I win consistently in real life poker but in online it seems like the cards are dealt in a way to create action. What are the chances that these online poker companies are simply a scam organization?
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I win consistently in real life poker but in online it seems like the cards are dealt in a way to create action. What are the chances that these online poker companies are simply a scam organization?
I only play online tournaments with other users. But there is a big difference between online and face-to-face poker.
People online are a little more loose and/or aggressive with bad hands. You can make more online once you figure out who's always aggressive with bad hands.
And it's hard to steal the blinds with online poker because more people call bets then fold.
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I only play online tournaments with other users. But there is a big difference between online and face-to-face poker.
People online are a little more loose and/or aggressive with bad hands. You can make more online once you figure out who's always aggressive with bad hands.
And it's hard to steal the blinds with online poker because more people call bets then fold.
these online gambling sites places make 8 million a year on average.
I think 8M is a small estimate. In Pokerstars' heyday, they were making about 750K per day.
Online isn't rigged the players are just better. Imagine a roulette wheel, but instead of the numbers being on the wheel, the 52 cards are on the wheel. That wheel is spinning and when the action closes on every street, the card at the top of the wheel is dealt. It's as random as it can get.
Online is better for practice because you're seeing so many more hands. And like I said the players are better. I'd rather play against a table of live 1/2 players than against a table of online $0.05/$0.10 players ainec.
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Quote Originally Posted by JimmyDrizzl:
these online gambling sites places make 8 million a year on average.
I think 8M is a small estimate. In Pokerstars' heyday, they were making about 750K per day.
Online isn't rigged the players are just better. Imagine a roulette wheel, but instead of the numbers being on the wheel, the 52 cards are on the wheel. That wheel is spinning and when the action closes on every street, the card at the top of the wheel is dealt. It's as random as it can get.
Online is better for practice because you're seeing so many more hands. And like I said the players are better. I'd rather play against a table of live 1/2 players than against a table of online $0.05/$0.10 players ainec.
Online poker is a waste of time. rigged software / hackers/ bots/ collusion/ cheats. And if you still manage to profit good luck getting your money off half of these sites.
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Online poker is a waste of time. rigged software / hackers/ bots/ collusion/ cheats. And if you still manage to profit good luck getting your money off half of these sites.
All of you who think it's rigged forget one thing - the large number of millionaires that have been created playing online.
Rigging the games does not make a lot of sense. They make their money off the rake and other charges. And today's tracking software can pick up on anyone getting a little too lucky.
No, you really have to play higher stakes before you get rid of a good number of "any two will do" players. $1.10 games is not going to do it. I'd say $50.00 and over keeps the loons away, although fools with money still play these.
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All of you who think it's rigged forget one thing - the large number of millionaires that have been created playing online.
Rigging the games does not make a lot of sense. They make their money off the rake and other charges. And today's tracking software can pick up on anyone getting a little too lucky.
No, you really have to play higher stakes before you get rid of a good number of "any two will do" players. $1.10 games is not going to do it. I'd say $50.00 and over keeps the loons away, although fools with money still play these.
All of you who think it's rigged forget one thing - the large number of millionaires that have been created playing online.
Rigging the games does not make a lot of sense. They make their money off the rake and other charges. And today's tracking software can pick up on anyone getting a little too lucky.
No, you really have to play higher stakes before you get rid of a good number of "any two will do" players. $1.10 games is not going to do it. I'd say $50.00 and over keeps the loons away, although fools with money still play these.
umm, ever hear of Full Tilt Poker
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Quote Originally Posted by DoomFelter:
All of you who think it's rigged forget one thing - the large number of millionaires that have been created playing online.
Rigging the games does not make a lot of sense. They make their money off the rake and other charges. And today's tracking software can pick up on anyone getting a little too lucky.
No, you really have to play higher stakes before you get rid of a good number of "any two will do" players. $1.10 games is not going to do it. I'd say $50.00 and over keeps the loons away, although fools with money still play these.
not for the peanuts us monkeys play for.. come on people if you think it rigged then why the hell are you playing. pretty stupid imo to even try to compare live vs online for the smiple reason in a live game your playing 1or 2 hands per hour online you play way more hands per hr.
