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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 2:09 AM ET #251

    I wonder how much of Carroll wanting to eat up time (his excuse for throwing instead of simply running it in on 2nd down, which still doesn't make sense to me) had to do with how much time they left GB and Rodgers after Lynch easily walked into the end zone at the end of that game. I recall thinking, "they left too much time for Rodgers." The conundrum with a back like Lynch (if you wanna eat clock) is that he doesn't need two downs to punch it in. If they wanted to run clock, why not throw a less risky out pattern at the corner of the end zone? Here is Carroll's excuse:

    "Carroll wanted to do two things: take time off the clock and score a touchdown by running. On that second-down play, he saw that the Patriots had sent out their big guys, bent on stopping the rush. So Carroll called for a play that he thought would take a few seconds off the clock and if his quarterback, Russell Wilson, ended up throwing a touchdown, that’d be fine too. But his idea was to just run a passing play in which Wilson threw an incompletion and the Seahawks would try to score by rushing with Marshawn Lynch on third down or fourth down.

    That’s why Lynch, regarded as perhaps the game’s best running back, didn’t get the ball then.

    “We were going to run in the ball to win the game, just not on that down,” Carroll said.   
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    I wonder how much of Carroll wanting to eat up time (his excuse for throwing instead of simply running it in on 2nd down, which still doesn't make sense to me) had to do with how much time they left GB and Rodgers after Lynch easily walked into the end zone at the end of that game. I recall thinking, "they left too much time for Rodgers." The conundrum with a back like Lynch (if you wanna eat clock) is that he doesn't need two downs to punch it in. If they wanted to run clock, why not throw a less risky out pattern at the corner of the end zone? Here is Carroll's excuse:

    "Carroll wanted to do two things: take time off the clock and score a touchdown by running. On that second-down play, he saw that the Patriots had sent out their big guys, bent on stopping the rush. So Carroll called for a play that he thought would take a few seconds off the clock and if his quarterback, Russell Wilson, ended up throwing a touchdown, that’d be fine too. But his idea was to just run a passing play in which Wilson threw an incompletion and the Seahawks would try to score by rushing with Marshawn Lynch on third down or fourth down.

    That’s why Lynch, regarded as perhaps the game’s best running back, didn’t get the ball then.

    “We were going to run in the ball to win the game, just not on that down,” Carroll said.   
     
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    Van, as others have said, thanks for posting. You are about the only reason Covers is worth coming to anymore.

    After the game I was very curious to hear your thoughts on the decision making at the end. My thoughts on Belichick were similar, couldn't believe he didn't call a timeout after 1st down.

    Regarding Seattle, I've heard others with your POV, including an article on Grantland with similar thoughts. I can understand the point that with 26 seconds left you are making 3rd down an obvious passing situation if you get stuffed on 2nd. My counter is that Seattle put themselves in that situation by running the clock after 1st down. The 1st down play ended with 1:02 left. They didn't snap 2nd down until 26 seconds left. You can't run down the clock and then claim that you had to pass because there was too little time left. If they had snapped the ball with say 35 seconds left, I think they would have had time to run on 2nd down while still leaving their options open for 3rd down. Interested to hear your thoughts on that.
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    Van, as others have said, thanks for posting. You are about the only reason Covers is worth coming to anymore.

    After the game I was very curious to hear your thoughts on the decision making at the end. My thoughts on Belichick were similar, couldn't believe he didn't call a timeout after 1st down.

    Regarding Seattle, I've heard others with your POV, including an article on Grantland with similar thoughts. I can understand the point that with 26 seconds left you are making 3rd down an obvious passing situation if you get stuffed on 2nd. My counter is that Seattle put themselves in that situation by running the clock after 1st down. The 1st down play ended with 1:02 left. They didn't snap 2nd down until 26 seconds left. You can't run down the clock and then claim that you had to pass because there was too little time left. If they had snapped the ball with say 35 seconds left, I think they would have had time to run on 2nd down while still leaving their options open for 3rd down. Interested to hear your thoughts on that.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 10:37 AM ET #253

    i agree that this wasn't the worst cal in history.  people have a tendency to overreact to a situation like that.  however, i do think it was a bad call.  they had time at 1st and 5 and really needed to be smarter about protecting the ball.  a slant isn't a terrible call.  teams score on slants all of the time.  and they are very hard to intercept since they are so quick.  usually, if something bad happens, the pass gets knocked down.  but again, you have lynch, NE is not a great goaline defense and the 4th quarter is when seattle always punishes teams with lynch since the defenses are tired at that point.


    any comment on the death of the Vanzack rule?  that was clearly a viable let them score situation.  now, every time we bring it up, someone will throw this game back at us.

    finally, what the f*ck was belichik doing at the end.  the only reasonable explanation i can think of for not calling timeout and saving some time for brady would be if they planned on letting seattle score on that last play.  what else would he be thinking?  maybe he planned on letting lynch score but when they saw the formation and figured it might be a pass, it didn't work? i don't know. 


