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    Does this warrant 6 shots + a clear kill shot...????

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    SarasotaSlim
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2017 - 8:39 PM ET #26

    Topic: Does this warrant 6 shots + a clear kill shot...????

    YES !  When you see the whole video   The man charged and attacking the officer punching him over and over..

    Check out the video the media and the OP omitted...

    ..at the 1:45 mark ,..

    https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2017/09/24/huntington-beach-shooting-media-inflames-public-omitting-video/


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    Topic: Does this warrant 6 shots + a clear kill shot...????

    YES !  When you see the whole video   The man charged and attacking the officer punching him over and over..

    Check out the video the media and the OP omitted...

    ..at the 1:45 mark ,..

    https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2017/09/24/huntington-beach-shooting-media-inflames-public-omitting-video/


     
    mbialowas
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2017 - 9:19 PM ET #27

    Cop should have shoved the gun up the guys asss and pulled the trigger till it went click
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    Cop should have shoved the gun up the guys asss and pulled the trigger till it went click
     
    scalabrine
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2017 - 11:46 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Aceholes:

    backing a guy who was resisting arrest and grabbing for cops gun


    give me a break

    LETS try this logic 

    if you dont want to take a chance with your life DONT COMMIT multiple crimes

    robbery 
    resisting arrest
    grabbing for cops gun


    The problem is he didn't grab the cop's gun. He grabbed the cop's clip.'

    Without warning the cop puts
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    shots in him. Is this kid even 18?

    And then when he doesn't go down? a 7th shot.

    That is extrajudicial murder and the posters here (minus Stump) support this.

    This is a sick scary world
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceholes:

    backing a guy who was resisting arrest and grabbing for cops gun


    give me a break

    LETS try this logic 

    if you dont want to take a chance with your life DONT COMMIT multiple crimes

    robbery 
    resisting arrest
    grabbing for cops gun


    The problem is he didn't grab the cop's gun. He grabbed the cop's clip.'

    Without warning the cop puts
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    shots in him. Is this kid even 18?

    And then when he doesn't go down? a 7th shot.

    That is extrajudicial murder and the posters here (minus Stump) support this.

    This is a sick scary world
     
    THE-KID
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2017 - 5:52 PM ET #29

    It's not about whether I support it or not. facts are facts. Give a good cop a reason to justify shooting isn't smart. Most folks, especially minorities and criminals, think that all cops are bad. If that's true, then giving a cop a reason to shoot is stupid and/or suicidal. I do believe it was more than what was necessary. I also know that it wasn't my life on the line, so I am in no position to call it murder.

    For those that truly want to lower the amount of police violence toward citizens, how about this?

    Stop resisting arrest!

    What is more likely to happen? 

    All police stations in America will revamp their training, hiring, and pay to better cope with these situations?

    or

    People can stop resisting arrest?

    The first one isn't going to happen. at least if people went with the second option, clarifying which incidents are truly egregious would be so much easier.

    I'm not a racist. Race gets brought into these discussions because the overwhelming majority of folks that end up in these situations are minorities. Most of the videos I have seen over the years have a common element. The person being detained/arrested does something straight out of the "How to get shot by police" handbook. As if police commands like "get on the ground", "show me your hands", and "get out of the car" are optional. It's cause and effect

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    It's not about whether I support it or not. facts are facts. Give a good cop a reason to justify shooting isn't smart. Most folks, especially minorities and criminals, think that all cops are bad. If that's true, then giving a cop a reason to shoot is stupid and/or suicidal. I do believe it was more than what was necessary. I also know that it wasn't my life on the line, so I am in no position to call it murder.

    For those that truly want to lower the amount of police violence toward citizens, how about this?

    Stop resisting arrest!

    What is more likely to happen? 

    All police stations in America will revamp their training, hiring, and pay to better cope with these situations?

    or

    People can stop resisting arrest?

    The first one isn't going to happen. at least if people went with the second option, clarifying which incidents are truly egregious would be so much easier.

    I'm not a racist. Race gets brought into these discussions because the overwhelming majority of folks that end up in these situations are minorities. Most of the videos I have seen over the years have a common element. The person being detained/arrested does something straight out of the "How to get shot by police" handbook. As if police commands like "get on the ground", "show me your hands", and "get out of the car" are optional. It's cause and effect

     
    THE-KID
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2017 - 5:59 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Topic: Does this warrant 6 shots + a clear kill shot...????

    YES !  When you see the whole video   The man charged and attacking the officer punching him over and over..

    Check out the video the media and the OP omitted...

    ..at the 1:45 mark ,..

    https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2017/09/24/huntington-beach-shooting-media-inflames-public-omitting-video/



    Nice post. The media does try to get the public worked up with the way they cover these stories. If I have to explain to someone why they shouldn't punch a cop, then I'm not going to waste my breath/time. Certain things have to be assumed to be known by everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Topic: Does this warrant 6 shots + a clear kill shot...????

    YES !  When you see the whole video   The man charged and attacking the officer punching him over and over..

    Check out the video the media and the OP omitted...

