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    Bolar
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 1:34 AM ET #76

    I might say. I know Columbia. They dropped Grabsch back for a reason.
     
    If you look at yesterday's stage, they were getting help by other teams in the break.
     
    Tony Martin was one rider that wasn't doing much work in the lead pack after the gap formed I think you will find.
     
    Tony Martin is in yellow after today. Columbia know they are on the verge of carrying yellow again. To carry green and yellow again is what they want. The sponsors will be laughing. You don't know how bad they do want yellow.
     
    After today, if they win this time trial and get enough time to put Martin in yellow, they will carry.
     
    Yellow Jersey
    Green Jersey
    White Jersey
     
    Perhaps Polka Dot they will look at on stage 5 too. (they will aim for Polka dot tomorrow. They will make sure a break doesn't get away until after the first climb where Martin can take maximum points to claim it.
     
    Columbia will be highly motivated today. They are on the verge of repeating last year. Motivation is the key here. If they don't win the stage, they will want to put Martin in yellow so they will stay close to Astana, if not beat them and they will definately do saxo bank by more than 30 seconds.
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    I might say. I know Columbia. They dropped Grabsch back for a reason.
     
    If you look at yesterday's stage, they were getting help by other teams in the break.
     
    Tony Martin was one rider that wasn't doing much work in the lead pack after the gap formed I think you will find.
     
    Tony Martin is in yellow after today. Columbia know they are on the verge of carrying yellow again. To carry green and yellow again is what they want. The sponsors will be laughing. You don't know how bad they do want yellow.
     
    After today, if they win this time trial and get enough time to put Martin in yellow, they will carry.
     
    Yellow Jersey
    Green Jersey
    White Jersey
     
    Perhaps Polka Dot they will look at on stage 5 too. (they will aim for Polka dot tomorrow. They will make sure a break doesn't get away until after the first climb where Martin can take maximum points to claim it.
     
    Columbia will be highly motivated today. They are on the verge of repeating last year. Motivation is the key here. If they don't win the stage, they will want to put Martin in yellow so they will stay close to Astana, if not beat them and they will definately do saxo bank by more than 30 seconds.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 2:27 AM ET #77

    Goodluck Bolar
     
    I'm putting my money on Columbia!

    Let's get em
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    Goodluck Bolar
     
    I'm putting my money on Columbia!

    Let's get em
     
    Bolar
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 3:47 AM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    I've got doubts over Columbia today given how much petrol they used at the end of Stage 3. They were essentially riding a 40km TTT at the end of that stage when they broke up the peleton.

    The chasers did more work and Columbia had help from Astana and Milram. Grabsch dropped back and Martin didn't do much work in keeping the peloton away. They left their two time trialers fresh.

    Plus this is 39km, they don't need to do many pulls on the front. Columbia have the runs on the board. They showed it in Switzerland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    I've got doubts over Columbia today given how much petrol they used at the end of Stage 3. They were essentially riding a 40km TTT at the end of that stage when they broke up the peleton.

    The chasers did more work and Columbia had help from Astana and Milram. Grabsch dropped back and Martin didn't do much work in keeping the peloton away. They left their two time trialers fresh.

    Plus this is 39km, they don't need to do many pulls on the front. Columbia have the runs on the board. They showed it in Switzerland.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 4:19 AM ET #79

    Thanks...I see that.

    Adding

    2 units Martin in yellow @ $6.60

    I am confident that Columbia put more than 33 seconds on Saxo Bank

    Good luck!

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    Thanks...I see that.

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    2 units Martin in yellow @ $6.60

    I am confident that Columbia put more than 33 seconds on Saxo Bank

    Good luck!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 4:45 AM ET #80

    The corners suit a team with a big sprint train - Columbia and Garmin. The wind suits Garmin.
     
    These corners are very technical. Not for Astana.
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    The corners suit a team with a big sprint train - Columbia and Garmin. The wind suits Garmin.
     
    These corners are very technical. Not for Astana.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 6:25 AM ET #81

    I am going for:
     
    Garmin over Saxo Bank @1.54
    Garmin @5
    Team Columbia @8
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    I am going for:
     
    Garmin over Saxo Bank @1.54
    Garmin @5
    Team Columbia @8
     
    Bolar
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 6:46 AM ET #82

    To further the Columbia notion.
     
    Astana will be content to have time gaps over Evans and Sastre. The biggest GC threats are their own teammates and riding conservatively as a team mitigates potential conflicts. They can't gain time on each other unless they have crashes. And it would be good for them if Saxo Bank or Columbia would continue to do the pace making in the upcoming stages. In any case, I suspect that Astana will soon have to do more of the pacemaking.
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    To further the Columbia notion.
     
