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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 8:36 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by superbeets:

    I let this go for a while but from now on lets keep it to "Quarterbacks" not white, black , yellow or pink..

    Another question I have is why was this not posted in the "NFL" section of our forums.  Not a good thread to have posted on the 1st page of any forum.  There is not anything wrong since no racist terms were used but this can only lead to multiple boxings so its better to let you guys go at it in the box..

     

    BUT no racist lauguage will be allowed (box or not)...period.... albeit black or white slang



      boo for you for playing thought police

    The atty general was right, we are a nation of cowards when it comes to discussing race issues

    superbeets aren't you a racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeets:

    I let this go for a while but from now on lets keep it to "Quarterbacks" not white, black , yellow or pink..

    Another question I have is why was this not posted in the "NFL" section of our forums.  Not a good thread to have posted on the 1st page of any forum.  There is not anything wrong since no racist terms were used but this can only lead to multiple boxings so its better to let you guys go at it in the box..

     

    BUT no racist lauguage will be allowed (box or not)...period.... albeit black or white slang



      boo for you for playing thought police

    The atty general was right, we are a nation of cowards when it comes to discussing race issues

    superbeets aren't you a racist?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 8:59 PM ET #52

    theres a pink QB in the NFL?
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 9:22 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Rick Mirer

    David Klingler

    Heath Schuler

    Tommy Maddox

    Dave Brown

    Jim Drunkenmiller

    Tim Couch

    Cade McNown

    Ryan Leaf

    David Carr

    Alex Smith

    Todd Marinovich

    Patrick Ramsey

    Dan McGuire

    Joey Harrington

     

    Need any more?

     



    Hutch, that is one great list of pieces of crap. Nice job at point well made........
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Rick Mirer

    David Klingler

    Heath Schuler

    Tommy Maddox

    Dave Brown

    Jim Drunkenmiller

    Tim Couch

    Cade McNown

    Ryan Leaf

    David Carr

    Alex Smith

    Todd Marinovich

    Patrick Ramsey

    Dan McGuire

    Joey Harrington

     

    Need any more?

     



    Hutch, that is one great list of pieces of crap. Nice job at point well made........
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 9:28 PM ET #54

    What about the paint sniffer, the RED HEADED LOSER

    Todd Marinovich

    That guy was a great loser...probably the worst piece of shit next to Leaf..

    Didn't he rip some guy off in a bathroom in San Diego or something?

    I'm not racist, but I would rather bet on a okie any day.
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    What about the paint sniffer, the RED HEADED LOSER

    Todd Marinovich

    That guy was a great loser...probably the worst piece of shit next to Leaf..

    Didn't he rip some guy off in a bathroom in San Diego or something?

    I'm not racist, but I would rather bet on a okie any day.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 9:32 PM ET #55

    doug williams  got a ring
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 9:39 PM ET #56

    Payton "okie" Manning
    Brett "full red okie" Farve
    Drew Brees
    Tom "cockasian" Brady

    as opposed to

    Jaloserio Russel
    Jason "My brain is too small and I forgot how to scramble"  Campbell
    Michael "pit" Vick
    Donovan McNappy
    Vince "Mr. Depression" Young


    Notice though how the Raiders and Redskins are like kings of picking shit QB's in the draft...black/white...they are the best judges of Cash stealing BUSTS

    I do believe that Mokie's cock will resemble John Holmes dick before a great white running back appears



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    Payton "okie" Manning
    Brett "full red okie" Farve
    Drew Brees
    Tom "cockasian" Brady

    as opposed to

    Jaloserio Russel
    Jason "My brain is too small and I forgot how to scramble"  Campbell
    Michael "pit" Vick
    Donovan McNappy
    Vince "Mr. Depression" Young


    Notice though how the Raiders and Redskins are like kings of picking shit QB's in the draft...black/white...they are the best judges of Cash stealing BUSTS

    I do believe that Mokie's cock will resemble John Holmes dick before a great white running back appears



     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 9:40 PM ET #57

    Doug Williams was good for one game.

