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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2023 - 1:39 PM ET #51

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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2023 - 1:42 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by happyshine:

    Just a couple of weeks ago , LA Rams took a FG with 4 secs left when they were down 10 points and everyone said the score will help a tie breaker down the road . Two weeks later , Patrick is so smart to take the knee so they will be 100% win the game .  Do I agree with the slide and take the win ? Yes ! Do I agree with the FG Rams took with 4 secs left when they were down by 10 ? No  People just need to stop the double standard shxt ……and btw , I won on both games because I was lucky enough to have a teaser instead.
    But the Rams weren’t leading, they needed another possession.  It is completely different situation.peace_5  It is freighting to think that this play wasn’t best choice for the Chiefs.

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    Just a couple of weeks ago , LA Rams took a FG with 4 secs left when they were down 10 points and everyone said the score will help a tie breaker down the road . Two weeks later , Patrick is so smart to take the knee so they will be 100% win the game .  Do I agree with the slide and take the win ? Yes ! Do I agree with the FG Rams took with 4 secs left when they were down by 10 ? No  People just need to stop the double standard shxt ……and btw , I won on both games because I was lucky enough to have a teaser instead.
    But the Rams weren’t leading, they needed another possession.  It is completely different situation.peace_5  It is freighting to think that this play wasn’t best choice for the Chiefs.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2023 - 1:43 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by happyshine:

    Just a couple of weeks ago , LA Rams took a FG with 4 secs left when they were down 10 points and everyone said the score will help a tie breaker down the road . Two weeks later , Patrick is so smart to take the knee so they will be 100% win the game .  Do I agree with the slide and take the win ? Yes ! Do I agree with the FG Rams took with 4 secs left when they were down by 10 ? No  People just need to stop the double standard shxt ……and btw , I won on both games because I was lucky enough to have a teaser instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyshine:

    Just a couple of weeks ago , LA Rams took a FG with 4 secs left when they were down 10 points and everyone said the score will help a tie breaker down the road . Two weeks later , Patrick is so smart to take the knee so they will be 100% win the game .  Do I agree with the slide and take the win ? Yes ! Do I agree with the FG Rams took with 4 secs left when they were down by 10 ? No  People just need to stop the double standard shxt ……and btw , I won on both games because I was lucky enough to have a teaser instead.

    Apple, meet orange.

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    Look, I needed Mahomes to score there for my bet and for a fantasy football victory. Both of which I lost because he chose to slide. The issue I have with it is that the Chiefs were guaranteed to win regardless of he scored there or slid there, so I say, why not score? I get it, you slide and you can literally end the game with a kneel down. However, you do risk fumbling the ball having to take a snap. Sure it's a long shot, but it CAN happen. If he scores. It's over. 10 points lead with 30 seconds and no time outs for the Jets. Sure you'll have to kick it off and play defense, which puts players at risk and I totally get that angle, but up until q few years ago, players would never slide or purposely not score. Not saying Mahomes was wrong either way. He made a play that guaranteed victory regardless of what he did there. He is to be commended for that. We win and lose our bets on much crazier stuff than this. It's just extra frustrating when we do lose our bets when we shouldn't have. I wonder how many QBs in the league would have slid there instead of scoring. I'd say not many. Mahomes is a winner though and that's what he did. Time to move on. 

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    Look, I needed Mahomes to score there for my bet and for a fantasy football victory. Both of which I lost because he chose to slide. The issue I have with it is that the Chiefs were guaranteed to win regardless of he scored there or slid there, so I say, why not score? I get it, you slide and you can literally end the game with a kneel down. However, you do risk fumbling the ball having to take a snap. Sure it's a long shot, but it CAN happen. If he scores. It's over. 10 points lead with 30 seconds and no time outs for the Jets. Sure you'll have to kick it off and play defense, which puts players at risk and I totally get that angle, but up until q few years ago, players would never slide or purposely not score. Not saying Mahomes was wrong either way. He made a play that guaranteed victory regardless of what he did there. He is to be commended for that. We win and lose our bets on much crazier stuff than this. It's just extra frustrating when we do lose our bets when we shouldn't have. I wonder how many QBs in the league would have slid there instead of scoring. I'd say not many. Mahomes is a winner though and that's what he did. Time to move on. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2023 - 2:00 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by Cybersklar:

    Look, I needed Mahomes to score there for my bet and for a fantasy football victory. Both of which I lost because he chose to slide. The issue I have with it is that the Chiefs were guaranteed to win regardless of he scored there or slid there, so I say, why not score? I get it, you slide and you can literally end the game with a kneel down. However, you do risk fumbling the ball having to take a snap. Sure it's a long shot, but it CAN happen. If he scores. It's over. 10 points lead with 30 seconds and no time outs for the Jets. Sure you'll have to kick it off and play defense, which puts players at risk and I totally get that angle, but up until q few years ago, players would never slide or purposely not score. Not saying Mahomes was wrong either way. He made a play that guaranteed victory regardless of what he did there. He is to be commended for that. We win and lose our bets on much crazier stuff than this. It's just extra frustrating when we do lose our bets when we shouldn't have. I wonder how many QBs in the league would have slid there instead of scoring. I'd say not many. Mahomes is a winner though and that's what he did. Time to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybersklar:

    Look, I needed Mahomes to score there for my bet and for a fantasy football victory. Both of which I lost because he chose to slide. The issue I have with it is that the Chiefs were guaranteed to win regardless of he scored there or slid there, so I say, why not score? I get it, you slide and you can literally end the game with a kneel down. However, you do risk fumbling the ball having to take a snap. Sure it's a long shot, but it CAN happen. If he scores. It's over. 10 points lead with 30 seconds and no time outs for the Jets. Sure you'll have to kick it off and play defense, which puts players at risk and I totally get that angle, but up until q few years ago, players would never slide or purposely not score. Not saying Mahomes was wrong either way. He made a play that guaranteed victory regardless of what he did there. He is to be commended for that. We win and lose our bets on much crazier stuff than this. It's just extra frustrating when we do lose our bets when we shouldn't have. I wonder how many QBs in the league would have slid there instead of scoring. I'd say not many. Mahomes is a winner though and that's what he did. Time to move on.

    You are fired as my risk assessment manager.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2023 - 2:04 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by Cybersklar:

    Look, I needed Mahomes to score there for my bet and for a fantasy football victory. Both of which I lost because he chose to slide. The issue I have with it is that the Chiefs were guaranteed to win regardless of he scored there or slid there, so I say, why not score? I get it, you slide and you can literally end the game with a kneel down. However, you do risk fumbling the ball having to take a snap. Sure it's a long shot, but it CAN happen. If he scores. It's over. 10 points lead with 30 seconds and no time outs for the Jets. Sure you'll have to kick it off and play defense, which puts players at risk and I totally get that angle, but up until q few years ago, players would never slide or purposely not score. Not saying Mahomes was wrong either way. He made a play that guaranteed victory regardless of what he did there. He is to be commended for that. We win and lose our bets on much crazier stuff than this. It's just extra frustrating when we do lose our bets when we shouldn't have. I wonder how many QBs in the league would have slid there instead of scoring. I'd say not many. Mahomes is a winner though and that's what he did. Time to move on.
    How could it be guaranteed if theylet Jets have ball again?  They were winning.paint_help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybersklar:

    Look, I needed Mahomes to score there for my bet and for a fantasy football victory. Both of which I lost because he chose to slide. The issue I have with it is that the Chiefs were guaranteed to win regardless of he scored there or slid there, so I say, why not score? I get it, you slide and you can literally end the game with a kneel down. However, you do risk fumbling the ball having to take a snap. Sure it's a long shot, but it CAN happen. If he scores. It's over. 10 points lead with 30 seconds and no time outs for the Jets. Sure you'll have to kick it off and play defense, which puts players at risk and I totally get that angle, but up until q few years ago, players would never slide or purposely not score. Not saying Mahomes was wrong either way. He made a play that guaranteed victory regardless of what he did there. He is to be commended for that. We win and lose our bets on much crazier stuff than this. It's just extra frustrating when we do lose our bets when we shouldn't have. I wonder how many QBs in the league would have slid there instead of scoring. I'd say not many. Mahomes is a winner though and that's what he did. Time to move on.
    How could it be guaranteed if theylet Jets have ball again?  They were winning.paint_help

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    What did you think of the Mahomes slide and do you think the NFL is fixed?


    I clocked out from the NFL after the Bills' game as my two early games were blowouts in my favor. I did not watch or form an opinion on the Mahomes' slide. I have a lot going on right now so. 

    The mere optic of the NFL aligned as business partners with the gamblng industry now takes my breath away. Never imagined that this would ever happen and anyone with a little imagination can see where this might lead when millions are at stake on these games. 

    Is the NFL fixed? All that needs to be done to affect the outcome of a game is a flag here or a flag there (or a noncall of a foul here or there) by referees. Has this ever happened? I would answer in the affirmative (many times and it was intentional). Changing the pointspread of a game doesn't guarantee that the games will be bet evenly, sometimes one side is far more bet than the other. Yeah, it happens when sharps and the betting public are on the same side for example. 