    ..at the 1:45 mark ,..

    https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2017/09/24/huntington-beach-shooting-media-inflames-public-omitting-video/



    Nice post. The media does try to get the public worked up with the way they cover these stories. If I have to explain to someone why they shouldn't punch a cop, then I'm not going to waste my breath/time. Certain things have to be assumed to be known by everyone.
     
    THE-KID
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2017 - 6:06 PM ET #31

    Highly likely this was suicide by cop.

    I've read a few stories online about this guy. here is one:

    https://www.ocregister.com/2017/09/25/authorities-identify-man-shot-killed-by-huntington-beach-police-in-violent-confrontation/

    But hey, let's stick it to the cop. Fire him and arrest him for doing a job most don't want. brilliant!
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    Highly likely this was suicide by cop.

    I've read a few stories online about this guy. here is one:

    https://www.ocregister.com/2017/09/25/authorities-identify-man-shot-killed-by-huntington-beach-police-in-violent-confrontation/

    But hey, let's stick it to the cop. Fire him and arrest him for doing a job most don't want. brilliant!
     
    Hugh_Jorgan
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2017 - 7:56 PM ET #32

    It's hard to put myself in the shoes of a black man.

    Then again, it's also hard to put myself in the shoes of a police officer.

    https://nypost.com/2017/09/25/yonkers-cop-shot-in-the-face-during-routine-traffic-stop/

    I try to understand the lack of trust that the black community has with cops.

    I also try to understand why some cops might be quick on the trigger.

    It must suck to get shot because of the color of your skin.

    It must suck to get shot because of the color of your uniform.  

    It must suck to be the OP, and go through life with the burden of being one of the few people on the planet who has this all figured out.
    Such a cross to bear.
    bigreds daddy
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    It's hard to put myself in the shoes of a black man.

    Then again, it's also hard to put myself in the shoes of a police officer.

    https://nypost.com/2017/09/25/yonkers-cop-shot-in-the-face-during-routine-traffic-stop/

    I try to understand the lack of trust that the black community has with cops.

    I also try to understand why some cops might be quick on the trigger.

    It must suck to get shot because of the color of your skin.

    It must suck to get shot because of the color of your uniform.  

    It must suck to be the OP, and go through life with the burden of being one of the few people on the planet who has this all figured out.
    Such a cross to bear.
     
    Dsn150
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2017 - 1:10 AM ET #33

    https://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

    One of my favorites...
    Sheriff Judd gets my money every time...
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    https://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

    One of my favorites...
    Sheriff Judd gets my money every time...
     
    Dsn150
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2017 - 1:16 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    The problem is he didn't grab the cop's gun. He grabbed the cop's clip.'

    Without warning the cop puts
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    shots in him. Is this kid even 18?

    And then when he doesn't go down? a 7th shot.

    That is extrajudicial murder and the posters here (minus Stump) support this.

    This is a sick scary world

    Without warning?

    I won't give warning.
    Will you?

    Perhaps a scrotum massage before discussing his difficult childhood-

    Or, when you grab for my shyte, you get shot, yes 7 f*cking times...

    I'm all in with the latter...


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    The problem is he didn't grab the cop's gun. He grabbed the cop's clip.'

    Without warning the cop puts
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    shots in him. Is this kid even 18?

    And then when he doesn't go down? a 7th shot.

    That is extrajudicial murder and the posters here (minus Stump) support this.

    This is a sick scary world

    Without warning?

    I won't give warning.
    Will you?

    Perhaps a scrotum massage before discussing his difficult childhood-

    Or, when you grab for my shyte, you get shot, yes 7 f*cking times...

    I'm all in with the latter...


     
    Hugh_Jorgan
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2017 - 6:36 PM ET #35

    https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

    The FBI released its official crime tally for 2016 on Monday, and the data flies in the face of the rhetoric that professional athletes rehearsed in revived Black Lives Matter protests over the weekend.

    Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population.

    The increase in black homicides last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.

    Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks.

    In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.

    Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

    Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers — committed vastly and disproportionately by black males.

    Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.


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    https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

    The FBI released its official crime tally for 2016 on Monday, and the data flies in the face of the rhetoric that professional athletes rehearsed in revived Black Lives Matter protests over the weekend.

    Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population.

    The increase in black homicides last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.

    Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks.

    In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.

    Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

    Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers — committed vastly and disproportionately by black males.

    Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.


     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2017 - 6:38 PM ET #36

    Violent crime has now risen by a significant amount for two consecutive years. The total number of violent crimes rose 4.1 percent in 2016, and estimated homicides rose 8.6 percent.

    In 2015, violent crime rose by nearly 4 percent and estimated homicides by nearly 11 percent. The last time violence rose two years in a row was 2005-06.

    The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect. Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

    Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 a.m., many officers are instead just driving by.

    Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

    Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January 2017. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

    Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police — including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes.

    The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.


    bigreds daddy
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    Violent crime has now risen by a significant amount for two consecutive years. The total number of violent crimes rose 4.1 percent in 2016, and estimated homicides rose 8.6 percent.

    In 2015, violent crime rose by nearly 4 percent and estimated homicides by nearly 11 percent. The last time violence rose two years in a row was 2005-06.

    The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect. Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

    Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 a.m., many officers are instead just driving by.

    Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

    Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January 2017. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

    Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police — including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes.

    The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.


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