Don't like the Denver pick. 2 road games in a row and have to travel all the way to MD to play BAL. I think they get thumped by BAL. I know ppl are saying that they just played a bruising game last week against PIT, but so did DEN. TEN is just as physical plus they have to travel. BAL will still be physical. DEN has a great passing game, but I don't see them to just chucked the ball against BAL becuz they don't run. BAL D is too good to be able to just passed making them very predictable.
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Don't like the Denver pick. 2 road games in a row and have to travel all the way to MD to play BAL. I think they get thumped by BAL. I know ppl are saying that they just played a bruising game last week against PIT, but so did DEN. TEN is just as physical plus they have to travel. BAL will still be physical. DEN has a great passing game, but I don't see them to just chucked the ball against BAL becuz they don't run. BAL D is too good to be able to just passed making them very predictable.
I agree with Denver. Maybe I'll actually pull the trigger this week.
Buffalo looks to be the perfect spot. I'm not sure I can put my cash on them, but it's setting up good for them. I agree with your thoughts on Spiller. Guy is electric when he has the ball in his hands, and can break one at any time. A couple of games ago, I was watching Buffalo pound away with Lynch, while Spiller did nothing except return a punt or two. I couldn't figure it out. Right now, Spiller and Jackson each need 15+ touches to give Buffalo the best chance to win, and saying goodbye to Lynch should set that up for Sunday.
I still got a handful of shortcuts to watch and some stat crunching to do, but my early leans are Denver, Dallas, Giants, Cleveland, and Minnesota.
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Looks good, Mac.
I agree with Denver. Maybe I'll actually pull the trigger this week.
Buffalo looks to be the perfect spot. I'm not sure I can put my cash on them, but it's setting up good for them. I agree with your thoughts on Spiller. Guy is electric when he has the ball in his hands, and can break one at any time. A couple of games ago, I was watching Buffalo pound away with Lynch, while Spiller did nothing except return a punt or two. I couldn't figure it out. Right now, Spiller and Jackson each need 15+ touches to give Buffalo the best chance to win, and saying goodbye to Lynch should set that up for Sunday.
I still got a handful of shortcuts to watch and some stat crunching to do, but my early leans are Denver, Dallas, Giants, Cleveland, and Minnesota.
The price is wrong on a Titans game again. Sooner or later the books will realize just how shitty this Tennessee team is. This is one of the worst 10 teams in the league. Vince Young is garbage and Chris Johnson has absolutely nowhere to run. Dallas is 1-2 and looks worse this year but they really beat themselves in those 2 losses. If they limit mistakes they roll.
Most may not agree but IMO this Dallas defense is one of the Top 5 units in the league. I've only gone back to the 2002 season but if you blindly bet the Top 5 defenses (points against) at home no matter the line from 2002-2009 you'd be hitting 65% ATS over a 300+ game sample. Sick. Only trouble is figuring out who the Top 5 defenses are, because of course I had the luxury of looking at final season numbers.
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We are on the same page here. For a team that just a couple weeks ago was DONE because Houston was gonna steamroll them and effectively end their season, their numbers are deceptively good after three games.
In three games(two of the three being on the road), against opponents with a combined record of 9-3, they outgained these teams by an AVERAGE of 80+ yards a game. Their defense has given up less than 300 yards per game, and I think they are only gonna get better as the season progresses. Definitely a top 5 defense when it is all said and done, imo.
I'd lock up Dallas right now -6.5, but for some reason, I have a feeling it doesn't touch 7. Maybe it will float down a bit?
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
The price is wrong on a Titans game again. Sooner or later the books will realize just how shitty this Tennessee team is. This is one of the worst 10 teams in the league. Vince Young is garbage and Chris Johnson has absolutely nowhere to run. Dallas is 1-2 and looks worse this year but they really beat themselves in those 2 losses. If they limit mistakes they roll.
