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slayeralph

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 12:34 PM ET #176

Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

ashdogs, only 3 intentional fouls were commited, all of them in the final minute of the game. Most of the rest of the fouls were seemingly committed by The Invisible Man, a character who evidently never fouls out.

rasheed wallace hes never commited one..

HoldEm00

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 12:35 PM ET #177

what about the two baskets late in the game where they called offensive goaltending and another one with the offensive foul???????

you dont know what your talking about you pathetic loser.

IF I Win im a genious

if i lose well then uh.....uh..... uh.... IT WAS FIXED!

Golferman

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 12:45 PM ET #178

It may have (probably was) a fix last night, but the last 4 games in Denver were over games with an average score of 223.5. Also a strong system with Utah (16-1OVER) that predicted an over play in that game last night. Coincidence? Maybe. We all know the officials are crooked, so sometimes you just have to be lucky enough to have their side.

Golferman

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 12:48 PM ET #179

Quote Originally Posted by pucku27:

GUYS THESE TWO TEAMS HAVE PLAYED EACH OTHER 4 TIMES THIS YEAR . FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON UTAH WON 98 - 94 56 FTS GAME 2 DEN 117 - 97 78 FTS GAME 3 UTAH 97 - 91 73 FTS GAME 4 DEN 114-104 86 FTS THEY AVG 73 FTS AGAME. SO LAST NIGHT THEY TOOK 13 MORE FTS THEN THEY AVG IN THE 4 GAMES

NO BIG DEAL

IT WASNT FIX

STOP CRYING BATOR

Good points Puck, that go along with my post above! Which is why I am happy today because I had the over!!!

jcilla

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 12:49 PM ET #180

Quote Originally Posted by pucku27:

NO BIG DEAL

IT WASNT FIX

STOP CRYING BATOR

Actually the 1st 3 averaged equal 69, making it 17 more free throws than average. It's kind of discouraging when you think you're on the right side with an under and 65 of the total points are scored by free throws. That's 30% of the TOTAL points scored.

leonme4u

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 1:13 PM ET #181

I had UTAH and OVER on this game, got a push. I thought I would loose both ways by half time. At the end did it seem like they were also trying to get UTAH to cover +5.5???

Also lost big last night on the Under in the PHILLY game which went over by 2.

Conspiracy Confirmed time after time.

JEG53

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 2:01 PM ET #182

Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

And I'd like some medication that could make me forget last night's robbery, but I don't have a prescription.

I DO

Addict101

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 2:04 PM ET #183

What was really was alarming was the point movement and 2nd half point spread noted in other threads here.

I've see dozens of terrible calls in each and every game for the past 3 weeks. I'm at a point where don't even want to watch much of the NBA games anymore.

PS, it's been a long season and the players, refs, and bettors are showing fatigue.

andarmac99

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 2:06 PM ET #184

I just looked back at a couple of Eric Lewis' games from this season.

One I remember well was on February 24th when the Rockets hosted the Blazers as the line opened -4 and I played the Rockets minus the 4. The line soon went up to 4.5 and stayed there most of the day. Portland battled hard but with 2.7 seconds left or something like that left and the game over with the Rockets up by a full 6, there was a horseshit foul called on Ron Artest and Steve Blake drained both FT's giving me a push and fucking bigtime anyone who has Houston -4. It was a horseshit call and even more infuriating was that on the ensuing in bounds play the Blazers didn't even move to try to foul which suggests they had already quit prior to the horseshit call. Although there was nothing to suggest the fix was in beforehand with previous calls, it is still infuriating.

Here's an interesting one from just last week: March 25th Toronto hosts Milwaukee. The Raptors are 4 point home favorites, the interesting part is they get FORTY free throw attempts while the Bucks get NINE. When was the last time an NBA team got over 4 times more throw attempts or 31 more attempts than another? The crazy part the Bucks weren't on their last legs either as they hadn't played in the previous 3 days! While in the Raptors previous game they only got to the line 15 times. Oh yeah Toronto beat Milwaukke by 9 points covering the 4 point spread.

You could proabably argue many games like this involving many officials but nevertheless it is interesting.......

JEG53

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 2:32 PM ET #185

Quote Originally Posted by PrenticeGT:

I love how when every other person in this forum crys "FIX!" everyone bashes the hell out of them. But when the "HALL OF FAMER" MrBator says it's a fix IT MUST BE A FIX. You people are sad.

Im the last person that you should say that about,ask him how much I disagree with his posts,but if it looks like a duck moron.

I signed up to USA off that link,Im going to ask them guys what they thought of last nights game,lol

icemantbi

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 2:32 PM ET #186

Here's a scenario for you (Dollar amounts might be off, I don't know how much NBA refs make in a year):

NBA Referee lives in a $300,000.00 house, with a high maintenance wife. NBA ref is mortgaged to the hilt. His investments went bad with the economic downturn. Credit card bills are piling up. April 1st rolls around, gets a call from his bank. He's missed 3 or 4 mortgage payments and the bank is getting antsy. So what does said NBA ref do? I'll let you figure that out.

Does it happen like that, I don't know. Can it happen like that? Absolutely.

GEB11

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 3:42 PM ET #187

as an fyi games that Joey Crawford or S Foster officiate they go over 67% of the time!

calicappin

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 3:44 PM ET #188

Alright, time to move on .. trying to forget about this game. quit bumpin the thread

GEB11

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 3:51 PM ET #189

Calicappin I hear ya! New night new games!

ramper71

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 4:13 PM ET #190

I follow your anger...I have been suspicious many times...In this game I was on the over...big on the over...The number was right supporting the stats, but I must say I was concerned early on that the score would never reach the total...At the 2 min mark I went to make a sandwich...WOW, it cleared by 10 pts...r

dominican88

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 4:48 PM ET #191

lol...no offense Mr. Bator, but if this was someone else who had started this thread, you'd be the first one in here with a smart ass comment, telling them your crazy...

