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    “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump said in 2002

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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2025 - 11:19 PM ET #1

    Why is Trump protecting Epstein’s client list after Trump, Trump Jr, Vance, Patel, Bongino, Rogan and others demanded it for years? Is it because Epstein had 14 phone numbers for Trump? Is it because Trump left numerous messages for Epstein in the early 2000s? Is it because Trump publicly showed concern over Ghislaine in his first term? Is it because he first slept with Melania on Epstein’s plane? Is it because he was still flying Air Epstein in 2024 and flew on it numerous times while Epstein was alive? Is it because there’s a ton of videos and pics of best buds Trump and Epstein? Why is there a massive ICE show within 24 hours of the national normal (non-fascist bootlicker) media asking about Epstein?

    So many questions. Now he’s calling everyone who bought into what he and Trump Jr, Vance, Patel, Bongino, Rogan said liars, stooges, and morons? Ok, Trump just called his supporters morons! 

    So if you agree with Trump and wanted him to expose the Epstein files, you are now a “moron” per Trump himself.

    And if you want to keep the Epstein files hidden, why are you protecting pedos?

    Of course, those of us who don’t trust Trump suspects he will fabricate a list that ignores the questions above and just lie about it, because that’s what he does. But maybe one day the felon in Chief might see the light and tell the truth … one can only hope! 

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    Why is Trump protecting Epstein’s client list after Trump, Trump Jr, Vance, Patel, Bongino, Rogan and others demanded it for years? Is it because Epstein had 14 phone numbers for Trump? Is it because Trump left numerous messages for Epstein in the early 2000s? Is it because Trump publicly showed concern over Ghislaine in his first term? Is it because he first slept with Melania on Epstein’s plane? Is it because he was still flying Air Epstein in 2024 and flew on it numerous times while Epstein was alive? Is it because there’s a ton of videos and pics of best buds Trump and Epstein? Why is there a massive ICE show within 24 hours of the national normal (non-fascist bootlicker) media asking about Epstein?

    So many questions. Now he’s calling everyone who bought into what he and Trump Jr, Vance, Patel, Bongino, Rogan said liars, stooges, and morons? Ok, Trump just called his supporters morons! 

    So if you agree with Trump and wanted him to expose the Epstein files, you are now a “moron” per Trump himself.

    And if you want to keep the Epstein files hidden, why are you protecting pedos?

    Of course, those of us who don’t trust Trump suspects he will fabricate a list that ignores the questions above and just lie about it, because that’s what he does. But maybe one day the felon in Chief might see the light and tell the truth … one can only hope! 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 12:14 AM ET #2

    He also said "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do,and many of them are on the younger side".trump knew exactly what epstein was about and what epstein was doing.

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    He also said "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do,and many of them are on the younger side".trump knew exactly what epstein was about and what epstein was doing.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 12:30 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    He also said "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do,and many of them are on the younger side".trump knew exactly what epstein was about and what epstein was doing.

    He really did. It’s like he doesn’t want any questions asked about him/Epstein. 
    It was crazy to see him call his own VP, director of the FBI, himself, and his son “morons” today after hyping this for years.

     

    It’s TACO’s grift. Time to put on the big boy pants and own it.

     

    I’m sure he will lie about it. Release half the names that all favor him. That still doesn’t erase the pictures of Trump hanging out with the “great guy” Epstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    He also said "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do,and many of them are on the younger side".trump knew exactly what epstein was about and what epstein was doing.

    He really did. It’s like he doesn’t want any questions asked about him/Epstein. 
    It was crazy to see him call his own VP, director of the FBI, himself, and his son “morons” today after hyping this for years.

     

    It’s TACO’s grift. Time to put on the big boy pants and own it.

