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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 6:30 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:

    Fox News and others reported the US FISA court legally issued a warrant for surveillance of trump's team members last summer. Sorry but that action only happens as a result of evidence of criminal behavior.
     


    A FISA warrant does not require evidence that a crime has been committed.

    It is also rare for FISA warrant requests to be turned down.

    Over a 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials ...a rejection rate of 0.03 % of the total requests ( one of those 12 was Obama/AGLynch's first request to spy on the entire Trump campaign.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:

    Fox News and others reported the US FISA court legally issued a warrant for surveillance of trump's team members last summer. Sorry but that action only happens as a result of evidence of criminal behavior.
     


    A FISA warrant does not require evidence that a crime has been committed.

    It is also rare for FISA warrant requests to be turned down.

    Over a 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials ...a rejection rate of 0.03 % of the total requests ( one of those 12 was Obama/AGLynch's first request to spy on the entire Trump campaign.)

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 7:48 PM ET #27

    they spied on the trump campaign for 12 months found nothing.... now muller is supposed to find something. it is a dragnet witch hunt.
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    they spied on the trump campaign for 12 months found nothing.... now muller is supposed to find something. it is a dragnet witch hunt.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 7:56 PM ET #28

    Side note : The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) was introduced on May 18, 1977, by Senator Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy D-Mass., and was signed into law by President Carter in 1978.
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    Side note : The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) was introduced on May 18, 1977, by Senator Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy D-Mass., and was signed into law by President Carter in 1978.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 9:20 PM ET #29

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-92/pdf/STATUTE-92-Pg1783.pdf
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    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-92/pdf/STATUTE-92-Pg1783.pdf
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 10:29 PM ET #30

    Interesting intel.....
    I guess the grand juries that have convened in the eastern district of Virginia and the subpoenas that already been issued are my imagination. Fake news, right ?
    The DOJ lawyer (Hui Chen)in charge of fraud who just quit and cited her boss in trouble for "possible treason" didn't really happen. Fake quote?
    And the WSJ story that a GOP operative hired Russians to find Hillarys emails and promised access to Flynn as a reward, that was realllly fake.
    Ships may sail around the world but the flat earth society will always flourish !
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    Interesting intel.....
    I guess the grand juries that have convened in the eastern district of Virginia and the subpoenas that already been issued are my imagination. Fake news, right ?
    The DOJ lawyer (Hui Chen)in charge of fraud who just quit and cited her boss in trouble for "possible treason" didn't really happen. Fake quote?
    And the WSJ story that a GOP operative hired Russians to find Hillarys emails and promised access to Flynn as a reward, that was realllly fake.
    Ships may sail around the world but the flat earth society will always flourish !
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 10:42 PM ET #31

    we have the capabilty to hack any cell phone, take down any servor use any smart device and listen in to every tv set an authorized through the patriot act but we have only used it when spying on foriegn nationals international conversations?

    we have super computers that can anylize discern and connect networks of people how the relationships exists and why as reaveled by snowden but again we do not use them?

    and these technologies are not only buried in some cellar in langley no no no we employ private contractors with systems owned by private individuals to gather this and sell it to the government. yet i suppose they are not utilized either.

    we are far beyond a super computer, facebook twitter, google yahoo, hewitt packer, ibm msnbc wsj, and others all have this capability.  it is unreal that everyone and their brother knows this but we have no idea i guess it is classified. how long was anthony sexting his weiner to underage girls. but because his wife abdajadeen was hillaries advisor that was never discussed. 

    when wikileaks united with annomynous they have been access these 'mainframes" of intel and realeasing them usa response not allow americans access to wikileaks and the founder is a pedophile... are we serious here?

    it is at best a mess.
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    we have the capabilty to hack any cell phone, take down any servor use any smart device and listen in to every tv set an authorized through the patriot act but we have only used it when spying on foriegn nationals international conversations?

    we have super computers that can anylize discern and connect networks of people how the relationships exists and why as reaveled by snowden but again we do not use them?

    and these technologies are not only buried in some cellar in langley no no no we employ private contractors with systems owned by private individuals to gather this and sell it to the government. yet i suppose they are not utilized either.

    we are far beyond a super computer, facebook twitter, google yahoo, hewitt packer, ibm msnbc wsj, and others all have this capability.  it is unreal that everyone and their brother knows this but we have no idea i guess it is classified. how long was anthony sexting his weiner to underage girls. but because his wife abdajadeen was hillaries advisor that was never discussed. 

    when wikileaks united with annomynous they have been access these 'mainframes" of intel and realeasing them usa response not allow americans access to wikileaks and the founder is a pedophile... are we serious here?

