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    🏈🏈🏈 “To BEt, or not to BEt, that is the question” ...Fubah2's risky bets

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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 8:35 PM ET #1401

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    Niners, a top NFL team ranked either #1 or #2,

    defeated Steelers by 21 and Rams by 7 -

    BOTH ON THE ROAD!

    - and importantly, both teams rated significantly higher than the NYG!an_light

     

    Meanwhile, NYG - when they played an equally high rated Dallas team,

    lost that 0 - 40 ON HOMEFIELD -- and that was WITH Saquan Barkley and a fully intact offensive line!

    an_lightTonight: no Barkley, and the all important left side of the OL will be staffed by backups.

     

    Now, on a short week to prepare, Giants must travel minus 3 offensive starters anda LB, to play a team rated at least as good as Dallas!

    Herbstreit says the Niners D-line is arguably the best in the NFL......we shall see.....

    With Barkley out,  former Niner RB, Breida, may enjoy a good evening!  Extra motivated?! Possibly!

    Niners earned their 3 - 0 lead on first game poss....but NYG looking very sharp as well!

     

     

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    Niners, a top NFL team ranked either #1 or #2,

    defeated Steelers by 21 and Rams by 7 -

    BOTH ON THE ROAD!

    - and importantly, both teams rated significantly higher than the NYG!an_light

     

    Meanwhile, NYG - when they played an equally high rated Dallas team,

    lost that 0 - 40 ON HOMEFIELD -- and that was WITH Saquan Barkley and a fully intact offensive line!

    an_lightTonight: no Barkley, and the all important left side of the OL will be staffed by backups.

     

    Now, on a short week to prepare, Giants must travel minus 3 offensive starters anda LB, to play a team rated at least as good as Dallas!

    Herbstreit says the Niners D-line is arguably the best in the NFL......we shall see.....

    With Barkley out,  former Niner RB, Breida, may enjoy a good evening!  Extra motivated?! Possibly!

    Niners earned their 3 - 0 lead on first game poss....but NYG looking very sharp as well!

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 8:42 PM ET #1402

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Niners, a top NFL team ranked either #1 or #2, defeated Steelers by 21 and Rams by 7 - BOTH ON THE ROAD! - and importantly, both teams rated significantly higher than the NYG!   Meanwhile, NYG - when they played an equally high rated Dallas team, lost that 0 - 40 ON HOMEFIELD -- and that was WITH Saquan Barkley and a fully intact offensive line! Tonight: no Barkley, and the all important left side of the OL will be staffed by backups.   Now, on a short week to prepare, Giants must travel minus 3 offensive starters anda LB, to play a team rated at least as good as Dallas! Herbstreit says the Niners D-line is arguably the best in the NFL......we shall see..... With Barkley out,  former Niner RB, Breida, may enjoy a good evening!  Extra motivated?! Possibly! Niners earned their 3 - 0 lead on first game poss....but NYG looking very sharp as well!
    3 -3 after one drive each.....both teams looked equally good!

    No lucky breaks to either side  .......yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Niners, a top NFL team ranked either #1 or #2, defeated Steelers by 21 and Rams by 7 - BOTH ON THE ROAD! - and importantly, both teams rated significantly higher than the NYG!   Meanwhile, NYG - when they played an equally high rated Dallas team, lost that 0 - 40 ON HOMEFIELD -- and that was WITH Saquan Barkley and a fully intact offensive line! Tonight: no Barkley, and the all important left side of the OL will be staffed by backups.   Now, on a short week to prepare, Giants must travel minus 3 offensive starters anda LB, to play a team rated at least as good as Dallas! Herbstreit says the Niners D-line is arguably the best in the NFL......we shall see..... With Barkley out,  former Niner RB, Breida, may enjoy a good evening!  Extra motivated?! Possibly! Niners earned their 3 - 0 lead on first game poss....but NYG looking very sharp as well!
    3 -3 after one drive each.....both teams looked equally good!

    No lucky breaks to either side  .......yet.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 8:47 PM ET #1403

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Niners earned their 3 - 0 lead on first game poss....but NYG looking very sharp as well!3 -3 after one drive each.....both teams looked equally good! No lucky breaks to either side  .......yet.

