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    How many positions are the Chiefs better than the 49ers?

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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 12:04 AM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Punch_:

    1/3 of 2019-2020 Niners games they sacked opposing QB < 3 times Chiefs are 3rd overall in protecting their QB from sacks, probability dictates Niners sack Mahomes less than 3 times.

     

    No, it means the probability  is now doubled up because  the extreme  happens  in the super bowl. He either doesn't get sacked or becomes a floundering  Cam Newton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Punch_:

    1/3 of 2019-2020 Niners games they sacked opposing QB < 3 times Chiefs are 3rd overall in protecting their QB from sacks, probability dictates Niners sack Mahomes less than 3 times.

     

    No, it means the probability  is now doubled up because  the extreme  happens  in the super bowl. He either doesn't get sacked or becomes a floundering  Cam Newton

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 12:54 AM ET #77

    Lol, Andy Reid is 10x the coach that Shanahan is.  What kind of a joke biased rating are you equating a lucky year for Shanahan where everything has gone right for him including a pathetic schedule and offensive scheme that defenses will need an offseason to scheme against (look at the Rams lol).  Meanwhile Andy Reid will coach circles over that 49ers coaching staff, so will Spags.

     

    I am a 49er fan and I even wrote here my prediction for the Superbowl back in August being Chiefs vs 49ers https://www.covers.com/forum/ViewThread/103366812/win-a-free-month-of-leaguecappers-picks-winners-posted-inside

    With that said, the Chiefs will wipe the floor with 9ers and Jimmy G will fold like a lawn chair.  Mahomes is about 5 times better than him.  The Broncos elite pass rush could never get to Mahomes.  The 49ers pass rush has zero shot of stopping Mahomes.  Mahomes is not a statue QB.  He feasts on escaping the pocket, manipulating the pocket, swimming within the pocket and buying enough time for his speedy receivers to get open.  His fast accurate and powerful strikes then happen at an instant the moment his guys have broken open.

    Mahomes is easily the best QB I have ever witnessed by far.  The only way to beat the Chiefs is to have an elite QB and elite passing game.  A running team has little to zero shot.  I cannot believe people STILL haven't understood this as all of even last season the "gameplan" was to run the ball and keep Mahomes on the bench.  THIS NEVER FUCKING WORKS!  As the Chiefs will outscore you and force you to throw the ball.  This is why you need an elite QB like Brady last season or Brees or Goff playing out of his mind last season.  Jimmy G has proven this season that he is NOT that QB.  Shanahan cannot simply scheme an elite passing game. 

    Chiefs destroy the Niners here.  Zero question about that.  Anyone who thinks differently is either a Chiefs/Mahomes hater or 49er homer.  Considering I've been a 49er fan since 1997, take my words seriously.  49ers have zero shot of winning/covering.  Zero.

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    Lol, Andy Reid is 10x the coach that Shanahan is.  What kind of a joke biased rating are you equating a lucky year for Shanahan where everything has gone right for him including a pathetic schedule and offensive scheme that defenses will need an offseason to scheme against (look at the Rams lol).  Meanwhile Andy Reid will coach circles over that 49ers coaching staff, so will Spags.

     

    I am a 49er fan and I even wrote here my prediction for the Superbowl back in August being Chiefs vs 49ers https://www.covers.com/forum/ViewThread/103366812/win-a-free-month-of-leaguecappers-picks-winners-posted-inside

    With that said, the Chiefs will wipe the floor with 9ers and Jimmy G will fold like a lawn chair.  Mahomes is about 5 times better than him.  The Broncos elite pass rush could never get to Mahomes.  The 49ers pass rush has zero shot of stopping Mahomes.  Mahomes is not a statue QB.  He feasts on escaping the pocket, manipulating the pocket, swimming within the pocket and buying enough time for his speedy receivers to get open.  His fast accurate and powerful strikes then happen at an instant the moment his guys have broken open.

    Mahomes is easily the best QB I have ever witnessed by far.  The only way to beat the Chiefs is to have an elite QB and elite passing game.  A running team has little to zero shot.  I cannot believe people STILL haven't understood this as all of even last season the "gameplan" was to run the ball and keep Mahomes on the bench.  THIS NEVER FUCKING WORKS!  As the Chiefs will outscore you and force you to throw the ball.  This is why you need an elite QB like Brady last season or Brees or Goff playing out of his mind last season.  Jimmy G has proven this season that he is NOT that QB.  Shanahan cannot simply scheme an elite passing game. 

