. For example. Taxing something do innocuous as a soda. Other signs that we are reversing globalization is leaving trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT. Trump is anti globalization/New World Order.How would you like to be under a nut job, globalist like Merkel in Germany? Absolutely destroying the country with migrants who never will assimilate into any culture. The mission of a refugee is to hang rape the women of the country they are living in for free. Amazing to me how the feelings of Lefty posters have been hurt so bad since the Landslide  in  November  of 2016. We see it in this forum on a daily basis when the Lefty posters like to use moron, lack of reading comprehension and other derogatory language. The point of this long rough draft is globalization is being reversed in the US.

    MAGA!

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    Yes I'm delusional. I also just went from 6 employees to 7. If every small business in the country could increase the number of employees by 15%, how good would that be? Consumer confidence is at it's highest point since 2000 and the stock market has broken 70 records in 2017. My clients are mostly manufacturers and ever since Nov 2016, they're buying more.

    Every post you make, I feel like I'm reading posts from a 20-year old that's been brainwashed by some liberal professor. It's always citing b.s. sources and nothing from the real world. Now go find some obscure liberal morons writings that agree with your view and post it - AGAIN.


    You stated that Trump is the most successful POTUS in 40 years by ANY MEASUREMENT


    and you think I am brainwashed

    So you went from 6 employees to 7 . that's successful

    How many employees did you lose before Obama took over ? between 2007 and 2009

    Dude you are Delusional and foolish 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    Yes I'm delusional. I also just went from 6 employees to 7. If every small business in the country could increase the number of employees by 15%, how good would that be? Consumer confidence is at it's highest point since 2000 and the stock market has broken 70 records in 2017. My clients are mostly manufacturers and ever since Nov 2016, they're buying more.

    Every post you make, I feel like I'm reading posts from a 20-year old that's been brainwashed by some liberal professor. It's always citing b.s. sources and nothing from the real world. Now go find some obscure liberal morons writings that agree with your view and post it - AGAIN.


    You stated that Trump is the most successful POTUS in 40 years by ANY MEASUREMENT


    and you think I am brainwashed

    So you went from 6 employees to 7 . that's successful

    How many employees did you lose before Obama took over ? between 2007 and 2009

    Dude you are Delusional and foolish 
     
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    This is funny..

    Globalization will not reverse from a tax change, but you think otherwise?

    Corporations are about maximizing opportunity, every single opportunity available. That means if they can pay lobbyists to change tax code then that is a win for the corp...a corp hires lawyers to avoid prosecution and win legal disputes. Corps hire accountants to find ways to maximize profits via operational improvements, finding loopholes in tax codes, ways to get around restrictions etc. So this tax code is a win for corps, but that does not mean they will give up the labor cost gains, the raw goods cost benefits, any financial benefits they can find in any way possible.

    The only way to force corps to reverse exporting of labor is to punish them via restrictions, penalties etc. Giving benefit to a corp via taxation or freebies does not make a long term lasting impact on their decision making process, the benefit is assimilated and then the corp returns to finding every possible way to maximize profits and increase margins.

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    This is funny..

    Globalization will not reverse from a tax change, but you think otherwise?

    Corporations are about maximizing opportunity, every single opportunity available. That means if they can pay lobbyists to change tax code then that is a win for the corp...a corp hires lawyers to avoid prosecution and win legal disputes. Corps hire accountants to find ways to maximize profits via operational improvements, finding loopholes in tax codes, ways to get around restrictions etc. So this tax code is a win for corps, but that does not mean they will give up the labor cost gains, the raw goods cost benefits, any financial benefits they can find in any way possible.

    The only way to force corps to reverse exporting of labor is to punish them via restrictions, penalties etc. Giving benefit to a corp via taxation or freebies does not make a long term lasting impact on their decision making process, the benefit is assimilated and then the corp returns to finding every possible way to maximize profits and increase margins.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The reversal of globalization is happening right now. The process begins with a President that has the US leave the Paris Climate A cord over fake /junk science. The next part of the equation is bringing our companies back home to a kinder tax structure. The Left will tax anything that is considered a noun in the English  language. For example. Taxing something do innocuous as a soda. Other signs that we are reversing globalization is leaving trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT. Trump is anti globalization/New World Order.How would you like to be under a nut job, globalist like Merkel in Germany? Absolutely destroying the country with migrants who never will assimilate into any culture. The mission of a refugee is to hang rape the women of the country they are living in for free. Amazing to me how the feelings of Lefty posters have been hurt so bad since the Landslide  in  November  of 2016. We see it in this forum on a daily basis when the Lefty posters like to use moron, lack of reading comprehension and other derogatory language. The point of this long rough draft is globalization is being reversed in the US. MAGA!

