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    Should I have known better?

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    JoeyTDog1
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2009 - 10:04 AM ET #1

    I had a pair of pocket Kings

    $1-$2 cash game

    I think it was raised to $20 pre flop?  (dont remember)

    FLOP came out K J J

    I raised to $60 or $80

    Next Card was a J

    I raised to $60 or $80 again

    Guy next to me went all in with about $600 more

    I called

    Of course, he had the 4th Jack!!!!!

    Should I have known?

    Was this a decent call and did I play it right?

    ANY thoughts/opinions are appreciated

    TIA

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    I had a pair of pocket Kings

    $1-$2 cash game

    I think it was raised to $20 pre flop?  (dont remember)

    FLOP came out K J J

    I raised to $60 or $80

    Next Card was a J

    I raised to $60 or $80 again

    Guy next to me went all in with about $600 more

    I called

    Of course, he had the 4th Jack!!!!!

    Should I have known?

    Was this a decent call and did I play it right?

    ANY thoughts/opinions are appreciated

    TIA

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2009 - 10:16 AM ET #2

    How was the other guy playing, was he loose, tight, calling station?  Who raised it, you or the the other guy, what was his other hole card?
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    How was the other guy playing, was he loose, tight, calling station?  Who raised it, you or the the other guy, what was his other hole card?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2009 - 10:23 AM ET #3

    I raised it both times...
     
    It was early in the night, and I had not played with him, so it was too early to tell if he was tight or not
     
    I forget his other card
     
    I was just staring at his Jack the whole time
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    I raised it both times...
     
    It was early in the night, and I had not played with him, so it was too early to tell if he was tight or not
     
    I forget his other card
     
    I was just staring at his Jack the whole time
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2009 - 10:36 AM ET #4

    Well... 10 times the big blind is a fairly big raise coming from UTG, it probably seemed to hiim that you were trying to protect your pocket pair and of course with him having a J with KJJ coming out, he will definitely call your raise.  Then after the turn another J came out and he went all in, I think you should've folded.  Tough fold though.
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    Well... 10 times the big blind is a fairly big raise coming from UTG, it probably seemed to hiim that you were trying to protect your pocket pair and of course with him having a J with KJJ coming out, he will definitely call your raise.  Then after the turn another J came out and he went all in, I think you should've folded.  Tough fold though.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2009 - 12:29 PM ET #5

    shoulda known? That's poker too much gamble in that game for me
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    shoulda known? That's poker too much gamble in that game for me
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2009 - 10:38 PM ET #6

    there are some missing details here, i.e. first raiser preflop, how many callers, was there a reraise preflop and after the flop, etc.
     
    That being said, going all in for $600 in a pot that appears to be around $200, I think you should have folded.  You got one-outered but he practically told you he had quads
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    there are some missing details here, i.e. first raiser preflop, how many callers, was there a reraise preflop and after the flop, etc.
     
    That being said, going all in for $600 in a pot that appears to be around $200, I think you should have folded.  You got one-outered but he practically told you he had quads
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2009 - 11:59 PM ET #7

    He could have had the other King, as guys will way overplay their full boat like this, as they think it is unlikely anyone has the last Jack. It would have been tough for him to fold on the flop, and a tough fold for you on the turn, but if the pot was 200 at that point, you could've chucked it. There is no real right play here, just very bad luck on your part
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    He could have had the other King, as guys will way overplay their full boat like this, as they think it is unlikely anyone has the last Jack. It would have been tough for him to fold on the flop, and a tough fold for you on the turn, but if the pot was 200 at that point, you could've chucked it. There is no real right play here, just very bad luck on your part
     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2009 - 12:26 PM ET #8