    Chiefs destroy the Niners here.  Zero question about that.  Anyone who thinks differently is either a Chiefs/Mahomes hater or 49er homer.  Considering I've been a 49er fan since 1997, take my words seriously.  49ers have zero shot of winning/covering.  Zero.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 1:17 AM ET #78

    Wow,  what a great read this thread so far Andarmac99.  Thanks
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    Wow,  what a great read this thread so far Andarmac99.  Thanks
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 3:34 AM ET #79

    I been watching football for  a long time, and have witnessed great defense taking down  great  offense plenty of times. Especially teams with a strong D-Line. Go throw your money away  on KC- this game won’t be closed 

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    I been watching football for  a long time, and have witnessed great defense taking down  great  offense plenty of times. Especially teams with a strong D-Line. Go throw your money away  on KC- this game won’t be closed 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 3:58 AM ET #80

    I’m tired of you clowns dis-respecting the 49ers all year ? They couldn’t beat a Viking team that just beat the Saints ? They couldn’t beat the legendary Aaron Rodgers lolllolol- not only did we beat them? They  humiliated both of those teams.   SF will finish this puppy up in less then 2 weeks. Kc is a 1 trick pony with Probly the most talented QB we ever seen.But Mahomes only can’t do it!!!

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    I’m tired of you clowns dis-respecting the 49ers all year ? They couldn’t beat a Viking team that just beat the Saints ? They couldn’t beat the legendary Aaron Rodgers lolllolol- not only did we beat them? They  humiliated both of those teams.   SF will finish this puppy up in less then 2 weeks. Kc is a 1 trick pony with Probly the most talented QB we ever seen.But Mahomes only can’t do it!!!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 6:27 AM ET #81

    this is Elway vs Niners again. less scoring though
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    this is Elway vs Niners again. less scoring though
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 8:13 AM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    Lol, Andy Reid is 10x the coach that Shanahan is.  What kind of a joke biased rating are you equating a lucky year for Shanahan where everything has gone right for him including a pathetic schedule and offensive scheme that defenses will need an offseason to scheme against (look at the Rams lol).  Meanwhile Andy Reid will coach circles over that 49ers coaching staff, so will Spags.   I am a 49er fan and I even wrote here my prediction for the Superbowl back in August being Chiefs vs 49ers https://www.covers.com/forum/ViewThread/103366812/win-a-free-month-of-leaguecappers-picks-winners-posted-inside With that said, the Chiefs will wipe the floor with 9ers and Jimmy G will fold like a lawn chair.  Mahomes is about 5 times better than him.  The Broncos elite pass rush could never get to Mahomes.  The 49ers pass rush has zero shot of stopping Mahomes.  Mahomes is not a statue QB.  He feasts on escaping the pocket, manipulating the pocket, swimming within the pocket and buying enough time for his speedy receivers to get open.  His fast accurate and powerful strikes then happen at an instant the moment his guys have broken open. Mahomes is easily the best QB I have ever witnessed by far.  The only way to beat the Chiefs is to have an elite QB and elite passing game.  A running team has little to zero shot.  I cannot believe people STILL haven't understood this as all of even last season the "gameplan" was to run the ball and keep Mahomes on the bench.  THIS NEVER FUCKING WORKS!  As the Chiefs will outscore you and force you to throw the ball.  This is why you need an elite QB like Brady last season or Brees or Goff playing out of his mind last season.  Jimmy G has proven this season that he is NOT that QB.  Shanahan cannot simply scheme an elite passing game.  Chiefs destroy the Niners here.  Zero question about that.  Anyone who thinks differently is either a Chiefs/Mahomes hater or 49er homer.  Considering I've been a 49er fan since 1997, take my words seriously.  49ers have zero shot of winning/covering.  Zero.

    This is what I am leaning.  Mahomes right now is as good if not better than Brady in his prime and has a much better surrounding cast.  Its fine to make the argument that player by player San Fran comes out on top, football is more complicated than that however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    Lol, Andy Reid is 10x the coach that Shanahan is.  What kind of a joke biased rating are you equating a lucky year for Shanahan where everything has gone right for him including a pathetic schedule and offensive scheme that defenses will need an offseason to scheme against (look at the Rams lol).  Meanwhile Andy Reid will coach circles over that 49ers coaching staff, so will Spags.   I am a 49er fan and I even wrote here my prediction for the Superbowl back in August being Chiefs vs 49ers https://www.covers.com/forum/ViewThread/103366812/win-a-free-month-of-leaguecappers-picks-winners-posted-inside With that said, the Chiefs will wipe the floor with 9ers and Jimmy G will fold like a lawn chair.  Mahomes is about 5 times better than him.  The Broncos elite pass rush could never get to Mahomes.  The 49ers pass rush has zero shot of stopping Mahomes.  Mahomes is not a statue QB.  He feasts on escaping the pocket, manipulating the pocket, swimming within the pocket and buying enough time for his speedy receivers to get open.  His fast accurate and powerful strikes then happen at an instant the moment his guys have broken open. Mahomes is easily the best QB I have ever witnessed by far.  The only way to beat the Chiefs is to have an elite QB and elite passing game.  A running team has little to zero shot.  I cannot believe people STILL haven't understood this as all of even last season the "gameplan" was to run the ball and keep Mahomes on the bench.  THIS NEVER FUCKING WORKS!  As the Chiefs will outscore you and force you to throw the ball.  This is why you need an elite QB like Brady last season or Brees or Goff playing out of his mind last season.  Jimmy G has proven this season that he is NOT that QB.  Shanahan cannot simply scheme an elite passing game.  Chiefs destroy the Niners here.  Zero question about that.  Anyone who thinks differently is either a Chiefs/Mahomes hater or 49er homer.  Considering I've been a 49er fan since 1997, take my words seriously.  49ers have zero shot of winning/covering.  Zero.

