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    westcoastTrojan
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2007 - 4:43 PM ET #226

    I just don't understand how some of these idiots make these ridiculous comments about him. I, for one, don't like Kobe, but come on, I won't let my personal feelings affect how I really feel about him.
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    I just don't understand how some of these idiots make these ridiculous comments about him. I, for one, don't like Kobe, but come on, I won't let my personal feelings affect how I really feel about him.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2007 - 4:52 PM ET #227

    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

    I just don't understand how some of these idiots make these ridiculous comments about him. I, for one, don't like Kobe, but come on, I won't let my personal feelings affect how I really feel about him.




    Now I've heard it all.  Phil Jackson and Tex Winter (both coaching LEGENDS) are now making ridiculous comments about players they coach night in and night out for years.

    Funniest comment since Rasheed Wallace's "guaranSHEED"
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    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

    I just don't understand how some of these idiots make these ridiculous comments about him. I, for one, don't like Kobe, but come on, I won't let my personal feelings affect how I really feel about him.




    Now I've heard it all.  Phil Jackson and Tex Winter (both coaching LEGENDS) are now making ridiculous comments about players they coach night in and night out for years.

    Funniest comment since Rasheed Wallace's "guaranSHEED"
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2007 - 4:52 PM ET #228

    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:




             From LA Lakers' assistant Coach Tex Winter -

               Winter also admits that Bryant abandons aspects of the triangle offense with some regularity. But that's             not Winter's main complaint with the guard:

    "I'd like to see him play better defense," Winter said, adding that he had addressed the issue recently with Bryant but didn't come away with the idea that Bryant was intent on changing his approach. (Sounds like Tex Winter is a no knowledge, hater)

    "You know Kobe," Winter said with a chuckle. "He has his game plan. (Proving Bryant is not coachable) I think he heard me. But he feels there's a certain way he's got to play the game. But it doesn't involve a lot of basically sound defense." (Sure looks like a great defender to me)

    Because the Lakers need so much of his effort at the offensive end, Bryant has adopted a save-energy plan on the defensive end, Winter said. "He's basically playing a lot of one-man zone. He's doing a lot of switching, zoning up, trying to come up with the interception.

    "The way Kobe plays defensively affects the team," Winter added. "Anybody that doesn't play consistently good defense hurts the team. ( Definitely a hater now.  Doesnt he know Bryant is a lock down defender?  John Hollinger says so )

    From Coach Phil Jackson -


    "Obviously, to a person that has been watching the games, it shows that his defense has slipped." (UH OH.  Phil Jackson is LYING to the press once again.)  
    Bryant has had operations on his knees and it's harder for him to get into a defensive stance.

    "He likes to roam and take risks which can be good at times but not always.  He's not picking up steals like he used to." (But Hollinger says he's the 2nd best at SG in the NBA )

    Bryant doesn't move laterally as well as he used to without a drop step because of knee tendinitis.

    From Coach Michael Cooper -

    Cooper was asked to name the best defender on the Lakers.

    "Luke Walton is very good," Cooper said. "Smush Parker is decent."

    And that was it. (LOL... Not even mention as tops on the team.  But I guess Cooper was a hater as well because well all know he didnt know anything about defense. )

    So yeah, I think its safe to say that just like hustle_man, those NBA veteran coaches and players ( all three of which have NBA championships) have no idea what they are talking about.

    It was easy to prove westcoasttrojan wrong before but now its getting as easy as it is for a grown man to beat a toddler in 21. Give it up kid, you've been banned from any basketball related conversation.


     
    You're an absolute joke, KID. What Tex is saying he thinks Kobe SHOULD be a better defender!  He's not saying he's terrible, he just wants to see more out of him. Isn;t that what coaches do, always expect more out of a player? What coach will say, man, he's playing as good as I can ever expect out of him? Huh? That article proves how great Kobe was on defense!  All those comments were followed up with the fact that he was coming off knee surgery, and is not as quick as he once was. But no, Mr Hustleman, king of basketball, thinks Kobe has been a terrible defender throughout his career! You are the only one who thinks Kobe plays ABSOLUTELY no defense, and thats as ridiculous as your Vick comment. Your expectations of him proves how good you think Kobe is. Think about it, KID, dude scores a ton of points, and you still want him to play GREAT defense. I bet this guy, Hollinger, assessment that he was the 3rd best DEFENDER at shooting guard this season means nothing, huh? If anybody is a kid, its you. How could a 21 or 22 year old kid ask me who I think was better between Magic, West, and Kobe? So now you're an expert about those other 2 because you saw Magic in his prime when you were 2 years old, and saw videos of West? Don't even try to talk to me about Magic. Keep it up fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:




             From LA Lakers' assistant Coach Tex Winter -

               Winter also admits that Bryant abandons aspects of the triangle offense with some regularity. But that's             not Winter's main complaint with the guard:

    "I'd like to see him play better defense," Winter said, adding that he had addressed the issue recently with Bryant but didn't come away with the idea that Bryant was intent on changing his approach. (Sounds like Tex Winter is a no knowledge, hater)

    "You know Kobe," Winter said with a chuckle. "He has his game plan. (Proving Bryant is not coachable) I think he heard me. But he feels there's a certain way he's got to play the game. But it doesn't involve a lot of basically sound defense." (Sure looks like a great defender to me)

    Because the Lakers need so much of his effort at the offensive end, Bryant has adopted a save-energy plan on the defensive end, Winter said. "He's basically playing a lot of one-man zone. He's doing a lot of switching, zoning up, trying to come up with the interception.

    "The way Kobe plays defensively affects the team," Winter added. "Anybody that doesn't play consistently good defense hurts the team. ( Definitely a hater now.  Doesnt he know Bryant is a lock down defender?  John Hollinger says so )

    From Coach Phil Jackson -


    "Obviously, to a person that has been watching the games, it shows that his defense has slipped." (UH OH.  Phil Jackson is LYING to the press once again.)  
    Bryant has had operations on his knees and it's harder for him to get into a defensive stance.

    "He likes to roam and take risks which can be good at times but not always.  He's not picking up steals like he used to." (But Hollinger says he's the 2nd best at SG in the NBA )

    Bryant doesn't move laterally as well as he used to without a drop step because of knee tendinitis.

    From Coach Michael Cooper -

    Cooper was asked to name the best defender on the Lakers.

    "Luke Walton is very good," Cooper said. "Smush Parker is decent."

    And that was it. (LOL... Not even mention as tops on the team.  But I guess Cooper was a hater as well because well all know he didnt know anything about defense. )

    So yeah, I think its safe to say that just like hustle_man, those NBA veteran coaches and players ( all three of which have NBA championships) have no idea what they are talking about.

    It was easy to prove westcoasttrojan wrong before but now its getting as easy as it is for a grown man to beat a toddler in 21. Give it up kid, you've been banned from any basketball related conversation.


     
    You're an absolute joke, KID. What Tex is saying he thinks Kobe SHOULD be a better defender!  He's not saying he's terrible, he just wants to see more out of him. Isn;t that what coaches do, always expect more out of a player? What coach will say, man, he's playing as good as I can ever expect out of him? Huh? That article proves how great Kobe was on defense!  All those comments were followed up with the fact that he was coming off knee surgery, and is not as quick as he once was. But no, Mr Hustleman, king of basketball, thinks Kobe has been a terrible defender throughout his career! You are the only one who thinks Kobe plays ABSOLUTELY no defense, and thats as ridiculous as your Vick comment. Your expectations of him proves how good you think Kobe is. Think about it, KID, dude scores a ton of points, and you still want him to play GREAT defense. I bet this guy, Hollinger, assessment that he was the 3rd best DEFENDER at shooting guard this season means nothing, huh? If anybody is a kid, its you. How could a 21 or 22 year old kid ask me who I think was better between Magic, West, and Kobe? So now you're an expert about those other 2 because you saw Magic in his prime when you were 2 years old, and saw videos of West? Don't even try to talk to me about Magic. Keep it up fraud.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2007 - 4:54 PM ET #229

    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:





    Now I've heard it all.  Phil Jackson and Tex Winter (both coaching LEGENDS) are now making ridiculous comments about players they coach night in and night out for years.