    My definition/idea of globalization and yours probably differ.  IMO the only specific example you brought up that directly affects, influences and/or impacts globalization is NAFTA/GATT.  You can bet your bottom dollar NAFTA will be intact without any changes to the original agreement.  Many corporations regardless of size have integrated their business models to accomodate for this quarter century old agreement and won't let any administration alter let alone abondon it without major consequences.  Money runs this country and Trump won't dare rock this money boat.  

    Tying the tax change/reduction to anti globalization is bit of a stretch.  Enticing companies to keep their corporate headquarters in the United States is more about keeping tax revenues here and less about anti globalization.  A sound argument can be made about keeping those corporate headquarter jobs here but those jobs are more or less the SG&A (selling, general & administrative) type gigs which really won't have a meaningful effect on the unemployment rate.

    There's nothing else worth noting in your statements.  So yes ... any thought that Trump will reverse globalization is moronic.  The economies of each country is just so highly integrated that any meaningful attempt of reversing this is foolish.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The reversal of globalization is happening right now. The process begins with a President that has the US leave the Paris Climate A cord over fake /junk science. The next part of the equation is bringing our companies back home to a kinder tax structure. The Left will tax anything that is considered a noun in the English  language. For example. Taxing something do innocuous as a soda. Other signs that we are reversing globalization is leaving trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT. Trump is anti globalization/New World Order.How would you like to be under a nut job, globalist like Merkel in Germany? Absolutely destroying the country with migrants who never will assimilate into any culture. The mission of a refugee is to hang rape the women of the country they are living in for free. Amazing to me how the feelings of Lefty posters have been hurt so bad since the Landslide  in  November  of 2016. We see it in this forum on a daily basis when the Lefty posters like to use moron, lack of reading comprehension and other derogatory language. The point of this long rough draft is globalization is being reversed in the US. MAGA!

    My definition/idea of globalization and yours probably differ.  IMO the only specific example you brought up that directly affects, influences and/or impacts globalization is NAFTA/GATT.  You can bet your bottom dollar NAFTA will be intact without any changes to the original agreement.  Many corporations regardless of size have integrated their business models to accomodate for this quarter century old agreement and won't let any administration alter let alone abondon it without major consequences.  Money runs this country and Trump won't dare rock this money boat.  

    Tying the tax change/reduction to anti globalization is bit of a stretch.  Enticing companies to keep their corporate headquarters in the United States is more about keeping tax revenues here and less about anti globalization.  A sound argument can be made about keeping those corporate headquarter jobs here but those jobs are more or less the SG&A (selling, general & administrative) type gigs which really won't have a meaningful effect on the unemployment rate.

    There's nothing else worth noting in your statements.  So yes ... any thought that Trump will reverse globalization is moronic.  The economies of each country is just so highly integrated that any meaningful attempt of reversing this is foolish.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cave0707:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by sundance: The reversal of globalization is happening right now. The process begins with a President that has the US leave the Paris Climate A cord over fake /junk science. The next part of the equation is bringing our companies back home to a kinder tax structure. The Left will tax anything that is considered a noun in the English  language. For example. Taxing something do innocuous as a soda. Other signs that we are reversing globalization is leaving trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT. Trump is anti globalization/New World Order.How would you like to be under a nut job, globalist like Merkel in Germany? Absolutely destroying the country with migrants who never will assimilate into any culture. The mission of a refugee is to hang rape the women of the country they are living in for free. Amazing to me how the feelings of Lefty posters have been hurt so bad since the Landslide  in  November  of 2016. We see it in this forum on a daily basis when the Lefty posters like to use moron, lack of reading comprehension and other derogatory language. The point of this long rough draft is globalization is being reversed in the US. MAGA! My definition/idea of globalization and yours probably differ.  IMO the only specific example you brought up that directly affects, influences and/or impacts globalization is NAFTA/GATT.  You can bet your bottom dollar NAFTA will be intact without any changes to the original agreement.  Many corporations regardless of size have integrated their business models to accomodate for this quarter century old agreement and won't let any administration alter let alone abondon it without major consequences.  Money runs this country and Trump won't dare rock this money boat.   Tying the tax change/reduction to anti globalization is bit of a stretch.  Enticing companies to keep their corporate headquarters in the United States is more about keeping tax revenues here and less about anti globalization.  A sound argument can be made about keeping those corporate headquarter jobs here but those jobs are more or less the SG&A (selling, general & administrative) type gigs which really won't have a meaningful effect on the unemployment rate. There's nothing else worth noting in your statements.  So yes ... any thought that Trump will reverse globalization is moronic.  The economies of each country is just so highly integrated that any meaningful attempt of reversing this is foolish.