    This is what I am leaning.  Mahomes right now is as good if not better than Brady in his prime and has a much better surrounding cast.  Its fine to make the argument that player by player San Fran comes out on top, football is more complicated than that however.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 8:49 AM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Excellent point Ninja. Seattle gave SF fits this year, were 6" from sweeping the series (or the idiot coaches delay of game penalty on the 1 yard line).Mahomes is the NFLs next superstar and will do what he does best, scramble and make plays with his arm or his feet.Hilarious someone above picked a SF blowout. Blowouts don't occur much when the team claiming to get blown out averaged 43 pts the last 2 games... This game could be Rams vs. KC last year on MNF when neither team could stop the other.
      Mahomes  will do virtually  nothing. He won't even exceed 17 points.  This will be nothing like a shootout.nothing

    I can't tell if you are being serious here.  Based on previous posts I'd say you're just stirring the pot, seems to be your M.O.  I understand why people want to lump Mahomes in with other high scoring "fad" QBs from the past but I say these people have not watched Mahomes play, probably just the highlights they see on espn.  It's irresponsible to compare this guy to Cam or a broken down Peyton playing in SB.  Mahomes has been shutout for exactly ONE half of football in his nfl career, not one game, one half.  They then proceeded to put up 31 points in the next half vs. the Defense that held the Rams to 3 points in the Superbowl two weeks later.  Again, Mahomes has lost ZERO games by double digits.  I'm sure it'll happen eventually but the SB is not that time.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Excellent point Ninja. Seattle gave SF fits this year, were 6" from sweeping the series (or the idiot coaches delay of game penalty on the 1 yard line).Mahomes is the NFLs next superstar and will do what he does best, scramble and make plays with his arm or his feet.Hilarious someone above picked a SF blowout. Blowouts don't occur much when the team claiming to get blown out averaged 43 pts the last 2 games... This game could be Rams vs. KC last year on MNF when neither team could stop the other.
      Mahomes  will do virtually  nothing. He won't even exceed 17 points.  This will be nothing like a shootout.nothing

    I can't tell if you are being serious here.  Based on previous posts I'd say you're just stirring the pot, seems to be your M.O.  I understand why people want to lump Mahomes in with other high scoring "fad" QBs from the past but I say these people have not watched Mahomes play, probably just the highlights they see on espn.  It's irresponsible to compare this guy to Cam or a broken down Peyton playing in SB.  Mahomes has been shutout for exactly ONE half of football in his nfl career, not one game, one half.  They then proceeded to put up 31 points in the next half vs. the Defense that held the Rams to 3 points in the Superbowl two weeks later.  Again, Mahomes has lost ZERO games by double digits.  I'm sure it'll happen eventually but the SB is not that time.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 10:06 AM ET #84

    Reid coaching blunders is getting cover up by Mahomes greatness. There’s no denying Reid knows how 2 build great offensive teams. He’s A suspect head coach tho. 

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    Reid coaching blunders is getting cover up by Mahomes greatness. There’s no denying Reid knows how 2 build great offensive teams. He’s A suspect head coach tho. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Few props popping up. Here's a fun one if you are a smaller bettor at 5Dimes and want to bet on SF:

    SF wins by an odd margin of points +250

    SF wins by an even margin of points +348

     

    You can effectively lock in the SF ML for at least a +150 price, which is significantly better than what the actual ML is. 



    My local who matches 5D was pissed when I bet this ...lol ...limited me to $100 
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Few props popping up. Here's a fun one if you are a smaller bettor at 5Dimes and want to bet on SF:

    SF wins by an odd margin of points +250

    SF wins by an even margin of points +348

     

    You can effectively lock in the SF ML for at least a +150 price, which is significantly better than what the actual ML is. 



    My local who matches 5D was pissed when I bet this ...lol ...limited me to $100 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2020 - 10:53 AM ET #86

    Anyone responding to Chic "Tin Hat Wearing Champ" Cardinals is just wasting their time...please stop feeding the Covers decorative chia pet...we are trying to train him correctly and responding to him like he is a legitimate poster is only feeding the beast...

    Great initial post Andy...love your work...

    But, as I mentioned in Uncle Benelli's thread, the real value in this game is on the OVER...

    There is a reason the books have this as a close game...and it is NOT because defense will rule the day...both of these offenses can light it up...the only thing holding this game down is Shanahan himself...