Most may not agree but IMO this Dallas defense is one of the Top 5 units in the league. I've only gone back to the 2002 season but if you blindly bet the Top 5 defenses (points against) at home no matter the line from 2002-2009 you'd be hitting 65% ATS over a 300+ game sample. Sick. Only trouble is figuring out who the Top 5 defenses are, because of course I had the luxury of looking at final season numbers.
GL
We are on the same page here. For a team that just a couple weeks ago was DONE because Houston was gonna steamroll them and effectively end their season, their numbers are deceptively good after three games.
In three games(two of the three being on the road), against opponents with a combined record of 9-3, they outgained these teams by an AVERAGE of 80+ yards a game. Their defense has given up less than 300 yards per game, and I think they are only gonna get better as the season progresses. Definitely a top 5 defense when it is all said and done, imo.
I'd lock up Dallas right now -6.5, but for some reason, I have a feeling it doesn't touch 7. Maybe it will float down a bit?
spiller hasnt looked that great at being able to spot holes in the backfield. i think the guy who'll really benefit from lynch's departure is fred jackson! this is a guy that had 1,000 rushing and 1,000 yards in special teams last year, over 2,000 total yards. The guy has had only 10 touches this year. Thats just ridiculous.
I should have said in the earlier post that Jackson will probably be the new #1 guy, but Spiller should see his carries go way up. As far as him finding the hole I think just getting the rock more and getting into a more consistent flow in the run game will open up holes for him. Spiller is also a very good receiver, much better than Lynch who caught 1 ball all year.
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Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:
spiller hasnt looked that great at being able to spot holes in the backfield. i think the guy who'll really benefit from lynch's departure is fred jackson! this is a guy that had 1,000 rushing and 1,000 yards in special teams last year, over 2,000 total yards. The guy has had only 10 touches this year. Thats just ridiculous.
I should have said in the earlier post that Jackson will probably be the new #1 guy, but Spiller should see his carries go way up. As far as him finding the hole I think just getting the rock more and getting into a more consistent flow in the run game will open up holes for him. Spiller is also a very good receiver, much better than Lynch who caught 1 ball all year.
Bills 27th ranked defense and dead last against the rush giving up over 174 yards per game ranked 31st... I know its only week 5 but the Bills are atrocious
Jacksonville is ranked 30th defensively.
Bills give up 4.6 yards per rush, Jacksonville 4.3
Bills gain 4.7 yards per rush, Jacksonville 4.1
Buffalo actually has a better net yards per carry but it is a limited sample.
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Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:
Bills 27th ranked defense and dead last against the rush giving up over 174 yards per game ranked 31st... I know its only week 5 but the Bills are atrocious
Jacksonville is ranked 30th defensively.
Bills give up 4.6 yards per rush, Jacksonville 4.3
Bills gain 4.7 yards per rush, Jacksonville 4.1
Buffalo actually has a better net yards per carry but it is a limited sample.
Don't like the Denver pick. 2 road games in a row and have to travel all the way to MD to play BAL. I think they get thumped by BAL. I know ppl are saying that they just played a bruising game last week against PIT, but so did DEN. TEN is just as physical plus they have to travel. BAL will still be physical. DEN has a great passing game, but I don't see them to just chucked the ball against BAL becuz they don't run. BAL D is too good to be able to just passed making them very predictable.
This game will either be a nail biter or a Baltimore blowout. I just think the situation favors the former.
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Quote Originally Posted by messss1:
Don't like the Denver pick. 2 road games in a row and have to travel all the way to MD to play BAL. I think they get thumped by BAL. I know ppl are saying that they just played a bruising game last week against PIT, but so did DEN. TEN is just as physical plus they have to travel. BAL will still be physical. DEN has a great passing game, but I don't see them to just chucked the ball against BAL becuz they don't run. BAL D is too good to be able to just passed making them very predictable.
This game will either be a nail biter or a Baltimore blowout. I just think the situation favors the former.
I agree with Denver. Maybe I'll actually pull the trigger this week.