    With no read on the guy, I'd call.  Most guys would slow play quads.  He did the opposite and it paid off for him.  If you lay down the second best hand every time you get bet into, I don't think you can make money playing poker.
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    With no read on the guy, I'd call.  Most guys would slow play quads.  He did the opposite and it paid off for him.  If you lay down the second best hand every time you get bet into, I don't think you can make money playing poker.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2009 - 11:06 AM ET #9

    if the guy with quads checked on the turn, you probably would've bet, and you're trapped chasing the last king in the deck, so there was no way to really get away from the hand for you.
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    if the guy with quads checked on the turn, you probably would've bet, and you're trapped chasing the last king in the deck, so there was no way to really get away from the hand for you.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 10:29 AM ET #10

    Why would you bet the flop filling up like that, dream flop for you.  If you check like you should've you bet the turn.  If he goes all in than you get get away from the hand and fold since not that much money in the pot. 
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    Why would you bet the flop filling up like that, dream flop for you.  If you check like you should've you bet the turn.  If he goes all in than you get get away from the hand and fold since not that much money in the pot. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 10:27 PM ET #11

    no way any of you fold this hand......
     
    Why did you bet on the flop?
     
    Why did he go all in on the turn with quads?
     
    people amaze me.....
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    no way any of you fold this hand......
     
    Why did you bet on the flop?
     
    Why did he go all in on the turn with quads?
     
    people amaze me.....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2009 - 10:16 PM ET #12

    no one would fold in that spot
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    no one would fold in that spot
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2009 - 10:44 PM ET #13

    this had to be online..that shit happens 12x every hour
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    this had to be online..that shit happens 12x every hour
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 3:29 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    this had to be online..that shit happens 12x every hour

    Exactly, im guessing that it was after you played for a while, made a decent profit, then the software kicks in to rig you up with a hand no one would fold to clean you out so you would have to rebuy, correct? oh well, play on these rigged poker sites and thats what happens, to EVERYONE, probably your opponent had just rebought. All the sites are rigged the same way. Only ONE person in the whole world makes money on the rigged pokersites, chancep, he is so awesome! LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:

    this had to be online..that shit happens 12x every hour

    Exactly, im guessing that it was after you played for a while, made a decent profit, then the software kicks in to rig you up with a hand no one would fold to clean you out so you would have to rebuy, correct? oh well, play on these rigged poker sites and thats what happens, to EVERYONE, probably your opponent had just rebought. All the sites are rigged the same way. Only ONE person in the whole world makes money on the rigged pokersites, chancep, he is so awesome! LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL 

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2009 - 9:08 AM ET #15

    It's early in the night and you guys are sitting with $800 in your stacks, is this a no limit 1-2 buy in game.  Stack size in this situation makes a difference?  Based on your description there's $140 in the pot, and he has raised you $540 on your last bet, probably fold, but it's all relative to your stack. 
     
    I play Omaha though and the fourth jack is usually out there, so I would fold.
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    It's early in the night and you guys are sitting with $800 in your stacks, is this a no limit 1-2 buy in game.  Stack size in this situation makes a difference?  Based on your description there's $140 in the pot, and he has raised you $540 on your last bet, probably fold, but it's all relative to your stack. 
     
    I play Omaha though and the fourth jack is usually out there, so I would fold.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2009 - 9:56 AM ET #16

    No it was not online, this was a live game at someones house.....
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    No it was not online, this was a live game at someones house.....
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2009 - 9:49 AM ET #17

    you flop a monster like that and dont slowplay it
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    you flop a monster like that and dont slowplay it
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2009 - 6:33 PM ET #18

    In my opinion, 60 or 80 is way too much UTG in 1-2. I agree that you should have slowed played them. Either way it is tough to lay down a monster like that
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    In my opinion, 60 or 80 is way too much UTG in 1-2. I agree that you should have slowed played them. Either way it is tough to lay down a monster like that
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2009 - 1:09 PM ET #19

    you made the right call.  I would have put him on a pocket pair below kings.
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    you made the right call.  I would have put him on a pocket pair below kings.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2009 - 5:06 PM ET #20

    Wendy..do you know alot of ppl who raise 270 BB's with a PP smaller than kings when the board is K J J or K J J J ?  Why would you put him on that?