    Astana will be content to have time gaps over Evans and Sastre. The biggest GC threats are their own teammates and riding conservatively as a team mitigates potential conflicts. They can't gain time on each other unless they have crashes. And it would be good for them if Saxo Bank or Columbia would continue to do the pace making in the upcoming stages. In any case, I suspect that Astana will soon have to do more of the pacemaking.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 6:46 AM ET #83

    Good luck boys!
     
    Let's do this!
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    Good luck boys!
     
    Let's do this!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 6:47 AM ET #84

    3 units on Columbia over Saxo @ $1.65
     
    Good luck!
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    3 units on Columbia over Saxo @ $1.65
     
    Good luck!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 6:49 AM ET #85

    FULL BETS TODAY
     
    All in one post makes it easier to result
     
    5 units Columbia @ $6
    4 units Garmin @ $4

    2 units Columbia over Astana @ $3.62
    1 unit Cervelo Test Team over Silence Lotto @ $2.22 - Cervelo have practiced this a lot.
    2 unit Garmin over Astana @ $3.69
    3 units Columbia over Saxo Bank @ $1.68
    3 units Columbia over Saxo Bank @ $1.65
     
    2 units Martin in yellow @ $6.60
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    FULL BETS TODAY
     
    All in one post makes it easier to result
     
    5 units Columbia @ $6
    4 units Garmin @ $4

    2 units Columbia over Astana @ $3.62
    1 unit Cervelo Test Team over Silence Lotto @ $2.22 - Cervelo have practiced this a lot.
    2 unit Garmin over Astana @ $3.69
    3 units Columbia over Saxo Bank @ $1.68
    3 units Columbia over Saxo Bank @ $1.65
     
    2 units Martin in yellow @ $6.60
     
    Bolar
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 7:28 AM ET #86

    Read into this what you will:

    Interesting tidbit from l'Equipe today- when Contador crossed the line, he expressed surprise at learning that Astana had collaborated in the escape, saying no such instructions had come over team radio. Yet Popovych could be clearly seen acknowledging or forwarding the call to ride, around 25k before the finish. That tells us the call either came from within the group itself, or Bruyneel runs more than one radio channel.

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    Read into this what you will:

    Interesting tidbit from l'Equipe today- when Contador crossed the line, he expressed surprise at learning that Astana had collaborated in the escape, saying no such instructions had come over team radio. Yet Popovych could be clearly seen acknowledging or forwarding the call to ride, around 25k before the finish. That tells us the call either came from within the group itself, or Bruyneel runs more than one radio channel.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 8:03 AM ET #87

    I'll go with option 2, Bruyneel has a radio for Contador's team and one for Armstrong.
     
    To answer delasoul_iam question about Columbia.  Bolar answered it, they pushed pretty hard yesterday and might not be 100 % for today.  I prefer laying more juice ( about 6 ¢ ) to take less risk.
     
    To anyone betting : You'd better play The field @ 2.10 instead of Garmin or Columbia, you get a bit more value.
     
    Astana has intern problem, why would Contador be proud to see Armstrong in Yellow ?
     
     
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    I'll go with option 2, Bruyneel has a radio for Contador's team and one for Armstrong.
     
    To answer delasoul_iam question about Columbia.  Bolar answered it, they pushed pretty hard yesterday and might not be 100 % for today.  I prefer laying more juice ( about 6 ¢ ) to take less risk.
     
    To anyone betting : You'd better play The field @ 2.10 instead of Garmin or Columbia, you get a bit more value.
     
    Astana has intern problem, why would Contador be proud to see Armstrong in Yellow ?
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 9:01 AM ET #88

    head to head columbia- saxo

    columbia 2.0
    saxo 1.72

    from bwin.com livebetting

    any news whats just happen?
    odds on columbia grow up before they start
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    head to head columbia- saxo

    columbia 2.0
    saxo 1.72

    from bwin.com livebetting

    any news whats just happen?
    odds on columbia grow up before they start
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 9:19 AM ET #89

    It's always like, Bet365 is now offering the Field @ 2.35 instead of 2.10 before the race.
     
    You'd better jump on it, Columbia @ 1.85 on Bet365 over Saxo.
     
    Garmin dropped to 1.33
     
    Many people might think Columbia is too tired to rider today.
     
    8 units added on Columbia over Saxo Bank @ 1.85
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    It's always like, Bet365 is now offering the Field @ 2.35 instead of 2.10 before the race.
     
    You'd better jump on it, Columbia @ 1.85 on Bet365 over Saxo.
     
    Garmin dropped to 1.33
     
    Many people might think Columbia is too tired to rider today.
     