    The biggest one.
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    The biggest one.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 9:41 PM ET #58

    When Williams got the ring...so did Timmy Smith...where is he now?


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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:07 PM ET #61

    be easy

    thanks for understanding..

    its done and you will not change anything..

    You can call me a racist or whatever you want.  I will agree with whatever you say.  You are right about anything you say

    Again thanks in advance

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    be easy

    thanks for understanding..

    its done and you will not change anything..

    You can call me a racist or whatever you want.  I will agree with whatever you say.  You are right about anything you say

    Again thanks in advance

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:17 PM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by dennishopson:



    Not only did you challenge a guy on the internet to meet you for a fight,  but you even mentioned afterwards you were going to bring a gun...........

    That is the most silly box shit I've come across in awhile.....

    Misunderstanding.

    I never challenged Huge to a fight.  Perhaps you don't know Newark - it's Detroit East.  The heat I was taking about was to defend MYSELF, not a pc person I may be meeting for a bowl of chitlins.

    Odds how this topic gets folks off track - - - but it will get worse at this century deepens.

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    Not only did you challenge a guy on the internet to meet you for a fight,  but you even mentioned afterwards you were going to bring a gun...........

    That is the most silly box shit I've come across in awhile.....

    Misunderstanding.

    I never challenged Huge to a fight.  Perhaps you don't know Newark - it's Detroit East.  The heat I was taking about was to defend MYSELF, not a pc person I may be meeting for a bowl of chitlins.

    Odds how this topic gets folks off track - - - but it will get worse at this century deepens.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:27 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by Ap1Bfreetorun:

    Reggie Roby, I think, kicker for the Dolphins.  I don't know what is wrong with Jemarcus, he was a good college QB, could really hit some passes.  His problems, I believe, are due to his holdout and his inability to learn the system.  Possibly because Oakland has no really good receivers, one dropped one right in his hands today.  Or, maybe, that $62 million he is carrying in his hip pocket may be bothering him.  I wish him well, he made me money when he was with LSU, now making me money, most of the time, to bet against him with the Raiders.

    Indeed, AP, he was a good college QB. Not just "another black running QB," the guy could pass.

    Some of what you point out may be correct. At the time he was drafted, tho, others in the Raiders organization were telling Al (well, may suggesting to him, that they pass on Russell and draft other players.

    Davis, tho, likes to be a contrarian trailblazer. And it worked decades ago.  He was the first owner, to my recollection, to hire a black HC.  When Russell interviewed with Davis, the latter said: "I like touchdowns." And Russell answered: "I like touchdowns too, Mr Davis." 

    On that basis did Oakland make JaMarcus a mega-millionaire.

    As far as comments by others that the NFL is suppressing black QB talent - just the opposite is true. Like virtually all popular institutions in this country, PC is King.   They's swoon with joy if a black Tom Brady or Peyton would come along.

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    Reggie Roby, I think, kicker for the Dolphins.  I don't know what is wrong with Jemarcus, he was a good college QB, could really hit some passes.  His problems, I believe, are due to his holdout and his inability to learn the system.  Possibly because Oakland has no really good receivers, one dropped one right in his hands today.  Or, maybe, that $62 million he is carrying in his hip pocket may be bothering him.  I wish him well, he made me money when he was with LSU, now making me money, most of the time, to bet against him with the Raiders.

    Indeed, AP, he was a good college QB. Not just "another black running QB," the guy could pass.

    Some of what you point out may be correct. At the time he was drafted, tho, others in the Raiders organization were telling Al (well, may suggesting to him, that they pass on Russell and draft other players.

    Davis, tho, likes to be a contrarian trailblazer. And it worked decades ago.  He was the first owner, to my recollection, to hire a black HC.  When Russell interviewed with Davis, the latter said: "I like touchdowns." And Russell answered: "I like touchdowns too, Mr Davis." 

