I went huge on the Colts right when it was released and was with you on vikes. You gotta believe that Colts line gets up over 3. The small sample size on the long overtimes as a trend still scares me. I absolutely believe both teams are banged up coming off it, but they're also far from mediocre teams and both need these wins. Hawks had to go to New Orleans which is a rough place to play in general, and the mediocre Cards team had to go to Carolina. Jacksonville doesn't really install the same fear in me. I definitely like the Falcons more than the Jags, better team and better situation with the look ahead to Thursday. The Jags line has crept down, and I'm probably gonna lock in the -3. Do you really want to take Bortles against that defense in a game they need? I agree the 5 it opened at seemed like a bit much, but down to 3 I gotta think the value is on the other side. BOL
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I went huge on the Colts right when it was released and was with you on vikes. You gotta believe that Colts line gets up over 3. The small sample size on the long overtimes as a trend still scares me. I absolutely believe both teams are banged up coming off it, but they're also far from mediocre teams and both need these wins. Hawks had to go to New Orleans which is a rough place to play in general, and the mediocre Cards team had to go to Carolina. Jacksonville doesn't really install the same fear in me. I definitely like the Falcons more than the Jags, better team and better situation with the look ahead to Thursday. The Jags line has crept down, and I'm probably gonna lock in the -3. Do you really want to take Bortles against that defense in a game they need? I agree the 5 it opened at seemed like a bit much, but down to 3 I gotta think the value is on the other side. BOL
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground..
KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
First of all, I agree with you that KC is a team that can punch you in the mouth and is a legitimate title contender. But they are beat up with their front seven, just look at this:
Howard (IR yesterday)
Poe back spasms, questionable
Ford, Hamstring injury wont be 100% IF he plays
Houston, just got back, now shoulder injury that may limit him
Johnson, ankle injury, limited
Hali, Not 1 but 2 injured knees, limited each week
Corners:
Peters, hip pointer playing through it on one leg
Nelson, neck injury and if he can't play again you get Gaines that shouldn't even be in NFL
As for the look ahead spot, that is VERY REAL with the big Thursday night game with the Raiders on deck. I'm not saying that the Chiefs are willing to give up a game in the division and I'm sure they'll play hard (they always do) just that with all the injuries (not even counting Maclin on the offensive side of the ball) they have landed in a HORRIBLE spot this Sunday. I'm going to the game, LOVE MY CHIEFS and hopefully I'll have a lot to cheer about, but given the circumstances with a short week, back on the road against a very good team and all the injuries, I just can't see it.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground..
KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
First of all, I agree with you that KC is a team that can punch you in the mouth and is a legitimate title contender. But they are beat up with their front seven, just look at this:
Howard (IR yesterday)
Poe back spasms, questionable
Ford, Hamstring injury wont be 100% IF he plays
Houston, just got back, now shoulder injury that may limit him
Johnson, ankle injury, limited
Hali, Not 1 but 2 injured knees, limited each week
Corners:
Peters, hip pointer playing through it on one leg
Nelson, neck injury and if he can't play again you get Gaines that shouldn't even be in NFL
As for the look ahead spot, that is VERY REAL with the big Thursday night game with the Raiders on deck. I'm not saying that the Chiefs are willing to give up a game in the division and I'm sure they'll play hard (they always do) just that with all the injuries (not even counting Maclin on the offensive side of the ball) they have landed in a HORRIBLE spot this Sunday. I'm going to the game, LOVE MY CHIEFS and hopefully I'll have a lot to cheer about, but given the circumstances with a short week, back on the road against a very good team and all the injuries, I just can't see it.
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground..
KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
They are human beings, not robots. You don't get up 100% for each game each week, impossible. It's simple sports psychology. They don't prepare for this game the same way they would prepare for Oakland if they lost an early 1 pm game.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground..
KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
They are human beings, not robots. You don't get up 100% for each game each week, impossible. It's simple sports psychology. They don't prepare for this game the same way they would prepare for Oakland if they lost an early 1 pm game.
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground..
KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
The point is not that the team is willing to lose, obviously...only that a team's focus for the current game may not be as good as it is for the game to come which has greater importance.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground..
KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
The point is not that the team is willing to lose, obviously...only that a team's focus for the current game may not be as good as it is for the game to come which has greater importance.
Are you at all concerned with the playing for the dead angle following yesterday's news about Joe McKnight? As a life long Jets fan I believe Indy with a healthy Andrew Luck will be too much for NY's sorry secondary to handle, however, teams tend to play inspired football after an incident like this.