    8 units added on Columbia over Saxo Bank @ 1.85
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 10:08 AM ET #90

    HTC went as high as 2.10 over Saxo Bank, it's now back to 1.80
     
    Cervelo is 20 sec ahead of Silence at the 1st checkpoint.
     
    Katusha surprised Caisse d'Épargne finishing 6 seconds in front
     
    The field is now as high as 2.60, it deserves a bet.
     
    Garmin is leaving the gate in 15 minutes.
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    HTC went as high as 2.10 over Saxo Bank, it's now back to 1.80
     
    Cervelo is 20 sec ahead of Silence at the 1st checkpoint.
     
    Katusha surprised Caisse d'Épargne finishing 6 seconds in front
     
    The field is now as high as 2.60, it deserves a bet.
     
    Garmin is leaving the gate in 15 minutes.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 11:22 AM ET #91

    Lance Armstong in the yellow jersey?? wow
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    Lance Armstong in the yellow jersey?? wow
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 11:37 AM ET #92

    Columbia sucked today, they pushed to hard last couple of days.
     
    Garmin did a good job riding with only 5 riders almost half of the course.
     
    Oh well, we all underestimated Astana
     
    Garmin over Saxo Bank only play to cash for me
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    Columbia sucked today, they pushed to hard last couple of days.
     
    Garmin did a good job riding with only 5 riders almost half of the course.
     
    Oh well, we all underestimated Astana
     
    Garmin over Saxo Bank only play to cash for me
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 11:42 AM ET #93

    No, 2 seconds too late
     
    Went 1-1 good for 4 units
     
    Really bad day for Columbia
     
    Overall : 3-10 -23 units
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    No, 2 seconds too late
     
    Went 1-1 good for 4 units
     
    Really bad day for Columbia
     
    Overall : 3-10 -23 units
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 4:07 PM ET #94

    Don't feel the train will do great on Stage 5. They might take a day off and Hushovd will take advantage to close the gap for the green jersey.
     
    Freire might scores his first points, it's about time.
     
    Many plays but less money, to avoid any surprise
     
    2 units Feillu over Ciolek @ 2.29
    1 unit Hushovd over Cavendish @ 4.08
    2 units Farrar over Freire @ 2.09
    2 units Haussler over Renshaw @ 1.952
    2 units Fernandez over Furlan @ 2.21
    2 units Rojas over Van Hummel @ 1.763
    2 units Roche over Arashiro @ 1.909
     
    13 units in play, good luck all
     
     
     
     
     
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    Don't feel the train will do great on Stage 5. They might take a day off and Hushovd will take advantage to close the gap for the green jersey.
     
    Freire might scores his first points, it's about time.
     
    Many plays but less money, to avoid any surprise
     
    2 units Feillu over Ciolek @ 2.29
    1 unit Hushovd over Cavendish @ 4.08
    2 units Farrar over Freire @ 2.09
    2 units Haussler over Renshaw @ 1.952
    2 units Fernandez over Furlan @ 2.21
    2 units Rojas over Van Hummel @ 1.763
    2 units Roche over Arashiro @ 1.909
     
    13 units in play, good luck all
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 8:49 PM ET #95

    This is the stage to be fading Cavendish
     
    I've gone big on the field to beat Cavendish and I think today is the day Oscar shows his head and actually contests a sprint.
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    This is the stage to be fading Cavendish
     
    I've gone big on the field to beat Cavendish and I think today is the day Oscar shows his head and actually contests a sprint.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 10:14 PM ET #96

    Cavendish will fail on Stage 6 but we never know what he can do tomorrow.  Take note that favorites have won all 4 stages so far, it's about time to change.
     
    Just curious where you picked the field ?
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    Cavendish will fail on Stage 6 but we never know what he can do tomorrow.  Take note that favorites have won all 4 stages so far, it's about time to change.
     
    Just curious where you picked the field ?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2009 - 11:45 PM ET #97

    I don't think today is a sprint finish.

    If you remember back to Stage 3, no team wanted to help Columbia. They thought it was a useless exercise to help as they knew Cav would win. They hope Columbia do all the work to bring the gap back but Columbia are clearly tired.

    This will be either;

    a) a carbon copy of stage 3 with a split
    b) a break

    Don't be surprised if some major GC contenders like Silence Lotto and Rabobank who have now lost too much time on their rivals put a hammer down today in the hope of splitting the peloton to hopefully get Astana off guard.

    This stage is a mystery today IMO.

    Yet again, I thought I had a sensbile write up yesterday and I got slaughtered.

    If I play today, it's only small and I see good value in Pineau, Voeckler, Voigt and Chavanel each at 100's and maybe Haussler at 80's on betfair.

