I do like SF a bunch here as well and its a 7 pt spread ......SF is off consecutive offensive clunkers but they left points off the board and vs IMO what was better defenses....Alex Smith may have had an issue w the finger , which was a big deal supposedly then wasnt a big deal , etc.......who knows what to believe but I liked how SF moved the ball vs SEA just didnt finish well (esp after the half)+ nice layoff to get healthy (Manningham as well) ........Vernon Davis shutout last game expect him to get the ball or for SF to try ......so they arent the 30 + team they have been at times and they are not the team struggling to get to DD 's either they are in between (yet have not really played a game yet in that lower to mid 20's range yet)
you look at SF wins 30,27 , 34 , 45 and then 13 vs SEA......so when they have won they have found ways to put points on the board and I know its not all due to the offense but the points are there(somehow, some way , etc....we know the defense and special teams can aide them) .....next is if both consecutive wins this year they laid eggs offensively ......2 good totals then @ Minny , 2 good totals then vs NYG , BUT now 2 low scoring totals for them (consistently inconsistent) .......I think the common factor is when they scored a bunch of points but they had a bunch gift wrapped and the last 2 weeks no easy points and missed opps sort of balanced it out .......
from a perception point all saw them win 13-6 vs SEA and all the Alex Smith stuff gets brought up as usual and I mentioned a lot of my reasoning playing det and Chicago overs today was because of the "taste" it probably left in the mouth of gamblers on Monday (but I had that under)......
you look at Arizona and besides the game @ STL they scored at least 14 points in every other game.......looking @ the Vikes game some will say they were lucky to get 14 but they self destructed as well .....missed FG before the half , turnovers , the shody OL play + sacks , and like 9 penalties = ouch (hard to believe it will be worse then that at home even if SF D is better ) ........still Skelton and LRSH had a nice day on the ground but also a week after Powell ran well.......so some things could be coming together. Skelton did win the job and was sort of pressed back into unexpected duty when Kolb got hurt so think he was rusty somewhat ........you look at how some drives ended in Minny.....1st and 10 at the Vikes 14 = nada , 1st and 10 at the Vikes 26 ....sacked on 4th down inside the 15 =nada , punted on 4th and 2 at the vikes 40 ........
a big thing w Minny is they didnt really try once they had a lead to do anything on offense and that makes Arizona D look MUCH MUCH better then it really is .....buffalo and STL before them not exactly dynamic offenses for the Arizona D ......Phins had 21 and Tannehill had a huge day , Seattle had 16 and 9 cracks to win the game inside the 5 yard line late and couldnt , Pats just 18 at home but that was another fluky game where the missed FG at the end came after a TD was called back plus the sloppy play before then......best effort was vs Philly and a late pick 6 before half changed the course of that game.......
so what I am saying is Arizona defense is surviving by the skin of it's teeth all season and while SF may be no offensive upgrade over some previous opps ........I like the timing of it .....especially since Arizona has played w injuries to its defense lately and managed to sort of not skip a beat .....think its an illusion to a degree ......and if some of those guys come back I expect rust or rushing back and not as effective as they normally would be .....
Zona run defense ....30c 160 yds vs Buffalo , Miami 21c 80 yds if you exclude Thomas and Lane w 7c for 6 yards , Eagles 17 c 98 yards, Seattle 25c 95 yards .......so basically they are at best avg vs the run and that's what sets up the SF offense ...which allows me to be confident in a SF offense that has scored 16 pts last 2 games.....
and if you want to give a nod to past history then SF has only scored less then 20 vs Arizona two times in last 10 meetings a 13 pt effort and the 19 the last they met in ZOna........and really the only time Arizona held teams to less then 17 was Wilson's debut w 16 and couldnt get that last scored down 4 and the Eagles who self destruct like clockwork with 6 .....
so I am fairly confident that SF is cracking 20 and Arizona is at 14 but since I think SF covers becomes more like I am comfortable w 23-24 SF to 14 ........now SF defense has been great after a LOSS not allowing a TD I believe under Harbaugh....so that accounts for 2 of the low scoring defensive efforts and Buffalo had chances but blew it so reiterates my comfort thinking Arizona gets to 14 or more...