    When it comes to money, humans are not to be trusted.
    I would also theorize that anyone who gambles with their money might well gamble on experimental vaccines that haven't been given their proper evaluations. Unsettling (for you) info is out there which you choose to ignore...congrats. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    What did you think of the Mahomes slide and do you think the NFL is fixed?


    I clocked out from the NFL after the Bills' game as my two early games were blowouts in my favor. I did not watch or form an opinion on the Mahomes' slide. I have a lot going on right now so. 

    The mere optic of the NFL aligned as business partners with the gamblng industry now takes my breath away. Never imagined that this would ever happen and anyone with a little imagination can see where this might lead when millions are at stake on these games. 

    Is the NFL fixed? All that needs to be done to affect the outcome of a game is a flag here or a flag there (or a noncall of a foul here or there) by referees. Has this ever happened? I would answer in the affirmative (many times and it was intentional). Changing the pointspread of a game doesn't guarantee that the games will be bet evenly, sometimes one side is far more bet than the other. Yeah, it happens when sharps and the betting public are on the same side for example. 

    When it comes to money, humans are not to be trusted.
    I would also theorize that anyone who gambles with their money might well gamble on experimental vaccines that haven't been given their proper evaluations. Unsettling (for you) info is out there which you choose to ignore...congrats. 

     
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     Hi Ben an_angel so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here ……..

    Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:

     

     

    Two Clubs 

    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs)
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference
    5. Strength of victory
    6. Strength of schedule
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed
    9. Best net points in common games
    10. Best net points in all games
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games
    12. Coin toss

    There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible. 

     

     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make . 
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     Hi Ben an_angel so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here ……..

    Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:

     

     

    Two Clubs 

    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs)
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference
    5. Strength of victory
    6. Strength of schedule
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed
    9. Best net points in common games
    10. Best net points in all games
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games
    12. Coin toss

    There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible. 

     

     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make . 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by happyshine:

    @benhogan76    Hi Ben  so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here …….. Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:     Two Clubs  Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference Strength of victory Strength of schedule Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed Best net points in common games Best net points in all games Best net touchdowns in all games Coin toss There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible.     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make .
    Its week 5 and the slide GUARANTEED a win....Much more important than possibly needing an extra 7 points in 3 months.....

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    @benhogan76    Hi Ben  so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here …….. Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:     Two Clubs  Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference Strength of victory Strength of schedule Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed Best net points in common games Best net points in all games Best net touchdowns in all games Coin toss There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible.     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make .
    Its week 5 and the slide GUARANTEED a win....Much more important than possibly needing an extra 7 points in 3 months.....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Quote Originally Posted by happyshine: @benhogan76    Hi Ben  so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here …….. Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:     Two Clubs  Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference Strength of victory Strength of schedule Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed Best net points in common games Best net points in all games Best net touchdowns in all games Coin toss There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible.     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make . Its week 5 and the slide GUARANTEED a win....Much more important than possibly needing an extra 7 points in 3 months.....

     

    I wrote that in another thread. They were guaranteed a win regardless. Have you seen anyone get an onside kick with the new rules? I sure haven’t. Baltimore and Chiefs both have a point differential of +41. It could very well matter in 3 months.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyshine: @benhogan76    Hi Ben  so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here …….. Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:     Two Clubs  Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference Strength of victory Strength of schedule Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed Best net points in common games Best net points in all games Best net touchdowns in all games Coin toss There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible.     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make . Its week 5 and the slide GUARANTEED a win....Much more important than possibly needing an extra 7 points in 3 months.....

     

    I wrote that in another thread. They were guaranteed a win regardless. Have you seen anyone get an onside kick with the new rules? I sure haven’t. Baltimore and Chiefs both have a point differential of +41. It could very well matter in 3 months.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by happyshine:

    @benhogan76    Hi Ben  so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here …….. Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:     Two Clubs  Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference Strength of victory Strength of schedule Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed Best net points in common games Best net points in all games Best net touchdowns in all games Coin toss There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible.     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make .
    That extra 6 points, possibly 7 would have been important in long run for the playoff tiebreaker if the best player in league gets hurt, you are correct.peace_5

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    @benhogan76    Hi Ben  so nice to see you my friend. I would like to copy and paste some information about the rules here …….. Let me settle the debate from the NFL’s Rule Book on settling a tie:     Two Clubs  Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference Strength of victory Strength of schedule Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed Best net points in common games Best net points in all games Best net touchdowns in all games Coin toss There is no way an NFL team should not score as many points as possible.     Buffalo is double in points for a tie breaker against the chiefs now and the ravens is tie with the chiefs in that department. So , when not scoring a TD when you have the chance is the right choice or not ? It’s a decision the team need to make .
    That extra 6 points, possibly 7 would have been important in long run for the playoff tiebreaker if the best player in league gets hurt, you are correct.peace_5

     
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    here's my 2 pennies.