    Everyone and their mother knows that Shanahan's game plan to stop Mahomes will be to limit his possessions...and you do that by running the ball, controlling the clock...nice long drives for TDs...every coach's dream...and even if you don't score, it's not that big a deal because you have such a good defense you can depend on them to stop KC and win the game for you...right?...

    The Chiefs, on the other hand, will have no such illusions...knowing their defense is not the caliber of the 49ers, they will continue to attempt to score on every single possession...

    Back to Shanahan...what happened vs the Packers?...got a HUGE lead in the 1H...27-0...and what did he do in the 2H...?...came out super conservative...several 3 and outs...gave the Packers extra possessions and they scored 20 points to SF 10 points...I have seen him do this sh*t many times...57 points scored in that game and SF  limited their scoring by going conservative...

    Remember, that Packers team had ONE viable threat in Adams...and they scored 20 points in that 2H against that "ELITE" SF defense...

    The Chiefs will score in this game...if this is a back n forth game where they are trading scores, Shanahan won't have the luxury of crawling into his conservative turtle shell...

    If you believe the Chiefs score 24+  in this game...you MUST take the OVER as the 49ers will have to keep up...

    Easier to take the OVER, imo..than a side here...



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    Anyone responding to Chic "Tin Hat Wearing Champ" Cardinals is just wasting their time...please stop feeding the Covers decorative chia pet...we are trying to train him correctly and responding to him like he is a legitimate poster is only feeding the beast...

    Great initial post Andy...love your work...

    But, as I mentioned in Uncle Benelli's thread, the real value in this game is on the OVER...

    There is a reason the books have this as a close game...and it is NOT because defense will rule the day...both of these offenses can light it up...the only thing holding this game down is Shanahan himself...

    Everyone and their mother knows that Shanahan's game plan to stop Mahomes will be to limit his possessions...and you do that by running the ball, controlling the clock...nice long drives for TDs...every coach's dream...and even if you don't score, it's not that big a deal because you have such a good defense you can depend on them to stop KC and win the game for you...right?...

    The Chiefs, on the other hand, will have no such illusions...knowing their defense is not the caliber of the 49ers, they will continue to attempt to score on every single possession...

    Back to Shanahan...what happened vs the Packers?...got a HUGE lead in the 1H...27-0...and what did he do in the 2H...?...came out super conservative...several 3 and outs...gave the Packers extra possessions and they scored 20 points to SF 10 points...I have seen him do this sh*t many times...57 points scored in that game and SF  limited their scoring by going conservative...

    Remember, that Packers team had ONE viable threat in Adams...and they scored 20 points in that 2H against that "ELITE" SF defense...

    The Chiefs will score in this game...if this is a back n forth game where they are trading scores, Shanahan won't have the luxury of crawling into his conservative turtle shell...

    If you believe the Chiefs score 24+  in this game...you MUST take the OVER as the 49ers will have to keep up...

    Easier to take the OVER, imo..than a side here...



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikid2groove035:

    Reid coaching blunders is getting cover up by Mahomes greatness. There’s no denying Reid knows how 2 build great offensive teams. He’s A suspect head coach tho.

    This and the undisciplined football that the team will tend to play.  I'd say they have to play an extremely disciplined game on both sides of the ball in order to pull off the win.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikid2groove035:

    Reid coaching blunders is getting cover up by Mahomes greatness. There’s no denying Reid knows how 2 build great offensive teams. He’s A suspect head coach tho.

    This and the undisciplined football that the team will tend to play.  I'd say they have to play an extremely disciplined game on both sides of the ball in order to pull off the win.  

     
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    Smacksmitter I wouldn’t put too much stock into the Packers putting 20 up on us in the second half. With us up 27-0, the main focus of the Niners was to avoid injuries especially with the bad luck we have had with getting people hurt since week 4. As a result, subs were playing more minutes and the players were kinda pulling back as the last thing we can afford is injuries on the D. With this game being the super bowl, the guys on defense will be giving it their all both first and second half. 

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    Smacksmitter I wouldn’t put too much stock into the Packers putting 20 up on us in the second half. With us up 27-0, the main focus of the Niners was to avoid injuries especially with the bad luck we have had with getting people hurt since week 4. As a result, subs were playing more minutes and the players were kinda pulling back as the last thing we can afford is injuries on the D. With this game being the super bowl, the guys on defense will be giving it their all both first and second half. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKniner83:

    Smacksmitter I wouldn’t put too much stock into the Packers putting 20 up on us in the second half. With us up 27-0, the main focus of the Niners was to avoid injuries especially with the bad luck we have had with getting people hurt since week 4. As a result, subs were playing more minutes and the players were kinda pulling back as the last thing we can afford is injuries on the D. With this game being the super bowl, the guys on defense will be giving it their all both first and second half. 


    Begging your pardon, Sir...but I do not remember subs playing the entire or even large portions of the 2H...