    Funniest comment since Rasheed Wallace's "guaranSHEED"
     
    Hey, stupid shit, if you asked those 2 who were the 2 best players they've coached, Kobe would be an easy #2 choice. I dont' even know Tex's career, but I'm pretty sure Kobe would be his 2nd choice. You think they would have said Lamar?  LOL!!! 
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    Now I've heard it all.  Phil Jackson and Tex Winter (both coaching LEGENDS) are now making ridiculous comments about players they coach night in and night out for years.

    Funniest comment since Rasheed Wallace's "guaranSHEED"
     
    Hey, stupid shit, if you asked those 2 who were the 2 best players they've coached, Kobe would be an easy #2 choice. I dont' even know Tex's career, but I'm pretty sure Kobe would be his 2nd choice. You think they would have said Lamar?  LOL!!! 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2007 - 4:55 PM ET #230

    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

     
    Hey, stupid shit, if you asked those 2 who were the 2 best players they've coached, Kobe would be an easy #2 choice. I dont' even know Tex's career, but I'm pretty sure Kobe would be his 2nd choice. You think they would have said Lamar?  LOL!!! 
     
    Actually, they would probably say Shaq, which I wouldn't disagree with. Being 3rd on that list is not too shabby. I wonder if Odom would crack the top 10?
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    Hey, stupid shit, if you asked those 2 who were the 2 best players they've coached, Kobe would be an easy #2 choice. I dont' even know Tex's career, but I'm pretty sure Kobe would be his 2nd choice. You think they would have said Lamar?  LOL!!! 
     
    Actually, they would probably say Shaq, which I wouldn't disagree with. Being 3rd on that list is not too shabby. I wonder if Odom would crack the top 10?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2007 - 10:47 PM ET #231

    Although it was stated that the FADE train would be retired after the end of the regular season, Game 1 of the LA Lakers - Phoenix Suns 1st round series showed that it is not over yet.

    LA Lakers @ Phoenix Suns -9 Total 207

    In my opinion, despite the injuries to key players like Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom and the fact that Smush Parker is in the dog house, the Lakers still have enough to compete.  But that is only if they play team basketball. I'm sure Phil Jackson will adjust but how long with it last with the Lakers' lack of team play?  Let's watch and see if the FADE train will start again tonight.


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    Although it was stated that the FADE train would be retired after the end of the regular season, Game 1 of the LA Lakers - Phoenix Suns 1st round series showed that it is not over yet.

    LA Lakers @ Phoenix Suns -9 Total 207

    In my opinion, despite the injuries to key players like Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom and the fact that Smush Parker is in the dog house, the Lakers still have enough to compete.  But that is only if they play team basketball. I'm sure Phil Jackson will adjust but how long with it last with the Lakers' lack of team play?  Let's watch and see if the FADE train will start again tonight.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2007 - 1:40 AM ET #232

    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:

    Although it was stated that the FADE train would be retired after the end of the regular season, Game 1 of the LA Lakers - Phoenix Suns 1st round series showed that it is not over yet.



    It's starting to get about as predictable as the weather in the summer time.  I bumped this thread because I saw the FADE train would be returning for Game 2 and not only did it return but it came back tearing up the tracks!

    Interesting comments by the players on the team after the game. I wonder which player is going to come out and say what the problem is first?

    Fading the Lakers
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    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:

    Although it was stated that the FADE train would be retired after the end of the regular season, Game 1 of the LA Lakers - Phoenix Suns 1st round series showed that it is not over yet.



    It's starting to get about as predictable as the weather in the summer time.  I bumped this thread because I saw the FADE train would be returning for Game 2 and not only did it return but it came back tearing up the tracks!

    Interesting comments by the players on the team after the game. I wonder which player is going to come out and say what the problem is first?

    Fading the Lakers
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2007 - 1:42 AM ET #233

    Hustleman,

    So how did you grade Shaq and Wade's performance today???
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    Hustleman,

    So how did you grade Shaq and Wade's performance today???
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2007 - 1:46 AM ET #234

    I must admit.  I'm shocked to see this many threads made about bashing the Lakers for tonight's non cover.  Let's face it guys, instead of bashing the team, they should be applauded.  They're only a .500 team. They play in a very tough Western conference.   They dont have a franchise player (when some teams like Denver and Houston have 2). This is a team full of young players and guys that dont know how to lead so what do you expect against arguably the best team in the league?  If they had a legit star like Tim Duncan and got their butts kicked then I'd understand the frustration but this is a team that has lost more games than they have won without Shaquille O'Neal.