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Quote Originally Posted by SchoolBus:
Full Tilt Poker weren't rigging games.
not for the peanuts us monkeys play for.. come on people if you think it rigged then why the hell are you playing. pretty stupid imo to even try to compare live vs online for the smiple reason in a live game your playing 1or 2 hands per hour online you play way more hands per hr.
You just aren't as good as you think you are. It's a long grind but I win pretty consistently playing 20-40 sng's a week on pokerstars. I do it for fun and whenever I cash out I buy myself something I wouldn't normally buy.
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You just aren't as good as you think you are. It's a long grind but I win pretty consistently playing 20-40 sng's a week on pokerstars. I do it for fun and whenever I cash out I buy myself something I wouldn't normally buy.
Ive played both it would be my opinion live poker is more rigged than online poker. The card shufflers/holder allow the dealer to know where certain cards are in decks and pull them out same with blackjack. If the dealer would hold the cards and deal them out of hand it would be different they use the holders for a reason. Id much rather take my chances playing online. You see crazier things because you are dealt so many more hands than live games. I stay away from casinos all together its like the saying goes those places aren't built on people winning. The casinos know how to get peoples money.
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Ive played both it would be my opinion live poker is more rigged than online poker. The card shufflers/holder allow the dealer to know where certain cards are in decks and pull them out same with blackjack. If the dealer would hold the cards and deal them out of hand it would be different they use the holders for a reason. Id much rather take my chances playing online. You see crazier things because you are dealt so many more hands than live games. I stay away from casinos all together its like the saying goes those places aren't built on people winning. The casinos know how to get peoples money.
I used to play Pacific Poker, Golden Palace, Full Tilt , Poker Stars and Bodog everyday when it got big 10 years ago. I would play $1/$2 NL Hold em and if I played right I could win $50-$200 every day.
Now if I play this 5Dimes poker I play the same way and would lose by being outdrawn with people playing junk. I quit playing online I don't trust online poker at all.
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I used to play Pacific Poker, Golden Palace, Full Tilt , Poker Stars and Bodog everyday when it got big 10 years ago. I would play $1/$2 NL Hold em and if I played right I could win $50-$200 every day.
Now if I play this 5Dimes poker I play the same way and would lose by being outdrawn with people playing junk. I quit playing online I don't trust online poker at all.
And I'll only waste one sentence on the people here claiming online is rigged. It's not. The end.
Live poker invites both larger opportunities for long term variance as well as larger opportunities to lower variance in different aspects of play.
If anyone uses HUD here, you all understand just how valuable a tool it is, and what it can help you to achieve online. Online there is always a much larger sample of hands played with your opponent. Whether you're playing a single MTT with him at a table for 2 hours or if you've logged 50,000 hands with him over the course of a year. There is a wealth of information just waiting to be tabulated. You can pick up on opening %s, 3bet %s, 3bet/fold tendencies preflop. Defend %s and so much more. When you have this information available at your fingertips it's a lot easier to decide what to do with these marginal spots you find yourself just about every single MTT. So for online poker, you're able to play more hands with players...and play more MTTs per session obviously...two terrific ways to limit luck's influence on your ROI.
Live is a LOT less hands obviously. A LOT less MTTs you're capable of playing per year. So players without a strong plan in place can go broke MUCH easier live then online. Even the truly gifted players who enjoy ridiculous lifetime ROIs. The best player in the world can go on months-year stretches of downswings simply with a little run bad. These swings are frustrating to the best of them and crippling to the the rest. However, within live poker...there is a terrific opportunity for the strong players to read their opponents and table play well enough to garner a competitive edge. Due to the lack of hands, a little well placed aggression coupled with strong observational skills and a keen memory can really separate the men from the boys at the table. You can find yourself playing a live MTT and not having placed every last chip of yours at risk once until the FT. Chipping up is MUCH easier to accomplish live then online now. Back in 03-06' a lot of innovative players decided to change the game online and really showed everyone how to pick spots to chip up online...but as a result, those spots are seemingly rarer and rarer these days. There's just too much information out there and too much high-level play. Online poker basically evolves itself every six months or so now...want proof?
Go back and try to remember when everyone was opening 3x for all their opens...and how often simple 3bets got through with zero play back online. How infrequently a 4bet pre didn't take down the pot right there. These days you're seeing 5 and 6 bets pre from aggro players that are calculated against other player's tendencies and aggression. Go google Pokerstars WSOOP FT feeds over the years and watch the play deltas.