    If you have some documentation to that I would be happy to see it but I do not believe your statement is accurate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKniner83:

    Smacksmitter I wouldn’t put too much stock into the Packers putting 20 up on us in the second half. With us up 27-0, the main focus of the Niners was to avoid injuries especially with the bad luck we have had with getting people hurt since week 4. As a result, subs were playing more minutes and the players were kinda pulling back as the last thing we can afford is injuries on the D. With this game being the super bowl, the guys on defense will be giving it their all both first and second half. 


    Begging your pardon, Sir...but I do not remember subs playing the entire or even large portions of the 2H...

    If you have some documentation to that I would be happy to see it but I do not believe your statement is accurate...

     
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    Smacksmitter At the end of the 3rd Dre Greenlaw and K’waun Williams got injured . They took Dre out the game for precautionary reasons. From observing it looked like they were going more prevent defense and I didn’t see that same intensity in the second half as the last thing we could afford is an injury. Another factor is that the fellas on our coaching staff is good friends with Lafleur (pack coach). As a result they eased up and didn’t want to humiliate him. Trust and believe we could have easily won this game like 45-7 if we wanted to

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    Smacksmitter At the end of the 3rd Dre Greenlaw and K’waun Williams got injured . They took Dre out the game for precautionary reasons. From observing it looked like they were going more prevent defense and I didn’t see that same intensity in the second half as the last thing we could afford is an injury. Another factor is that the fellas on our coaching staff is good friends with Lafleur (pack coach). As a result they eased up and didn’t want to humiliate him. Trust and believe we could have easily won this game like 45-7 if we wanted to

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKniner83:

    Smacksmitter At the end of the 3rd Dre Greenlaw and K’waun Williams got injured . They took Dre out the game for precautionary reasons. From observing it looked like they were going more prevent defense and I didn’t see that same intensity in the second half as the last thing we could afford is an injury. Another factor is that the fellas on our coaching staff is good friends with Lafleur (pack coach). As a result they eased up and didn’t want to humiliate him. Trust and believe we could have easily won this game like 45-7 if we wanted to

    Don't be a victim of short-term memory syndrome.

    GB was DVOA ranked 15th going into that game.

    For comparison (Off DVOA/Def DVOA):

    KC 3rd (40.0% / -4.7%)

    TEN 4th (33.8% / -4.9%)

    SF 5th (30.9% / -17.5%)

    MIN 8th (11.2% / -13.0%)

    GB 15th (3.3% (!) / -0.2% (!))

     

    Beating GB badly was expected, not something you should use to support the same level of beating SF can deal out to KC.

    [footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2020/week-19-dvoa-ratings]

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKniner83:

    Smacksmitter At the end of the 3rd Dre Greenlaw and K’waun Williams got injured . They took Dre out the game for precautionary reasons. From observing it looked like they were going more prevent defense and I didn’t see that same intensity in the second half as the last thing we could afford is an injury. Another factor is that the fellas on our coaching staff is good friends with Lafleur (pack coach). As a result they eased up and didn’t want to humiliate him. Trust and believe we could have easily won this game like 45-7 if we wanted to

    Don't be a victim of short-term memory syndrome.

    GB was DVOA ranked 15th going into that game.

    For comparison (Off DVOA/Def DVOA):

    KC 3rd (40.0% / -4.7%)

    TEN 4th (33.8% / -4.9%)

    SF 5th (30.9% / -17.5%)

    MIN 8th (11.2% / -13.0%)

    GB 15th (3.3% (!) / -0.2% (!))

     

    Beating GB badly was expected, not something you should use to support the same level of beating SF can deal out to KC.

    [footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2020/week-19-dvoa-ratings]

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Punch_:

    Not to derail the thread but...

     

    Last 7 games, 

    KC put up 31+ in 4 of those weeks, with 26 in the 5th highest scoring

    SF put up 27+ in 4 of those weeks with 26 in the 5th highest scoring, the other 2 weeks? they lost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Punch_:

    Not to derail the thread but...

     

    Last 7 games, 

    KC put up 31+ in 4 of those weeks, with 26 in the 5th highest scoring

    SF put up 27+ in 4 of those weeks with 26 in the 5th highest scoring, the other 2 weeks? they lost.


    One of us will be right, you like over, I have my reasons for the under.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeOnly:

    andarmac99

    One of the very few members left that keeps guys like me returning to this website.  Possibly the most knowledgeable poster I've ever run across.

    Win or lose, this will be the most informative thread leading up to the big game.  Selfish me wishes you would post more often, Andy.  Good luck.


    There are SOME posters on Covers that wrongfully have the word "LEGEND"  under their name. The ONLY reason it is there is because of the amount of posts they have made [ Not truly earned ] If you followed every pick they made over the years, you would be down a bundle.

    IMO you could count the true "LEGENDS" on one hand, and andarmac99 is one of them. 