    On that basis did Oakland make JaMarcus a mega-millionaire.

    As far as comments by others that the NFL is suppressing black QB talent - just the opposite is true. Like virtually all popular institutions in this country, PC is King.   They's swoon with joy if a black Tom Brady or Peyton would come along.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:36 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by wheelerone:

    Instead of saying he's another black QB that has flopped why not just say he's another top pick that has flopped? Why does the fact he's black have anything to do with it?I'm white and think this.

     

    Why are you not mentioning Tim Couch,Ryan Leaf ,David Carr or any others ?

    Because none of the black QBs, however good they were in college, have shone in the NFL.  I would include Moon, and so, I think would most non-pc observors of the NFL game.

    Bringing up the names of Couch, Leaf et al is a non-sequitur.  There are an equal number of black RBs who never made it, however good they looked in college.  Most aspirants to any position of wealth and fame are not going to make it, be it in sports, entertainment, theatre, whatever.

    ONCE MORE THO, LET ME ASK THE PC BRAINWASHED THE QUESTION I POSED A WHILE BACK: WHAT IS THE REASON THERE ARE NO WHITE RBS IN THE NFL GAME?

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    Instead of saying he's another black QB that has flopped why not just say he's another top pick that has flopped? Why does the fact he's black have anything to do with it?I'm white and think this.

     

    Why are you not mentioning Tim Couch,Ryan Leaf ,David Carr or any others ?

    Because none of the black QBs, however good they were in college, have shone in the NFL.  I would include Moon, and so, I think would most non-pc observors of the NFL game.

    Bringing up the names of Couch, Leaf et al is a non-sequitur.  There are an equal number of black RBs who never made it, however good they looked in college.  Most aspirants to any position of wealth and fame are not going to make it, be it in sports, entertainment, theatre, whatever.

    ONCE MORE THO, LET ME ASK THE PC BRAINWASHED THE QUESTION I POSED A WHILE BACK: WHAT IS THE REASON THERE ARE NO WHITE RBS IN THE NFL GAME?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:43 PM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:

    McNabb looked pretty good tonight with 450 Yards and 2 Touch Downs.

    McNabb is probably the best of the blacks who played QB in NFL, but still not in top echelon.  I bet Philly in their only modern SB, when they lost but covered vs NE.

    In that game the best offensive player for the Eagles was TO.  And he was honest enough to say after the game that Donovan puked during the game ---- likely from fear and over-excitement. Not the mark of a great. When he stopped running as much as he did when younger, he lost some of his mojo.  Was great at Syracuse, tho.

    I don't agree with the Oxycontin Kid on very much, but he was correct on that issue. The pc press (which is ALL the Estab press) will grossly overpraise a minority in any field of endeavor. But ignore (suppress) stories of outrageous criminal attacks by same of the majority (a rapidly declning majority).

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    McNabb looked pretty good tonight with 450 Yards and 2 Touch Downs.

    McNabb is probably the best of the blacks who played QB in NFL, but still not in top echelon.  I bet Philly in their only modern SB, when they lost but covered vs NE.

    In that game the best offensive player for the Eagles was TO.  And he was honest enough to say after the game that Donovan puked during the game ---- likely from fear and over-excitement. Not the mark of a great. When he stopped running as much as he did when younger, he lost some of his mojo.  Was great at Syracuse, tho.

    I don't agree with the Oxycontin Kid on very much, but he was correct on that issue. The pc press (which is ALL the Estab press) will grossly overpraise a minority in any field of endeavor. But ignore (suppress) stories of outrageous criminal attacks by same of the majority (a rapidly declning majority).

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:43 PM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by luckbythetruck:

    Misunderstanding.

    I never challenged Huge to a fight.  Perhaps you don't know Newark - it's Detroit East.  The heat I was taking about was to defend MYSELF, not a pc person I may be meeting for a bowl of chitlins.

