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    I don't understand the line movement in Indy/KC

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    Frank the Bank
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 8:20 AM ET #1

    Indy opened as a favorite, I believe it was 2.5 then went to 1.5.

    With Pro Bowl OT Eric Fisher OUT for KC why did line go down?

    I expected the opposite. Any feedback would be appreciated

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Indy opened as a favorite, I believe it was 2.5 then went to 1.5.

    With Pro Bowl OT Eric Fisher OUT for KC why did line go down?

    I expected the opposite. Any feedback would be appreciated

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 8:33 AM ET #2

    seems like the sharps like kc
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    seems like the sharps like kc
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 8:35 AM ET #3

    Love going to KC.... Indy has looked horrible at times this year despite there record.

    I am heading to the game today in Indy.

    I have:

    Indy -1 and Indy +3 & O40.5 in a teaser

    BOL

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    Love going to KC.... Indy has looked horrible at times this year despite there record.

    I am heading to the game today in Indy.

    I have:

    Indy -1 and Indy +3 & O40.5 in a teaser

    BOL

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 8:54 AM ET #4

    look at the teams indy has beat look at the teams kc has beat indy has better form as of late
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    look at the teams indy has beat look at the teams kc has beat indy has better form as of late
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:21 AM ET #5

    Usually when the line moves it means money is coming in, think about it Frank the Stank!
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    Usually when the line moves it means money is coming in, think about it Frank the Stank!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:32 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank the Bank:

    Indy opened as a favorite, I believe it was 2.5 then went to 1.5.

    With Pro Bowl OT Eric Fisher OUT for KC why did line go down?

    I expected the opposite. Any feedback would be appreciated

    Don't pay any attention to "line movement". People will tell you it means something, and it don't. Bottom line, NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, knows how, why, who has what or the reason why the line moved in a CERTAIN DIRECTION. ONLY VEGAS KNOWS, THAT'S IT. Find a team that YOU like, and take them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank the Bank:

    Indy opened as a favorite, I believe it was 2.5 then went to 1.5.

    With Pro Bowl OT Eric Fisher OUT for KC why did line go down?

    I expected the opposite. Any feedback would be appreciated

    Don't pay any attention to "line movement". People will tell you it means something, and it don't. Bottom line, NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, knows how, why, who has what or the reason why the line moved in a CERTAIN DIRECTION. ONLY VEGAS KNOWS, THAT'S IT. Find a team that YOU like, and take them.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:33 AM ET #7

    Now, let me hear from guys who claim "line movement" means something. When everyone knows it works both ways. So just stop it
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    Now, let me hear from guys who claim "line movement" means something. When everyone knows it works both ways. So just stop it
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:34 AM ET #8

    Line movement means something son!
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    Line movement means something son!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:35 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    Don't pay any attention to "line movement". People will tell you it means something, and it don't. Bottom line, NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, knows how, why, who has what or the reason why the line moved in a CERTAIN DIRECTION. ONLY VEGAS KNOWS, THAT'S IT. Find a team that YOU like, and take them.



    Amen


    Try and get the best line?   PEople The best line is the one that YOU like...if it is 2.5 and you like it and take it...and it moves to 1 or pk...oh well./...did you make the bet worried you'll only win by 2...it happens but rareely...Go Chiefs   

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    Don't pay any attention to "line movement". People will tell you it means something, and it don't. Bottom line, NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, knows how, why, who has what or the reason why the line moved in a CERTAIN DIRECTION. ONLY VEGAS KNOWS, THAT'S IT. Find a team that YOU like, and take them.



    Amen


    Try and get the best line?   PEople The best line is the one that YOU like...if it is 2.5 and you like it and take it...and it moves to 1 or pk...oh well./...did you make the bet worried you'll only win by 2...it happens but rareely...Go Chiefs   

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:36 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by BigUnit:

    Line movement means something son!



    Yeah it does....To Vegas it does...make the bet based on the teams and your judgement..not on line movement lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigUnit:

    Line movement means something son!