    No fancy bells and whistles, or look at me threads.
    No bogus lines or records.
    No picks from a $70 Marc Lawrence Playbook that is a year old and meaningless.
    No bumping up his thread the moment his team won just to say "I told you so"



    Just true Info to help some in making their decision one way or another. 


    Good Luck Andy.  Much respect. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeOnly:

    andarmac99

    One of the very few members left that keeps guys like me returning to this website.  Possibly the most knowledgeable poster I've ever run across.

    Win or lose, this will be the most informative thread leading up to the big game.  Selfish me wishes you would post more often, Andy.  Good luck.


    There are SOME posters on Covers that wrongfully have the word "LEGEND"  under their name. The ONLY reason it is there is because of the amount of posts they have made [ Not truly earned ] If you followed every pick they made over the years, you would be down a bundle.

    IMO you could count the true "LEGENDS" on one hand, and andarmac99 is one of them. 

    No fancy bells and whistles, or look at me threads.
    No bogus lines or records.
    No picks from a $70 Marc Lawrence Playbook that is a year old and meaningless.
    No bumping up his thread the moment his team won just to say "I told you so"



    Just true Info to help some in making their decision one way or another. 


    Good Luck Andy.  Much respect. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Anyone responding to Chic "Tin Hat Wearing Champ" Cardinals is just wasting their time...please stop feeding the Covers decorative chia pet...we are trying to train him correctly and responding to him like he is a legitimate poster is only feeding the beast...Great initial post Andy...love your work...But, as I mentioned in Uncle Benelli's thread, the real value in this game is on the OVER...There is a reason the books have this as a close game...and it is NOT because defense will rule the day...both of these offenses can light it up...the only thing holding this game down is Shanahan himself...Everyone and their mother knows that Shanahan's game plan to stop Mahomes will be to limit his possessions...and you do that by running the ball, controlling the clock...nice long drives for TDs...every coach's dream...and even if you don't score, it's not that big a deal because you have such a good defense you can depend on them to stop KC and win the game for you...right?...The Chiefs, on the other hand, will have no such illusions...knowing their defense is not the caliber of the 49ers, they will continue to attempt to score on every single possession...Back to Shanahan...what happened vs the Packers?...got a HUGE lead in the 1H...27-0...and what did he do in the 2H...?...came out super conservative...several 3 and outs...gave the Packers extra possessions and they scored 20 points to SF 10 points...I have seen him do this sh*t many times...57 points scored in that game and SF  limited their scoring by going conservative...Remember, that Packers team had ONE viable threat in Adams...and they scored 20 points in that 2H against that "ELITE" SF defense...The Chiefs will score in this game...if this is a back n forth game where they are trading scores, Shanahan won't have the luxury of crawling into his conservative turtle shell...If you believe the Chiefs score 24+  in this game...you MUST take the OVER as the 49ers will have to keep up...Easier to take the OVER, imo..than a side here...

    Lol there's a thing called wisdom from memory and experience and discernment. You have none of these things. Kc will be lucky to get 10 points Like they did in SB  1. Mahomes is  young John elway, or Cam from SB 50 ,in this scenario. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

    Anyone responding to Chic "Tin Hat Wearing Champ" Cardinals is just wasting their time...please stop feeding the Covers decorative chia pet...we are trying to train him correctly and responding to him like he is a legitimate poster is only feeding the beast...Great initial post Andy...love your work...But, as I mentioned in Uncle Benelli's thread, the real value in this game is on the OVER...There is a reason the books have this as a close game...and it is NOT because defense will rule the day...both of these offenses can light it up...the only thing holding this game down is Shanahan himself...Everyone and their mother knows that Shanahan's game plan to stop Mahomes will be to limit his possessions...and you do that by running the ball, controlling the clock...nice long drives for TDs...every coach's dream...and even if you don't score, it's not that big a deal because you have such a good defense you can depend on them to stop KC and win the game for you...right?...The Chiefs, on the other hand, will have no such illusions...knowing their defense is not the caliber of the 49ers, they will continue to attempt to score on every single possession...Back to Shanahan...what happened vs the Packers?...got a HUGE lead in the 1H...27-0...and what did he do in the 2H...?...came out super conservative...several 3 and outs...gave the Packers extra possessions and they scored 20 points to SF 10 points...I have seen him do this sh*t many times...57 points scored in that game and SF  limited their scoring by going conservative...Remember, that Packers team had ONE viable threat in Adams...and they scored 20 points in that 2H against that "ELITE" SF defense...The Chiefs will score in this game...if this is a back n forth game where they are trading scores, Shanahan won't have the luxury of crawling into his conservative turtle shell...If you believe the Chiefs score 24+  in this game...you MUST take the OVER as the 49ers will have to keep up...Easier to take the OVER, imo..than a side here...