Both games are terrific and pretty in their own ways. Both games can be profitable. It's up to you to decide.
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The games are completely different animals.
And I'll only waste one sentence on the people here claiming online is rigged. It's not. The end.
Live poker invites both larger opportunities for long term variance as well as larger opportunities to lower variance in different aspects of play.
If anyone uses HUD here, you all understand just how valuable a tool it is, and what it can help you to achieve online. Online there is always a much larger sample of hands played with your opponent. Whether you're playing a single MTT with him at a table for 2 hours or if you've logged 50,000 hands with him over the course of a year. There is a wealth of information just waiting to be tabulated. You can pick up on opening %s, 3bet %s, 3bet/fold tendencies preflop. Defend %s and so much more. When you have this information available at your fingertips it's a lot easier to decide what to do with these marginal spots you find yourself just about every single MTT. So for online poker, you're able to play more hands with players...and play more MTTs per session obviously...two terrific ways to limit luck's influence on your ROI.
Live is a LOT less hands obviously. A LOT less MTTs you're capable of playing per year. So players without a strong plan in place can go broke MUCH easier live then online. Even the truly gifted players who enjoy ridiculous lifetime ROIs. The best player in the world can go on months-year stretches of downswings simply with a little run bad. These swings are frustrating to the best of them and crippling to the the rest. However, within live poker...there is a terrific opportunity for the strong players to read their opponents and table play well enough to garner a competitive edge. Due to the lack of hands, a little well placed aggression coupled with strong observational skills and a keen memory can really separate the men from the boys at the table. You can find yourself playing a live MTT and not having placed every last chip of yours at risk once until the FT. Chipping up is MUCH easier to accomplish live then online now. Back in 03-06' a lot of innovative players decided to change the game online and really showed everyone how to pick spots to chip up online...but as a result, those spots are seemingly rarer and rarer these days. There's just too much information out there and too much high-level play. Online poker basically evolves itself every six months or so now...want proof?
Go back and try to remember when everyone was opening 3x for all their opens...and how often simple 3bets got through with zero play back online. How infrequently a 4bet pre didn't take down the pot right there. These days you're seeing 5 and 6 bets pre from aggro players that are calculated against other player's tendencies and aggression. Go google Pokerstars WSOOP FT feeds over the years and watch the play deltas.
Both games are terrific and pretty in their own ways. Both games can be profitable. It's up to you to decide.
I think the notion of online players are better is insanity. that being said to me the number of hands being generated at any given time online will cause the more volatile game.
As far as fixed I don't think it is ,but the fact that there is software to tell you how much I play how much I fold preflop ,showdown, Bluffs ect.. the fact that these types of stats are at someones disposal ,while they play against you is kinda fixed..The fact that someone has software that plays 10 games at once at optimal play is a form of fixed Kinda like the New England Pats way of cheating legally
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I think the notion of online players are better is insanity. that being said to me the number of hands being generated at any given time online will cause the more volatile game.
As far as fixed I don't think it is ,but the fact that there is software to tell you how much I play how much I fold preflop ,showdown, Bluffs ect.. the fact that these types of stats are at someones disposal ,while they play against you is kinda fixed..The fact that someone has software that plays 10 games at once at optimal play is a form of fixed Kinda like the New England Pats way of cheating legally
i like online poker but for any real money i choose only live legal settings. Pureplay is fun i frequent the site won a few dollars but after the burning full tilt and ub gave me i refuse to pay real money to play online poker.
i do play live games but they are not as convient but it is truely are imho straight up game. the house takes a rake and tipping the dealer does lower the amounnt the gamblers will eventual be able but the deal is fair and there is no back door to seeing your hold cards. connections dont fail to push you from the pot.
noone has a running calculator dealing with your handle what your bet is and the percentage that you have a best hand or bluffing.
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i like online poker but for any real money i choose only live legal settings. Pureplay is fun i frequent the site won a few dollars but after the burning full tilt and ub gave me i refuse to pay real money to play online poker.
i do play live games but they are not as convient but it is truely are imho straight up game. the house takes a rake and tipping the dealer does lower the amounnt the gamblers will eventual be able but the deal is fair and there is no back door to seeing your hold cards. connections dont fail to push you from the pot.
noone has a running calculator dealing with your handle what your bet is and the percentage that you have a best hand or bluffing.