     

    Ingame moneyline on Niners has dropped to -450  after they go 5 and out.......we shall see after NYG begins its 2nd drive from their own 10.... Sf in good position to gain great field position....

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    Niners earned their 3 - 0 lead on first game poss....but NYG looking very sharp as well!3 -3 after one drive each.....both teams looked equally good! No lucky breaks to either side  .......yet.

     

    Ingame moneyline on Niners has dropped to -450  after they go 5 and out.......we shall see after NYG begins its 2nd drive from their own 10.... Sf in good position to gain great field position....

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 8:50 PM ET #1404

    End of 1st Q.... 3 - 3

    No "lucky breaks" either team.

    NYG begin 2Q  3rd and long from own 4 after Bosa earns a sack near goal line

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    End of 1st Q.... 3 - 3

    No "lucky breaks" either team.

    NYG begin 2Q  3rd and long from own 4 after Bosa earns a sack near goal line

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 8:57 PM ET #1405

    Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt....

    Still no lucky breaks either team....

    ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23....

    an_lightmoneyline down to SF - 330  an_nailbiter

     

     

     

     

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    Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt....

    Still no lucky breaks either team....

    ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23....

    an_lightmoneyline down to SF - 330  an_nailbiter

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:02 PM ET #1406

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt.... Still no lucky breaks either team.... ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23.... moneyline down to SF - 330

    Niners convert second 3rd and long......McCaffray off to another very good start, as expected....Niners driving deep -- all EARNED from their own 23......now down to Giants 10.....

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    Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt.... Still no lucky breaks either team.... ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23.... moneyline down to SF - 330

    Niners convert second 3rd and long......McCaffray off to another very good start, as expected....Niners driving deep -- all EARNED from their own 23......now down to Giants 10.....

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:08 PM ET #1407

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt.... Still no lucky breaks either team.... ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23.... moneyline down to SF - 330 Niners convert second 3rd and long......McCaffray off to another very good start, as expected....Niners driving deep -- all EARNED from their own 23......now down to Giants 10.....

    Rookie Ronnie Bell out of Michigan, makes first NFL catch....

    TOUCHDOWN 49ers!  an_2drinks

     

    10 - 3 for the good guys!.........moneyline kicks up to -1100

    ..... but Niners have had one extra possession....

    Touchback

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt.... Still no lucky breaks either team.... ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23.... moneyline down to SF - 330 Niners convert second 3rd and long......McCaffray off to another very good start, as expected....Niners driving deep -- all EARNED from their own 23......now down to Giants 10.....

    Rookie Ronnie Bell out of Michigan, makes first NFL catch....

    TOUCHDOWN 49ers!  an_2drinks

     

    10 - 3 for the good guys!.........moneyline kicks up to -1100

    ..... but Niners have had one extra possession....

    Touchback

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:14 PM ET #1408

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt.... Still no lucky breaks either team.... ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23.... moneyline down to SF - 330 Niners convert second 3rd and long......McCaffray off to another very good start, as expected....Niners driving deep -- all EARNED from their own 23......now down to Giants 10..... Rookie Ronnie Bell out of Michigan, makes first NFL catch.... TOUCHDOWN 49ers!    10 - 3 for the good guys!.........moneyline kicks up to -1100 ..... but Niners have had one extra possession.... Touchback

    Hargrave (former Eagle) gets the second sack on Jones and Giants go 3 and out again....

    Niners start 4th drive from own 26... they have scored on 2 of their 3 drives thus far.

    Still no significant "lucky breaks" either team

    10 - 3  SF with 6 mins left

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Niners unable to make use of that sack near NYG goal line as they are backed up to their own 28 after a booming 60 yd punt.... Still no lucky breaks either team.... ....but Niners just take an unforced error penalty to eliminate at 3 and 3 down and now it is 3rd and 15 at their own 23.... moneyline down to SF - 330 Niners convert second 3rd and long......McCaffray off to another very good start, as expected....Niners driving deep -- all EARNED from their own 23......now down to Giants 10..... Rookie Ronnie Bell out of Michigan, makes first NFL catch.... TOUCHDOWN 49ers!    10 - 3 for the good guys!.........moneyline kicks up to -1100 ..... but Niners have had one extra possession.... Touchback

    Hargrave (former Eagle) gets the second sack on Jones and Giants go 3 and out again....