    Lol there's a thing called wisdom from memory and experience and discernment. You have none of these things. Kc will be lucky to get 10 points Like they did in SB  1. Mahomes is  young John elway, or Cam from SB 50 ,in this scenario. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Lol there's a thing called wisdom from memory and experience and discernment. You have none of these things. Kc will be lucky to get 10 points Like they did in SB  1. Mahomes is  young John elway, or Cam from SB 50 ,in this scenario. 


    I will review this horsesh!t in detail after the game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Lol there's a thing called wisdom from memory and experience and discernment. You have none of these things. Kc will be lucky to get 10 points Like they did in SB  1. Mahomes is  young John elway, or Cam from SB 50 ,in this scenario. 


    I will review this horsesh!t in detail after the game...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Excellent point Ninja. Seattle gave SF fits this year, were 6" from sweeping the series (or the idiot coaches delay of game penalty on the 1 yard line).Mahomes is the NFLs next superstar and will do what he does best, scramble and make plays with his arm or his feet.Hilarious someone above picked a SF blowout. Blowouts don't occur much when the team claiming to get blown out averaged 43 pts the last 2 games... This game could be Rams vs. KC last year on MNF when neither team could stop the other.
      Mahomes  will do virtually  nothing. He won't even exceed 17 points.  This will be nothing like a shootout.nothing
    I can't tell if you are being serious here.  Based on previous posts I'd say you're just stirring the pot, seems to be your M.O.  I understand why people want to lump Mahomes in with other high scoring "fad" QBs from the past but I say these people have not watched Mahomes play, probably just the highlights they see on espn.  It's irresponsible to compare this guy to Cam or a broken down Peyton playing in SB.  Mahomes has been shutout for exactly ONE half of football in his nfl career, not one game, one half.  They then proceeded to put up 31 points in the next half vs. the Defense that held the Rams to 3 points in the Superbowl two weeks later.  Again, Mahomes has lost ZERO games by double digits.  I'm sure it'll happen eventually but the SB is not that time.

     

    Previous posts? Let's see...I agreed with everyone who said Kc vs SF was coming= correct viewpoint.

    Previous  posts? I've said since week 1, SF would be in SB.

    I did make a mistake  about Pats being the losing team in SB. And I thought Washington  had a narrative  to reach playoffs.  But my macro predict of SF was spot on. I said kc would win 41-20 and SF would win 37-24.. so I wasn't far off the actual scores ( those were my final predictions on multiple forums, I may have not finalized here because  at some point I thought -niners 27-20 ) you choose to cherry pick and have selective memory . 

    Everyone always builds up the SB..great game coming !! Then what's happened the last few years?  Big anti climaxes ...Falcons can't finish, Panthers can't score, Rams can't score, everyone's  sweetheart Manning gets destroyed. These are the trends you need to study.

    History repeats itself. The extreme opposite of what you expect ,seems to be what always happens. 

    Young Elway vs SF. Young Marino vs SF. Young Mahomes vs SF.....trends= young super stars vs SF in SB. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    Excellent point Ninja. Seattle gave SF fits this year, were 6" from sweeping the series (or the idiot coaches delay of game penalty on the 1 yard line).Mahomes is the NFLs next superstar and will do what he does best, scramble and make plays with his arm or his feet.Hilarious someone above picked a SF blowout. Blowouts don't occur much when the team claiming to get blown out averaged 43 pts the last 2 games... This game could be Rams vs. KC last year on MNF when neither team could stop the other.
      Mahomes  will do virtually  nothing. He won't even exceed 17 points.  This will be nothing like a shootout.nothing
    I can't tell if you are being serious here.  Based on previous posts I'd say you're just stirring the pot, seems to be your M.O.  I understand why people want to lump Mahomes in with other high scoring "fad" QBs from the past but I say these people have not watched Mahomes play, probably just the highlights they see on espn.  It's irresponsible to compare this guy to Cam or a broken down Peyton playing in SB.  Mahomes has been shutout for exactly ONE half of football in his nfl career, not one game, one half.  They then proceeded to put up 31 points in the next half vs. the Defense that held the Rams to 3 points in the Superbowl two weeks later.  Again, Mahomes has lost ZERO games by double digits.  I'm sure it'll happen eventually but the SB is not that time.

     

    Previous posts? Let's see...I agreed with everyone who said Kc vs SF was coming= correct viewpoint.

    Previous  posts? I've said since week 1, SF would be in SB.

    I did make a mistake  about Pats being the losing team in SB. And I thought Washington  had a narrative  to reach playoffs.  But my macro predict of SF was spot on. I said kc would win 41-20 and SF would win 37-24.. so I wasn't far off the actual scores ( those were my final predictions on multiple forums, I may have not finalized here because  at some point I thought -niners 27-20 ) you choose to cherry pick and have selective memory . 

    Everyone always builds up the SB..great game coming !! Then what's happened the last few years?  Big anti climaxes ...Falcons can't finish, Panthers can't score, Rams can't score, everyone's  sweetheart Manning gets destroyed. These are the trends you need to study.

