The New York Giants will be rolling into New Orleans this weekend to face a 4-0 Saints team that has showed us some signs of a very good team. One of my bigger concerns here is..... Can New Orleans contain the G-mens power running game? I'll be looking at this one closely and adding some commentary as the week progresses....
Any thoughts or opinions out there regarding this match up of two undefeated teams?
At this exact moment I'm leaning towards the G-Men on the $$$ Line....
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The New York Giants will be rolling into New Orleans this weekend to face a 4-0 Saints team that has showed us some signs of a very good team. One of my bigger concerns here is..... Can New Orleans contain the G-mens power running game? I'll be looking at this one closely and adding some commentary as the week progresses....
Any thoughts or opinions out there regarding this match up of two undefeated teams?
At this exact moment I'm leaning towards the G-Men on the $$$ Line....
I like the Saints in this one guys. The Saints at home with that defense is pretty good. Also the Giants front 7 is good but there secondary is average. I think the Saints can get there's on offense and I think the dome and the defense can handle the rest.
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I like the Saints in this one guys. The Saints at home with that defense is pretty good. Also the Giants front 7 is good but there secondary is average. I think the Saints can get there's on offense and I think the dome and the defense can handle the rest.
Last year I constantly stated "if you can get NYG plus points take em" everytime they were road dogs they won outright if I remember correctly. The saints are a good team, and I picked them to win the NFC south before the year started, and that means a lot coming from a big Panther fan like me.
Although they have improved, to me there is no question who the better team is. All week people will talk you out of going NYG because they have played some weaker teams. I have to say that New Orleans aren't exactly world beaters just yet themselves... they played the lions week 1, then the eagles without McNabb and westbrook too I think. The last two games they have looked pretty ordinary in the wins against buffalo and the Jets. While they are a high powered offense its important to remember the D has scored points also against weaker teams.
Since Sean Payton has been the coach and Brees the QB they have yet to cover a spread off a bye week, and considering how hot they have been prior to the bye, I think the bye week angle is either not a factor or a bad thing for the Saints given their history. I look for the Giants to sweep the NFC south this year. I have a parlay with Giants +4 and ATL -2.5 as well as a small play on the Giant ML.
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Last year I constantly stated "if you can get NYG plus points take em" everytime they were road dogs they won outright if I remember correctly. The saints are a good team, and I picked them to win the NFC south before the year started, and that means a lot coming from a big Panther fan like me.
Although they have improved, to me there is no question who the better team is. All week people will talk you out of going NYG because they have played some weaker teams. I have to say that New Orleans aren't exactly world beaters just yet themselves... they played the lions week 1, then the eagles without McNabb and westbrook too I think. The last two games they have looked pretty ordinary in the wins against buffalo and the Jets. While they are a high powered offense its important to remember the D has scored points also against weaker teams.
Since Sean Payton has been the coach and Brees the QB they have yet to cover a spread off a bye week, and considering how hot they have been prior to the bye, I think the bye week angle is either not a factor or a bad thing for the Saints given their history. I look for the Giants to sweep the NFC south this year. I have a parlay with Giants +4 and ATL -2.5 as well as a small play on the Giant ML.
pickinvet I will tell you this much I think the Saints have a great chance of winning this game and easily covering. This Saints team is forreal and I honestly think they are better than the Giants. You have a Giants front 4 vs. a great Saints O line and of course the Saints WR's have the advantage. Also the Saints secondary have the advantage over the Giants recievers. The only positive match I can see for the Giants is there run game and I dont see that being a big factor.
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pickinvet I will tell you this much I think the Saints have a great chance of winning this game and easily covering. This Saints team is forreal and I honestly think they are better than the Giants. You have a Giants front 4 vs. a great Saints O line and of course the Saints WR's have the advantage. Also the Saints secondary have the advantage over the Giants recievers. The only positive match I can see for the Giants is there run game and I dont see that being a big factor.