I am a complete newbie and I have no rights to share my views here now. I have started my journey through online poker and completely satisfied with this. I hope, others will also find this online poker safe and secured.
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I am a complete newbie and I have no rights to share my views here now. I have started my journey through online poker and completely satisfied with this. I hope, others will also find this online poker safe and secured.
I dont know how anyone trusts online poker... humans rig everything the lotto, the Market... anything they can... and that garbage is even regulated... I play fantasy, cuz I figure im not getting screwed unless peyton manning is on fanduel's payroll and even then the consequence of that would be limited... I also gamble online, even though I really dont trust that either, since I'm pretty sure if I ever hit a stupid 50k parlay or something the site could tell me to just go darn off... But trusting a computer to anonymously deal me a river card is a little too much for me to fully accept... Do what I do, Play Fan Duel, Fly to vegas for 50-75$ for a day or 2 and bet on games... Play live poker at your local casinos... Best options for not being F'ed over
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I dont know how anyone trusts online poker... humans rig everything the lotto, the Market... anything they can... and that garbage is even regulated... I play fantasy, cuz I figure im not getting screwed unless peyton manning is on fanduel's payroll and even then the consequence of that would be limited... I also gamble online, even though I really dont trust that either, since I'm pretty sure if I ever hit a stupid 50k parlay or something the site could tell me to just go darn off... But trusting a computer to anonymously deal me a river card is a little too much for me to fully accept... Do what I do, Play Fan Duel, Fly to vegas for 50-75$ for a day or 2 and bet on games... Play live poker at your local casinos... Best options for not being F'ed over
before jumping to "is it or isn't X rigged" I would evaluate your play and see if you have a leak in your online game versus live (for example, maybe your starting hand requirements open or tighten up; perhaps your playing at sub-optimal times/lengths etc). Evaluate your play and see if tweaking online is in order before coming to the conclusion that your play is 100% consistent between live and online which could only mean someone is cheating.
GL OP
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before jumping to "is it or isn't X rigged" I would evaluate your play and see if you have a leak in your online game versus live (for example, maybe your starting hand requirements open or tighten up; perhaps your playing at sub-optimal times/lengths etc). Evaluate your play and see if tweaking online is in order before coming to the conclusion that your play is 100% consistent between live and online which could only mean someone is cheating.
I prefer online live poker, when dealers in a real time are doing their job. It just the same as real life poker but betting at home. You can be cheated in a real life casino as well. As for online poker - it is a scam!
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I prefer online live poker, when dealers in a real time are doing their job. It just the same as real life poker but betting at home. You can be cheated in a real life casino as well. As for online poker - it is a scam!
I used to play Pacific Poker, Golden Palace, Full Tilt , Poker Stars and Bodog everyday when it got big 10 years ago. I would play $1/$2 NL Hold em and if I played right I could win $50-$200 every day.
Now if I play this 5Dimes poker I play the same way and would lose by being outdrawn with people playing junk. I quit playing online I don't trust online poker at all.
Playing the same way now as you did 10 years ago is the real problem.
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Quote Originally Posted by themaceo:
I used to play Pacific Poker, Golden Palace, Full Tilt , Poker Stars and Bodog everyday when it got big 10 years ago. I would play $1/$2 NL Hold em and if I played right I could win $50-$200 every day.
Now if I play this 5Dimes poker I play the same way and would lose by being outdrawn with people playing junk. I quit playing online I don't trust online poker at all.
Playing the same way now as you did 10 years ago is the real problem.
im better at live than online for some reason. i feel like playing in person is an essential dimension of poker. i can do the math and all but the physical presence to see someone doing the motions, i feel, should be a definitive part of the game.
in any case, i don't play for money (due to me being unskilled). i play for the love of the game and it just ain't the same.
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im better at live than online for some reason. i feel like playing in person is an essential dimension of poker. i can do the math and all but the physical presence to see someone doing the motions, i feel, should be a definitive part of the game.
in any case, i don't play for money (due to me being unskilled). i play for the love of the game and it just ain't the same.
I prefer real life poker. For assurance that there will be no anomalies while playing poker. Computer world is a very broad place where other people can invade secured places if they want to.
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I prefer real life poker. For assurance that there will be no anomalies while playing poker. Computer world is a very broad place where other people can invade secured places if they want to.
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