Buffalo looks to be the perfect spot. I'm not sure I can put my cash on them, but it's setting up good for them. I agree with your thoughts on Spiller. Guy is electric when he has the ball in his hands, and can break one at any time. A couple of games ago, I was watching Buffalo pound away with Lynch, while Spiller did nothing except return a punt or two. I couldn't figure it out. Right now, Spiller and Jackson each need 15+ touches to give Buffalo the best chance to win, and saying goodbye to Lynch should set that up for Sunday.
I still got a handful of shortcuts to watch and some stat crunching to do, but my early leans are Denver, Dallas, Giants, Cleveland, and Minnesota.
Good point with Lynch. They need the game breaker in Spiller in there to get some excitement going around the stadium.
There's something about that Cleveland team. You nailed it before the start of the year when you said they will overachieve and battle every game and that it exactly what they've done. Great call so far, My Under bet is. It's only been 4 weeks and maybe the stats mean little to nothing but Cleveland is averaging more YPC than Atlanta, giving up fewer YPC and are passing for the same number of YPA. Only advantage Atlanta has there is YPA against.
Gun to my head I would play Minny too. I still think it will be a disappointing year for them but the Jets have looked like champs 3 games in a row which is very hard to do in this league, 4 weeks is almost impossible. This week they get a bunch of guys back, everyone thinks they will be better but they could lay an egg.
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:
Looks good, Mac.
I agree with Denver. Maybe I'll actually pull the trigger this week.
Buffalo looks to be the perfect spot. I'm not sure I can put my cash on them, but it's setting up good for them. I agree with your thoughts on Spiller. Guy is electric when he has the ball in his hands, and can break one at any time. A couple of games ago, I was watching Buffalo pound away with Lynch, while Spiller did nothing except return a punt or two. I couldn't figure it out. Right now, Spiller and Jackson each need 15+ touches to give Buffalo the best chance to win, and saying goodbye to Lynch should set that up for Sunday.
I still got a handful of shortcuts to watch and some stat crunching to do, but my early leans are Denver, Dallas, Giants, Cleveland, and Minnesota.
Good point with Lynch. They need the game breaker in Spiller in there to get some excitement going around the stadium.
There's something about that Cleveland team. You nailed it before the start of the year when you said they will overachieve and battle every game and that it exactly what they've done. Great call so far, My Under bet is. It's only been 4 weeks and maybe the stats mean little to nothing but Cleveland is averaging more YPC than Atlanta, giving up fewer YPC and are passing for the same number of YPA. Only advantage Atlanta has there is YPA against.
Gun to my head I would play Minny too. I still think it will be a disappointing year for them but the Jets have looked like champs 3 games in a row which is very hard to do in this league, 4 weeks is almost impossible. This week they get a bunch of guys back, everyone thinks they will be better but they could lay an egg.
We are on the same page here. For a team that just a couple weeks ago was DONE because Houston was gonna steamroll them and effectively end their season, their numbers are deceptively good after three games.
In three games(two of the three being on the road), against opponents with a combined record of 9-3, they outgained these teams by an AVERAGE of 80+ yards a game. Their defense has given up less than 300 yards per game, and I think they are only gonna get better as the season progresses. Definitely a top 5 defense when it is all said and done, imo.
I'd lock up Dallas right now -6.5, but for some reason, I have a feeling it doesn't touch 7. Maybe it will float down a bit?
If it was Week 12 this line would be 10.
They got their 2 o-linemen back last game too which was a big boost to the offense and allowed them to open it up a bit more and have some more balance.
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:
We are on the same page here. For a team that just a couple weeks ago was DONE because Houston was gonna steamroll them and effectively end their season, their numbers are deceptively good after three games.
In three games(two of the three being on the road), against opponents with a combined record of 9-3, they outgained these teams by an AVERAGE of 80+ yards a game. Their defense has given up less than 300 yards per game, and I think they are only gonna get better as the season progresses. Definitely a top 5 defense when it is all said and done, imo.
I'd lock up Dallas right now -6.5, but for some reason, I have a feeling it doesn't touch 7. Maybe it will float down a bit?
If it was Week 12 this line would be 10.