     

    I’m sure he will lie about it. Release half the names that all favor him. That still doesn’t erase the pictures of Trump hanging out with the “great guy” Epstein

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 12:35 AM ET #4

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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 1:27 AM ET #5

    I agree with you. I’m sorry he called you a moron for supporting him, but on the bright side, at least you have finally admitted he’s a pedo. 
    For those who haven’t come around yet, Trump has basically admitted that anyone who promoted Epstein theories (aka Himself and his family and his appointees) are “morons” and former supporters.

    Sorry he called you morons and former supporters - you are either pro-pedo or time to get off the Trump Train!

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    I agree with you. I’m sorry he called you a moron for supporting him, but on the bright side, at least you have finally admitted he’s a pedo. 
    For those who haven’t come around yet, Trump has basically admitted that anyone who promoted Epstein theories (aka Himself and his family and his appointees) are “morons” and former supporters.

    Sorry he called you morons and former supporters - you are either pro-pedo or time to get off the Trump Train!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 1:55 AM ET #6

    No offense but people that still support Trump are morons - so the only difference between today and yesterday is that Trump for the first time in his life has told the truth 

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    No offense but people that still support Trump are morons - so the only difference between today and yesterday is that Trump for the first time in his life has told the truth 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 2:22 AM ET #7

    Elon Musk’s latest tweet is how the usual strategy won’t work this time. The usual liar’s strategy is:

    1) Admit nothing

    2) Deny everything

    3) Make counterclaims 

    “It won’t work this time.” 

    Those are the words of Trump Surrogate #1 for a solid year. And yes, he’s the same guy who admitted that Trump is on Epstein’s list. 

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    Elon Musk’s latest tweet is how the usual strategy won’t work this time. The usual liar’s strategy is:

    1) Admit nothing

    2) Deny everything

    3) Make counterclaims 

    “It won’t work this time.” 

    Those are the words of Trump Surrogate #1 for a solid year. And yes, he’s the same guy who admitted that Trump is on Epstein’s list. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 10:17 AM ET #8

    One consistent character flaw is when something has truth to it and throws shade on Trump, he turns petty and nasty and personal to those making the comments. This Epstein stuff should show Trump is thick in the middle because there is too many references and visual photos showing his involvement. Trump is a sleezy womanizer probably on a clinical level and no way would a self proclaimed user of women not get sucked into that honey pot and especially for the years this was going on. Trump was petal to the floor sleeze bag back in those days.

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    One consistent character flaw is when something has truth to it and throws shade on Trump, he turns petty and nasty and personal to those making the comments. This Epstein stuff should show Trump is thick in the middle because there is too many references and visual photos showing his involvement. Trump is a sleezy womanizer probably on a clinical level and no way would a self proclaimed user of women not get sucked into that honey pot and especially for the years this was going on. Trump was petal to the floor sleeze bag back in those days.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 8:59 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    One consistent character flaw is when something has truth to it and throws shade on Trump, he turns petty and nasty and personal to those making the comments. This Epstein stuff should show Trump is thick in the middle because there is too many references and visual photos showing his involvement. Trump is a sleezy womanizer probably on a clinical level and no way would a self proclaimed user of women not get sucked into that honey pot and especially for the years this was going on. Trump was petal to the floor sleeze bag back in those days.

    Excellent point.

    Today, the WSJ reported on some bawdy letters Trump wrote to Epstein. So did Dershowitz and others. 
    Where there’s smoke there’s fire!

     

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/trump-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-letter-we-have-certain-things-in-common-f918d796?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAj4sw6lQ7FMiPVYPcSwyEQrb12PXeyhkximRtxCD73OyR9TNgKsQkPcgyJVv54%3D&gaa_ts=68799ff7&gaa_sig=aBq1yabT3H5lU6FPbC3XTJwJdW3ez4OZcV0sxEwhE48euvRUoKwJOUt5pumE8wuzUZ8gUTw6SHYJ1W0woTmgaA%3D%3D

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    One consistent character flaw is when something has truth to it and throws shade on Trump, he turns petty and nasty and personal to those making the comments. This Epstein stuff should show Trump is thick in the middle because there is too many references and visual photos showing his involvement. Trump is a sleezy womanizer probably on a clinical level and no way would a self proclaimed user of women not get sucked into that honey pot and especially for the years this was going on. Trump was petal to the floor sleeze bag back in those days.