I think SF defense is good but I think Arizona's is more just above avg which means at times they will allow points ......(but they really haven't YET)
and Arizona is the same team week in and week out but there totals have not really dipped below 40 yet .......at home just the 38.5 vs Miami which found a way to go over w OT ....I see Vernon Davis as someone who could have a day ......
last year in Arizona the key was SF kicked 3 Fgs from inside the Zona 10 yard line ....9 pts rather then 21 in a game they had 19 points......(hence easily could have been in that 23-24 range or more like I expect and Skelton played in that game)
so in conclusion basically I see it as a game that really worst case should be around 23/24 SF to Arizona 14 and I disagree w the perception of Arizona's defense being very good .....SF should run the ball and w a healthier WR group + IMO a POINT of emphasis getting Vernon Davis involved .....also think SF being on MNF , vs a divisional foe , long layoff and need to make a statement after 2 offensive clunkers......guess like SNF were a shoot out was expected and I didnt see it like that , a low scoring game is expected here with 1 difference being I knew McGahee was going to have a day on the ground w SF not sure who is going to step up but guessing its Vernon Davis .......Fitz has had some days vs SF so he is the guy obviously for Arizona who has my confidence but since he is an all pro thats not exactly a news flash when there is not much else surrounding him .......
so also like the SF TT over .....and 1st H over
think its time for the ARIZONA D to pay the piper and borrowed time usually comes up w a mountain of interest
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I do like SF a bunch here as well and its a 7 pt spread ......SF is off consecutive offensive clunkers but they left points off the board and vs IMO what was better defenses....Alex Smith may have had an issue w the finger , which was a big deal supposedly then wasnt a big deal , etc.......who knows what to believe but I liked how SF moved the ball vs SEA just didnt finish well (esp after the half)+ nice layoff to get healthy (Manningham as well) ........Vernon Davis shutout last game expect him to get the ball or for SF to try ......so they arent the 30 + team they have been at times and they are not the team struggling to get to DD 's either they are in between (yet have not really played a game yet in that lower to mid 20's range yet)
you look at SF wins 30,27 , 34 , 45 and then 13 vs SEA......so when they have won they have found ways to put points on the board and I know its not all due to the offense but the points are there(somehow, some way , etc....we know the defense and special teams can aide them) .....next is if both consecutive wins this year they laid eggs offensively ......2 good totals then @ Minny , 2 good totals then vs NYG , BUT now 2 low scoring totals for them (consistently inconsistent) .......I think the common factor is when they scored a bunch of points but they had a bunch gift wrapped and the last 2 weeks no easy points and missed opps sort of balanced it out .......
from a perception point all saw them win 13-6 vs SEA and all the Alex Smith stuff gets brought up as usual and I mentioned a lot of my reasoning playing det and Chicago overs today was because of the "taste" it probably left in the mouth of gamblers on Monday (but I had that under)......
you look at Arizona and besides the game @ STL they scored at least 14 points in every other game.......looking @ the Vikes game some will say they were lucky to get 14 but they self destructed as well .....missed FG before the half , turnovers , the shody OL play + sacks , and like 9 penalties = ouch (hard to believe it will be worse then that at home even if SF D is better ) ........still Skelton and LRSH had a nice day on the ground but also a week after Powell ran well.......so some things could be coming together. Skelton did win the job and was sort of pressed back into unexpected duty when Kolb got hurt so think he was rusty somewhat ........you look at how some drives ended in Minny.....1st and 10 at the Vikes 14 = nada , 1st and 10 at the Vikes 26 ....sacked on 4th down inside the 15 =nada , punted on 4th and 2 at the vikes 40 ........
a big thing w Minny is they didnt really try once they had a lead to do anything on offense and that makes Arizona D look MUCH MUCH better then it really is .....buffalo and STL before them not exactly dynamic offenses for the Arizona D ......Phins had 21 and Tannehill had a huge day , Seattle had 16 and 9 cracks to win the game inside the 5 yard line late and couldnt , Pats just 18 at home but that was another fluky game where the missed FG at the end came after a TD was called back plus the sloppy play before then......best effort was vs Philly and a late pick 6 before half changed the course of that game.......
so what I am saying is Arizona defense is surviving by the skin of it's teeth all season and while SF may be no offensive upgrade over some previous opps ........I like the timing of it .....especially since Arizona has played w injuries to its defense lately and managed to sort of not skip a beat .....think its an illusion to a degree ......and if some of those guys come back I expect rust or rushing back and not as effective as they normally would be .....
Zona run defense ....30c 160 yds vs Buffalo , Miami 21c 80 yds if you exclude Thomas and Lane w 7c for 6 yards , Eagles 17 c 98 yards, Seattle 25c 95 yards .......so basically they are at best avg vs the run and that's what sets up the SF offense ...which allows me to be confident in a SF offense that has scored 16 pts last 2 games.....
and if you want to give a nod to past history then SF has only scored less then 20 vs Arizona two times in last 10 meetings a 13 pt effort and the 19 the last they met in ZOna........and really the only time Arizona held teams to less then 17 was Wilson's debut w 16 and couldnt get that last scored down 4 and the Eagles who self destruct like clockwork with 6 .....
so I am fairly confident that SF is cracking 20 and Arizona is at 14 but since I think SF covers becomes more like I am comfortable w 23-24 SF to 14 ........now SF defense has been great after a LOSS not allowing a TD I believe under Harbaugh....so that accounts for 2 of the low scoring defensive efforts and Buffalo had chances but blew it so reiterates my comfort thinking Arizona gets to 14 or more...