    My arguments are not to be taken as I'm in favor for globalization.  I'm just stating what is and what isn't.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave0707:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by sundance: The reversal of globalization is happening right now. The process begins with a President that has the US leave the Paris Climate A cord over fake /junk science. The next part of the equation is bringing our companies back home to a kinder tax structure. The Left will tax anything that is considered a noun in the English  language. For example. Taxing something do innocuous as a soda. Other signs that we are reversing globalization is leaving trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT. Trump is anti globalization/New World Order.How would you like to be under a nut job, globalist like Merkel in Germany? Absolutely destroying the country with migrants who never will assimilate into any culture. The mission of a refugee is to hang rape the women of the country they are living in for free. Amazing to me how the feelings of Lefty posters have been hurt so bad since the Landslide  in  November  of 2016. We see it in this forum on a daily basis when the Lefty posters like to use moron, lack of reading comprehension and other derogatory language. The point of this long rough draft is globalization is being reversed in the US. MAGA! My definition/idea of globalization and yours probably differ.  IMO the only specific example you brought up that directly affects, influences and/or impacts globalization is NAFTA/GATT.  You can bet your bottom dollar NAFTA will be intact without any changes to the original agreement.  Many corporations regardless of size have integrated their business models to accomodate for this quarter century old agreement and won't let any administration alter let alone abondon it without major consequences.  Money runs this country and Trump won't dare rock this money boat.   Tying the tax change/reduction to anti globalization is bit of a stretch.  Enticing companies to keep their corporate headquarters in the United States is more about keeping tax revenues here and less about anti globalization.  A sound argument can be made about keeping those corporate headquarter jobs here but those jobs are more or less the SG&A (selling, general & administrative) type gigs which really won't have a meaningful effect on the unemployment rate. There's nothing else worth noting in your statements.  So yes ... any thought that Trump will reverse globalization is moronic.  The economies of each country is just so highly integrated that any meaningful attempt of reversing this is foolish.

    My arguments are not to be taken as I'm in favor for globalization.  I'm just stating what is and what isn't.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2017 - 2:49 AM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This is funny..

    Globalization will not reverse from a tax change, but you think otherwise?

    Corporations are about maximizing opportunity, every single opportunity available. That means if they can pay lobbyists to change tax code then that is a win for the corp...a corp hires lawyers to avoid prosecution and win legal disputes. Corps hire accountants to find ways to maximize profits via operational improvements, finding loopholes in tax codes, ways to get around restrictions etc. So this tax code is a win for corps, but that does not mean they will give up the labor cost gains, the raw goods cost benefits, any financial benefits they can find in any way possible.

    The only way to force corps to reverse exporting of labor is to punish them via restrictions, penalties etc. Giving benefit to a corp via taxation or freebies does not make a long term lasting impact on their decision making process, the benefit is assimilated and then the corp returns to finding every possible way to maximize profits and increase margins.



    I concur with most of what you posted ..with the exception of the  words in bold..you do not have to punish them to see a reversal ..they will also reverse,, if executives see a benefit.. capital will go where it is treated best.