    Odds how this topic gets folks off track - - - but it will get worse at this century deepens.

    Me PC? I'm not PC. If anything, I'm as guilty as anyone. When I think "black quarterback", you know what the first thing I think is? Scrambler, mobile, run first pass second. Then I realize David Garrard and Byron Leftwich are none of those things. Just like when I think "Russian hockey player", I just automatically think fast, mobile skater and that's not true either.

    "The Bell Curve" was one thing (although I believe it's largely been discredited to this point), but then you went off with your own unique theory of evolution. Don't blame me if people disagree with your point of view.
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    Misunderstanding.

    I never challenged Huge to a fight.  Perhaps you don't know Newark - it's Detroit East.  The heat I was taking about was to defend MYSELF, not a pc person I may be meeting for a bowl of chitlins.

    Odds how this topic gets folks off track - - - but it will get worse at this century deepens.

    Me PC? I'm not PC. If anything, I'm as guilty as anyone. When I think "black quarterback", you know what the first thing I think is? Scrambler, mobile, run first pass second. Then I realize David Garrard and Byron Leftwich are none of those things. Just like when I think "Russian hockey player", I just automatically think fast, mobile skater and that's not true either.

    "The Bell Curve" was one thing (although I believe it's largely been discredited to this point), but then you went off with your own unique theory of evolution. Don't blame me if people disagree with your point of view.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:44 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by fruit20:

    doug williams  got a ring

    So have a lot of other very average QBs.  Trent Dilfer got a ring ---- right, who he? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruit20:

    doug williams  got a ring

    So have a lot of other very average QBs.  Trent Dilfer got a ring ---- right, who he? 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:53 PM ET #69

    Quote Originally Posted by bobcat26:

    I read this post not long after it was up on the board (figured I better stay out of the thread considering my past here), and the first thing that came to mind was "The Bell Curve". I read the book my freshman year of college '95, and remember keeping it tucked away so my "enlightened" college friends didn't see it. Too funny! It's 15 yrs. later and we STILL can't have an open an honest discussion on these topics.  

    Right on.

    I'm reading thru this thread which I posted the other day, to reply. Came first to the Gen Discussion board, where I posted it, did not find, found it here.

    I have not yet seen any name-calling - certainly none of a vitupertive nature, and certainly none by me.. It's a sprited discussion.  As I go thru the posts on this thread it may become ugly, and that may be why it was shoved into this board.

    If not, it's curious to witness unwarranted censorship on a site that has people thumbing their nose at the US Govt;s wish that offshore betting be stopped.

    Curious, but not all that surprising. I also have an idea as to which mod took the plunge. 

    Someone of literary note (forgot who) once said; "All Truths Suppresed Become Poisonous."  This will bear out in the next few decades.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobcat26:

    I read this post not long after it was up on the board (figured I better stay out of the thread considering my past here), and the first thing that came to mind was "The Bell Curve". I read the book my freshman year of college '95, and remember keeping it tucked away so my "enlightened" college friends didn't see it. Too funny! It's 15 yrs. later and we STILL can't have an open an honest discussion on these topics.  

    Right on.

    I'm reading thru this thread which I posted the other day, to reply. Came first to the Gen Discussion board, where I posted it, did not find, found it here.

    I have not yet seen any name-calling - certainly none of a vitupertive nature, and certainly none by me.. It's a sprited discussion.  As I go thru the posts on this thread it may become ugly, and that may be why it was shoved into this board.

    If not, it's curious to witness unwarranted censorship on a site that has people thumbing their nose at the US Govt;s wish that offshore betting be stopped.

    Curious, but not all that surprising. I also have an idea as to which mod took the plunge. 