    Yeah it does....To Vegas it does...make the bet based on the teams and your judgement..not on line movement lol


     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:40 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by InvestIdontChase:




    Yeah it does....To Vegas it does...make the bet based on the teams and your judgement..not on line movement lol


    ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvestIdontChase:




    Yeah it does....To Vegas it does...make the bet based on the teams and your judgement..not on line movement lol


    ok

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:44 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by BigUnit:

    Line movement means something son!
    People will tell you the "LINE" is moving towards KC so that means money in COMING in on KC. Really???? Not necessarily. Not so fast. The money could be COMING in on Indy, Vegas is making adjustments. NO ONE KNOWS the reason for the movement. Just for the record, I'm taking Indy ML for a medium to large play for myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigUnit:

    Line movement means something son!
    People will tell you the "LINE" is moving towards KC so that means money in COMING in on KC. Really???? Not necessarily. Not so fast. The money could be COMING in on Indy, Vegas is making adjustments. NO ONE KNOWS the reason for the movement. Just for the record, I'm taking Indy ML for a medium to large play for myself
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:46 AM ET #13

    It means large betting syndicates have been betting KC.  The same betting syndicates that bet the Clippers from +1 all the way to Clippers-3 last night.  Clippers won and covered.  Guess what the Chiefs are most likely to do?
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    It means large betting syndicates have been betting KC.  The same betting syndicates that bet the Clippers from +1 all the way to Clippers-3 last night.  Clippers won and covered.  Guess what the Chiefs are most likely to do?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:48 AM ET #14

    Money has been pouring in on KC, almost from the opening day.  Everyone has been discussing how much KC action they are receiving.
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    Money has been pouring in on KC, almost from the opening day.  Everyone has been discussing how much KC action they are receiving.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:48 AM ET #15

    Line movement means everything, especially when a line gets steamed like this one. Put your monies on KC and sit back and enjoy, while all the squares are scratching their heads while they flush more hard earned money down the toilet......"but, but Indy just crushed them 23-7 in KC, how could this happen" too funny, easiest pick of the weekend. 2 words: Andy Reid
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    Line movement means everything, especially when a line gets steamed like this one. Put your monies on KC and sit back and enjoy, while all the squares are scratching their heads while they flush more hard earned money down the toilet......"but, but Indy just crushed them 23-7 in KC, how could this happen" too funny, easiest pick of the weekend. 2 words: Andy Reid
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:49 AM ET #16

    The reason why I'm taking INDY, well, reasons. In the Playoffs, take the HOT teams. Well, Indy is HOT past 3 games. Better QB. Indy's at home, you have to love that. Better coach.  Andy Reid  is OVERRATED, ask Philly fans. KC started 9-0, then lost 5 of 7. Those are the reasons, in that order.

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    The reason why I'm taking INDY, well, reasons. In the Playoffs, take the HOT teams. Well, Indy is HOT past 3 games. Better QB. Indy's at home, you have to love that. Better coach.  Andy Reid  is OVERRATED, ask Philly fans. KC started 9-0, then lost 5 of 7. Those are the reasons, in that order.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:49 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by kimoinsd808:

    It means large betting syndicates have been betting KC.  The same betting syndicates that bet the Clippers from +1 all the way to Clippers-3 last night.  Clippers won and covered.  Guess what the Chiefs are most likely to do?

    Those "Betting syndicates" have no where near enough money to move an NFL playoff game line as much as a normal NBA line.  NFL is most wagered on sport, and playoffs are even bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimoinsd808:

    It means large betting syndicates have been betting KC.  The same betting syndicates that bet the Clippers from +1 all the way to Clippers-3 last night.  Clippers won and covered.  Guess what the Chiefs are most likely to do?

    Those "Betting syndicates" have no where near enough money to move an NFL playoff game line as much as a normal NBA line.  NFL is most wagered on sport, and playoffs are even bigger.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:49 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    People will tell you the "LINE" is moving towards KC so that means money in COMING in on KC. Really???? Not necessarily. Not so fast. The money could be COMING in on Indy, Vegas is making adjustments. NO ONE KNOWS the reason for the movement. Just for the record, I'm taking Indy ML for a medium to large play for myself

    So you think money is coming in on Indy and Vegas makes the line adjustment in THEIR favor? 


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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    People will tell you the "LINE" is moving towards KC so that means money in COMING in on KC. Really???? Not necessarily. Not so fast. The money could be COMING in on Indy, Vegas is making adjustments. NO ONE KNOWS the reason for the movement. Just for the record, I'm taking Indy ML for a medium to large play for myself

    So you think money is coming in on Indy and Vegas makes the line adjustment in THEIR favor? 


