You can bash all you want but you still ignore the fact the Giants are more proven. I don't want to argue about whether the Saints win or not, because they have the potential to do just that, I'm not arguing that. Yes I've seen all the games for both teams this year and that is taken into equation equally as stats etc... Trust me I'm familiar with the Saints over the last decade, as I mentioned earlier I'm a huge panther fan, and I even picked the Saints to win the south this year, and really like what they are finally doing with the D especially.
I'm just saying to keep it in perspective to the point that we both know what the Saints seasons have been like lately, I know a lot of Saints fans that were happy to finally see the team win 2 in a row last year, maybe they have completely turnaround things and will win this kind of game, I recognize the possibility of this. It has just been 4 games for them, what more can the Giants do to show there level of dedication and ability to excel over the last 2+ seasons. I'll put it like this if Saints do get a solid win then I will probably be on them for the rest of the year because I know it takes a great team to beat this NY team
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You can bash all you want but you still ignore the fact the Giants are more proven. I don't want to argue about whether the Saints win or not, because they have the potential to do just that, I'm not arguing that. Yes I've seen all the games for both teams this year and that is taken into equation equally as stats etc... Trust me I'm familiar with the Saints over the last decade, as I mentioned earlier I'm a huge panther fan, and I even picked the Saints to win the south this year, and really like what they are finally doing with the D especially.
I'm just saying to keep it in perspective to the point that we both know what the Saints seasons have been like lately, I know a lot of Saints fans that were happy to finally see the team win 2 in a row last year, maybe they have completely turnaround things and will win this kind of game, I recognize the possibility of this. It has just been 4 games for them, what more can the Giants do to show there level of dedication and ability to excel over the last 2+ seasons. I'll put it like this if Saints do get a solid win then I will probably be on them for the rest of the year because I know it takes a great team to beat this NY team
But for right now in this moment of time, all things considered including 2009 games to date, I don't see how you don't take the Giants plus points until proven otherwise
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But for right now in this moment of time, all things considered including 2009 games to date, I don't see how you don't take the Giants plus points until proven otherwise
You can bash all you want but you still ignore the fact the Giants are more proven. I don't want to argue about whether the Saints win or not, because they have the potential to do just that, I'm not arguing that. Yes I've seen all the games for both teams this year and that is taken into equation equally as stats etc... Trust me I'm familiar with the Saints over the last decade, as I mentioned earlier I'm a huge panther fan, and I even picked the Saints to win the south this year, and really like what they are finally doing with the D especially.
I'm just saying to keep it in perspective to the point that we both know what the Saints seasons have been like lately, I know a lot of Saints fans that were happy to finally see the team win 2 in a row last year, maybe they have completely turnaround things and will win this kind of game, I recognize the possibility of this. It has just been 4 games for them, what more can the Giants do to show there level of dedication and ability to excel over the last 2+ seasons. I'll put it like this if Saints do get a solid win then I will probably be on them for the rest of the year because I know it takes a great team to beat this NY team
You are supposedly going off of the Giants Super-Bowl win and last season, which isn't a very long track record if that is what you truly are only considering. Since 2001 the Giants have had 4 winning seasons and 4 post season appearances. You are basing everything off of a VERY recent history in an ever-changing NFL climate.
All that said, player for player, the Saints are equal to or better at every spot. They are well coached, disciplined, and hungry. To say you don't see how someone doesn't take the Giants, on the road, against an equally or more talented opponent makes no sense.
Need I remind you that these Giants got stomped by Cleveland last season? One thing this current version of the Saints franchise HASN'T done is get blown out by lesser opponents at home or on the road.
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Quote Originally Posted by pickinvet:
You can bash all you want but you still ignore the fact the Giants are more proven. I don't want to argue about whether the Saints win or not, because they have the potential to do just that, I'm not arguing that. Yes I've seen all the games for both teams this year and that is taken into equation equally as stats etc... Trust me I'm familiar with the Saints over the last decade, as I mentioned earlier I'm a huge panther fan, and I even picked the Saints to win the south this year, and really like what they are finally doing with the D especially.
I'm just saying to keep it in perspective to the point that we both know what the Saints seasons have been like lately, I know a lot of Saints fans that were happy to finally see the team win 2 in a row last year, maybe they have completely turnaround things and will win this kind of game, I recognize the possibility of this. It has just been 4 games for them, what more can the Giants do to show there level of dedication and ability to excel over the last 2+ seasons. I'll put it like this if Saints do get a solid win then I will probably be on them for the rest of the year because I know it takes a great team to beat this NY team
You are supposedly going off of the Giants Super-Bowl win and last season, which isn't a very long track record if that is what you truly are only considering. Since 2001 the Giants have had 4 winning seasons and 4 post season appearances. You are basing everything off of a VERY recent history in an ever-changing NFL climate.
All that said, player for player, the Saints are equal to or better at every spot. They are well coached, disciplined, and hungry. To say you don't see how someone doesn't take the Giants, on the road, against an equally or more talented opponent makes no sense.
Need I remind you that these Giants got stomped by Cleveland last season? One thing this current version of the Saints franchise HASN'T done is get blown out by lesser opponents at home or on the road.
Brees has had sub par passing stats in his last 2 outings, he will have to pick that up big time to beat the Giants. And I also believe the Saints have a much improved offensive line and the Saints should be able to gash N.Y. for some big runs.
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Brees has had sub par passing stats in his last 2 outings, he will have to pick that up big time to beat the Giants. And I also believe the Saints have a much improved offensive line and the Saints should be able to gash N.Y. for some big runs.
