Instead of saying he's another black QB that has flopped why not just say he's another top pick that has flopped? Why does the fact he's black have anything to do with it?I'm white and think this.
Why are you not mentioning Tim Couch,Ryan Leaf ,David Carr or any others ?
i don't understand why this matters. who cares what color skin these guys have? same thing when people say, "will there ever be a white american basketball player to be the best in the league like larry bird?" who fucking cares if he's white? we have lebron james, we have kobe bryant, we have dwayne wade, etc... they are all american, they are all basketball players. what the fuck does it matter what color skin they have?
will there ever be dominant black QB? who fucking cares? as long as there are quality quarterbacks, it shouldn't matter.
i don't understand why this matters. who cares what color skin these guys have? same thing when people say, "will there ever be a white american basketball player to be the best in the league like larry bird?" who fucking cares if he's white? we have lebron james, we have kobe bryant, we have dwayne wade, etc... they are all american, they are all basketball players. what the fuck does it matter what color skin they have?
will there ever be dominant black QB? who fucking cares? as long as there are quality quarterbacks, it shouldn't matter.
Ya wanna know who cares about all this? Black people, they are the ones who make the biggest deal out of things. Vince Young saying he will be the next black QB to win the superbowl. Tony Dungy happy that hes the first black coach to win the superbowl. NAACP protesting that their aren't enough black coaches. A team can't hire a white coach without interviewing a black one first. Heck, I believe it was Sharpton? who complained that the Astros team that went to the world series a few years ago had no blacks on the team. Could you imagine if someone said there were no whites on a basketball team? Man, what a racist he would be.
i haven't read through this whole thing but i didn't think the point was that only black qb's fail as there are many examples of shitty white qb's with high expectations. i thought the point was the percentages, that an inordinately higher percentage of black qb's have underperformed, maybe just about all of them, except for guys with low expectations who have had better than expected like batch, wallace, and then mcnabb who was a first rounder but has had a good career overall in my opinion. moon too.
so, to list the white qb's who have underperformed and the black qb's who have underperformed doesn't mean much. but to look at the percentages and see that a very high number of black qb's have underperformed must mean something.
i haven't read through this whole thing but i didn't think the point was that only black qb's fail as there are many examples of shitty white qb's with high expectations. i thought the point was the percentages, that an inordinately higher percentage of black qb's have underperformed, maybe just about all of them, except for guys with low expectations who have had better than expected like batch, wallace, and then mcnabb who was a first rounder but has had a good career overall in my opinion. moon too.
so, to list the white qb's who have underperformed and the black qb's who have underperformed doesn't mean much. but to look at the percentages and see that a very high number of black qb's have underperformed must mean something.
fine, whatever. it's a lot easier to say that some work and some don't. the color of their skin has nothing to do with it. things worth discussing:
College experience
College conference
style of play (scrambler, pocket qb, heavy option qb in college?)
style of coach in college vs. where they end up in the pros
height
body size
arm strength
those things are discussions to have. the color of their skin is the same thing as saying that Red Haired quarterbacks fail. who fucking cares?
fine, whatever. it's a lot easier to say that some work and some don't. the color of their skin has nothing to do with it. things worth discussing:
College experience
College conference
style of play (scrambler, pocket qb, heavy option qb in college?)
style of coach in college vs. where they end up in the pros
height
body size
arm strength
those things are discussions to have. the color of their skin is the same thing as saying that Red Haired quarterbacks fail. who fucking cares?
this post smells of white man's guilt which, i've argued many times, is more detrminental than what most people consider racist comments or behavior.
to say that the black qb angle is irrelevant is to ignore the pattern. if there is a pattern of black qb's underperforming at the most high profile position in the nfl, maybe there is an issue there. one could just ignore the issue or run away from the issue and yell racist or delve into it to see if there is a solution.
i never understood how white people think it helps black people to ignore negative patterns or just call the person who points them out racist. if i was a black athlete and had hopes of becoming a qb one day and i was faced with a history and a perception of black qb after black qb faikling to meet expectations, which option is best for me:
1. to have every ignore it and maintain the status quo
2. to call everyone who points out the obvious pattern racist and maintain the status quo
3. to explore the issue and see if it can be corrected.
why do white people invariably chose options 1 and/or 2.
how am i doing, luck?
I let this go for a while but from now on lets keep it to "Quarterbacks" not white, black , yellow or pink..
Another question I have is why was this not posted in the "NFL" section of our forums. Not a good thread to have posted on the 1st page of any forum. There is not anything wrong since no racist terms were used but this can only lead to multiple boxings so its better to let you guys go at it in the box..
BUT no racist lauguage will be allowed (box or not)...period.... albeit black or white slang
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