    Niners start 4th drive from own 26... they have scored on 2 of their 3 drives thus far.

    Still no significant "lucky breaks" either team

    10 - 3  SF with 6 mins left

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:18 PM ET #1409

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Niners start 4th drive from own 26... they have scored on 2 of their 3 drives thus far. Still no significant "lucky breaks" either team 10 - 3  SF with 6 mins left

    Moneyline rises up to -1400 as Mitchell and McCaffray look good for SF

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Niners start 4th drive from own 26... they have scored on 2 of their 3 drives thus far. Still no significant "lucky breaks" either team 10 - 3  SF with 6 mins left

    Moneyline rises up to -1400 as Mitchell and McCaffray look good for SF

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:22 PM ET #1410

    an_lightFirst lucky break of the day.....tipped ball results in another catch for rookie BELL!.....not a huge lucky break though, as Niners merely gained a first down and were driving well anyway, already at the NYG 33....

    moneyline now -2000

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    an_lightFirst lucky break of the day.....tipped ball results in another catch for rookie BELL!.....not a huge lucky break though, as Niners merely gained a first down and were driving well anyway, already at the NYG 33....

    moneyline now -2000

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:30 PM ET #1411

    Niners driving at will AGAIN, score rather easily......

     

    Niners have one extra possession so far, pending this NYG drive outcome....

    17 - 3   with 1:40 left...... Niners have all timeouts so they may get the ball back again!

     

    Moneyline rises to SF -4000 moneybag

     

    I will post key stats at HT.....

     

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    Niners driving at will AGAIN, score rather easily......

     

    Niners have one extra possession so far, pending this NYG drive outcome....

    17 - 3   with 1:40 left...... Niners have all timeouts so they may get the ball back again!

     

    Moneyline rises to SF -4000 moneybag

     

    I will post key stats at HT.....

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:37 PM ET #1412

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    17 - 3   with 1:40 left...... Niners have all timeouts so they may get the ball back again!   Moneyline rises to SF -4000   I will post key stats at HT.....

    Giants executing short passing attack well in final minute as Niner play prevent....

    an_lightThis NYG drive will even up the first half possessions so the HT stats will be a fair reflection

     

    .....and Gano hits a HUGE 57 yd fieldgoal .....wow!

     

    NYG only down  6 - 17 at HT

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    17 - 3   with 1:40 left...... Niners have all timeouts so they may get the ball back again!   Moneyline rises to SF -4000   I will post key stats at HT.....

    Giants executing short passing attack well in final minute as Niner play prevent....

    an_lightThis NYG drive will even up the first half possessions so the HT stats will be a fair reflection

     

    .....and Gano hits a HUGE 57 yd fieldgoal .....wow!

     

    NYG only down  6 - 17 at HT

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 9:53 PM ET #1413

    17 - 3 San Francisco an_2drinks

     

    Top rated NFL team, on homefield, vs low rated NYG team

    4 full drives each (kneel down doesn't count as a drive)

    SF  14 first downs, NYG only 5

    SF 242 yards,    NYG only 88

    SF 5.6 ypp,      NYG only 3.7

    Drives of 49+ yds: SF 3 vs. NYG 1

    No turnovers.
    One minor lucky break on a tipped ball reception for SF, though some might say that is offset by a 57 yd FG for NYG that resulted in pts....

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    17 - 3 San Francisco an_2drinks

     

    Top rated NFL team, on homefield, vs low rated NYG team

    4 full drives each (kneel down doesn't count as a drive)

    SF  14 first downs, NYG only 5

    SF 242 yards,    NYG only 88

    SF 5.6 ypp,      NYG only 3.7

    Drives of 49+ yds: SF 3 vs. NYG 1

    No turnovers.
    One minor lucky break on a tipped ball reception for SF, though some might say that is offset by a 57 yd FG for NYG that resulted in pts....

     
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    NYG opening drive halted , BUT they did accomplish to pin Niners down to their own 8.....so it was productive in regard to strategic field position... SF has to be careful not to phuckitallup here or this could flip to a 3 pt game quickly!!!