Yeah I'm mostly basing my opinions on this year's giant's team anyway, but I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to see what they've done the last 2 seasons and all signs are pointing to the success continuing. I might add what you said about the 4 playoff appearances... If we want to touch on that, I think I might add those 4 playoff appearances have been consecutive, again not like this matters for this game anyway, but since were just jawing about anyway.
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Yeah I'm mostly basing my opinions on this year's giant's team anyway, but I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to see what they've done the last 2 seasons and all signs are pointing to the success continuing. I might add what you said about the 4 playoff appearances... If we want to touch on that, I think I might add those 4 playoff appearances have been consecutive, again not like this matters for this game anyway, but since were just jawing about anyway.
The Giants are getting so much hype about beating 5 teams that probably won't make the playoffs. Wash, Dallas, Kan City, and the Raiders. My only concern is that damn running gsame they have. This will be a huge test for both teams to see where they are as of now.
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The Giants are getting so much hype about beating 5 teams that probably won't make the playoffs. Wash, Dallas, Kan City, and the Raiders. My only concern is that damn running gsame they have. This will be a huge test for both teams to see where they are as of now.
I like the Saints in this one guys. The Saints at home with that defense is pretty good. Also the Giants front 7 is good but there secondary is average. I think the Saints can get there's on offense and I think the dome and the defense can handle the rest.
The Giants secondary is average???? Whats "average" is that they are averaging only 100 passing yards a game
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Quote Originally Posted by bangerboy:
I like the Saints in this one guys. The Saints at home with that defense is pretty good. Also the Giants front 7 is good but there secondary is average. I think the Saints can get there's on offense and I think the dome and the defense can handle the rest.
The Giants secondary is average???? Whats "average" is that they are averaging only 100 passing yards a game
Brees has had sub par passing stats in his last 2 outings, he will have to pick that up big time to beat the Giants. And I also believe the Saints have a much improved offensive line and the Saints should be able to gash N.Y. for some big runs.
Nothing wrong with the Saints passing game. Other teams gave us the run and we took that all day.
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Quote Originally Posted by chillery:
Brees has had sub par passing stats in his last 2 outings, he will have to pick that up big time to beat the Giants. And I also believe the Saints have a much improved offensive line and the Saints should be able to gash N.Y. for some big runs.
Nothing wrong with the Saints passing game. Other teams gave us the run and we took that all day.
to me, i think its going to be a very difficult game between the two. therefore i say, stick with the o0o0o0o0oVer. manning and brees are going to rip it down the field. i see alot of first downs in each and every quarter.
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and thats the way the cookie crumbles...
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to me, i think its going to be a very difficult game between the two. therefore i say, stick with the o0o0o0o0oVer. manning and brees are going to rip it down the field. i see alot of first downs in each and every quarter.
Yeah I'm mostly basing my opinions on this year's giant's team anyway, but I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to see what they've done the last 2 seasons and all signs are pointing to the success continuing. I might add what you said about the 4 playoff appearances... If we want to touch on that, I think I might add those 4 playoff appearances have been consecutive, again not like this matters for this game anyway, but since were just jawing about anyway.
So what? The Saints made it 3 consecutive years from '89 to '92. In '93 they started 5-0 then proceeded to hit the wall. The NFL changes every year and each game is to be taken on it's own merits. Football is no different from boxing in that regard.
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Quote Originally Posted by pickinvet:
Yeah I'm mostly basing my opinions on this year's giant's team anyway, but I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to see what they've done the last 2 seasons and all signs are pointing to the success continuing. I might add what you said about the 4 playoff appearances... If we want to touch on that, I think I might add those 4 playoff appearances have been consecutive, again not like this matters for this game anyway, but since were just jawing about anyway.
So what? The Saints made it 3 consecutive years from '89 to '92. In '93 they started 5-0 then proceeded to hit the wall. The NFL changes every year and each game is to be taken on it's own merits. Football is no different from boxing in that regard.
I like the Saints in this one guys. The Saints at home with that defense is pretty good. Also the Giants front 7 is good but there secondary is average. I think the Saints can get there's on offense and I think the dome and the defense can handle the rest.
NY G have the lowest in NFL Allowed pass yrds per attempt at 3??? They also lead the NFLin TOP avg of 36 minutes per game, running game vs good defense = NY G win SU
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Quote Originally Posted by bangerboy:
I like the Saints in this one guys. The Saints at home with that defense is pretty good. Also the Giants front 7 is good but there secondary is average. I think the Saints can get there's on offense and I think the dome and the defense can handle the rest.
NY G have the lowest in NFL Allowed pass yrds per attempt at 3??? They also lead the NFLin TOP avg of 36 minutes per game, running game vs good defense = NY G win SU
NY G have the lowest in NFL Allowed pass yrds per attempt at 3??? They also lead the NFLin TOP avg of 36 minutes per game, running game vs good defense = NY G win SU
What vaunted passing attacks have these stats been compiled against pray tell?
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Quote Originally Posted by Jay4Prez:
NY G have the lowest in NFL Allowed pass yrds per attempt at 3??? They also lead the NFLin TOP avg of 36 minutes per game, running game vs good defense = NY G win SU
What vaunted passing attacks have these stats been compiled against pray tell?
Well Aalon, NY G beat Dallas and Dallas was passing 8 yards per attempt. NO pass yrd per attempt avg is less than Dallas, so I guess they have proven to stop a better passing game than NO, and did so in Dallas. Which indicates to me, they can stop a lesser passing attack, better running game and better controlling the clock, should be money. gl bro
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Well Aalon, NY G beat Dallas and Dallas was passing 8 yards per attempt. NO pass yrd per attempt avg is less than Dallas, so I guess they have proven to stop a better passing game than NO, and did so in Dallas. Which indicates to me, they can stop a lesser passing attack, better running game and better controlling the clock, should be money. gl bro
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