LetsDoThisRight

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 4:53 PM ET #192

I want more people to watch this (I copy and pasted it from another thread). It's just for entertainment purposes.

Anyway, I found something somewhat funny. Or at least I thought it was.

Check out this video link from the Bucks vs Raptors game. At 1:34 in the video, you can see Eric Lewis (the referee) on the baseline CLAP. Ha, I don't know. It was just funny to me, that just as Marion's shot went up, the ref claps???? Is that normal? Is that just a typical human reaction? I played it at least 20 times.

I don't know if there really is anything to make of this, other than a "hmmm, why'd he do that?" remark. Andarmac described in another thread how the Raptors shot 40 free throws compared to the Bucks 9, and how the Raptors covered, and the total went over.

https://www.nba.com/video/games/raptors/2009/03/25/nba_mil_tor_0020801063_recap.nba/index.html

gollum

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 4:54 PM ET #193

Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

Why? Why do they "have to be smarter than that"? Who's going to complain about an over/under being manipulated? The home team? No. The visiting team? No. The fans at the game? No, not if they aren't betting on over/unders. So who's going to raise a fuss over the total being fixed in an NBA game, even a nationally televised one? Only us, the bettors. And how far will our fussing go? Pretty much nowhere. We'll bitch about it for a day, no one that matters will pay any attention, and today we'll all go back to betting and the matter fades away.

So why they should the refs, or whoever's paying them, worry about consequences? There aren't any. Officiating a basketball game is too arbitrary. Even if the NBA league office in New York decided to take a closer look at the replays of certain games, how can they prove that a series of terrible calls during the course of a game indicated a fixed outcome? And even if they knew, they have all the motivation in the world to never let that become publicly known. NEVER.

donaghy got 15 months in prison did he not? it just doesn't make sense to me why they would pick the national televised games to fix. Is it just a big F you to the league or are you saying it happens in every game. I do agree if the league knew they would do everything they could to keep it out of the public eye, but I want to believe there isn't that much corruption in the NBA. I don't know but it just doesn't make sense to me, I guess im not a slimy cock sucking game fixer tho so who knows what games they decide to fix if any.

LetsDoThisRight

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 4:58 PM ET #194

Quote Originally Posted by LetsDoThisRight:

I want more people to watch this (I copy and pasted it from another thread). It's just for entertainment purposes.

Anyway, I found something somewhat funny. Or at least I thought it was.

https://www.nba.com/video/games/raptors/2009/03/25/nba_mil_tor_0020801063_recap.nba/index.html

Someone please watch this link! Ha. Look at him CLAP! He CLAPS as a shot goes up. CLAPS!

robertgould79

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 4:59 PM ET #195

I hate the word fixed...it sucks. We all suffer bad beats that certainly seem "fixed" at the time though...lol.

The 1 takeaway from this game that I had...and I didn't have 1 cent on it....was HOW MUCH INFLUENCE THE REFS REALLY DO HAVE ON A GAME TOTAL. I completely understand that these 2 teams historically play games with lots of foul shots...but if you watched this game...they were calling fouls for nothing. It was really....REALLY bad. No....the game wasn't fixed....but it was just TERRIBLE officiating. The final 3 minutes...honestly...the whistle blew every 20-30 seconds. and 75% of the fouls were off-the-ball fouls. It was all very strange to tell you the truth.

But the bottom line....it really showed me that YES.....refs could very easily influence a game over without any doubt or anybody noticing. Kinda scary if you think about it...lol.

pezeveng

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 5:06 PM ET #196

it was a disgusting game, look at Barkleys reaction at the end where he's yawning he knew something was up.

He had that look like now they are making it too obvious. The foul call on the layups were disguting.

pezeveng

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 5:07 PM ET #197

it was a disgusting game, look at Barkleys reaction at the end where he's yawning he knew something was up.

He had that look like now they are making it too obvious. The foul call on the layups were disguting.

pezeveng

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 5:16 PM ET #198

Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

I am dying to know the inside story of how an over fix like Jazz/Nuggets gets arranged. I am convinced that it happened, and the details would be completely intriguing. Who's really behind it? Is it the offshore books? Is it one offshore book? Is it a betting syndicate? Is it the NBA itself? Hey, why not? Talk about NEVER getting busted!

And how much money are they making? Who's connected to the referees themselves? And how much do the cheating scumbag zebras make for getting the game over the total?

So many more questions........

I'd put money down that its a betting syndicate that has major money on the game on many accounts and in many places.

Gold_Rush

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 5:33 PM ET #199

This thread needs to keep going and going and going

kinda like the energizer bunny

If you watched the Super Bowl, and I know that you did

you would have seen the " Fix " in the biggest game on the planet

There was clipping on the 100 yard run back at the end of the play

The same player threw a punch at someone and did not get ejected

Calls or Non Calls have been a part of sports forever

It is the nature of the beast.

Like Denver vs San Diego- the game where the refs helped SAN DIEGO march down the field with 4 calls. Obviously they were making up for the Hoculi call in the previous game

2 wrongs do not make a right . I posted on that game as i was sick to my stomach- no matter how much it happens I will never get used to it - as hard as I try.

Never bet too much money on any given game if you are not prepared to lose it at the hands of the officials.

IT HAPPENS- GET OVER IT

BEST OF LUCK

Crowkillers

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Posted: Apr. 3, 2009 - 5:43 PM ET #200

Too bad redpanda got banned, I would like to hear his take on this.

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