got this idea for a thread from the one about a book for new players. theres 2 things right off the bat that will help your actual play.
1. play in position: acting after the opponent is such a huge advantage you dont even realize it till you actually play a few times. its kinda like home court in college basketball.
2. get used to the flop textures: if the flop is 910a with 2 hearts and someone calls they are probably calling with a draw and if you have a big hand you want to end this as quickly as possible. if the flop is k73 all different suits and you get called most likely they are either trapping with a set or they have a king.
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got this idea for a thread from the one about a book for new players. theres 2 things right off the bat that will help your actual play.
1. play in position: acting after the opponent is such a huge advantage you dont even realize it till you actually play a few times. its kinda like home court in college basketball.
2. get used to the flop textures: if the flop is 910a with 2 hearts and someone calls they are probably calling with a draw and if you have a big hand you want to end this as quickly as possible. if the flop is k73 all different suits and you get called most likely they are either trapping with a set or they have a king.
and a bonus tip number 3: stay away from "TV" play
dont try and do anything fancy. keep it simple. tournaments and cash games you will be in are not like the world series of pokers. these guys have had hours upon hours of play with their opponents when they make a sick call with 3rd pair on the river or do a great 3 barrel bluff. i see way too many geeky kids try and bluff every single time they are in a pot and go broke.
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and a bonus tip number 3: stay away from "TV" play
dont try and do anything fancy. keep it simple. tournaments and cash games you will be in are not like the world series of pokers. these guys have had hours upon hours of play with their opponents when they make a sick call with 3rd pair on the river or do a great 3 barrel bluff. i see way too many geeky kids try and bluff every single time they are in a pot and go broke.
speaking of 'geeky kids' i was watching the 10k pot limit 2008 wsop event and there were 2 internet players who made final table that the pro's were making fun of. Internet players love to play power poker which can blow up in their face like the first move one of those 2 kids made when he pushed and got called with nothing lol. Not to say internet players aren't good but they seem a very different breed compared to the likes of players like Doyle, Barry, Chip, Daniel, Scotty etc. who just have a nack for knowing when they are beat compared to all the mathematical equations over instincts that goes through the minds of some of these online players.
oh i mos def like tip number 1, position is vital!! not only because it can help in limiting chip loss but you can also determine what hands to play in particular positions eg. Ace with small kicker is better played in late position.
Flop play is also vital once you start learning more of the game, people like Hansen and Negreanu will play garbage hands just because they know how to out play somebody on the flop.
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speaking of 'geeky kids' i was watching the 10k pot limit 2008 wsop event and there were 2 internet players who made final table that the pro's were making fun of. Internet players love to play power poker which can blow up in their face like the first move one of those 2 kids made when he pushed and got called with nothing lol. Not to say internet players aren't good but they seem a very different breed compared to the likes of players like Doyle, Barry, Chip, Daniel, Scotty etc. who just have a nack for knowing when they are beat compared to all the mathematical equations over instincts that goes through the minds of some of these online players.
oh i mos def like tip number 1, position is vital!! not only because it can help in limiting chip loss but you can also determine what hands to play in particular positions eg. Ace with small kicker is better played in late position.
Flop play is also vital once you start learning more of the game, people like Hansen and Negreanu will play garbage hands just because they know how to out play somebody on the flop.
speaking of 'geeky kids' i was watching the 10k pot limit 2008 wsop event and there were 2 internet players who made final table that the pro's were making fun of. Internet players love to play power poker which can blow up in their face like the first move one of those 2 kids made when he pushed and got called with nothing lol. Not to say internet players aren't good but they seem a very different breed compared to the likes of players like Doyle, Barry, Chip, Daniel, Scotty etc. who just have a nack for knowing when they are beat compared to all the mathematical equations over instincts that goes through the minds of some of these online players.
oh i mos def like tip number 1, position is vital!! not only because it can help in limiting chip loss but you can also determine what hands to play in particular positions eg. Ace with small kicker is better played in late position.