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    i agree that this wasn't the worst cal in history.  people have a tendency to overreact to a situation like that.  however, i do think it was a bad call.  they had time at 1st and 5 and really needed to be smarter about protecting the ball.  a slant isn't a terrible call.  teams score on slants all of the time.  and they are very hard to intercept since they are so quick.  usually, if something bad happens, the pass gets knocked down.  but again, you have lynch, NE is not a great goaline defense and the 4th quarter is when seattle always punishes teams with lynch since the defenses are tired at that point.


    any comment on the death of the Vanzack rule?  that was clearly a viable let them score situation.  now, every time we bring it up, someone will throw this game back at us.

    finally, what the f*ck was belichik doing at the end.  the only reasonable explanation i can think of for not calling timeout and saving some time for brady would be if they planned on letting seattle score on that last play.  what else would he be thinking?  maybe he planned on letting lynch score but when they saw the formation and figured it might be a pass, it didn't work? i don't know. 


     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 10:38 AM ET #254

    in other words, unless i'm missing something, belichik's decision to not call timeout was much worse than the decision to call the slant because it's indefensible, unless he was expecting a lynch run and was going let them score.  even then, i'm not sure.
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    in other words, unless i'm missing something, belichik's decision to not call timeout was much worse than the decision to call the slant because it's indefensible, unless he was expecting a lynch run and was going let them score.  even then, i'm not sure.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:02 PM ET #255

    Vanz....thanks for your posts.....always an insightful read.


    Actually sitting on flight home from Vegas with Happy Gilmore (Jackson) and his check....funny watching him walk thru security with that and then what to do with it when he boarded the plane.....LOL

    Good press for Covers
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    Vanz....thanks for your posts.....always an insightful read.


    Actually sitting on flight home from Vegas with Happy Gilmore (Jackson) and his check....funny watching him walk thru security with that and then what to do with it when he boarded the plane.....LOL

    Good press for Covers
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:31 PM ET #256

    Quote Originally Posted by Livan33:

    Van, as others have said, thanks for posting. You are about the only reason Covers is worth coming to anymore.

    After the game I was very curious to hear your thoughts on the decision making at the end. My thoughts on Belichick were similar, couldn't believe he didn't call a timeout after 1st down.

    Regarding Seattle, I've heard others with your POV, including an article on Grantland with similar thoughts. I can understand the point that with 26 seconds left you are making 3rd down an obvious passing situation if you get stuffed on 2nd. My counter is that Seattle put themselves in that situation by running the clock after 1st down. The 1st down play ended with 1:02 left. They didn't snap 2nd down until 26 seconds left. You can't run down the clock and then claim that you had to pass because there was too little time left. If they had snapped the ball with say 35 seconds left, I think they would have had time to run on 2nd down while still leaving their options open for 3rd down. Interested to hear your thoughts on that.

    Agree with this, and I know Flutiemaniac mentioned this in another thread as well.  Seattle could have ran the play on first down at around 35-40 seconds instead, once they saw that Belichick wasn't calling a timeout, and it would give them plenty of time to run on 2nd down without worry.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Livan33:

    Van, as others have said, thanks for posting. You are about the only reason Covers is worth coming to anymore.

    After the game I was very curious to hear your thoughts on the decision making at the end. My thoughts on Belichick were similar, couldn't believe he didn't call a timeout after 1st down.

    Regarding Seattle, I've heard others with your POV, including an article on Grantland with similar thoughts. I can understand the point that with 26 seconds left you are making 3rd down an obvious passing situation if you get stuffed on 2nd. My counter is that Seattle put themselves in that situation by running the clock after 1st down. The 1st down play ended with 1:02 left. They didn't snap 2nd down until 26 seconds left. You can't run down the clock and then claim that you had to pass because there was too little time left. If they had snapped the ball with say 35 seconds left, I think they would have had time to run on 2nd down while still leaving their options open for 3rd down. Interested to hear your thoughts on that.

    Agree with this, and I know Flutiemaniac mentioned this in another thread as well.  Seattle could have ran the play on first down at around 35-40 seconds instead, once they saw that Belichick wasn't calling a timeout, and it would give them plenty of time to run on 2nd down without worry.  
     
     
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    Meant to say run the play on second down at around 35-40 seconds, not first down. 
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    Meant to say run the play on second down at around 35-40 seconds, not first down. 
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