    The break is a good chance to survive today unless Columbia can bring the gap back themselves (highly possible) or GC teams repeat what Columbia did on Stage 3 (highly possible)

    Too much of a mystery to bet. Better off waiting for a classics specialist tomorrow (Andy Schleck, Allesandro Ballan or Kim Kirchen) and wait for Friday with Contador, Krueziger or Sastre.

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    I don't think today is a sprint finish.

    If you remember back to Stage 3, no team wanted to help Columbia. They thought it was a useless exercise to help as they knew Cav would win. They hope Columbia do all the work to bring the gap back but Columbia are clearly tired.

    This will be either;

    a) a carbon copy of stage 3 with a split
    b) a break

    Don't be surprised if some major GC contenders like Silence Lotto and Rabobank who have now lost too much time on their rivals put a hammer down today in the hope of splitting the peloton to hopefully get Astana off guard.

    This stage is a mystery today IMO.

    Yet again, I thought I had a sensbile write up yesterday and I got slaughtered.

    If I play today, it's only small and I see good value in Pineau, Voeckler, Voigt and Chavanel each at 100's and maybe Haussler at 80's on betfair.

    The break is a good chance to survive today unless Columbia can bring the gap back themselves (highly possible) or GC teams repeat what Columbia did on Stage 3 (highly possible)

    Too much of a mystery to bet. Better off waiting for a classics specialist tomorrow (Andy Schleck, Allesandro Ballan or Kim Kirchen) and wait for Friday with Contador, Krueziger or Sastre.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2009 - 12:07 AM ET #98

    Is it me or can anyone see the following:

    Astana being the Saulnier Duval of last year when they dominate Friday's stage.

    Some riders being a Vino in 2007?

    But they won't coz Lance is covering up the same shit he was in 1999-2005. But it would be good to see them get unstuck.

    I don't know about Columbia. They are here for stage wins and not for the GC. They might throw someone in the break...that's a possibility I suppose. This is the last real stage until Tuesday to set up a sprint for Cav.

    Rogers is high up in the GC yes, but he has done so much work in the first week. Columbia won't be featuring anywhere come Saturday week.

    But I'm not touching Cav at that price. Any other stage, I would. But this is going to be a strange stage. I've done the following and will leave it at that.

    .2 units on the following

    Vogondy @ $100
    Voigt @ $100
    Pineau @ $100
    Chavanel @ $100
    Ignatiev @ $66
    Voeckler @ $100
    Auge @ $80

    If I play anymore, it's in live betting.

    Good luck!

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    Is it me or can anyone see the following:

    Astana being the Saulnier Duval of last year when they dominate Friday's stage.

    Some riders being a Vino in 2007?

    But they won't coz Lance is covering up the same shit he was in 1999-2005. But it would be good to see them get unstuck.

    I don't know about Columbia. They are here for stage wins and not for the GC. They might throw someone in the break...that's a possibility I suppose. This is the last real stage until Tuesday to set up a sprint for Cav.

    Rogers is high up in the GC yes, but he has done so much work in the first week. Columbia won't be featuring anywhere come Saturday week.

    But I'm not touching Cav at that price. Any other stage, I would. But this is going to be a strange stage. I've done the following and will leave it at that.

    .2 units on the following

    Vogondy @ $100
    Voigt @ $100
    Pineau @ $100
    Chavanel @ $100
    Ignatiev @ $66
    Voeckler @ $100
    Auge @ $80

    If I play anymore, it's in live betting.

    Good luck!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2009 - 12:09 AM ET #99

    Columbia will be the only team that will chase down a break if they want the break caught. No other team will help them. Columbia don't have the firepower to do that. They will wait till next week where Cav can win from Tuesday to Friday

    All the other GC teams unless Evans and Sastre want to put time on Astana will take it easy today after the hard few days.

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    Columbia will be the only team that will chase down a break if they want the break caught. No other team will help them. Columbia don't have the firepower to do that. They will wait till next week where Cav can win from Tuesday to Friday

    All the other GC teams unless Evans and Sastre want to put time on Astana will take it easy today after the hard few days.

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2009 - 4:22 AM ET #100

    Okay - My plan is to attack Cavendish during the stage once I know how he is feeling and his team are going. But for now.
     
    1 unit Hushovd @ $9.50
    4 units Hushovd to place @ $2.80
     
    .2 units Haussler to win @ $86 - earlier on betfair.
     
    Good luck!
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    Okay - My plan is to attack Cavendish during the stage once I know how he is feeling and his team are going. But for now.
     
    1 unit Hushovd @ $9.50
    4 units Hushovd to place @ $2.80
     
    .2 units Haussler to win @ $86 - earlier on betfair.
     
    Good luck!
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