    it is at best a mess.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 10:43 PM ET #32

    in one sense this entire exercise/post is an exercise in futility. Tribalism is winning, the truth is losing on all fronts. The pro trump and anti trump tribes are arguing points that simply make themselves and their tribe feel better.
    The worst part is our institutions of law, media, government, etc is all taking a hit. If anyone is winning its bannon who on record calls himself a Lennonist who wants the complete deconstruction of the administrative state.
    Bannon is a former filmmaker. His film idols are MICHAEL MOORE and LENI REIFENSTAHL(nazi film maker)
    What could possibly go wrong ?
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    in one sense this entire exercise/post is an exercise in futility. Tribalism is winning, the truth is losing on all fronts. The pro trump and anti trump tribes are arguing points that simply make themselves and their tribe feel better.
    The worst part is our institutions of law, media, government, etc is all taking a hit. If anyone is winning its bannon who on record calls himself a Lennonist who wants the complete deconstruction of the administrative state.
    Bannon is a former filmmaker. His film idols are MICHAEL MOORE and LENI REIFENSTAHL(nazi film maker)
    What could possibly go wrong ?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2017 - 12:29 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    they spied on the trump campaign for 12 months found nothing.... now muller is supposed to find something. it is a dragnet witch hunt.


    They all had a glass on the door and if they ever heard anything substantial they would've leaked (handed) it to the media. In that scenario no way its not played. (pre 1/20).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    they spied on the trump campaign for 12 months found nothing.... now muller is supposed to find something. it is a dragnet witch hunt.


    They all had a glass on the door and if they ever heard anything substantial they would've leaked (handed) it to the media. In that scenario no way its not played. (pre 1/20).
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2017 - 8:35 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:

    Interesting intel.....
    I guess the grand juries that have convened in the eastern district of Virginia and the subpoenas that already been issued are my imagination. Fake news, right ?
    The DOJ lawyer (Hui Chen)in charge of fraud who just quit and cited her boss in trouble for "possible treason" didn't really happen. Fake quote?
    And the WSJ story that a GOP operative hired Russians to find Hillarys emails and promised access to Flynn as a reward, that was realllly fake.
    Ships may sail around the world but the flat earth society will always flourish !


    You have a bunch of conspiracy theories and alleged indictments..you need to stop believing all the information being passed around on Facebook and Twitter..

    "grand juries that have convened in the eastern district of Virginia and the subpoenas that already been issued "....

    Subpoenas are not indictments..nothing has been proven at this point and everything is hearsay..Grand juries are regularly convened by federal and state courts as a matter of course. If there is a sitting grand jury in Virginia hearing witnesses or other evidence from prosecutors working on the Russia investigation, this would happen in the normal course of business in a federal court..

    Also,, a sitting president is immune to criminal prosecution while in office: a sitting president would have to be fully impeached before being charged with a crime.

    As far as DOJ lawyer Hui Chen.. she was a contractor for the agency, not a full-time employee.....

    Her Facebook page indicated that she stepped up her political activism in recent months, attending protests in front of the White House and the Capitol wearing a hat emblazoned with the word “resist.”...... her contract was due to expire in September anyway..she was an activist that wanted more freedom to protest..and she did with Sen.Nancy Pelosi recently..

    She was probably up-set because President Trump pulled out of the Paris climate accord and budget plans to sharply reduce funding for programs she cared about...Chen said she “will also consider it my personal mission to participate in efforts to hold our elected representatives accountable and to protect our environment.


    The WSJ story shows this operative may have been working with President Trumps former NSA advisor and that this operative.. Peter W. Smith implied that he was working with Michael Flynn.  But as described the only crime seems to be the hacking, none of which involved either Flynn, his son, or the late Peter W. Smith..

    “If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you read the newspaper you're misinformed"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:

    Interesting intel.....
    I guess the grand juries that have convened in the eastern district of Virginia and the subpoenas that already been issued are my imagination. Fake news, right ?
    The DOJ lawyer (Hui Chen)in charge of fraud who just quit and cited her boss in trouble for "possible treason" didn't really happen. Fake quote?
    And the WSJ story that a GOP operative hired Russians to find Hillarys emails and promised access to Flynn as a reward, that was realllly fake.
    Ships may sail around the world but the flat earth society will always flourish !


    You have a bunch of conspiracy theories and alleged indictments..you need to stop believing all the information being passed around on Facebook and Twitter..

    "grand juries that have convened in the eastern district of Virginia and the subpoenas that already been issued "....