    There is a shift already going on in the world from globalization to localization. ..for one the Brexit vote in Britain was a rejection of globalization.. .and no globalization will not reverse solely because of the tax change we both understand that... Other policies will help speed it along.. like one of the things that Sundance pointed out... the US  leaving the Paris Climate Accord,,rejection of the Trans-Pacific Partnership is another and the President calling for the withdraw from or renegotiation of NAFTA. Things will not reverse over night ..but I see them reversing for sure.

    Many companies that left America will be returning to the US not only because of the tax break ,but because of the value of localization.
    Technology is changing the foundational principles of globalization( e.g. 3D printing )    New innovations are happening every day..robotic manufacturing technology will displace humans and there will be less need to go to foreign countries for cheap labor..

    .........and like Jeff Immelt has said recently "Robots do not care where you install them.They cost about the same and work at equal speed no matter where they are."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This is funny..

    Globalization will not reverse from a tax change, but you think otherwise?

    Corporations are about maximizing opportunity, every single opportunity available. That means if they can pay lobbyists to change tax code then that is a win for the corp...a corp hires lawyers to avoid prosecution and win legal disputes. Corps hire accountants to find ways to maximize profits via operational improvements, finding loopholes in tax codes, ways to get around restrictions etc. So this tax code is a win for corps, but that does not mean they will give up the labor cost gains, the raw goods cost benefits, any financial benefits they can find in any way possible.

    The only way to force corps to reverse exporting of labor is to punish them via restrictions, penalties etc. Giving benefit to a corp via taxation or freebies does not make a long term lasting impact on their decision making process, the benefit is assimilated and then the corp returns to finding every possible way to maximize profits and increase margins.



    I concur with most of what you posted ..with the exception of the  words in bold..you do not have to punish them to see a reversal ..they will also reverse,, if executives see a benefit.. capital will go where it is treated best.

    There is a shift already going on in the world from globalization to localization. ..for one the Brexit vote in Britain was a rejection of globalization.. .and no globalization will not reverse solely because of the tax change we both understand that... Other policies will help speed it along.. like one of the things that Sundance pointed out... the US  leaving the Paris Climate Accord,,rejection of the Trans-Pacific Partnership is another and the President calling for the withdraw from or renegotiation of NAFTA. Things will not reverse over night ..but I see them reversing for sure.

    Many companies that left America will be returning to the US not only because of the tax break ,but because of the value of localization.
    Technology is changing the foundational principles of globalization( e.g. 3D printing )    New innovations are happening every day..robotic manufacturing technology will displace humans and there will be less need to go to foreign countries for cheap labor..

    .........and like Jeff Immelt has said recently "Robots do not care where you install them.They cost about the same and work at equal speed no matter where they are."
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    I concur with most of what you posted ..with the exception of the  words in bold..you do not have to punish them to see a reversal ..they will also reverse,, if executives see a benefit.. capital will go where it is treated best.


    Slim, that right there is one of the fundamental differences of the right and the left when it comes to business.

    The left wants to punish corporations with more government oversight and higher taxes.

    The right wants to lower the costs of doing business in hopes of keeping more money/jobs here.

    It is the old adage of the stick or the carrot. 

    I could write 20 sermons on this particular topic, but that would be a fruitless endeavor, just as that of controlling Corp's with a stick or a carrot is. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    I concur with most of what you posted ..with the exception of the  words in bold..you do not have to punish them to see a reversal ..they will also reverse,, if executives see a benefit.. capital will go where it is treated best.


    Slim, that right there is one of the fundamental differences of the right and the left when it comes to business.

    The left wants to punish corporations with more government oversight and higher taxes.

    The right wants to lower the costs of doing business in hopes of keeping more money/jobs here.

    It is the old adage of the stick or the carrot. 

    I could write 20 sermons on this particular topic, but that would be a fruitless endeavor, just as that of controlling Corp's with a stick or a carrot is. 
     
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    The only way to control an entity that has more power and resources than you and is looking to find every advantage they can against you is to penalize because penalty is one of the only measures that will stop an entity that is built and engineered/run to maximize through ANY possible method.

    I do not read any media crap especially network based junk...I dont really read much online material outside zerohedge on a deeper basis and I actually regret starting to follow zerohedge years ago as they are extremely biased and it clouds my vision to an extent and not in a positive way...but I will zip past headlines as I am sure most do and cannot avoid.