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Suuma,
Are you at all concerned with the playing for the dead angle following yesterday's news about Joe McKnight? As a life long Jets fan I believe Indy with a healthy Andrew Luck will be too much for NY's sorry secondary to handle, however, teams tend to play inspired football after an incident like this.
Are you at all concerned with the playing for the dead angle following yesterday's news about Joe McKnight? As a life long Jets fan I believe Indy with a healthy Andrew Luck will be too much for NY's sorry secondary to handle, however, teams tend to play inspired football after an incident like this.
how many of the current Jets ever even knew McKnight??
likely not enough to affect this
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Quote Originally Posted by jmcgrane724:
Suuma,
Are you at all concerned with the playing for the dead angle following yesterday's news about Joe McKnight? As a life long Jets fan I believe Indy with a healthy Andrew Luck will be too much for NY's sorry secondary to handle, however, teams tend to play inspired football after an incident like this.
how many of the current Jets ever even knew McKnight??
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground.. KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
Action, I totally agree! Teams play one game at a time and don't start game planning until the previous one is over. That's an example of a,silly cliche, or wives tale, that has somehow,stuck in our thinking. But its,pure fluff.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week? Defeats the whole purpose of trying to gain ground.. KC played a tough game yes but that team can punch you in the mouth. They're a legit title contender in my estimation. I see a close game with KC having a shot to win.
Action, I totally agree! Teams play one game at a time and don't start game planning until the previous one is over. That's an example of a,silly cliche, or wives tale, that has somehow,stuck in our thinking. But its,pure fluff.
Action, I totally agree! Teams play one game at a time and don't start game planning until the previous one is over. That's an example of a,silly cliche, or wives tale, that has somehow,stuck in our thinking. But its,pure fluff.
So according to you, outside factors such as fatigue, played 5 quarters the week before and have THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE SEASON COMING up 4 days after the Atlanta game is fluff? Then you're delusional...
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Quote Originally Posted by footballsmart:
Action, I totally agree! Teams play one game at a time and don't start game planning until the previous one is over. That's an example of a,silly cliche, or wives tale, that has somehow,stuck in our thinking. But its,pure fluff.
So according to you, outside factors such as fatigue, played 5 quarters the week before and have THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE SEASON COMING up 4 days after the Atlanta game is fluff? Then you're delusional...
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week?
Yes? The divisional game is worth 2 games.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week?
So according to you, outside factors such as fatigue, played 5 quarters the week before and have THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE SEASON COMING up 4 days after the Atlanta game is fluff? Then you're delusional...
Of course those factors,count, but I still think teams,are,trying to win the game in front of them and that we overemphasize the negative effects of the game after that. They don't have time to worry about Thursday when they are,still facing Sunday. Every game counts. And I'm probably not delusional. I have worked with nfl teams on the inside unlike most people out ther.and. otherwise to brag or seem important, but be careful how you choose your words dude.
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Quote Originally Posted by KcChief1957:
So according to you, outside factors such as fatigue, played 5 quarters the week before and have THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE SEASON COMING up 4 days after the Atlanta game is fluff? Then you're delusional...
Of course those factors,count, but I still think teams,are,trying to win the game in front of them and that we overemphasize the negative effects of the game after that. They don't have time to worry about Thursday when they are,still facing Sunday. Every game counts. And I'm probably not delusional. I have worked with nfl teams on the inside unlike most people out ther.and. otherwise to brag or seem important, but be careful how you choose your words dude.
Of course those factors,count, but I still think teams,are,trying to win the game in front of them and that we overemphasize the negative effects of the game after that. They don't have time to worry about Thursday when they are,still facing Sunday. Every game counts. And I'm probably not delusional. I have worked with nfl teams on the inside unlike most people out ther.and. otherwise to brag or seem important, but be careful how you choose your words dude.
I worked for the Phoenix Suns for 7 years too (not to brag) but what the hell does that have to do with handicapping games? Oh maybe you have information that others don't have that also wouldn't be considered fluff? Unknown injuries, illness, fatigue etc. And don't you worry, I do choose my words carefully DUDE
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Quote Originally Posted by footballsmart:
Of course those factors,count, but I still think teams,are,trying to win the game in front of them and that we overemphasize the negative effects of the game after that. They don't have time to worry about Thursday when they are,still facing Sunday. Every game counts. And I'm probably not delusional. I have worked with nfl teams on the inside unlike most people out ther.and. otherwise to brag or seem important, but be careful how you choose your words dude.