I think SF defense is good but I think Arizona's is more just above avg which means at times they will allow points ......(but they really haven't YET)
and Arizona is the same team week in and week out but there totals have not really dipped below 40 yet .......at home just the 38.5 vs Miami which found a way to go over w OT ....I see Vernon Davis as someone who could have a day ......
last year in Arizona the key was SF kicked 3 Fgs from inside the Zona 10 yard line ....9 pts rather then 21 in a game they had 19 points......(hence easily could have been in that 23-24 range or more like I expect and Skelton played in that game)
so in conclusion basically I see it as a game that really worst case should be around 23/24 SF to Arizona 14 and I disagree w the perception of Arizona's defense being very good .....SF should run the ball and w a healthier WR group + IMO a POINT of emphasis getting Vernon Davis involved .....also think SF being on MNF , vs a divisional foe , long layoff and need to make a statement after 2 offensive clunkers......guess like SNF were a shoot out was expected and I didnt see it like that , a low scoring game is expected here with 1 difference being I knew McGahee was going to have a day on the ground w SF not sure who is going to step up but guessing its Vernon Davis .......Fitz has had some days vs SF so he is the guy obviously for Arizona who has my confidence but since he is an all pro thats not exactly a news flash when there is not much else surrounding him .......
so also like the SF TT over .....and 1st H over
think its time for the ARIZONA D to pay the piper and borrowed time usually comes up w a mountain of interest
I do like SF a bunch here as well and its a 7 pt spread ......SF is off consecutive offensive clunkers but they left points off the board and vs IMO what was better defenses....Alex Smith may have had an issue w the finger , which was a big deal supposedly then wasnt a big deal , etc.......who knows what to believe but I liked how SF moved the ball vs SEA just didnt finish well (esp after the half)+ nice layoff to get healthy (Manningham as well) ........Vernon Davis shutout last game expect him to get the ball or for SF to try ......so they arent the 30 + team they have been at times and they are not the team struggling to get to DD 's either they are in between (yet have not really played a game yet in that lower to mid 20's range yet)
you look at SF wins 30,27 , 34 , 45 and then 13 vs SEA......so when they have won they have found ways to put points on the board and I know its not all due to the offense but the points are there(somehow, some way , etc....we know the defense and special teams can aide them) .....next is if both consecutive wins this year they laid eggs offensively ......2 good totals then @ Minny , 2 good totals then vs NYG , BUT now 2 low scoring totals for them (consistently inconsistent) .......I think the common factor is when they scored a bunch of points but they had a bunch gift wrapped and the last 2 weeks no easy points and missed opps sort of balanced it out .......
from a perception point all saw them win 13-6 vs SEA and all the Alex Smith stuff gets brought up as usual and I mentioned a lot of my reasoning playing det and Chicago overs today was because of the "taste" it probably left in the mouth of gamblers on Monday (but I had that under)......
you look at Arizona and besides the game @ STL they scored at least 14 points in every other game.......looking @ the Vikes game some will say they were lucky to get 14 but they self destructed as well .....missed FG before the half , turnovers , the shody OL play + sacks , and like 9 penalties = ouch (hard to believe it will be worse then that at home even if SF D is better ) ........still Skelton and LRSH had a nice day on the ground but also a week after Powell ran well.......so some things could be coming together. Skelton did win the job and was sort of pressed back into unexpected duty when Kolb got hurt so think he was rusty somewhat ........you look at how some drives ended in Minny.....1st and 10 at the Vikes 14 = nada , 1st and 10 at the Vikes 26 ....sacked on 4th down inside the 15 =nada , punted on 4th and 2 at the vikes 40 ........
a big thing w Minny is they didnt really try once they had a lead to do anything on offense and that makes Arizona D look MUCH MUCH better then it really is .....buffalo and STL before them not exactly dynamic offenses for the Arizona D ......Phins had 21 and Tannehill had a huge day , Seattle had 16 and 9 cracks to win the game inside the 5 yard line late and couldnt , Pats just 18 at home but that was another fluky game where the missed FG at the end came after a TD was called back plus the sloppy play before then......best effort was vs Philly and a late pick 6 before half changed the course of that game.......
so what I am saying is Arizona defense is surviving by the skin of it's teeth all season and while SF may be no offensive upgrade over some previous opps ........I like the timing of it .....especially since Arizona has played w injuries to its defense lately and managed to sort of not skip a beat .....think its an illusion to a degree ......and if some of those guys come back I expect rust or rushing back and not as effective as they normally would be .....