Flop play is also vital once you start learning more of the game, people like Hansen and Negreanu will play garbage hands just because they know how to out play somebody on the flop.
ya i saw that too the one gave sexton all his chips. i am very good at math but honestly i do not apply it to poker all that much, i too just have a feel for if i am beat or not.
only thing is i dont advocate beginners trying to outplay other players with bad players even if they have position, this sort of falls into the category of tv play that i was talking about.
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Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:
speaking of 'geeky kids' i was watching the 10k pot limit 2008 wsop event and there were 2 internet players who made final table that the pro's were making fun of. Internet players love to play power poker which can blow up in their face like the first move one of those 2 kids made when he pushed and got called with nothing lol. Not to say internet players aren't good but they seem a very different breed compared to the likes of players like Doyle, Barry, Chip, Daniel, Scotty etc. who just have a nack for knowing when they are beat compared to all the mathematical equations over instincts that goes through the minds of some of these online players.
oh i mos def like tip number 1, position is vital!! not only because it can help in limiting chip loss but you can also determine what hands to play in particular positions eg. Ace with small kicker is better played in late position.
Flop play is also vital once you start learning more of the game, people like Hansen and Negreanu will play garbage hands just because they know how to out play somebody on the flop.
ya i saw that too the one gave sexton all his chips. i am very good at math but honestly i do not apply it to poker all that much, i too just have a feel for if i am beat or not.
only thing is i dont advocate beginners trying to outplay other players with bad players even if they have position, this sort of falls into the category of tv play that i was talking about.
just real quickly a flush is about 33% if u get to see the last 2 cards after the flop a straight is about 30% (assume you have four to the flush and 4 consecutive to the straight such as 78910). hitting a set on the flop is about 7 to 1 odds (usually i try to not get involved a with a pair that costs more tehn 10% of my chips where i would need the set to win most likely). making a pair is 3 to 1 about. theres just some quick ones.
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just real quickly a flush is about 33% if u get to see the last 2 cards after the flop a straight is about 30% (assume you have four to the flush and 4 consecutive to the straight such as 78910). hitting a set on the flop is about 7 to 1 odds (usually i try to not get involved a with a pair that costs more tehn 10% of my chips where i would need the set to win most likely). making a pair is 3 to 1 about. theres just some quick ones.
a quick way to calculate outs, after the flop divide your outs by 22, say 14 outs w/ a pair or a flush draw after the flop, that's about 60% to hit. (you have 2 shots to hit it, turn and river) 8 outs w/ an open ended straight draw, about 33 %. After the turn, divide your outs by 45, say 15 outs, about 33%, 8 outs for a straight, about 18%.You will see these odds on the TV poker shows and you can learn from them. You will get a feel for this after awhile also, you just want to put yourself in positions where there enough chips in the pot to justify your move - say you are 3 to 1 to make the hand, but the pot is giving you 6 times your bet, it's a good move in the long run. In limit I will chase sometimes when I have a few backdoor draws, and then I hit a flush, and drag a huge pot, and people are like , "How can you call the flop there?" , and I'm just like, you have to feel it.
A note about outs though, these are cards that you will likely win with, of course someone could have you drawing dead, or have a better draw than you, and you are SOL, but you are using incomplete information, so you have to figure the best way you can.
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a quick way to calculate outs, after the flop divide your outs by 22, say 14 outs w/ a pair or a flush draw after the flop, that's about 60% to hit. (you have 2 shots to hit it, turn and river) 8 outs w/ an open ended straight draw, about 33 %. After the turn, divide your outs by 45, say 15 outs, about 33%, 8 outs for a straight, about 18%.You will see these odds on the TV poker shows and you can learn from them. You will get a feel for this after awhile also, you just want to put yourself in positions where there enough chips in the pot to justify your move - say you are 3 to 1 to make the hand, but the pot is giving you 6 times your bet, it's a good move in the long run. In limit I will chase sometimes when I have a few backdoor draws, and then I hit a flush, and drag a huge pot, and people are like , "How can you call the flop there?" , and I'm just like, you have to feel it.
A note about outs though, these are cards that you will likely win with, of course someone could have you drawing dead, or have a better draw than you, and you are SOL, but you are using incomplete information, so you have to figure the best way you can.
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