    Excellent point.

    Today, the WSJ reported on some bawdy letters Trump wrote to Epstein. So did Dershowitz and others. 
    Where there’s smoke there’s fire!

     

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/trump-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-letter-we-have-certain-things-in-common-f918d796?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAj4sw6lQ7FMiPVYPcSwyEQrb12PXeyhkximRtxCD73OyR9TNgKsQkPcgyJVv54%3D&gaa_ts=68799ff7&gaa_sig=aBq1yabT3H5lU6FPbC3XTJwJdW3ez4OZcV0sxEwhE48euvRUoKwJOUt5pumE8wuzUZ8gUTw6SHYJ1W0woTmgaA%3D%3D

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 9:44 PM ET #10

     

    why is rump  trying to cover up the epstein files ??

    why has he ordered his personal AG to hide them from the public ??

     

     

     

     

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    why is rump  trying to cover up the epstein files ??

    why has he ordered his personal AG to hide them from the public ??

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    why is rump  trying to cover up the epstein files ?? why has he ordered his personal AG to hide them from the public ??

    Why was he on the “f***ing warpath” to kill the WSJ story about letter Trump wrote to Epstein about all the “things they have in common” together? How come that wasn’t released in the binders a few months ago? 

    Time for Special Counsel to determine if there is a conflict of interest and to unearth ALL the stuff they are hiding.

    Funny how:

    - for years Team Trump argued that Dems were hiding the Epstein files 

    - now Team Trump is arguing that the Dems invented the whole Epstein file and it’s a hoax

    Those are most certainly incongruent and contradictory stances. What is he hiding? Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

    If I am running for president in 2028, I am totally going to promise to do a full investigation into what Trump tried to bury and to release the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    why is rump  trying to cover up the epstein files ?? why has he ordered his personal AG to hide them from the public ??

    Why was he on the “f***ing warpath” to kill the WSJ story about letter Trump wrote to Epstein about all the “things they have in common” together? How come that wasn’t released in the binders a few months ago? 

    Time for Special Counsel to determine if there is a conflict of interest and to unearth ALL the stuff they are hiding.

    Funny how:

    - for years Team Trump argued that Dems were hiding the Epstein files 

    - now Team Trump is arguing that the Dems invented the whole Epstein file and it’s a hoax

    Those are most certainly incongruent and contradictory stances. What is he hiding? Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

    If I am running for president in 2028, I am totally going to promise to do a full investigation into what Trump tried to bury and to release the results.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2025 - 10:59 PM ET #12

    The former president of the doomed Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City said he had to confront Donald Trump in the 1980s for showing up on the casino floor with Jeffrey Epstein and a 19-year-old.

    Jack O’Donnell told CNN’s Erin Burnett that while the woman wasn’t a minor, the casino risked a major fine or even losing its license for letting anyone under 21 inside. O’Donnell said he also warned Trump, who turned 40 in 1986, it was “not going to look good” if he is seen hanging out with young women and Epstein, who was later exposed as a pedophile.

    “One incident that I think kind of proves their closeness and how much they hung out together. One time I came in and the commission was waiting, the inspectors were waiting in my office, and Donald and Jeffrey had come into the casino in the wee hours of Sunday morning, 1, 1:30 in the morning,” O’Donnell said.

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    The former president of the doomed Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City said he had to confront Donald Trump in the 1980s for showing up on the casino floor with Jeffrey Epstein and a 19-year-old.

    Jack O’Donnell told CNN’s Erin Burnett that while the woman wasn’t a minor, the casino risked a major fine or even losing its license for letting anyone under 21 inside. O’Donnell said he also warned Trump, who turned 40 in 1986, it was “not going to look good” if he is seen hanging out with young women and Epstein, who was later exposed as a pedophile.