Zona run defense ....30c 160 yds vs Buffalo , Miami 21c 80 yds if you exclude Thomas and Lane w 7c for 6 yards , Eagles 17 c 98 yards, Seattle 25c 95 yards .......so basically they are at best avg vs the run and that's what sets up the SF offense ...which allows me to be confident in a SF offense that has scored 16 pts last 2 games.....
and if you want to give a nod to past history then SF has only scored less then 20 vs Arizona two times in last 10 meetings a 13 pt effort and the 19 the last they met in ZOna........and really the only time Arizona held teams to less then 17 was Wilson's debut w 16 and couldnt get that last scored down 4 and the Eagles who self destruct like clockwork with 6 .....
so I am fairly confident that SF is cracking 20 and Arizona is at 14 but since I think SF covers becomes more like I am comfortable w 23-24 SF to 14 ........now SF defense has been great after a LOSS not allowing a TD I believe under Harbaugh....so that accounts for 2 of the low scoring defensive efforts and Buffalo had chances but blew it so reiterates my comfort thinking Arizona gets to 14 or more...
I think SF defense is good but I think Arizona's is more just above avg which means at times they will allow points ......(but they really haven't YET)
and Arizona is the same team week in and week out but there totals have not really dipped below 40 yet .......at home just the 38.5 vs Miami which found a way to go over w OT ....I see Vernon Davis as someone who could have a day ......
last year in Arizona the key was SF kicked 3 Fgs from inside the Zona 10 yard line ....9 pts rather then 21 in a game they had 19 points......(hence easily could have been in that 23-24 range or more like I expect and Skelton played in that game)
so in conclusion basically I see it as a game that really worst case should be around 23/24 SF to Arizona 14 and I disagree w the perception of Arizona's defense being very good .....SF should run the ball and w a healthier WR group + IMO a POINT of emphasis getting Vernon Davis involved .....also think SF being on MNF , vs a divisional foe , long layoff and need to make a statement after 2 offensive clunkers......guess like SNF were a shoot out was expected and I didnt see it like that , a low scoring game is expected here with 1 difference being I knew McGahee was going to have a day on the ground w SF not sure who is going to step up but guessing its Vernon Davis .......Fitz has had some days vs SF so he is the guy obviously for Arizona who has my confidence but since he is an all pro thats not exactly a news flash when there is not much else surrounding him .......
so also like the SF TT over .....and 1st H over
think its time for the ARIZONA D to pay the piper and borrowed time usually comes up w a mountain of interest
very well said. I agree with most of this and a few other things playing to SF advantage huge here. I dont know why so many people love Arizona. They are a joke of a team and will be VERY lucky to finish the season above .500
The only things I have seen backing Arizona are "Prime time home dogs usually cover" and "Arizona is due" those are both not very good reasons to blindly back a team. They will have trouble scoring tonight. SF will roll.
GL
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I do like SF a bunch here as well and its a 7 pt spread ......SF is off consecutive offensive clunkers but they left points off the board and vs IMO what was better defenses....Alex Smith may have had an issue w the finger , which was a big deal supposedly then wasnt a big deal , etc.......who knows what to believe but I liked how SF moved the ball vs SEA just didnt finish well (esp after the half)+ nice layoff to get healthy (Manningham as well) ........Vernon Davis shutout last game expect him to get the ball or for SF to try ......so they arent the 30 + team they have been at times and they are not the team struggling to get to DD 's either they are in between (yet have not really played a game yet in that lower to mid 20's range yet)
you look at SF wins 30,27 , 34 , 45 and then 13 vs SEA......so when they have won they have found ways to put points on the board and I know its not all due to the offense but the points are there(somehow, some way , etc....we know the defense and special teams can aide them) .....next is if both consecutive wins this year they laid eggs offensively ......2 good totals then @ Minny , 2 good totals then vs NYG , BUT now 2 low scoring totals for them (consistently inconsistent) .......I think the common factor is when they scored a bunch of points but they had a bunch gift wrapped and the last 2 weeks no easy points and missed opps sort of balanced it out .......
from a perception point all saw them win 13-6 vs SEA and all the Alex Smith stuff gets brought up as usual and I mentioned a lot of my reasoning playing det and Chicago overs today was because of the "taste" it probably left in the mouth of gamblers on Monday (but I had that under)......