    Give it a rest and FADE them into profit.    
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    I must admit.  I'm shocked to see this many threads made about bashing the Lakers for tonight's non cover.  Let's face it guys, instead of bashing the team, they should be applauded.  They're only a .500 team. They play in a very tough Western conference.   They dont have a franchise player (when some teams like Denver and Houston have 2). This is a team full of young players and guys that dont know how to lead so what do you expect against arguably the best team in the league?  If they had a legit star like Tim Duncan and got their butts kicked then I'd understand the frustration but this is a team that has lost more games than they have won without Shaquille O'Neal.

    Give it a rest and FADE them into profit.    
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardtonsj:

    Hustleman,

    So how did you grade Shaq and Wade's performance today???


    Another example of why the FADE train will never lose all of its steam.  Guys are so in denial about the Lakers being a team full of second rate players that they want to switch the topic in a thread that has no relevence to the Miami Heat.

    If you want my opinion on Miami Heat basketball, start a thread on the topic and I'll be more than happy to comment.
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    Hustleman,

    So how did you grade Shaq and Wade's performance today???


    Another example of why the FADE train will never lose all of its steam.  Guys are so in denial about the Lakers being a team full of second rate players that they want to switch the topic in a thread that has no relevence to the Miami Heat.

    If you want my opinion on Miami Heat basketball, start a thread on the topic and I'll be more than happy to comment.
     
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    Post game comments from Game 2:

    "It was really embarrassing to come in here and lose such an important game the way we lost it," Odom said. "...We need to think about some things as a team. It's kind of sad, but I don't know that we're as close as a team right now as far as camaraderie and things like that. That's the only way you lose games like this -- when you're not close."

    I wonder why Lamar thinks the team isnt close.  Is it due to what the media reports?  Is it due to the fact that certain players handicap the abilities of other teammates?  Or was he wondering out loud why the team couldnt beat Phoenix with the "greatest player in the game" yet they drilled Phoenix early in the season when the TEAM players were there?

    It's hard to be close as a team when the leadership has to come from the coaching staff.

    Interesting notes - Phoenix never had a 2-0 advantage in any of its 10 previous playoff matchups with the Lakers. Overall, the Suns have been up 2-0 in any series only five times

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    Post game comments from Game 2:

    "It was really embarrassing to come in here and lose such an important game the way we lost it," Odom said. "...We need to think about some things as a team. It's kind of sad, but I don't know that we're as close as a team right now as far as camaraderie and things like that. That's the only way you lose games like this -- when you're not close."

    I wonder why Lamar thinks the team isnt close.  Is it due to what the media reports?  Is it due to the fact that certain players handicap the abilities of other teammates?  Or was he wondering out loud why the team couldnt beat Phoenix with the "greatest player in the game" yet they drilled Phoenix early in the season when the TEAM players were there?

    It's hard to be close as a team when the leadership has to come from the coaching staff.

    Interesting notes - Phoenix never had a 2-0 advantage in any of its 10 previous playoff matchups with the Lakers. Overall, the Suns have been up 2-0 in any series only five times

     
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    can we end this thread just like the lakers season will be ended in a sweep
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    Quote Originally Posted by psadoug:

    can we end this thread just like the lakers season will be ended in a sweep


    Not so fast psadoug... It's not over yet.

    Gotta hand it to Bryant tonight.  Bryant finally deferred to the TEAM and they were able to pull out the victory.  TEAM basketball = winning basketball not because everyone gets a chance to get involved on offense but it also effects the defense.  Kwame Brown played great tonight.  Why? Because they fed him the ball on the other end and it made him work harder on D.

    The question is, can the Lakers play TEAM basketball to make this series competitive? The answer is NO.  But atleast the team wont get swept.

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    can we end this thread just like the lakers season will be ended in a sweep


    Not so fast psadoug... It's not over yet.