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    here's my 2 pennies.

    mahomes saved the game from lasting another 15-20 minutes with kickoff and stopped clocked from passing downs. all teasers hit. just the side spread didn't

     
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    didn't see the play but i figured that was the issue....i.e. not giving the ball back to the Jets.

    but what if they fumble running out the clock?... i remember Larry Czonka fumble against Eagles (Herm Edwards with the return???) but of course, that was a normal type play, not taking a QB knee.

    but it seems to me, 

    1) fumbling the ball is just as likely/unlikely as giving ball back, and giving up two scores sandwiched by a successful onside kick (they must run at 10-15% success rate)

    2) very wimpy to worry about something so unlikely.

    ultimately, i don't think it matters one way or the other except for gamblers.

    i will say that here in canada, missed FG return touchdowns aren't that rare and a team up 16 points the other day, missed a long FG with 4 minutes left and had it returned for TD. i thought there was zero percent chance they could comeback and win. but stupid call by coach....... i remember Auburn returned a missed FG final play of game vs. Alabama. surprised you don't see it a bit more. most blockers and the holder/kicker generally can't tackle the kick returner. so it's 3-4 guys who can tackle

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    didn't see the play but i figured that was the issue....i.e. not giving the ball back to the Jets.

    but what if they fumble running out the clock?... i remember Larry Czonka fumble against Eagles (Herm Edwards with the return???) but of course, that was a normal type play, not taking a QB knee.

    but it seems to me, 

    1) fumbling the ball is just as likely/unlikely as giving ball back, and giving up two scores sandwiched by a successful onside kick (they must run at 10-15% success rate)

    2) very wimpy to worry about something so unlikely.

    ultimately, i don't think it matters one way or the other except for gamblers.

    i will say that here in canada, missed FG return touchdowns aren't that rare and a team up 16 points the other day, missed a long FG with 4 minutes left and had it returned for TD. i thought there was zero percent chance they could comeback and win. but stupid call by coach....... i remember Auburn returned a missed FG final play of game vs. Alabama. surprised you don't see it a bit more. most blockers and the holder/kicker generally can't tackle the kick returner. so it's 3-4 guys who can tackle

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    didn't see the play but i figured that was the issue....i.e. not giving the ball back to the Jets. but what if they fumble running out the clock?... i remember Larry Czonka fumble against Eagles (Herm Edwards with the return???) but of course, that was a normal type play, not taking a QB knee. but it seems to me,  1) fumbling the ball is just as likely/unlikely as giving ball back, and giving up two scores sandwiched by a successful onside kick (they must run at 10-15% success rate) 2) very wimpy to worry about something so unlikely. ultimately, i don't think it matters one way or the other except for gamblers. i will say that here in canada, missed FG return touchdowns aren't that rare and a team up 16 points the other day, missed a long FG with 4 minutes left and had it returned for TD. i thought there was zero percent chance they could comeback and win. but stupid call by coach....... i remember Auburn returned a missed FG final play of game vs. Alabama. surprised you don't see it a bit more. most blockers and the holder/kicker generally can't tackle the kick returner. so it's 3-4 guys who can tackle

    You are also fired as my risk assessment advisor.

    It is utterly amazing to me how the vast majority of humans, when faced with objective evidence - reject it in favor of their own perceived bias.  But it seems to be an inherent human flaw to not only succumb to it - but to actually reject the pursuit of evidence based reality.

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    didn't see the play but i figured that was the issue....i.e. not giving the ball back to the Jets. but what if they fumble running out the clock?... i remember Larry Czonka fumble against Eagles (Herm Edwards with the return???) but of course, that was a normal type play, not taking a QB knee. but it seems to me,  1) fumbling the ball is just as likely/unlikely as giving ball back, and giving up two scores sandwiched by a successful onside kick (they must run at 10-15% success rate) 2) very wimpy to worry about something so unlikely. ultimately, i don't think it matters one way or the other except for gamblers. i will say that here in canada, missed FG return touchdowns aren't that rare and a team up 16 points the other day, missed a long FG with 4 minutes left and had it returned for TD. i thought there was zero percent chance they could comeback and win. but stupid call by coach....... i remember Auburn returned a missed FG final play of game vs. Alabama. surprised you don't see it a bit more. most blockers and the holder/kicker generally can't tackle the kick returner. so it's 3-4 guys who can tackle

    You are also fired as my risk assessment advisor.