    Someone of literary note (forgot who) once said; "All Truths Suppresed Become Poisonous."  This will bear out in the next few decades.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 10:59 PM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by BDUBB:

    I think the reason behind this thread is that Luck was stupid enough to draft JaMarcus, and now he can't get rid of him.......

    ha ha ha  --- I don't play Fantasy Football.  But you are on the right track. I bet only two NFL games this last week, San Fran and Oakland. 

    The black guy pissed me off for being a stupid oaf and losing.

    Thank God for that even stupider white guy who gave the Niners a gift basket of picks -- dumb, evn if he did go to that brainiac school, Vandy.  I appreciate his effort.

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    I think the reason behind this thread is that Luck was stupid enough to draft JaMarcus, and now he can't get rid of him.......

    ha ha ha  --- I don't play Fantasy Football.  But you are on the right track. I bet only two NFL games this last week, San Fran and Oakland. 

    The black guy pissed me off for being a stupid oaf and losing.

    Thank God for that even stupider white guy who gave the Niners a gift basket of picks -- dumb, evn if he did go to that brainiac school, Vandy.  I appreciate his effort.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 11:04 PM ET #71

    The next high-hope black QB to come into the NFL will be Terrell Pryor from Ohio State ... great athlete ---  should be a running back. Will an NFL team throw $60 million on the table for this guy and give him the keys at QB ... I think not !!! 

    I'm sorry, chump. This kind of stuff is not allowed anymore on this board, by order of the Ministry of Truth.

    And you will be banished forever more to that PIC wasteland, never to return to civilized society.

    Well,not until the cracks in the American empire turn into giant fissures that suck into its maw all the outmoded and purblind propaganda that so bemuses our half-educted classes.

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    The next high-hope black QB to come into the NFL will be Terrell Pryor from Ohio State ... great athlete ---  should be a running back. Will an NFL team throw $60 million on the table for this guy and give him the keys at QB ... I think not !!! 

    I'm sorry, chump. This kind of stuff is not allowed anymore on this board, by order of the Ministry of Truth.

    And you will be banished forever more to that PIC wasteland, never to return to civilized society.

    Well,not until the cracks in the American empire turn into giant fissures that suck into its maw all the outmoded and purblind propaganda that so bemuses our half-educted classes.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 11:11 PM ET #72

    Keep on Luck with your under the table comments..  Not going to go over very well.  If you dont like it-- go elsewhere.  If no then have fun posting here and knock off the BS comments....
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    Keep on Luck with your under the table comments..  Not going to go over very well.  If you dont like it-- go elsewhere.  If no then have fun posting here and knock off the BS comments....
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 11:18 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by Amp:

    Ya wanna know who cares about all this?  Black people, they are the ones who make the biggest deal out of things.  Vince Young saying he will be the next black QB to win the superbowl.  Tony Dungy happy that hes the first black coach to win the superbowl.  NAACP protesting that their aren't enough black coaches.  A team can't hire a white coach without interviewing a black one first.  Heck, I believe it was Sharpton? who complained that the Astros team that went to the world series a few years ago had no blacks on the team.  Could you imagine if someone said there were no whites on a basketball team?  Man, what a racist he would be.

    Basically correct. If you maintain even a semblence of sanity in America today, you will be ostracized by the pc estab

    Most of the foot soldiers of PC and the assault on Americans of Caucasian persuasion are really jiust "get alongers."  When the tide recedes, as it will eventually, they will cover their tracks and slide gently and incognito to the other side.

    They understand that in modern America, to get along you have to go along. You have to believe, as the MiniTrue inquisitor insisted Winston Smith believe, that 2 +2 = 5.

    You have to believe it's just unimportant coincidence that there are no black QBs of quality in NFL, nor white running backs of quality.

    You have to believe also that you can go out tonight in downtown Detroit and live to tell the tale.

    You have to believe that a thousand angels can dance  on the head of a pin - and the PC masses in the Middle Ages believed just that.