    Subpoenas are not indictments..nothing has been proven at this point and everything is hearsay..Grand juries are regularly convened by federal and state courts as a matter of course. If there is a sitting grand jury in Virginia hearing witnesses or other evidence from prosecutors working on the Russia investigation, this would happen in the normal course of business in a federal court..

    Also,, a sitting president is immune to criminal prosecution while in office: a sitting president would have to be fully impeached before being charged with a crime.

    As far as DOJ lawyer Hui Chen.. she was a contractor for the agency, not a full-time employee.....

    Her Facebook page indicated that she stepped up her political activism in recent months, attending protests in front of the White House and the Capitol wearing a hat emblazoned with the word “resist.”...... her contract was due to expire in September anyway..she was an activist that wanted more freedom to protest..and she did with Sen.Nancy Pelosi recently..

    She was probably up-set because President Trump pulled out of the Paris climate accord and budget plans to sharply reduce funding for programs she cared about...Chen said she “will also consider it my personal mission to participate in efforts to hold our elected representatives accountable and to protect our environment.


    The WSJ story shows this operative may have been working with President Trumps former NSA advisor and that this operative.. Peter W. Smith implied that he was working with Michael Flynn.  But as described the only crime seems to be the hacking, none of which involved either Flynn, his son, or the late Peter W. Smith..

    “If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you read the newspaper you're misinformed"
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2017 - 11:41 AM ET #35

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Pdriver]  
    The worst part is our institutions of law, media, government, etc is all taking a hit. 

    media is run by 6 corporations directed by 272 executives they run a buisness driven by ratings. they sell ads and advertisers drive the content of media news.

    Law already took a serious hit with the appointment of so many life serving federal judges. many whom no actual intention of actually applying the law only their liberal slant of what the law intended to conform to mordernized soicity.

    government is self is a tale of two cities you have elected officials who do not overrule buracracy at these point the clicks at the country clubs hold all the cards.; they hold the legislature media and the judges, they are the exact nature of why founding fathers divided government.

    but when its all about the blue bloods view in the hamptons dictate everyones view. is the only way 1% can continuosly control the 99% in the agrivation is the 1% is also dividedc nearly in half with the wasps on one side and Hebrews catholics on the other....

    it is so insane gearge soros actually supports Hamas vs Bentanyahoo government.... ironic at best.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Pdriver]  
    The worst part is our institutions of law, media, government, etc is all taking a hit. 

    media is run by 6 corporations directed by 272 executives they run a buisness driven by ratings. they sell ads and advertisers drive the content of media news.

    Law already took a serious hit with the appointment of so many life serving federal judges. many whom no actual intention of actually applying the law only their liberal slant of what the law intended to conform to mordernized soicity.

    government is self is a tale of two cities you have elected officials who do not overrule buracracy at these point the clicks at the country clubs hold all the cards.; they hold the legislature media and the judges, they are the exact nature of why founding fathers divided government.

    but when its all about the blue bloods view in the hamptons dictate everyones view. is the only way 1% can continuosly control the 99% in the agrivation is the 1% is also dividedc nearly in half with the wasps on one side and Hebrews catholics on the other....

    it is so insane gearge soros actually supports Hamas vs Bentanyahoo government.... ironic at best.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2017 - 3:35 PM ET #36

    Slim- excellent retorts. I didn't know much about Chen. 
    However the contextual evidence is overwhelming in my opinion.  Mueller's dream team of lawyers ( or as Newt called them' "bad guys") have not been hired to to sit around and opine on possible indictments. I believe flynn, manafort, etc are in deep trouble and eventually this will cripple trumps presidency. I agree that impeachment is faaaar off. That is a whole different ballgame.  
    Enjoyed your comments. God bless America. But we will disagree on what happens next. 

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    Slim- excellent retorts. I didn't know much about Chen. 
    However the contextual evidence is overwhelming in my opinion.  Mueller's dream team of lawyers ( or as Newt called them' "bad guys") have not been hired to to sit around and opine on possible indictments. I believe flynn, manafort, etc are in deep trouble and eventually this will cripple trumps presidency. I agree that impeachment is faaaar off. That is a whole different ballgame.  
    Enjoyed your comments. God bless America. But we will disagree on what happens next. 

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2017 - 5:00 PM ET #37

    Pdiver, I enjoyed your comments as well.. and like the way you frame things ..please stick around, as we may learn things from each other......and we don't have to agree on every issue,, that's what makes it interesting ..

     (beer mugs toasting emoticon)
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    Pdiver, I enjoyed your comments as well.. and like the way you frame things ..please stick around, as we may learn things from each other......and we don't have to agree on every issue,, that's what makes it interesting ..

     (beer mugs toasting emoticon)
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