    “One incident that I think kind of proves their closeness and how much they hung out together. One time I came in and the commission was waiting, the inspectors were waiting in my office, and Donald and Jeffrey had come into the casino in the wee hours of Sunday morning, 1, 1:30 in the morning,” O’Donnell said.

     
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    The SEX-OFFENDER/convicted felon in the Oval flails desperately as Epstein storm rages around his fascist regime

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    The SEX-OFFENDER/convicted felon in the Oval flails desperately as Epstein storm rages around his fascist regime

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2025 - 7:03 PM ET #14

    Whoever is running for President next could gain a lot of votes by vowing to investigate and unveil Trump’s friendship with Epstein

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    Whoever is running for President next could gain a lot of votes by vowing to investigate and unveil Trump’s friendship with Epstein

     
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    Well lets be smart here and analyze the situation, of course if the DNC had a clean sheet and lots of dirt on Trump or other RNC members they would have broadcast it during the Biden term and they did not do so.

    To me the likely truth and reality is that whatever the dirt is here implicates both sides and also likely includes some people out there with money and connections that do not want to be discovered. I'm sure that guys like Clinton, Gates and plenty of senators on both sides were screwing around and were given assurances that they were secure and safe that nothing could come out to risk their fortunes and fame.

    The easiest way to have sunk Trump would have been to release the information the year of the election cycle and given that Trump is shown multiple times on multiple occasions with him, that he praised Epstein in the past and people have witnessed him with him that he WAS involved so the fact it did not come out means there are some heavy hitters on the DNC side or in the power circles that squashed the release of the details.

    Last thing, Epstein and his circle were running a large financial scheme here and it was not some one or two person small potatoes gig, this was large and expansive. I think both of them kept good records to secure their safety and to give them options if there was risk to their enterprise so I strongly expect there are extensive and detailed records and I would expect videos as proof and we will probably never see any information revealed and for sure not an extensive complete release of all the data.

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    Well lets be smart here and analyze the situation, of course if the DNC had a clean sheet and lots of dirt on Trump or other RNC members they would have broadcast it during the Biden term and they did not do so.

    To me the likely truth and reality is that whatever the dirt is here implicates both sides and also likely includes some people out there with money and connections that do not want to be discovered. I'm sure that guys like Clinton, Gates and plenty of senators on both sides were screwing around and were given assurances that they were secure and safe that nothing could come out to risk their fortunes and fame.

    The easiest way to have sunk Trump would have been to release the information the year of the election cycle and given that Trump is shown multiple times on multiple occasions with him, that he praised Epstein in the past and people have witnessed him with him that he WAS involved so the fact it did not come out means there are some heavy hitters on the DNC side or in the power circles that squashed the release of the details.

    Last thing, Epstein and his circle were running a large financial scheme here and it was not some one or two person small potatoes gig, this was large and expansive. I think both of them kept good records to secure their safety and to give them options if there was risk to their enterprise so I strongly expect there are extensive and detailed records and I would expect videos as proof and we will probably never see any information revealed and for sure not an extensive complete release of all the data.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2025 - 7:52 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The SEX-OFFENDER/convicted felon in the Oval flails desperately as Epstein storm rages around his fascist regime

    Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles. 

    Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms, Fubah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The SEX-OFFENDER/convicted felon in the Oval flails desperately as Epstein storm rages around his fascist regime

    Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles. 

    Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms, Fubah.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2025 - 12:32 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Well lets be smart here and analyze the situation, of course if the DNC had a clean sheet and lots of dirt on Trump or other RNC members they would have broadcast it during the Biden term and they did not do so. To me the likely truth and reality is that whatever the dirt is here implicates both sides and also likely includes some people out there with money and connections that do not want to be discovered. I'm sure that guys like Clinton, Gates and plenty of senators on both sides were screwing around and were given assurances that they were secure and safe that nothing could come out to risk their fortunes and fame. The easiest way to have sunk Trump would have been to release the information the year of the election cycle and given that Trump is shown multiple times on multiple occasions with him, that he praised Epstein in the past and people have witnessed him with him that he WAS involved so the fact it did not come out means there are some heavy hitters on the DNC side or in the power circles that squashed the release of the details. Last thing, Epstein and his circle were running a large financial scheme here and it was not some one or two person small potatoes gig, this was large and expansive. I think both of them kept good records to secure their safety and to give them options if there was risk to their enterprise so I strongly expect there are extensive and detailed records and I would expect videos as proof and we will probably never see any information revealed and for sure not an extensive complete release of all the data.

    Good points, but it has occurred to me that the candidates in ‘28 may not be beholden to the old guard. Newsom, Vance are too young to have effed around with Air Epstein. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Well lets be smart here and analyze the situation, of course if the DNC had a clean sheet and lots of dirt on Trump or other RNC members they would have broadcast it during the Biden term and they did not do so. To me the likely truth and reality is that whatever the dirt is here implicates both sides and also likely includes some people out there with money and connections that do not want to be discovered. I'm sure that guys like Clinton, Gates and plenty of senators on both sides were screwing around and were given assurances that they were secure and safe that nothing could come out to risk their fortunes and fame. The easiest way to have sunk Trump would have been to release the information the year of the election cycle and given that Trump is shown multiple times on multiple occasions with him, that he praised Epstein in the past and people have witnessed him with him that he WAS involved so the fact it did not come out means there are some heavy hitters on the DNC side or in the power circles that squashed the release of the details. Last thing, Epstein and his circle were running a large financial scheme here and it was not some one or two person small potatoes gig, this was large and expansive. I think both of them kept good records to secure their safety and to give them options if there was risk to their enterprise so I strongly expect there are extensive and detailed records and I would expect videos as proof and we will probably never see any information revealed and for sure not an extensive complete release of all the data.

    Good points, but it has occurred to me that the candidates in ‘28 may not be beholden to the old guard. Newsom, Vance are too young to have effed around with Air Epstein. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2025 - 2:25 AM ET #19

    Remember that time when JD Vance said “release the list” and followed it up with “no seriously we need to release the list”

     

    Why is Trump trying to bury this? Hmmmmmm new_devil

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    Remember that time when JD Vance said “release the list” and followed it up with “no seriously we need to release the list”

     

    Why is Trump trying to bury this? Hmmmmmm new_devil

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2025 - 4:53 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles.  Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms,

    History shows minority governments are better than majority governments in most countries because bad policies are less likely to be implemented.  It is unhealthy for one party to control all branches of government.  Checks and balances are necessary to prevent abuse of power.  Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles.  Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms,

    History shows minority governments are better than majority governments in most countries because bad policies are less likely to be implemented.  It is unhealthy for one party to control all branches of government.  Checks and balances are necessary to prevent abuse of power.  Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2025 - 8:01 AM ET #21

    Wow, what I can't believe is he offed himself before realizing it's all a Hoax! So sad. Wonder why Donald didn't let him know.

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    Wow, what I can't believe is he offed himself before realizing it's all a Hoax! So sad. Wonder why Donald didn't let him know.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Well lets be smart here and analyze the situation, of course if the DNC had a clean sheet and lots of dirt on Trump or other RNC members they would have broadcast it during the Biden term and they did not do so. To me the likely truth and reality is that whatever the dirt is here implicates both sides and also likely includes some people out there with money and connections that do not want to be discovered. I'm sure that guys like Clinton, Gates and plenty of senators on both sides were screwing around and were given assurances that they were secure and safe that nothing could come out to risk their fortunes and fame. The easiest way to have sunk Trump would have been to release the information the year of the election cycle and given that Trump is shown multiple times on multiple occasions with him, that he praised Epstein in the past and people have witnessed him with him that he WAS involved so the fact it did not come out means there are some heavy hitters on the DNC side or in the power circles that squashed the release of the details. Last thing, Epstein and his circle were running a large financial scheme here and it was not some one or two person small potatoes gig, this was large and expansive. I think both of them kept good records to secure their safety and to give them options if there was risk to their enterprise so I strongly expect there are extensive and detailed records and I would expect videos as proof and we will probably never see any information revealed and for sure not an extensive complete release of all the data. Good points, but it has occurred to me that the candidates in ‘28 may not be beholden to the old guard. Newsom, Vance are too young to have effed around with Air Epstein.