    Gotta hand it to Bryant tonight.  Bryant finally deferred to the TEAM and they were able to pull out the victory.  TEAM basketball = winning basketball not because everyone gets a chance to get involved on offense but it also effects the defense.  Kwame Brown played great tonight.  Why? Because they fed him the ball on the other end and it made him work harder on D.

    The question is, can the Lakers play TEAM basketball to make this series competitive? The answer is NO.  But atleast the team wont get swept.

    Kobe Bryant -
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:



    The question is, can the Lakers play TEAM basketball to make this series competitive? The answer is NO.  But atleast the team wont get swept.



    As usual, the team deviates from the game plan and gets blown out again.  Once again, Kobe Bryant disappears down the stretch and the Lakers fall.

    It's been an up and down season for the Lakers as the team really underachieved and hopefully they make some moves in the offseason to improve the team.  As a Lakers' fan I hate seeing certain guys poison the team chemistry and really hope Jerry Buss stays out of the team personnel decisions.

    Looking to see the FADE train make its final ride of the season on Wednesday with the Suns taking care of business at home.
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    The question is, can the Lakers play TEAM basketball to make this series competitive? The answer is NO.  But atleast the team wont get swept.



    As usual, the team deviates from the game plan and gets blown out again.  Once again, Kobe Bryant disappears down the stretch and the Lakers fall.

    It's been an up and down season for the Lakers as the team really underachieved and hopefully they make some moves in the offseason to improve the team.  As a Lakers' fan I hate seeing certain guys poison the team chemistry and really hope Jerry Buss stays out of the team personnel decisions.

    Looking to see the FADE train make its final ride of the season on Wednesday with the Suns taking care of business at home.
     
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    Again, for the 5th time in his career, Kobe Bryant was once again selected to the NBA defensive 1st team. But wait, I bet he made it because of his reputation as a scorer? I just don't understand how anyone says he's bad on defense. Those who believe that have HIGH expectations of Kobe, and truly believe he is a great player.
     
    Kobe play's terrible defense....
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    Again, for the 5th time in his career, Kobe Bryant was once again selected to the NBA defensive 1st team. But wait, I bet he made it because of his reputation as a scorer? I just don't understand how anyone says he's bad on defense. Those who believe that have HIGH expectations of Kobe, and truly believe he is a great player.
     
    Kobe play's terrible defense....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

     I just don't understand how anyone says he's bad on defense. 


    Probably because ALL of the Lakers' coaches think so. I was waiting on a fangirl such as yourself to make a post.  Bryant not even in the top 10 in spg or bpg for starting guards yet makes the All D team? There isnt even a PG listed on the team but you think it's credible?

    Like I've said, if you actually watch games (like Lakers' coaches) then you'd see how poor defensively Bryant is.

    The all defensive 1st team should have been -

    Camby
    Duncan
    Marion <--- Biggest ommision on the teams.
    Bowen
    Hinrich

    Players that were actually considered for DPOY... Bryant received the same amount of recognition as Devin Harris, Andre Igoudala, and Anthony Parker (all of which had similar or better defensive statistics) So I wonder why they didnt make the 1st or 2nd team. 

    Key stat - Bryant was not in the top 15 in steals for guards or top 8 in blocks for guards... Unlike Dwyane Wade and Ron Artest.  But we both know statistics mean little when speaking of an award like defense right?

    From Lakers' coach Phil Jackson -

    "Kobe has improved his defense the second half of the season (awards are given for half season performance now?) and we're happy that he made the first-team All-Defensive team," Jackson said. "But you've got to live up to that. (Is Jackson alluding to an undeserving selection?) That's really important. When he puts his mind up to the defense, he's done a great job for us.

    "We've talked a lot about it, not being able to do the same things he's done in the past like steals, stopping guys or blocking shots in key situations like he's done when he was younger. We want him to get back and focus on that
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    Funny how a guy's own coach that sees him play day in and day out has less credibility than westcoastTrojan.





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     I just don't understand how anyone says he's bad on defense. 


    Probably because ALL of the Lakers' coaches think so. I was waiting on a fangirl such as yourself to make a post.  Bryant not even in the top 10 in spg or bpg for starting guards yet makes the All D team? There isnt even a PG listed on the team but you think it's credible?