     

    It's not looking like SF will move the sticks..... GREAT for NYG....all earned!

    Moneyline drops to only -1600 on SF before the punt.....

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    NYG opening drive halted , BUT they did accomplish to pin Niners down to their own 8.....so it was productive in regard to strategic field position... SF has to be careful not to phuckitallup here or this could flip to a 3 pt game quickly!!!

     

    It's not looking like SF will move the sticks..... GREAT for NYG....all earned!

    Moneyline drops to only -1600 on SF before the punt.....

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 10:08 PM ET #1415

    an_lightBig LUCKY BREAK for NYG after unforced error on SF (questionable punt-catch interference call) so after 15 free yds  NYG get to begin drive at Frisco 37 surprised

     

    They are very likely to score something on this drive now thanks in large part to that break.... If a TD, then they likely cover the 10.5 pts.....

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    an_lightBig LUCKY BREAK for NYG after unforced error on SF (questionable punt-catch interference call) so after 15 free yds  NYG get to begin drive at Frisco 37 surprised

     

    They are very likely to score something on this drive now thanks in large part to that break.... If a TD, then they likely cover the 10.5 pts.....

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 10:12 PM ET #1416

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Big LUCKY BREAK for NYG after unforced error on SF (questionable punt-catch interference call) so after 15 free yds  NYG get to begin drive at Frisco 37   They are very likely to score something on this drive now thanks in large part to that break.... If a TD, then they likely cover the 10.5 pts.....

     

    an_light Then a HUGE 22 yd penalty for PI allows NYG to score a TD easily..... although they would have surely scored at least 3 from that fortunate field position

     

    SF 17 - 12  ....moneyline drops to -700

     

    At this point NYG do have one extra game drive for the stats (disregard the kneeldown to end 1H)

    Upcoming drive by SF will even up the drives for the game....

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Big LUCKY BREAK for NYG after unforced error on SF (questionable punt-catch interference call) so after 15 free yds  NYG get to begin drive at Frisco 37   They are very likely to score something on this drive now thanks in large part to that break.... If a TD, then they likely cover the 10.5 pts.....

     

    an_light Then a HUGE 22 yd penalty for PI allows NYG to score a TD easily..... although they would have surely scored at least 3 from that fortunate field position

     

    SF 17 - 12  ....moneyline drops to -700

     

    At this point NYG do have one extra game drive for the stats (disregard the kneeldown to end 1H)

    Upcoming drive by SF will even up the drives for the game....

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 10:18 PM ET #1417

    an_light LUCKY BREAK for niners on a failed 3rd down play (albeit in FGA range).....as they gain an unforced error for PI and now first down at the Giants 20

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    an_light LUCKY BREAK for niners on a failed 3rd down play (albeit in FGA range).....as they gain an unforced error for PI and now first down at the Giants 20

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    LUCKY BREAK for niners on a failed 3rd down play (albeit in FGA range).....as they gain an unforced error for PI and now first down at the Giants 20

    This Niners drive evens up the game drives at 6 apiece (disregard the kneeldown to end 1H)

    McCaffray having a GREAT game as expected!

    an_lightNiners squander a first and goal to only score 3....

    Drives even:  SF lead by 8  when it should be more....

     

    an_light10.5 or 10 pt road cover looks better for NYG backers....

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    LUCKY BREAK for niners on a failed 3rd down play (albeit in FGA range).....as they gain an unforced error for PI and now first down at the Giants 20

    This Niners drive evens up the game drives at 6 apiece (disregard the kneeldown to end 1H)

    McCaffray having a GREAT game as expected!

    an_lightNiners squander a first and goal to only score 3....

    Drives even:  SF lead by 8  when it should be more....

     

    an_light10.5 or 10 pt road cover looks better for NYG backers....

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 10:30 PM ET #1419

    Will post updated states to end 3rd Q.....but right now the Niners are increasing their stats....

     

     

    Moneyline now -1600  with 2:27 left in 3Q....4th down & 9 Giants....

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    Will post updated states to end 3rd Q.....but right now the Niners are increasing their stats....