They got their 2 o-linemen back last game too which was a big boost to the offense and allowed them to open it up a bit more and have some more balance.
Mac and Glyde - what do you guys like about the Giants? (maybe it was just glyde that likes them).
I think their pass rush was more a product of the BEars o-line than them. I think it will go back to the way it was - non-existant. Kinda thinking about the Texan TT Over.
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Mac and Glyde - what do you guys like about the Giants? (maybe it was just glyde that likes them).
I think their pass rush was more a product of the BEars o-line than them. I think it will go back to the way it was - non-existant. Kinda thinking about the Texan TT Over.
Tito, I wish I could give you some thoughts, but I am USELESS when it comes to totals of any sort. To me, I see a 31-17 kind of game with the Giants on top. Now that I said that, it will be a 10-6 final.
I do agree with you about the Giant D-line to a point though. Yes, I think the Bears O-Line were the real dogs in that game rather than the Giants looking like world beaters. But no, I don't think they will be "non-existant" when they go to Houston on Sunday. If anything, I am banking on that Bear game to fire up that squad who wasn't playing up to their potential the first 3 games. Will they stop Houston's run game? I'm not so sure and we will find out Sunday. Will they pressure Schaub and force him into bad throws into a swarming secondary? Yes, I think they can do that.
I've also seen a bunch of people talking about how the Giants will not be able to run on a Houston D that is only giving up 70 yards on the ground, and I disagree. The Raiders ran with success and that was being down for most of the second half. Playing Indy in 1 of 4 games will skewed the stats in Houston's favor. Washington hasn't run a lick this year except for last week in Philly. Dallas hasn't run on anyone either with their line problems. So the Giants absolutely CAN run on this team.
On a side note, I locked up Minny +4 earlier this morning. I'm not taking a chance that the bookies get cute and try to drop the line a point or two in trying to gauge the average sucker's overreaction to the Randy Moss trade. Shit, I'm not even sure the trade actually happened.
One thing I wonder. With the Vikes aggressively going after and getting Randy(and also going after V Jackson), I have to wonder if they don't already know Sidney Rice's fate and made a move to bring a legit WR to compliment Harvin, Berrian, and Shaincoe. I'm starting to wonder if Rice will be off the PUP come Week 7.
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Tito, I wish I could give you some thoughts, but I am USELESS when it comes to totals of any sort. To me, I see a 31-17 kind of game with the Giants on top. Now that I said that, it will be a 10-6 final.
I do agree with you about the Giant D-line to a point though. Yes, I think the Bears O-Line were the real dogs in that game rather than the Giants looking like world beaters. But no, I don't think they will be "non-existant" when they go to Houston on Sunday. If anything, I am banking on that Bear game to fire up that squad who wasn't playing up to their potential the first 3 games. Will they stop Houston's run game? I'm not so sure and we will find out Sunday. Will they pressure Schaub and force him into bad throws into a swarming secondary? Yes, I think they can do that.
I've also seen a bunch of people talking about how the Giants will not be able to run on a Houston D that is only giving up 70 yards on the ground, and I disagree. The Raiders ran with success and that was being down for most of the second half. Playing Indy in 1 of 4 games will skewed the stats in Houston's favor. Washington hasn't run a lick this year except for last week in Philly. Dallas hasn't run on anyone either with their line problems. So the Giants absolutely CAN run on this team.
On a side note, I locked up Minny +4 earlier this morning. I'm not taking a chance that the bookies get cute and try to drop the line a point or two in trying to gauge the average sucker's overreaction to the Randy Moss trade. Shit, I'm not even sure the trade actually happened.
One thing I wonder. With the Vikes aggressively going after and getting Randy(and also going after V Jackson), I have to wonder if they don't already know Sidney Rice's fate and made a move to bring a legit WR to compliment Harvin, Berrian, and Shaincoe. I'm starting to wonder if Rice will be off the PUP come Week 7.
thanks Glyde - I too, am useless with totals, yet I still play them, lol.
we will see about that d-line, it may be the bitter fan in me talking. i just don't think it is what it used to be, I hope I'm wrong.