    Now Im not saying I would of gotten away from that hand [although that is a huge raise] but why would you put him on a PP smaller than KK?

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    Wendy..do you know alot of ppl who raise 270 BB's with a PP smaller than kings when the board is K J J or K J J J ?  Why would you put him on that?

    Now Im not saying I would of gotten away from that hand [although that is a huge raise] but why would you put him on a PP smaller than KK?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2009 - 9:33 PM ET #21

    I think that was a horrible call. He raised it preflop and the guy called. He obviously didn't have junk. He hit a pair of Kings and TWO Jacks came up....the guy called his bet again! You really don't think he has a Jack at that point? He slow played you. In that case, you have to fold. He's not going to call your two raises with nothing.
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    I think that was a horrible call. He raised it preflop and the guy called. He obviously didn't have junk. He hit a pair of Kings and TWO Jacks came up....the guy called his bet again! You really don't think he has a Jack at that point? He slow played you. In that case, you have to fold. He's not going to call your two raises with nothing.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2009 - 1:19 AM ET #22

    in my opinion. if you won this and posted your win 95% of the people here would say "nice call" yeah you'd be an idiot for folding" if you rased flop he could of had AK or maybe AQ or trying to slowplay AA there for if the flop was KJJ he would have the K with A kicker or if he had AQ then he would be on a str8 draw or he could have called the pre flop rase wishing to bluff you.. anyways i don't think anyone here would fold that hand. (mabe online if they were poor) but  real game. no way. I'd have to say nice call even though you lost.
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    in my opinion. if you won this and posted your win 95% of the people here would say "nice call" yeah you'd be an idiot for folding" if you rased flop he could of had AK or maybe AQ or trying to slowplay AA there for if the flop was KJJ he would have the K with A kicker or if he had AQ then he would be on a str8 draw or he could have called the pre flop rase wishing to bluff you.. anyways i don't think anyone here would fold that hand. (mabe online if they were poor) but  real game. no way. I'd have to say nice call even though you lost.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2009 - 11:00 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:

    Wendy..do you know alot of ppl who raise 270 BB's with a PP smaller than kings when the board is K J J or K J J J ?  Why would you put him on that?

    Now Im not saying I would of gotten away from that hand [although that is a huge raise] but why would you put him on a PP smaller than KK?



    You're totally right.  As I read your comment, I tried to imagine what I was thinking when writing that comment.... I must have been hungover is all I can think. 

    Looking at that hand again, I think I would have put him on AA, AK, or a bluff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:

    Wendy..do you know alot of ppl who raise 270 BB's with a PP smaller than kings when the board is K J J or K J J J ?  Why would you put him on that?

    Now Im not saying I would of gotten away from that hand [although that is a huge raise] but why would you put him on a PP smaller than KK?



    You're totally right.  As I read your comment, I tried to imagine what I was thinking when writing that comment.... I must have been hungover is all I can think. 

    Looking at that hand again, I think I would have put him on AA, AK, or a bluff.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2009 - 4:43 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    no way any of you fold this hand......
     
    Why did he go all in on the turn with quads?
     
    people amaze me.....


    best move he could do...even if he didnt put him on pocket kings, a lot would have called with ak!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    no way any of you fold this hand......
     
    Why did he go all in on the turn with quads?
     
    people amaze me.....


    best move he could do...even if he didnt put him on pocket kings, a lot would have called with ak!
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2009 - 6:01 AM ET #25

    Well looking at the pot I'd personally wait for a better spot. Why would he bluff knowing you might have that Jack? really does not make sense on his part. He had to have had the Jack
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    Well looking at the pot I'd personally wait for a better spot. Why would he bluff knowing you might have that Jack? really does not make sense on his part. He had to have had the Jack
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