    Like I've said, if you actually watch games (like Lakers' coaches) then you'd see how poor defensively Bryant is.

    The all defensive 1st team should have been -

    Camby
    Duncan
    Marion <--- Biggest ommision on the teams.
    Bowen
    Hinrich

    Players that were actually considered for DPOY... Bryant received the same amount of recognition as Devin Harris, Andre Igoudala, and Anthony Parker (all of which had similar or better defensive statistics) So I wonder why they didnt make the 1st or 2nd team. 

    Key stat - Bryant was not in the top 15 in steals for guards or top 8 in blocks for guards... Unlike Dwyane Wade and Ron Artest.  But we both know statistics mean little when speaking of an award like defense right?

    From Lakers' coach Phil Jackson -

    "Kobe has improved his defense the second half of the season (awards are given for half season performance now?) and we're happy that he made the first-team All-Defensive team," Jackson said. "But you've got to live up to that. (Is Jackson alluding to an undeserving selection?) That's really important. When he puts his mind up to the defense, he's done a great job for us.

    "We've talked a lot about it, not being able to do the same things he's done in the past like steals, stopping guys or blocking shots in key situations like he's done when he was younger. We want him to get back and focus on that
    ."

    Funny how a guy's own coach that sees him play day in and day out has less credibility than westcoastTrojan.





     
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    So how come he made the list again? Because nobody watches the games?  I don;t get it. He's made the 1st team 5 times, while Wade and Lebron have yet to, but you still don't acknowledge?  You're correct, and everyone else isn't?
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    So how come he made the list again? Because nobody watches the games?  I don;t get it. He's made the 1st team 5 times, while Wade and Lebron have yet to, but you still don't acknowledge?  You're correct, and everyone else isn't?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

    So how come he made the list again? Because nobody watches the games?  I don;t get it. He's made the 1st team 5 times, while Wade and Lebron have yet to, but you still don't acknowledge?  You're correct, and everyone else isn't?


    I didnt say I was correct.  I simply posted what Phil Jackson and Tex Winter said, both LA Lakers' coaches.  Based on what you are saying, their opinion doesnt matter because of what other coaches think? In a vote that disallowed for coaches voting for their own players, whether they deserve the recognition or not?  Funny you dont want to acknowledge the fact that non of Bryant's coaches thought he belonged on the team, because they know his defense is not good.

    Funny you mention Wade and LeBron, who both are better defensively than Bryant when you look at the statistics.  But I guess Hollinger was right huh? Which brings into question how did he determine his statistics when a player plays "a lot of one man zone"?  How can you shut down an offensive player when you are continually in help position 2 passes away from your man and always putting the rest of your teammates in bad positions on D because you dont play your role?


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    So how come he made the list again? Because nobody watches the games?  I don;t get it. He's made the 1st team 5 times, while Wade and Lebron have yet to, but you still don't acknowledge?  You're correct, and everyone else isn't?


    I didnt say I was correct.  I simply posted what Phil Jackson and Tex Winter said, both LA Lakers' coaches.  Based on what you are saying, their opinion doesnt matter because of what other coaches think? In a vote that disallowed for coaches voting for their own players, whether they deserve the recognition or not?  Funny you dont want to acknowledge the fact that non of Bryant's coaches thought he belonged on the team, because they know his defense is not good.

    Funny you mention Wade and LeBron, who both are better defensively than Bryant when you look at the statistics.  But I guess Hollinger was right huh? Which brings into question how did he determine his statistics when a player plays "a lot of one man zone"?  How can you shut down an offensive player when you are continually in help position 2 passes away from your man and always putting the rest of your teammates in bad positions on D because you dont play your role?


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:



    I didnt say I was correct.  I simply posted what Phil Jackson and Tex Winter said, both LA Lakers' coaches.  Based on what you are saying, their opinion doesnt matter because of what other coaches think? In a vote that disallowed for coaches voting for their own players, whether they deserve the recognition or not?  Funny you dont want to acknowledge the fact that non of Bryant's coaches thought he belonged on the team, because they know his defense is not good.