Dallas ran all over this giants defense, what makes you think Reggie and Pierre cant? if it wasnt for Tony Romo's lack of coverage knowledge...i.e. not picking up the reverse blitz antonio pierce did when that rookie intercepted it to the endzone the giants might of lost that 1. You cannot state a clear case for either teams in this matchup both have there strengths and there weaknesses are fairly unkown, so in other words who ever "you" think will win should be your pick. Thanks
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Dallas ran all over this giants defense, what makes you think Reggie and Pierre cant? if it wasnt for Tony Romo's lack of coverage knowledge...i.e. not picking up the reverse blitz antonio pierce did when that rookie intercepted it to the endzone the giants might of lost that 1. You cannot state a clear case for either teams in this matchup both have there strengths and there weaknesses are fairly unkown, so in other words who ever "you" think will win should be your pick. Thanks
I think the fans will play a big part in this game, that dome will be rockin. Eli ,not a 100% and we had 2 weeks to prepare for them, last year I would admit that the G-men would have won. The key now is that, we finally have a running game.
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I think the fans will play a big part in this game, that dome will be rockin. Eli ,not a 100% and we had 2 weeks to prepare for them, last year I would admit that the G-men would have won. The key now is that, we finally have a running game.
Eli isn't 100%, and Bradshaw also got hurt. Not sure on the extent of Bradshaws injury though. The saints are a juggernaut, and they have had TWO weeks to rest, and prepare for the Giants. In a game like this, that makes a world of a difference. The saints had a poor offensive showing against the jets heading into their bye. I expect them to be firing on all cylinders. I think the over in this game is a really strong play.
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Eli isn't 100%, and Bradshaw also got hurt. Not sure on the extent of Bradshaws injury though. The saints are a juggernaut, and they have had TWO weeks to rest, and prepare for the Giants. In a game like this, that makes a world of a difference. The saints had a poor offensive showing against the jets heading into their bye. I expect them to be firing on all cylinders. I think the over in this game is a really strong play.
great game to watch,not a game to throw money on when you can make a case for either side,to many other teams this week that are better bang for your buck than this one.
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great game to watch,not a game to throw money on when you can make a case for either side,to many other teams this week that are better bang for your buck than this one.
Should be a great game and I'll be in the Dome on Sunday!!
I'm on the Saints -3 for many reasons. The bye week has allowed them to get healthy..starting left tackle Jermal Bushrod, RB Mike Bell and nickel back/ST stud Malcolm Jenkins are all back at full strength. They have not trailed all year and have outscored opponents 45-2 in the 4th qu (intentional safety vs Philly).
Saints lead the NFL in total offense and are 10th in total defense.
They are 2nd in rushing offense and 8th in rushing defense after 4 games. I think they'll contain NYG running game and pressure Eli which should lead to several TOs vs ball-hawking secondary led by Sharper.
I also believe Brees will bounce back strong against a weak secondary. Also, giving a coach like Sean Payton 2 wks to prepare spells trouble for any defense and Saints should find success on the ground and thru the air with multiple weapons.
Finally, despite the offense having 2 "off games", no team has come within 14 pts of them which is the sign of a good team , winning even when not playing its best ball.
I like the SAINTS -3 and OVER 47!!!
GLTA with their plays this week!!!
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Should be a great game and I'll be in the Dome on Sunday!!
I'm on the Saints -3 for many reasons. The bye week has allowed them to get healthy..starting left tackle Jermal Bushrod, RB Mike Bell and nickel back/ST stud Malcolm Jenkins are all back at full strength. They have not trailed all year and have outscored opponents 45-2 in the 4th qu (intentional safety vs Philly).
Saints lead the NFL in total offense and are 10th in total defense.
They are 2nd in rushing offense and 8th in rushing defense after 4 games. I think they'll contain NYG running game and pressure Eli which should lead to several TOs vs ball-hawking secondary led by Sharper.