     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:50 AM ET #19

    andy reid? one superbowl trip and how many nfc champioship game losses??
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    andy reid? one superbowl trip and how many nfc champioship game losses??
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:51 AM ET #20

    in vegas the line moves when the sharps bet it probably take 3-4 times the money by the public to move the line
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    in vegas the line moves when the sharps bet it probably take 3-4 times the money by the public to move the line
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:51 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:

    Line movement means everything, especially when a line gets steamed like this one. Put your monies on KC and sit back and enjoy, while all the squares are scratching their heads while they flush more hard earned money down the toilet......"but, but Indy just crushed them 23-7 in KC, how could this happen" too funny, easiest pick of the weekend. 2 words: Andy Reid
    So what you're saying is. When a LINE MOVES in a direction OF a team, TO TAKE THAT TEAM? Wow, I didn't realize how EASY gambling was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:

    Line movement means everything, especially when a line gets steamed like this one. Put your monies on KC and sit back and enjoy, while all the squares are scratching their heads while they flush more hard earned money down the toilet......"but, but Indy just crushed them 23-7 in KC, how could this happen" too funny, easiest pick of the weekend. 2 words: Andy Reid
    So what you're saying is. When a LINE MOVES in a direction OF a team, TO TAKE THAT TEAM? Wow, I didn't realize how EASY gambling was.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:54 AM ET #22

    Its not easy!  Line moves are made by the books to try and ensure a profit.
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    Its not easy!  Line moves are made by the books to try and ensure a profit.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:55 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by kimoinsd808:

    It means large betting syndicates have been betting KC.  The same betting syndicates that bet the Clippers from +1 all the way to Clippers-3 last night.  Clippers won and covered.  Guess what the Chiefs are most likely to do?
    Post #22 was meant for you. It works BOTH WAYS. I can show you where it works both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimoinsd808:

    It means large betting syndicates have been betting KC.  The same betting syndicates that bet the Clippers from +1 all the way to Clippers-3 last night.  Clippers won and covered.  Guess what the Chiefs are most likely to do?
    Post #22 was meant for you. It works BOTH WAYS. I can show you where it works both ways.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2014 - 9:55 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    People will tell you the "LINE" is moving towards KC so that means money in COMING in on KC. Really???? Not necessarily. Not so fast. The money could be COMING in on Indy, Vegas is making adjustments. NO ONE KNOWS the reason for the movement. Just for the record, I'm taking Indy ML for a medium to large play for myself

    That's quite absurd.  Maybe in another sport when then the books have limited exposure they will move the line on air, but for an NFL playoff game they are not going to move the line in an unfavorable manner and create a larger liability for themselves.  So you think they were getting so much IND action at -1.5 they wanted to move the line all the way to +1, increasing their liability?  C'mon, man!

    People need to remember, there are normally 16 games in an NFL week, minus 2-3 primetime games.  So the whole betting public (sharps, squares, pros, joes.. everyone) gets to put their money down on 12+ games, which most likely will spread the money out.  Now that same money (if not more, playoff hype) is consolidated into FOUR GAMES.  They are definitely taking in more money on a per game basis than probably anytime in the season.  So what happens when everyone likes one side?  There's a garbage-ton of money creating a huge liability for them. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    People will tell you the "LINE" is moving towards KC so that means money in COMING in on KC. Really???? Not necessarily. Not so fast. The money could be COMING in on Indy, Vegas is making adjustments. NO ONE KNOWS the reason for the movement. Just for the record, I'm taking Indy ML for a medium to large play for myself

    That's quite absurd.  Maybe in another sport when then the books have limited exposure they will move the line on air, but for an NFL playoff game they are not going to move the line in an unfavorable manner and create a larger liability for themselves.  So you think they were getting so much IND action at -1.5 they wanted to move the line all the way to +1, increasing their liability?  C'mon, man!

    People need to remember, there are normally 16 games in an NFL week, minus 2-3 primetime games.  So the whole betting public (sharps, squares, pros, joes.. everyone) gets to put their money down on 12+ games, which most likely will spread the money out.  Now that same money (if not more, playoff hype) is consolidated into FOUR GAMES.  They are definitely taking in more money on a per game basis than probably anytime in the season.  So what happens when everyone likes one side?  There's a garbage-ton of money creating a huge liability for them. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:

    Line movement means everything, especially when a line gets steamed like this one. Put your monies on KC and sit back and enjoy, while all the squares are scratching their heads while they flush more hard earned money down the toilet......"but, but Indy just crushed them 23-7 in KC, how could this happen" too funny, easiest pick of the weekend. 2 words: Andy Reid

    "Squares" are the bettors who are betting KC at PK when they could've bet them at +2.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:

    Line movement means everything, especially when a line gets steamed like this one. Put your monies on KC and sit back and enjoy, while all the squares are scratching their heads while they flush more hard earned money down the toilet......"but, but Indy just crushed them 23-7 in KC, how could this happen" too funny, easiest pick of the weekend. 2 words: Andy Reid

    "Squares" are the bettors who are betting KC at PK when they could've bet them at +2.5
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