    Funny you mention Wade and LeBron, who both are better defensively than Bryant when you look at the statistics.  But I guess Hollinger was right huh? Which brings into question how did he determine his statistics when a player plays "a lot of one man zone"?  How can you shut down an offensive player when you are continually in help position 2 passes away from your man and always putting the rest of your teammates in bad positions on D because you dont play your role?


     
    I respect your opinion but statistic do not mean everything in grading how good a person is defensively. At this point Kobe is alot better defensively than Wade/James are now. Yea he takes shots and sometimes doesnt get back in time but he still plays his defense when his man has the ball.
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    I didnt say I was correct.  I simply posted what Phil Jackson and Tex Winter said, both LA Lakers' coaches.  Based on what you are saying, their opinion doesnt matter because of what other coaches think? In a vote that disallowed for coaches voting for their own players, whether they deserve the recognition or not?  Funny you dont want to acknowledge the fact that non of Bryant's coaches thought he belonged on the team, because they know his defense is not good.

    Funny you mention Wade and LeBron, who both are better defensively than Bryant when you look at the statistics.  But I guess Hollinger was right huh? Which brings into question how did he determine his statistics when a player plays "a lot of one man zone"?  How can you shut down an offensive player when you are continually in help position 2 passes away from your man and always putting the rest of your teammates in bad positions on D because you dont play your role?


     
    I respect your opinion but statistic do not mean everything in grading how good a person is defensively. At this point Kobe is alot better defensively than Wade/James are now. Yea he takes shots and sometimes doesnt get back in time but he still plays his defense when his man has the ball.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCrimes1984:

    You need to learn the difference between truth and lies/self serving stories
     

    Funny the King of lies never showed his face is this thread once the guaranteed losing streak ATS started to roll.  Not a surprise though as this what what normally happens when he gets proven wrong.

    After the Lakers get eliminated tonight, it'll be the 2nd straight year your stats have proven you to be ignorant to the game of basketball. 

    Fading the Lakers
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    You need to learn the difference between truth and lies/self serving stories
     

    Funny the King of lies never showed his face is this thread once the guaranteed losing streak ATS started to roll.  Not a surprise though as this what what normally happens when he gets proven wrong.

    After the Lakers get eliminated tonight, it'll be the 2nd straight year your stats have proven you to be ignorant to the game of basketball. 

    Fading the Lakers
     
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    But I do agree that his defense has slipped a bit...but still one of the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankthetank:

     
    I respect your opinion but statistic do not mean everything in grading how good a person is defensively. At this point Kobe is alot better defensively than Wade/James are now. Yea he takes shots and sometimes doesnt get back in time but he still plays his defense when his man has the ball.


    I totally agree about the stats to an extent but I was using the stats to show how players can impact the game on defense.  As far as Bryant being able to guard his man, have you seen most Lakers' games this year?

    If so you'll see the following things -

    1) Bryant's assignment will continue to get open looks because he continually loses his man.

    2) Bryant consistenly puts his big men in foul trouble or late help situations because his on the ball D is so poor he consistently gets beat off the dribble.

    3) His obsession with gambling for steals always puts the team in frantic recovery positions.

    Just watch the game tonight and see.



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    I respect your opinion but statistic do not mean everything in grading how good a person is defensively. At this point Kobe is alot better defensively than Wade/James are now. Yea he takes shots and sometimes doesnt get back in time but he still plays his defense when his man has the ball.


    I totally agree about the stats to an extent but I was using the stats to show how players can impact the game on defense.  As far as Bryant being able to guard his man, have you seen most Lakers' games this year?

    If so you'll see the following things -

    1) Bryant's assignment will continue to get open looks because he continually loses his man.

    2) Bryant consistenly puts his big men in foul trouble or late help situations because his on the ball D is so poor he consistently gets beat off the dribble.

    3) His obsession with gambling for steals always puts the team in frantic recovery positions.

    Just watch the game tonight and see.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:



    I totally agree about the stats to an extent but I was using the stats to show how players can impact the game on defense.  As far as Bryant being able to guard his man, have you seen most Lakers' games this year?

    If so you'll see the following things -

    1) Bryant's assignment will continue to get open looks because he continually loses his man.

    2) Bryant consistenly puts his big men in foul trouble or late help situations because his on the ball D is so poor he consistently gets beat off the dribble.