I also believe Brees will bounce back strong against a weak secondary. Also, giving a coach like Sean Payton 2 wks to prepare spells trouble for any defense and Saints should find success on the ground and thru the air with multiple weapons.
Finally, despite the offense having 2 "off games", no team has come within 14 pts of them which is the sign of a good team , winning even when not playing its best ball.
Last year I constantly stated "if you can get NYG plus points take em" everytime they were road dogs they won outright if I remember correctly. The saints are a good team, and I picked them to win the NFC south before the year started, and that means a lot coming from a big Panther fan like me.
Although they have improved, to me there is no question who the better team is. All week people will talk you out of going NYG because they have played some weaker teams. I have to say that New Orleans aren't exactly world beaters just yet themselves... they played the lions week 1, then the eagles without McNabb and westbrook too I think. The last two games they have looked pretty ordinary in the wins against buffalo and the Jets. While they are a high powered offense its important to remember the D has scored points also against weaker teams.
2 things.
Westbrook played against the Saints. Just check the boxscore for Pete's sake! THAT was the game he got injured in from a hard tackle in the 3rd quarter I believe.
Secondly. They looked ordinary against the Bills and Jets? A 20 point victory on the road and a 14 point victory is ordinary? Do you not realize the Jets score could have easily been 31-10? The Lions 52-27 in not for the mercy of Payton kneeling inside the 5 yard line and a Bush run called back for a phantom hold?
Ok, I lied...3 things.
Check the Saints O-line. It's physical, athletic, and nasty. There may not be a better set of guards in the league. The lack of a run game has purely been injuries and Sean Payton lacking discipline to stick with it. All that has changed in '09.
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Quote Originally Posted by pickinvet:
Last year I constantly stated "if you can get NYG plus points take em" everytime they were road dogs they won outright if I remember correctly. The saints are a good team, and I picked them to win the NFC south before the year started, and that means a lot coming from a big Panther fan like me.
Although they have improved, to me there is no question who the better team is. All week people will talk you out of going NYG because they have played some weaker teams. I have to say that New Orleans aren't exactly world beaters just yet themselves... they played the lions week 1, then the eagles without McNabb and westbrook too I think. The last two games they have looked pretty ordinary in the wins against buffalo and the Jets. While they are a high powered offense its important to remember the D has scored points also against weaker teams.
2 things.
Westbrook played against the Saints. Just check the boxscore for Pete's sake! THAT was the game he got injured in from a hard tackle in the 3rd quarter I believe.
Secondly. They looked ordinary against the Bills and Jets? A 20 point victory on the road and a 14 point victory is ordinary? Do you not realize the Jets score could have easily been 31-10? The Lions 52-27 in not for the mercy of Payton kneeling inside the 5 yard line and a Bush run called back for a phantom hold?
Ok, I lied...3 things.
Check the Saints O-line. It's physical, athletic, and nasty. There may not be a better set of guards in the league. The lack of a run game has purely been injuries and Sean Payton lacking discipline to stick with it. All that has changed in '09.
Well, For 3 quarters the Saints let the bills stick around and as far as Jets what you say is true, but If not for Sanchez early pick 6 in the game it could have been different as well... none of that matters that much to me either way just for conversation sake. I'll sum up my thoughts like this...
The Saints look to be a good team and this should be a great game, when capping this game if your taking the Saints you must acknowledge that for the most part its a "Gut Feeling" bet that the Saints can beat the Giants. I don't claim to be able to see the future, but using the capping techniques that have been proven and analyzing and using all data and known facts to try to determine an edge against the pointspread in this game, the giants are the pick.
In other words the Saints could possibly beat the Giants, but Saints backers have no solid data on what exactly give them an edge, except the Gut feeling in this one. Maybe the Saints will be the 07 pats and dominate, but maybe not. But we can more safely assume NYG's play to be top form on these kind of stages... whether you like NYG or NO no one can argue who the more proven team is at this point in history.