    History repeats itself. The extreme opposite of what you expect ,seems to be what always happens. 

    Young Elway vs SF. Young Marino vs SF. Young Mahomes vs SF.....trends= young super stars vs SF in SB. 

     
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    Can’t believe guys try 2 compare Mahomes to newton lollololol- laughable - Mahomes is 10x better 

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    Can’t believe guys try 2 compare Mahomes to newton lollololol- laughable - Mahomes is 10x better 

     
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    There is a reason the books have this as a close game...and it is NOT because defense will rule the day...both of these offenses can light it up...the only thing holding this game down is Shanahan himself

    ===========================

    The reason the books have it as a close game is because  you're dumb enough to believe it. Just  like the books  had Manning beating Seattle  (I'm fairly  sure that was the case) the books job isn't to tell you the truth. It's to lead you  in the wrong direction.  

    You still watch sports like  a 13 year old boy. Gee whiz wally,  my team still has a chance. Anything can happen. His dad knows otherwise. He's scene this artificial  hype 300 times before. 

     

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    There is a reason the books have this as a close game...and it is NOT because defense will rule the day...both of these offenses can light it up...the only thing holding this game down is Shanahan himself

    ===========================

    The reason the books have it as a close game is because  you're dumb enough to believe it. Just  like the books  had Manning beating Seattle  (I'm fairly  sure that was the case) the books job isn't to tell you the truth. It's to lead you  in the wrong direction.  

    You still watch sports like  a 13 year old boy. Gee whiz wally,  my team still has a chance. Anything can happen. His dad knows otherwise. He's scene this artificial  hype 300 times before. 

     

     
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    @andarmac99

    There's a fundamental problem evaluating two teams in this manner.

    For example, you do not want to compare the WR's from each team to each other, you want to compare the WR's to their corresponding CB's (and a lesser extent Safeties) to find mismatches. 

    You want to compare RB's to the other team's DLine and LB corp and Safeties.

    If a DLine is known to apply pressure to a QB and get a lot of sacks you want to compare that to the respective OLine and their tendency to give up sacks/protect the QB.

    Using this last example, SF gets a lot of sacks, but against an OLine and QB on KC, they will likely not be that dominant since KC is top 3 in the league in QB protection.

    So while I applaud the effort you put into your analysis, I think breaking down the game in such a manner does not lead to predicting the result you hoped to achieve.

    My 2 cents.

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    @andarmac99

    There's a fundamental problem evaluating two teams in this manner.

    For example, you do not want to compare the WR's from each team to each other, you want to compare the WR's to their corresponding CB's (and a lesser extent Safeties) to find mismatches. 

    You want to compare RB's to the other team's DLine and LB corp and Safeties.

    If a DLine is known to apply pressure to a QB and get a lot of sacks you want to compare that to the respective OLine and their tendency to give up sacks/protect the QB.

    Using this last example, SF gets a lot of sacks, but against an OLine and QB on KC, they will likely not be that dominant since KC is top 3 in the league in QB protection.

    So while I applaud the effort you put into your analysis, I think breaking down the game in such a manner does not lead to predicting the result you hoped to achieve.

    My 2 cents.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey_Punch_:

    @andarmac99

    There's a fundamental problem evaluating two teams in this manner.

    For example, you do not want to compare the WR's from each team to each other, you want to compare the WR's to their corresponding CB's (and a lesser extent Safeties) to find mismatches. 

    You want to compare RB's to the other team's DLine and LB corp and Safeties.

    If a DLine is known to apply pressure to a QB and get a lot of sacks you want to compare that to the respective OLine and their tendency to give up sacks/protect the QB.

    Using this last example, SF gets a lot of sacks, but against an OLine and QB on KC, they will likely not be that dominant since KC is top 3 in the league in QB protection.

    So while I applaud the effort you put into your analysis, I think breaking down the game in such a manner does not lead to predicting the result you hoped to achieve.

    My 2 cents.





    Thanks Bud. This is the point I think is very
    important in one's overall assessment of this
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    @andarmac99

    There's a fundamental problem evaluating two teams in this manner.

    For example, you do not want to compare the WR's from each team to each other, you want to compare the WR's to their corresponding CB's (and a lesser extent Safeties) to find mismatches. 

    You want to compare RB's to the other team's DLine and LB corp and Safeties.

    If a DLine is known to apply pressure to a QB and get a lot of sacks you want to compare that to the respective OLine and their tendency to give up sacks/protect the QB.

    Using this last example, SF gets a lot of sacks, but against an OLine and QB on KC, they will likely not be that dominant since KC is top 3 in the league in QB protection.

    So while I applaud the effort you put into your analysis, I think breaking down the game in such a manner does not lead to predicting the result you hoped to achieve.

    My 2 cents.





    Thanks Bud. This is the point I think is very
    important in one's overall assessment of this
    matchup , and how it may affect the outcome,


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