    Newsome is close to 60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Well lets be smart here and analyze the situation, of course if the DNC had a clean sheet and lots of dirt on Trump or other RNC members they would have broadcast it during the Biden term and they did not do so. To me the likely truth and reality is that whatever the dirt is here implicates both sides and also likely includes some people out there with money and connections that do not want to be discovered. I'm sure that guys like Clinton, Gates and plenty of senators on both sides were screwing around and were given assurances that they were secure and safe that nothing could come out to risk their fortunes and fame. The easiest way to have sunk Trump would have been to release the information the year of the election cycle and given that Trump is shown multiple times on multiple occasions with him, that he praised Epstein in the past and people have witnessed him with him that he WAS involved so the fact it did not come out means there are some heavy hitters on the DNC side or in the power circles that squashed the release of the details. Last thing, Epstein and his circle were running a large financial scheme here and it was not some one or two person small potatoes gig, this was large and expansive. I think both of them kept good records to secure their safety and to give them options if there was risk to their enterprise so I strongly expect there are extensive and detailed records and I would expect videos as proof and we will probably never see any information revealed and for sure not an extensive complete release of all the data. Good points, but it has occurred to me that the candidates in ‘28 may not be beholden to the old guard. Newsom, Vance are too young to have effed around with Air Epstein.

    Newsome is close to 60.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2025 - 11:19 AM ET #23

    You had your chance big boy when empty suit was running the show. If Trump was on that list, it would have been much easier to drop it when you were steering the wheel. This would have eliminated him from the Presidential race. It would have been so much easier than two assassination attempts, 90 made up convictions.  Mr Dick Durbin and Christopher Wray did not help matters either ! Durbin did everything in his power to prevent the list from coming out Wray ignored requests for info. 

    Common sense is hard to come by I guess  !

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    You had your chance big boy when empty suit was running the show. If Trump was on that list, it would have been much easier to drop it when you were steering the wheel. This would have eliminated him from the Presidential race. It would have been so much easier than two assassination attempts, 90 made up convictions.  Mr Dick Durbin and Christopher Wray did not help matters either ! Durbin did everything in his power to prevent the list from coming out Wray ignored requests for info. 

    Common sense is hard to come by I guess  !

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2025 - 11:33 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles.  Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms, History shows minority governments are better than majority governments in most countries because bad policies are less likely to be implemented.  It is unhealthy for one party to control all branches of government.  Checks and balances are necessary to prevent abuse of power.  Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    Libs have certainly proven that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles.  Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms, History shows minority governments are better than majority governments in most countries because bad policies are less likely to be implemented.  It is unhealthy for one party to control all branches of government.  Checks and balances are necessary to prevent abuse of power.  Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    Libs have certainly proven that.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles.  Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms, History shows minority governments are better than majority governments in most countries because bad policies are less likely to be implemented.  It is unhealthy for one party to control all branches of government. 

    peace_5 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Under Pam Bondi, GOP controlled Congress, 6-3 conservative super majority SCOTUS, Kash Patel...I'm not sure about anything from the Epstein fallout would happen as the dust settles.  Dems need to retake majority control at least one  chamber of Congress in the next midterms, History shows minority governments are better than majority governments in most countries because bad policies are less likely to be implemented.  It is unhealthy for one party to control all branches of government. 

    peace_5 

     

     

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