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Well, For 3 quarters the Saints let the bills stick around and as far as Jets what you say is true, but If not for Sanchez early pick 6 in the game it could have been different as well... none of that matters that much to me either way just for conversation sake. I'll sum up my thoughts like this...
The Saints look to be a good team and this should be a great game, when capping this game if your taking the Saints you must acknowledge that for the most part its a "Gut Feeling" bet that the Saints can beat the Giants. I don't claim to be able to see the future, but using the capping techniques that have been proven and analyzing and using all data and known facts to try to determine an edge against the pointspread in this game, the giants are the pick.
In other words the Saints could possibly beat the Giants, but Saints backers have no solid data on what exactly give them an edge, except the Gut feeling in this one. Maybe the Saints will be the 07 pats and dominate, but maybe not. But we can more safely assume NYG's play to be top form on these kind of stages... whether you like NYG or NO no one can argue who the more proven team is at this point in history.
Well, For 3 quarters the Saints let the bills stick around and as far as Jets what you say is true, but If not for Sanchez early pick 6 in the game it could have been different as well... none of that matters that much to me either way just for conversation sake. I'll sum up my thoughts like this...
The Saints look to be a good team and this should be a great game, when capping this game if your taking the Saints you must acknowledge that for the most part its a "Gut Feeling" bet that the Saints can beat the Giants. I don't claim to be able to see the future, but using the capping techniques that have been proven and analyzing and using all data and known facts to try to determine an edge against the pointspread in this game, the giants are the pick.
In other words the Saints could possibly beat the Giants, but Saints backers have no solid data on what exactly give them an edge, except the Gut feeling in this one. Maybe the Saints will be the 07 pats and dominate, but maybe not. But we can more safely assume NYG's play to be top form on these kind of stages... whether you like NYG or NO no one can argue who the more proven team is at this point in history.
Wrong! It's not a "gut-feeling" that the Saints can beat the Giants. The best form of handicapping is watching as many games as possible. Not picking through stats and trends. I'd say its the opposite. It's a "gut-feeling" that would make people pick the Giants simply because their player names are known more than Saints players.
History means absolutely NOTHING for this upcoming game. Every day is a new day and every game is a new game. The Saints have been on this stage before, being that it's only a regular season game and an early one. Mind you the Saints had some VERY good teams when they played in the same division as the Montana/Rice 49ers. This type of game is nothing new to the Saints franchise AT ALL. Truth be told, nothing is really on the line except early bragging rights.
Lastly, the Saints truly have the talent equal to or above the Giants at every spot. Just because the names aren't household yet doesn't change that.
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Quote Originally Posted by pickinvet:
Well, For 3 quarters the Saints let the bills stick around and as far as Jets what you say is true, but If not for Sanchez early pick 6 in the game it could have been different as well... none of that matters that much to me either way just for conversation sake. I'll sum up my thoughts like this...
The Saints look to be a good team and this should be a great game, when capping this game if your taking the Saints you must acknowledge that for the most part its a "Gut Feeling" bet that the Saints can beat the Giants. I don't claim to be able to see the future, but using the capping techniques that have been proven and analyzing and using all data and known facts to try to determine an edge against the pointspread in this game, the giants are the pick.
In other words the Saints could possibly beat the Giants, but Saints backers have no solid data on what exactly give them an edge, except the Gut feeling in this one. Maybe the Saints will be the 07 pats and dominate, but maybe not. But we can more safely assume NYG's play to be top form on these kind of stages... whether you like NYG or NO no one can argue who the more proven team is at this point in history.
Wrong! It's not a "gut-feeling" that the Saints can beat the Giants. The best form of handicapping is watching as many games as possible. Not picking through stats and trends. I'd say its the opposite. It's a "gut-feeling" that would make people pick the Giants simply because their player names are known more than Saints players.