    It is utterly amazing to me how the vast majority of humans, when faced with objective evidence - reject it in favor of their own perceived bias.  But it seems to be an inherent human flaw to not only succumb to it - but to actually reject the pursuit of evidence based reality.

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    didn't see the play but i figured that was the issue....i.e. not giving the ball back to the Jets. but what if they fumble running out the clock?... i remember Larry Czonka fumble against Eagles (Herm Edwards with the return???) but of course, that was a normal type play, not taking a QB knee. but it seems to me,  1) fumbling the ball is just as likely/unlikely as giving ball back, and giving up two scores sandwiched by a successful onside kick (they must run at 10-15% success rate) 2) very wimpy to worry about something so unlikely. ultimately, i don't think it matters one way or the other except for gamblers. i will say that here in canada, missed FG return touchdowns aren't that rare and a team up 16 points the other day, missed a long FG with 4 minutes left and had it returned for TD. i thought there was zero percent chance they could comeback and win. but stupid call by coach....... i remember Auburn returned a missed FG final play of game vs. Alabama. surprised you don't see it a bit more. most blockers and the holder/kicker generally can't tackle the kick returner. so it's 3-4 guys who can tackle
    How is it wimpy? 

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    didn't see the play but i figured that was the issue....i.e. not giving the ball back to the Jets. but what if they fumble running out the clock?... i remember Larry Czonka fumble against Eagles (Herm Edwards with the return???) but of course, that was a normal type play, not taking a QB knee. but it seems to me,  1) fumbling the ball is just as likely/unlikely as giving ball back, and giving up two scores sandwiched by a successful onside kick (they must run at 10-15% success rate) 2) very wimpy to worry about something so unlikely. ultimately, i don't think it matters one way or the other except for gamblers. i will say that here in canada, missed FG return touchdowns aren't that rare and a team up 16 points the other day, missed a long FG with 4 minutes left and had it returned for TD. i thought there was zero percent chance they could comeback and win. but stupid call by coach....... i remember Auburn returned a missed FG final play of game vs. Alabama. surprised you don't see it a bit more. most blockers and the holder/kicker generally can't tackle the kick returner. so it's 3-4 guys who can tackle
    How is it wimpy? 

     
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    OK, its actually pretty simple. Nobody in the history of the NFL has fumbled away a snap on a kneel down.  EVER. Literally last season, Nick Chubb for the Browns scored a TD right after the two minute warning to go up 30-17.  The JETS came back and won the game 31-30.  LAST SEASON. That should be all you need to know.  Of course sliding was the right decision.

     

     

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    OK, its actually pretty simple. Nobody in the history of the NFL has fumbled away a snap on a kneel down.  EVER. Literally last season, Nick Chubb for the Browns scored a TD right after the two minute warning to go up 30-17.  The JETS came back and won the game 31-30.  LAST SEASON. That should be all you need to know.  Of course sliding was the right decision.

     

     

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    The game was the closest thing to over when he did that. Another dub peace_5peaceclover

     
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    Big surprise the anti-vax crowd is also the NFL is fixed crowd.

     

    Excellent, accurate and depressing observation.

    Perhaps the anti-vaxxers should retroactively reverse their polio vaccines and see how much fun life in an iron lung is.

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    Excellent, accurate and depressing observation.

    Perhaps the anti-vaxxers should retroactively reverse their polio vaccines and see how much fun life in an iron lung is.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymourbukz:

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: OK, its actually pretty simple. Nobody in the history of the NFL has fumbled away a snap on a kneel down.  EVER. Literally last season, Nick Chubb for the Browns scored a TD right after the two minute warning to go up 30-17.  The JETS came back and won the game 31-30.  LAST SEASON. That should be all you need to know.  Of course sliding was the right decision.     first time for everything Van  teasing ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: OK, its actually pretty simple. Nobody in the history of the NFL has fumbled away a snap on a kneel down.  EVER. Literally last season, Nick Chubb for the Browns scored a TD right after the two minute warning to go up 30-17.  The JETS came back and won the game 31-30.  LAST SEASON. That should be all you need to know.  Of course sliding was the right decision.     first time for everything Van  teasing ya

    So you're saying there's a chance!

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