I worked for the Phoenix Suns for 7 years too (not to brag) but what the hell does that have to do with handicapping games? Oh maybe you have information that others don't have that also wouldn't be considered fluff? Unknown injuries, illness, fatigue etc. And don't you worry, I do choose my words carefully DUDE
Go back and read what action wrote, which I copy below. I stand by my view that this idea that teams think too much about games 2 weeks, ahead and ignore current opponents, gets much more air time than its worth. I thought action brought up a good point, and I was not referring to fatigue from previous,gamesor other outside factors, that you threw in ... I just believe there is enough to do to get ready for current opponents, and all games matter, and that thinking about opponents 2 or 3 weeks,in the future too much as,a,distraction is indeed fluff :-)) ... we can disagree, perfectly fine with me.
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week?
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Chief,
Go back and read what action wrote, which I copy below. I stand by my view that this idea that teams think too much about games 2 weeks, ahead and ignore current opponents, gets much more air time than its worth. I thought action brought up a good point, and I was not referring to fatigue from previous,gamesor other outside factors, that you threw in ... I just believe there is enough to do to get ready for current opponents, and all games matter, and that thinking about opponents 2 or 3 weeks,in the future too much as,a,distraction is indeed fluff :-)) ... we can disagree, perfectly fine with me.
KC/ATL - I never understood the whole "they play a rival team next week" angle.. So a team is willing to lose a game and drop 1 behind in the loss column because they're playing a division game of rival the following week?
But they are beat up with their front seven, just look at this:
Howard (IR yesterday)
Poe back spasms, questionable
Ford, Hamstring injury wont be 100% IF he plays
Houston, just got back, now shoulder injury that may limit him
Johnson, ankle injury, limited
Hali, Not 1 but 2 injured knees, limited each week
Corners:
Peters, hip pointer playing through it on one leg
Nelson, neck injury and if he can't play again you get Gaines that shouldn't even be in NFL
Gotta luv it! You ramble on as though the Chefs are the only team in the league with injuries. Hell every team has injuries and every team has players with nagging injuries and they play on Sunday. Stop trying to pretend the Chefs are handicapped before the opening kickoff of every game. Good teams find a way to overcome the ankle and hamstring injuries along with the spasms and whatever. "Wont be 100% if he plays". Do you know how many players play on the underside of 100% every Sunday? Give me a break and cry me a river.
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Quote Originally Posted by KcChief1957:
But they are beat up with their front seven, just look at this:
Howard (IR yesterday)
Poe back spasms, questionable
Ford, Hamstring injury wont be 100% IF he plays
Houston, just got back, now shoulder injury that may limit him
Johnson, ankle injury, limited
Hali, Not 1 but 2 injured knees, limited each week
Corners:
Peters, hip pointer playing through it on one leg
Nelson, neck injury and if he can't play again you get Gaines that shouldn't even be in NFL
Gotta luv it! You ramble on as though the Chefs are the only team in the league with injuries. Hell every team has injuries and every team has players with nagging injuries and they play on Sunday. Stop trying to pretend the Chefs are handicapped before the opening kickoff of every game. Good teams find a way to overcome the ankle and hamstring injuries along with the spasms and whatever. "Wont be 100% if he plays". Do you know how many players play on the underside of 100% every Sunday? Give me a break and cry me a river.
Gotta luv it! You ramble on as though the Chefs are the only team in the league with injuries. Hell every team has injuries and every team has players with nagging injuries and they play on Sunday. Stop trying to pretend the Chefs are handicapped before the opening kickoff of every game. Good teams find a way to overcome the ankle and hamstring injuries along with the spasms and whatever. "Wont be 100% if he plays". Do you know how many players play on the underside of 100% every Sunday? Give me a break and cry me a river.
I specifically am talking about the upcoming Atlanta game and I try to pretend they're handicapped EVERY GAME? Can you read? But you are right on one thing: Good teams find a way to overcome the injuries and still win just like they did against the donkeys last weekend. My reasoning for stating the injuries was to provide info to the board to state FACTS (YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE RIGHT?) to back up my opinion that the CHIEFS will probably not cover this weekend. So cry your own river clown! LOL
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Quote Originally Posted by pinballwizard:
Gotta luv it! You ramble on as though the Chefs are the only team in the league with injuries. Hell every team has injuries and every team has players with nagging injuries and they play on Sunday. Stop trying to pretend the Chefs are handicapped before the opening kickoff of every game. Good teams find a way to overcome the ankle and hamstring injuries along with the spasms and whatever. "Wont be 100% if he plays". Do you know how many players play on the underside of 100% every Sunday? Give me a break and cry me a river.