I think Foster is going to have huge game, but I see that AJ and Jones are both ? for the game - that won't help and I would certainly be off the Texans total if that was the case.
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thanks Glyde - I too, am useless with totals, yet I still play them, lol.
we will see about that d-line, it may be the bitter fan in me talking. i just don't think it is what it used to be, I hope I'm wrong.
I think Foster is going to have huge game, but I see that AJ and Jones are both ? for the game - that won't help and I would certainly be off the Texans total if that was the case.
You know, I just heard a interview with OL Diehl for the NYG. It sounds like this win really pumped them up and did a lot for the team. They are also pissed about the whole, " Coach has lost the team" shit, actually got me off the Texans and slight lean to the Gmen...
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You know, I just heard a interview with OL Diehl for the NYG. It sounds like this win really pumped them up and did a lot for the team. They are also pissed about the whole, " Coach has lost the team" shit, actually got me off the Texans and slight lean to the Gmen...
I'll disagree with you guys on the Gmen---they just played out of their minds on primetime against a team that has no receivers and zero o-line, and now have to travel to Houston and somehow cover the Texans aerial weapons and Arian Foster (the Bears can't run the ball, period). And it's not like they were world beaters on offense against the Bears either, and had a ton of penalties (yet again).
This team has a bad secondary and will not be the Giants of 2007 overnight on defense.
Would like more information on look of backup LT for Houston as I didn't watch the Oakland game, but I'm happy to lay points against an undisciplined team on the road.
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I'll disagree with you guys on the Gmen---they just played out of their minds on primetime against a team that has no receivers and zero o-line, and now have to travel to Houston and somehow cover the Texans aerial weapons and Arian Foster (the Bears can't run the ball, period). And it's not like they were world beaters on offense against the Bears either, and had a ton of penalties (yet again).
This team has a bad secondary and will not be the Giants of 2007 overnight on defense.
Would like more information on look of backup LT for Houston as I didn't watch the Oakland game, but I'm happy to lay points against an undisciplined team on the road.
Really enjoy your thoughts each week, Andy This thread is an asset to the site.
I like Buffalo, Dallas, Detroit and Cleveland for what it's worth.
You're probably right about Indy......but I hope my Chiefs can get a running game going. They have to if they want to keep this close. Indy being down to their third string safety ain't gonna help their defense much in my opinion.
GL this weekend
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Really enjoy your thoughts each week, Andy This thread is an asset to the site.
I like Buffalo, Dallas, Detroit and Cleveland for what it's worth.
You're probably right about Indy......but I hope my Chiefs can get a running game going. They have to if they want to keep this close. Indy being down to their third string safety ain't gonna help their defense much in my opinion.
Really enjoy your thoughts each week, Andy This thread is an asset to the site.
I like Buffalo, Dallas, Detroit and Cleveland for what it's worth.
You're probably right about Indy......but I hope my Chiefs can get a running game going. They have to if they want to keep this close. Indy being down to their third string safety ain't gonna help their defense much in my opinion.
GL this weekend
I 2nd what you said in the first line
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Quote Originally Posted by mmac66:
Really enjoy your thoughts each week, Andy This thread is an asset to the site.
I like Buffalo, Dallas, Detroit and Cleveland for what it's worth.
You're probably right about Indy......but I hope my Chiefs can get a running game going. They have to if they want to keep this close. Indy being down to their third string safety ain't gonna help their defense much in my opinion.
hey glyde, 99 said that you knew cleveland would come out playing good ball this year. what do u think of the QB situation, who do u prefer taking the snaps
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hey glyde, 99 said that you knew cleveland would come out playing good ball this year. what do u think of the QB situation, who do u prefer taking the snaps
hey glyde, 99 said that you knew cleveland would come out playing good ball this year. what do u think of the QB situation, who do u prefer taking the snaps
As bad as Delhomme was in 09, I thought his veteran presence alone(assuming he didn't completely and totally suck) would be enough to make Cleveland respectable. Maybe not playoffs or even .500, but certainly better than the 5 they were getting in the over and unders.