    The foot soldiers of these absurd ideas, that there are no racial differences of significance, are really just opportunists of the moment. The masses always have a feminine outlook, they go for the stronger entity, to protect them.

    By going counter to the Propaganda machine you may miss out on a "good" job, or receive the opprobrium of the feminized mass, but you will be a mensch, and your children and grandchildren will know that dad and granddad stood up and said the this PC Emperor has no clothes - little fucker is buck-ass naked

    Lo que no me destruye me fortalece

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    Ya wanna know who cares about all this?  Black people, they are the ones who make the biggest deal out of things.  Vince Young saying he will be the next black QB to win the superbowl.  Tony Dungy happy that hes the first black coach to win the superbowl.  NAACP protesting that their aren't enough black coaches.  A team can't hire a white coach without interviewing a black one first.  Heck, I believe it was Sharpton? who complained that the Astros team that went to the world series a few years ago had no blacks on the team.  Could you imagine if someone said there were no whites on a basketball team?  Man, what a racist he would be.

    Basically correct. If you maintain even a semblence of sanity in America today, you will be ostracized by the pc estab

    Most of the foot soldiers of PC and the assault on Americans of Caucasian persuasion are really jiust "get alongers."  When the tide recedes, as it will eventually, they will cover their tracks and slide gently and incognito to the other side.

    They understand that in modern America, to get along you have to go along. You have to believe, as the MiniTrue inquisitor insisted Winston Smith believe, that 2 +2 = 5.

    You have to believe it's just unimportant coincidence that there are no black QBs of quality in NFL, nor white running backs of quality.

    You have to believe also that you can go out tonight in downtown Detroit and live to tell the tale.

    You have to believe that a thousand angels can dance  on the head of a pin - and the PC masses in the Middle Ages believed just that.

    The foot soldiers of these absurd ideas, that there are no racial differences of significance, are really just opportunists of the moment. The masses always have a feminine outlook, they go for the stronger entity, to protect them.

    By going counter to the Propaganda machine you may miss out on a "good" job, or receive the opprobrium of the feminized mass, but you will be a mensch, and your children and grandchildren will know that dad and granddad stood up and said the this PC Emperor has no clothes - little fucker is buck-ass naked

    Lo que no me destruye me fortalece

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2009 - 11:23 PM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i haven't read through this whole thing but i didn't think the point was that only black qb's fail as there are many examples of shitty white qb's with high expectations.  i thought the point was the percentages, that an inordinately higher percentage of black qb's have underperformed, maybe just about all of them, except for guys with low expectations who have had better than expected like batch, wallace, and then mcnabb who was a first rounder but has had a good career overall in my opinion.  moon too.  

    so, to list the white qb's who have underperformed and the black qb's who have underperformed doesn't mean much.  but to look at the percentages and see that a very high number of black qb's have underperformed must mean something. 

    Club Dirt is a good, rational guy - I agree with  him on organized religion. He believes in free speech, tho is angered by a few topics. I understand that all too well - ethnicity is often stronger than ideology (and will be so in an increasingly fractured and balkanized America).

    But I aver that he is a mensch, as his post here proves

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    i haven't read through this whole thing but i didn't think the point was that only black qb's fail as there are many examples of shitty white qb's with high expectations.  i thought the point was the percentages, that an inordinately higher percentage of black qb's have underperformed, maybe just about all of them, except for guys with low expectations who have had better than expected like batch, wallace, and then mcnabb who was a first rounder but has had a good career overall in my opinion.  moon too.  

    so, to list the white qb's who have underperformed and the black qb's who have underperformed doesn't mean much.  but to look at the percentages and see that a very high number of black qb's have underperformed must mean something. 

    Club Dirt is a good, rational guy - I agree with  him on organized religion. He believes in free speech, tho is angered by a few topics. I understand that all too well - ethnicity is often stronger than ideology (and will be so in an increasingly fractured and balkanized America).

    But I aver that he is a mensch, as his post here proves

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