     

     

    Moneyline now -1600  with 2:27 left in 3Q....4th down & 9 Giants....

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 10:44 PM ET #1420

    20 - 12 San Francisco and driving for another score

     

    Top rated NFL team, on homefield, vs low rated NYG team

    What was a 14 pt lead now down to just 8 pts!

    7 full drives each (kneel down doesn't count as a drive)

    SF 21 first downs, NYG only 8

    SF 353 yards, NYG only 127

    SF 5.9 ypp, NYG only 3.7

    Drives of 49+ yds: SF 5   vs. NYG 1

    No turnovers.
    One "significant lucky break" each

    Moneyline up to -3000 again!

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    20 - 12 San Francisco and driving for another score

     

    Top rated NFL team, on homefield, vs low rated NYG team

    What was a 14 pt lead now down to just 8 pts!

    7 full drives each (kneel down doesn't count as a drive)

    SF 21 first downs, NYG only 8

    SF 353 yards, NYG only 127

    SF 5.9 ypp, NYG only 3.7

    Drives of 49+ yds: SF 5   vs. NYG 1

    No turnovers.
    One "significant lucky break" each

    Moneyline up to -3000 again!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 10:52 PM ET #1421

    SF up 23 -12

     

    NYG 1st and 22 from own 13

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    SF up 23 -12

     

    NYG 1st and 22 from own 13

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 10:57 PM ET #1422

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Niners, a top NFL team ranked either #1 or #2, defeated Steelers by 21 and Rams by 7 - BOTH ON THE ROAD! - and importantly, both teams rated significantly higher than the NYG!   Meanwhile, NYG - when they played an equally high rated Dallas team, lost that 0 - 40 ON HOMEFIELD -- and that was WITH Saquan Barkley and a fully intact offensive line! Tonight: no Barkley, and the all important left side of the OL will be staffed by backups.   Now, on a short week to prepare, Giants must travel minus 3 offensive starters anda LB, to play a team rated at least as good as Dallas!  

     

    Ok, I'm sold SF  -570

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    Niners lead 23 - 12 (should be more) with 11 left in game.

    NYG have one extra drive in stats, but Niners completely dominating the play an_2drinks

    They win su if they don't turnover the ball twice.....

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Niners, a top NFL team ranked either #1 or #2, defeated Steelers by 21 and Rams by 7 - BOTH ON THE ROAD! - and importantly, both teams rated significantly higher than the NYG!   Meanwhile, NYG - when they played an equally high rated Dallas team, lost that 0 - 40 ON HOMEFIELD -- and that was WITH Saquan Barkley and a fully intact offensive line! Tonight: no Barkley, and the all important left side of the OL will be staffed by backups.   Now, on a short week to prepare, Giants must travel minus 3 offensive starters anda LB, to play a team rated at least as good as Dallas!  

     

    Ok, I'm sold SF  -570

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    I really hope YOU win that bet!  an_cheers

     

    Niners lead 23 - 12 (should be more) with 11 left in game.

    NYG have one extra drive in stats, but Niners completely dominating the play an_2drinks

    They win su if they don't turnover the ball twice.....

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:    Ok, I'm sold SF  -570

     

     

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    good writeup to make the case ya count me in too     

    niners -535

    lets get em tonite !

    Sure hope you win your bet.  Be pulling for ya! an_2drinks

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:    Ok, I'm sold SF  -570

     

     

    @fubah2      

    good writeup to make the case ya count me in too     

    niners -535

    lets get em tonite !

    Sure hope you win your bet.  Be pulling for ya! an_2drinks

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 11:13 PM ET #1424

    30 - 12  (should be more)

    ...but with 5 left at midfield, NYG can still make a cover very interesting!!!

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    30 - 12  (should be more)

    ...but with 5 left at midfield, NYG can still make a cover very interesting!!!

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    30 - 12  (should be more for SF) ...but with 5 left at midfield, NYG can still make a cover very interesting!!!

    LUCKY tipped ball INT goes to SF on 3rd & 17

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    30 - 12  (should be more for SF) ...but with 5 left at midfield, NYG can still make a cover very interesting!!!

    LUCKY tipped ball INT goes to SF on 3rd & 17

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