History means absolutely NOTHING for this upcoming game. Every day is a new day and every game is a new game. The Saints have been on this stage before, being that it's only a regular season game and an early one. Mind you the Saints had some VERY good teams when they played in the same division as the Montana/Rice 49ers. This type of game is nothing new to the Saints franchise AT ALL. Truth be told, nothing is really on the line except early bragging rights.
Lastly, the Saints truly have the talent equal to or above the Giants at every spot. Just because the names aren't household yet doesn't change that.
Well, For 3 quarters the Saints let the bills stick around and as far as Jets what you say is true, but If not for Sanchez early pick 6 in the game it could have been different as well... none of that matters that much to me either way just for conversation sake. I'll sum up my thoughts like this...
The Saints look to be a good team and this should be a great game, when capping this game if your taking the Saints you must acknowledge that for the most part its a "Gut Feeling" bet that the Saints can beat the Giants. I don't claim to be able to see the future, but using the capping techniques that have been proven and analyzing and using all data and known facts to try to determine an edge against the pointspread in this game, the giants are the pick.
In other words the Saints could possibly beat the Giants, but Saints backers have no solid data on what exactly give them an edge, except the Gut feeling in this one. Maybe the Saints will be the 07 pats and dominate, but maybe not. But we can more safely assume NYG's play to be top form on these kind of stages... whether you like NYG or NO no one can argue who the more proven team is at this point in history.
Candidate for most ridiculous Covers post of the month.
But you gotta say what you gotta say to back up your Game of the Year, right? Who the hell makes their GOY against the Saints in the Superdome?
Back to your post, if you think there is nothing except "gut feeling" why people who think the Saints will win think that way, then you must have started watching football at about the same time you joined Covers.
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Quote Originally Posted by pickinvet:
Well, For 3 quarters the Saints let the bills stick around and as far as Jets what you say is true, but If not for Sanchez early pick 6 in the game it could have been different as well... none of that matters that much to me either way just for conversation sake. I'll sum up my thoughts like this...
The Saints look to be a good team and this should be a great game, when capping this game if your taking the Saints you must acknowledge that for the most part its a "Gut Feeling" bet that the Saints can beat the Giants. I don't claim to be able to see the future, but using the capping techniques that have been proven and analyzing and using all data and known facts to try to determine an edge against the pointspread in this game, the giants are the pick.
In other words the Saints could possibly beat the Giants, but Saints backers have no solid data on what exactly give them an edge, except the Gut feeling in this one. Maybe the Saints will be the 07 pats and dominate, but maybe not. But we can more safely assume NYG's play to be top form on these kind of stages... whether you like NYG or NO no one can argue who the more proven team is at this point in history.
Candidate for most ridiculous Covers post of the month.
But you gotta say what you gotta say to back up your Game of the Year, right? Who the hell makes their GOY against the Saints in the Superdome?
Back to your post, if you think there is nothing except "gut feeling" why people who think the Saints will win think that way, then you must have started watching football at about the same time you joined Covers.
Kolb threw 3 ints. And Eagles fumbled the kickoff after the half at a time that the Eagles were only down by one score.
The Saints intercepted Kolb 3 times. Malcolm Jenkins knocked the ball away from the kick returner, it didn't just fall out of his hands from opposing fan prayers. The Saints have been practicing creating those types of turnovers since OTAs.
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Quote Originally Posted by IraiseAllin:
Kolb threw 3 ints. And Eagles fumbled the kickoff after the half at a time that the Eagles were only down by one score.
The Saints intercepted Kolb 3 times. Malcolm Jenkins knocked the ball away from the kick returner, it didn't just fall out of his hands from opposing fan prayers. The Saints have been practicing creating those types of turnovers since OTAs.
I haven't heard anything yet about the status of Giants running back Ahmad Bradshaw. I know he's been dealing with a bit of an injury but I'm not sure to what extent. Anyone hear anything about him so far this week?
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I haven't heard anything yet about the status of Giants running back Ahmad Bradshaw. I know he's been dealing with a bit of an injury but I'm not sure to what extent. Anyone hear anything about him so far this week?
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