you look at Arizona and besides the game @ STL they scored at least 14 points in every other game.......looking @ the Vikes game some will say they were lucky to get 14 but they self destructed as well .....missed FG before the half , turnovers , the shody OL play + sacks , and like 9 penalties = ouch (hard to believe it will be worse then that at home even if SF D is better ) ........still Skelton and LRSH had a nice day on the ground but also a week after Powell ran well.......so some things could be coming together. Skelton did win the job and was sort of pressed back into unexpected duty when Kolb got hurt so think he was rusty somewhat ........you look at how some drives ended in Minny.....1st and 10 at the Vikes 14 = nada , 1st and 10 at the Vikes 26 ....sacked on 4th down inside the 15 =nada , punted on 4th and 2 at the vikes 40 ........
a big thing w Minny is they didnt really try once they had a lead to do anything on offense and that makes Arizona D look MUCH MUCH better then it really is .....buffalo and STL before them not exactly dynamic offenses for the Arizona D ......Phins had 21 and Tannehill had a huge day , Seattle had 16 and 9 cracks to win the game inside the 5 yard line late and couldnt , Pats just 18 at home but that was another fluky game where the missed FG at the end came after a TD was called back plus the sloppy play before then......best effort was vs Philly and a late pick 6 before half changed the course of that game.......
so what I am saying is Arizona defense is surviving by the skin of it's teeth all season and while SF may be no offensive upgrade over some previous opps ........I like the timing of it .....especially since Arizona has played w injuries to its defense lately and managed to sort of not skip a beat .....think its an illusion to a degree ......and if some of those guys come back I expect rust or rushing back and not as effective as they normally would be .....
Zona run defense ....30c 160 yds vs Buffalo , Miami 21c 80 yds if you exclude Thomas and Lane w 7c for 6 yards , Eagles 17 c 98 yards, Seattle 25c 95 yards .......so basically they are at best avg vs the run and that's what sets up the SF offense ...which allows me to be confident in a SF offense that has scored 16 pts last 2 games.....
and if you want to give a nod to past history then SF has only scored less then 20 vs Arizona two times in last 10 meetings a 13 pt effort and the 19 the last they met in ZOna........and really the only time Arizona held teams to less then 17 was Wilson's debut w 16 and couldnt get that last scored down 4 and the Eagles who self destruct like clockwork with 6 .....
so I am fairly confident that SF is cracking 20 and Arizona is at 14 but since I think SF covers becomes more like I am comfortable w 23-24 SF to 14 ........now SF defense has been great after a LOSS not allowing a TD I believe under Harbaugh....so that accounts for 2 of the low scoring defensive efforts and Buffalo had chances but blew it so reiterates my comfort thinking Arizona gets to 14 or more...
I think SF defense is good but I think Arizona's is more just above avg which means at times they will allow points ......(but they really haven't YET)
and Arizona is the same team week in and week out but there totals have not really dipped below 40 yet .......at home just the 38.5 vs Miami which found a way to go over w OT ....I see Vernon Davis as someone who could have a day ......
last year in Arizona the key was SF kicked 3 Fgs from inside the Zona 10 yard line ....9 pts rather then 21 in a game they had 19 points......(hence easily could have been in that 23-24 range or more like I expect and Skelton played in that game)
so in conclusion basically I see it as a game that really worst case should be around 23/24 SF to Arizona 14 and I disagree w the perception of Arizona's defense being very good .....SF should run the ball and w a healthier WR group + IMO a POINT of emphasis getting Vernon Davis involved .....also think SF being on MNF , vs a divisional foe , long layoff and need to make a statement after 2 offensive clunkers......guess like SNF were a shoot out was expected and I didnt see it like that , a low scoring game is expected here with 1 difference being I knew McGahee was going to have a day on the ground w SF not sure who is going to step up but guessing its Vernon Davis .......Fitz has had some days vs SF so he is the guy obviously for Arizona who has my confidence but since he is an all pro thats not exactly a news flash when there is not much else surrounding him .......
so also like the SF TT over .....and 1st H over
think its time for the ARIZONA D to pay the piper and borrowed time usually comes up w a mountain of interest
very well said. I agree with most of this and a few other things playing to SF advantage huge here. I dont know why so many people love Arizona. They are a joke of a team and will be VERY lucky to finish the season above .500
The only things I have seen backing Arizona are "Prime time home dogs usually cover" and "Arizona is due" those are both not very good reasons to blindly back a team. They will have trouble scoring tonight. SF will roll.
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