So what did Delhomme do game 1? Up 14-3 against Tampa. Driving late in the 1st half in a game they were dominating. In the red zone. He throws a pk 6 that turns the game from 17-3 or 21-3 to 14-10. Pretty much threw away the game in that one throw.
Since then, Wallace has taken over as Delhomme has a bad ankle. Week 2 against a suddenly decent KC team, he was probably one throw away from winning that game as they lost a close one. He played respectably in a close Baltimore loss. He played respecatbly in the victory over Baltimore.
So while I still have respect for Jake(I know Mac will disagree strongly with this being a Delhomme HATER) and think he can revert back to the QB he was before that disasterous 2009 season, I think you have to stick with Seneca at this point.
He had just enough action in Seattle so he isn't too green. He occasionally misfires on seemingly "easy throws," but what QB doesn't? His legs are a huge x factor as even though he usually looks to go downfield first, he can make things happen running the ball. So far this year.......
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Quote Originally Posted by The_Ace:
hey glyde, 99 said that you knew cleveland would come out playing good ball this year. what do u think of the QB situation, who do u prefer taking the snaps
As bad as Delhomme was in 09, I thought his veteran presence alone(assuming he didn't completely and totally suck) would be enough to make Cleveland respectable. Maybe not playoffs or even .500, but certainly better than the 5 they were getting in the over and unders.
So what did Delhomme do game 1? Up 14-3 against Tampa. Driving late in the 1st half in a game they were dominating. In the red zone. He throws a pk 6 that turns the game from 17-3 or 21-3 to 14-10. Pretty much threw away the game in that one throw.
Since then, Wallace has taken over as Delhomme has a bad ankle. Week 2 against a suddenly decent KC team, he was probably one throw away from winning that game as they lost a close one. He played respectably in a close Baltimore loss. He played respecatbly in the victory over Baltimore.
So while I still have respect for Jake(I know Mac will disagree strongly with this being a Delhomme HATER) and think he can revert back to the QB he was before that disasterous 2009 season, I think you have to stick with Seneca at this point.
He had just enough action in Seattle so he isn't too green. He occasionally misfires on seemingly "easy throws," but what QB doesn't? His legs are a huge x factor as even though he usually looks to go downfield first, he can make things happen running the ball. So far this year.......
- Week 2 against KC. 16 for 31 229 yards. 1 td 1 int. Overall, a good game, but that one pk 6 to Flowers was probably the gamebreaker.
- Week 3 @ Baltimore. 18 for 24 with 141 yards. 1 td 0 int. Again a good overall "smart" game against a good defense. Short underneath passes did enough to where they had the lead fairly deep in the game. Just couldn't pull off the upset though.
- Week 4 against Cincinnati. 18 for 30 184 yards. 1 td 1 int. Another smart game that he managed. Made a couple plays with his legs that Delhomme would have been eaten up on.
So yea, at this point I would say Wallace is the better bet to win games. If I was the coach, I would at least give him a couple more games before pulling the plug. He has earned it, imo.
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- Week 2 against KC. 16 for 31 229 yards. 1 td 1 int. Overall, a good game, but that one pk 6 to Flowers was probably the gamebreaker.
- Week 3 @ Baltimore. 18 for 24 with 141 yards. 1 td 0 int. Again a good overall "smart" game against a good defense. Short underneath passes did enough to where they had the lead fairly deep in the game. Just couldn't pull off the upset though.
- Week 4 against Cincinnati. 18 for 30 184 yards. 1 td 1 int. Another smart game that he managed. Made a couple plays with his legs that Delhomme would have been eaten up on.
So yea, at this point I would say Wallace is the better bet to win games. If I was the coach, I would at least give him a couple more games before pulling the plug. He has earned it, imo.
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. It's only been 4 weeks and maybe the stats mean little to nothing but Cleveland is averaging more YPC than Atlanta, giving up fewer YPC and are passing for the same number of YPA. Only advantage Atlanta has there is YPA against.
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