I specifically am talking about the upcoming Atlanta game and I try to pretend they're handicapped EVERY GAME? Can you read? But you are right on one thing: Good teams find a way to overcome the injuries and still win just like they did against the donkeys last weekend. My reasoning for stating the injuries was to provide info to the board to state FACTS (YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE RIGHT?) to back up my opinion that the CHIEFS will probably not cover this weekend. So cry your own river clown! LOL
So according to you, outside factors such as fatigue, played 5 quarters the week before and have THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE SEASON COMING up 4 days after the Atlanta game is fluff? Then you're delusional...
Biggest game of season? How is the Raider game any bigger to KC than the Atlanta game? Does a win vs the Raiders equate to 2 wins? I don't see it. All games are big with 5 games left. ATL is a punk team that will drop into a fetal position when the game gets physical. Those guys ain't ready for the Chiefs. We shall see.
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Quote Originally Posted by KcChief1957:
So according to you, outside factors such as fatigue, played 5 quarters the week before and have THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE SEASON COMING up 4 days after the Atlanta game is fluff? Then you're delusional...
Biggest game of season? How is the Raider game any bigger to KC than the Atlanta game? Does a win vs the Raiders equate to 2 wins? I don't see it. All games are big with 5 games left. ATL is a punk team that will drop into a fetal position when the game gets physical. Those guys ain't ready for the Chiefs. We shall see.
Solid card. I'm on the same side, and locked in on a half point card with Falcons - 4.5 - Jaguars + 4.5 - GB - 6.5 - NO 5.5 - WAS +2.5 - SEA - 6.5 - $100.00, 40 for 1 to win $4000.
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Solid card. I'm on the same side, and locked in on a half point card with Falcons - 4.5 - Jaguars + 4.5 - GB - 6.5 - NO 5.5 - WAS +2.5 - SEA - 6.5 - $100.00, 40 for 1 to win $4000.
Biggest game of season? How is the Raider game any bigger to KC than the Atlanta game? Does a win vs the Raiders equate to 2 wins? I don't see it. All games are big with 5 games left. ATL is a punk team that will drop into a fetal position when the game gets physical. Those guys ain't ready for the Chiefs. We shall see.
How is an out-of-conference game less important than a game against the team ahead of you in your division? Is that really what you're asking?
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
Biggest game of season? How is the Raider game any bigger to KC than the Atlanta game? Does a win vs the Raiders equate to 2 wins? I don't see it. All games are big with 5 games left. ATL is a punk team that will drop into a fetal position when the game gets physical. Those guys ain't ready for the Chiefs. We shall see.
How is an out-of-conference game less important than a game against the team ahead of you in your division? Is that really what you're asking?
as usual, i agree with the majority of Summa's picks, except one...
i cannot figure out for the life of me what the infatuation is with Jax this week. i mean, if you have numbers that would sway me, i'm all up to hear them.... but...
i just dont see where the Jax points are going to come from... every skill position starter save A-Rob is out... no julius thomas, no alan hearns, no ivory or TJYeldon... they're saying Denard will get a bunch of carries... i dont wanna bet my dollars on Denard and the Bortles-ARob connection...
yes, the Jax Def might play well... perhaps the final will be Denver 13-10 or 10-6... but way too small margin of error with those low score games.... hell, the difference between 13-10 and 13-7 is one doinked FG....
its a BIG no-play game for me
BOL
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as usual, i agree with the majority of Summa's picks, except one...
i cannot figure out for the life of me what the infatuation is with Jax this week. i mean, if you have numbers that would sway me, i'm all up to hear them.... but...
i just dont see where the Jax points are going to come from... every skill position starter save A-Rob is out... no julius thomas, no alan hearns, no ivory or TJYeldon... they're saying Denard will get a bunch of carries... i dont wanna bet my dollars on Denard and the Bortles-ARob connection...
yes, the Jax Def might play well... perhaps the final will be Denver 13-10 or 10-6... but way too small margin of error with those low score games.... hell, the difference between 13-10 and 13-7 is one doinked FG....
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