    I did run across an article that I did not read that mentioned corps and the elite are already seeking avenues to bypass parts of this tax banquet legislation and to find ways to increase their advantage even when the bulk of the advantage was given in said legislation.

    The point is that businesses and those financially and legally equipped (elite) are not going to mystically stop with their search for maximizing their wealth/profits because this junk was passed, all this does is add some chips to their pile and on they go. Corps and those with power are cheats...they will do whatever they can to continue eliminating anything in their way to maximize profits and increase revenues. That has always been the facts and will always be how it works. If a business does not continue to increase market share and profits they are in effect losing market share because a competitor IS doing this very thing.

    This legislation will not be seen down the road as some turning point that businesses returned to this country out of the kindness of the tax code. The benefit of offshoring is MUCH greater than any taxation in total ever could be. We discussed this before, the net gain of all taxation is nothing compared to the net gain in labor cost and inputs. We are not fast enough or wealthy enough or smart enough to match the power of a large corp or even a medium corp or many wealthy elite entities. These organizations are 5 steps in front of the government and you do not sweet talk or coddle something that is faster and smarter than you. Unfortunately penalty and regulation are weak controls but you work with what you got and as a government we are not going to fund to properly equip what would be necessary to try and keep pace with a for profit powerful entity.

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    The only way to control an entity that has more power and resources than you and is looking to find every advantage they can against you is to penalize because penalty is one of the only measures that will stop an entity that is built and engineered/run to maximize through ANY possible method.

    I do not read any media crap especially network based junk...I dont really read much online material outside zerohedge on a deeper basis and I actually regret starting to follow zerohedge years ago as they are extremely biased and it clouds my vision to an extent and not in a positive way...but I will zip past headlines as I am sure most do and cannot avoid.

    I did run across an article that I did not read that mentioned corps and the elite are already seeking avenues to bypass parts of this tax banquet legislation and to find ways to increase their advantage even when the bulk of the advantage was given in said legislation.

    The point is that businesses and those financially and legally equipped (elite) are not going to mystically stop with their search for maximizing their wealth/profits because this junk was passed, all this does is add some chips to their pile and on they go. Corps and those with power are cheats...they will do whatever they can to continue eliminating anything in their way to maximize profits and increase revenues. That has always been the facts and will always be how it works. If a business does not continue to increase market share and profits they are in effect losing market share because a competitor IS doing this very thing.

    This legislation will not be seen down the road as some turning point that businesses returned to this country out of the kindness of the tax code. The benefit of offshoring is MUCH greater than any taxation in total ever could be. We discussed this before, the net gain of all taxation is nothing compared to the net gain in labor cost and inputs. We are not fast enough or wealthy enough or smart enough to match the power of a large corp or even a medium corp or many wealthy elite entities. These organizations are 5 steps in front of the government and you do not sweet talk or coddle something that is faster and smarter than you. Unfortunately penalty and regulation are weak controls but you work with what you got and as a government we are not going to fund to properly equip what would be necessary to try and keep pace with a for profit powerful entity.

     
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    "The left wants to punish corporations with more government oversight and higher taxes."

    Oversite is a good idea, more taxes is not.

    Oversite, good, because they have proven they can not be trusted.

    Income Taxes, bad, because they create costs that reduce competitiveness.

    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    "The left wants to punish corporations with more government oversight and higher taxes."

    Oversite is a good idea, more taxes is not.

    Oversite, good, because they have proven they can not be trusted.

    Income Taxes, bad, because they create costs that reduce competitiveness.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    ...I dont really read much online material outside zerohedge on a deeper basis and I actually regret starting to follow zerohedge years ago as they are extremely biased and it clouds my vision to an extent and not in a positive way...
    According to wikipedia, zerohedge is known for being controversial, conspiratorial, anti-establishment, pessimistic, extremist and pro-russian.  Although zerohedge has been right about banking corruption, it occasionally publish misleading information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    ...I dont really read much online material outside zerohedge on a deeper basis and I actually regret starting to follow zerohedge years ago as they are extremely biased and it clouds my vision to an extent and not in a positive way...
    According to wikipedia, zerohedge is known for being controversial, conspiratorial, anti-establishment, pessimistic, extremist and pro-russian.  Although zerohedge has been right about banking corruption, it occasionally publish misleading information.

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