    3) His obsession with gambling for steals always puts the team in frantic recovery positions.

    Just watch the game tonight and see.



     
    I agree to those things because they do happen. But there are times when he is able to shut down his assignment and he still plays better than most of the people in this league. Sometimes at the end of games he does start to tire out after shooting all those shots.
     
    Not everyone likes Kobe ..heck alot of us HATE him
     
    but we cannot discredit the type of game and talent that he has. He is the closes thing that we will ever get to Michael Jordan (he is not jordan..just the closes thing)
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    I totally agree about the stats to an extent but I was using the stats to show how players can impact the game on defense.  As far as Bryant being able to guard his man, have you seen most Lakers' games this year?

    If so you'll see the following things -

    1) Bryant's assignment will continue to get open looks because he continually loses his man.

    2) Bryant consistenly puts his big men in foul trouble or late help situations because his on the ball D is so poor he consistently gets beat off the dribble.

    3) His obsession with gambling for steals always puts the team in frantic recovery positions.

    Just watch the game tonight and see.



     
    I agree to those things because they do happen. But there are times when he is able to shut down his assignment and he still plays better than most of the people in this league. Sometimes at the end of games he does start to tire out after shooting all those shots.
     
    Not everyone likes Kobe ..heck alot of us HATE him
     
    but we cannot discredit the type of game and talent that he has. He is the closes thing that we will ever get to Michael Jordan (he is not jordan..just the closes thing)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:



    I totally agree about the stats to an extent but I was using the stats to show how players can impact the game on defense.  As far as Bryant being able to guard his man, have you seen most Lakers' games this year?

    If so you'll see the following things -

    1) Bryant's assignment will continue to get open looks because he continually loses his man.

    2) Bryant consistenly puts his big men in foul trouble or late help situations because his on the ball D is so poor he consistently gets beat off the dribble.

    3) His obsession with gambling for steals always puts the team in frantic recovery positions.

    Just watch the game tonight and see.



     
    Then how does he continue to get voted into the 1st team all-defense? How? Are the fans voting him in? Do the people who vote love him that much?  If you didn't understand what his own coaches were implying, then I don't know what to tell you. It was obvious they expect more from him on defense, plain and simple. Everyone expects more from him, naturally.
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    I totally agree about the stats to an extent but I was using the stats to show how players can impact the game on defense.  As far as Bryant being able to guard his man, have you seen most Lakers' games this year?

    If so you'll see the following things -

    1) Bryant's assignment will continue to get open looks because he continually loses his man.

    2) Bryant consistenly puts his big men in foul trouble or late help situations because his on the ball D is so poor he consistently gets beat off the dribble.

    3) His obsession with gambling for steals always puts the team in frantic recovery positions.

    Just watch the game tonight and see.



     
    Then how does he continue to get voted into the 1st team all-defense? How? Are the fans voting him in? Do the people who vote love him that much?  If you didn't understand what his own coaches were implying, then I don't know what to tell you. It was obvious they expect more from him on defense, plain and simple. Everyone expects more from him, naturally.
     
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen,

    The FADE train has come to a halt for the 2006-2007 season going out on a sour note thanks to a monster performance by Lamar Odom.

    Gotta hand it to Kobe Bryant, once again showing his ability to shoot his own team out of the game.  3-14 from the field in crunch time with almost 10 turnovers for the game.  Biggest game of the season and he stunk it up once again, proving that not only can he not "impose his will" on teams that are actually good but he actually chokes under pressure.  Who was that guy that Raja Bell lit up to set the tone early? All NBA 1st team defender?

    Until next season fellas
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    Ladies and gentlemen,

    The FADE train has come to a halt for the 2006-2007 season going out on a sour note thanks to a monster performance by Lamar Odom.

    Gotta hand it to Kobe Bryant, once again showing his ability to shoot his own team out of the game.  3-14 from the field in crunch time with almost 10 turnovers for the game.  Biggest game of the season and he stunk it up once again, proving that not only can he not "impose his will" on teams that are actually good but he actually chokes under pressure.  Who was that guy that Raja Bell lit up to set the tone early? All NBA 1st team defender?

    Until next season fellas
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