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    guyhopestowin
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 4:25 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    what you need to ask yourself is can you afford to lose the 3k....if you can do it but if you cant then dont start

    well said, dont do it if you will regret losing 3K
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    what you need to ask yourself is can you afford to lose the 3k....if you can do it but if you cant then dont start

    well said, dont do it if you will regret losing 3K
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 4:34 PM ET #52

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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 4:51 PM ET #53

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    anythings possible. saying you have to be profitable in every sport every year is just dumb. everyone has different methods that work for them. some specialize some use play all sports. what matters is THAT YOU MAKE ENOUGH TO LIVE. if you wanna be a 'pro' at it. if your a 52% player your chances of winning consecutive years is just as likley as losing consecutive years. not sure i see your point there
    obviously the magnitude of your losing vs winning years is hugley important. if you win 1 million one year and have two losing years of 250K back to back youve still make half mil in three years, more than most folks on the planet. anythings possible like i said, but to say you have to win every sport every year is just dumb imo. i know nothing about soccer and hockey so i dont invest in them. there are plenty of opportunities in nba and mlb for me to make or lose as much money as i desire.
    I do find it funny how much you write about how good you are and how little you offer insight or even just flat out picks. id offer you GL but you dont seem to need luck so i'll hold it all for myself and those that do need it
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    anythings possible. saying you have to be profitable in every sport every year is just dumb. everyone has different methods that work for them. some specialize some use play all sports. what matters is THAT YOU MAKE ENOUGH TO LIVE. if you wanna be a 'pro' at it. if your a 52% player your chances of winning consecutive years is just as likley as losing consecutive years. not sure i see your point there
    obviously the magnitude of your losing vs winning years is hugley important. if you win 1 million one year and have two losing years of 250K back to back youve still make half mil in three years, more than most folks on the planet. anythings possible like i said, but to say you have to win every sport every year is just dumb imo. i know nothing about soccer and hockey so i dont invest in them. there are plenty of opportunities in nba and mlb for me to make or lose as much money as i desire.
    I do find it funny how much you write about how good you are and how little you offer insight or even just flat out picks. id offer you GL but you dont seem to need luck so i'll hold it all for myself and those that do need it
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 6:33 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by monstergrit:

    itson1
    anythings possible. saying you have to be profitable in every sport every year is just dumb. everyone has different methods that work for them. some specialize some use play all sports. what matters is THAT YOU MAKE ENOUGH TO LIVE. if you wanna be a 'pro' at it. if your a 52% player your chances of winning consecutive years is just as likley as losing consecutive years. not sure i see your point there
    obviously the magnitude of your losing vs winning years is hugley important. if you win 1 million one year and have two losing years of 250K back to back youve still make half mil in three years, more than most folks on the planet. anythings possible like i said, but to say you have to win every sport every year is just dumb imo. i know nothing about soccer and hockey so i dont invest in them. there are plenty of opportunities in nba and mlb for me to make or lose as much money as i desire.
    I do find it funny how much you write about how good you are and how little you offer insight or even just flat out picks. id offer you GL but you dont seem to need luck so i'll hold it all for myself and those that do need it

    You have obviously never bet on sports professionally, or have never met anyone who has been doing it successfully for more than a few years.  I mean, REALLY making serious money, season after season, year after year.

    If you did?  We would not have to have this debate and you would understand what it is I am trying to say.  First, a person does NOT have to show you or TELL you ANYTHING about how they do something, just because they say they can.  So that means, I can tell you that I am making a million dollars a month, I do NOT have to tell you how, or even HINT at how I'm doing it, to confirm it.  They don't go hand and in hand.

    Also, I said the popular/major wagering sports (soccer can typically be included, but mostly...) nba, mlb, nhl, ncaab, ncaaf, nfl.  If you can't beat all of them?  You are avoiding the inevitable.  You think just because you were 52% the past THREE years, you're going to continue to be 52% the next three years?  NO.  If you think that?  Then you DON'T understand the odds of the game.  

    In order to make enough to live, you need to profit WAY more than you lose.  Other wise you'll be grinding and grinding making NOTHING and getting NO where.  

    Yeah, ANYTHING is possible, that is my point.  You need to make sure the POSSIBLE does not happen with your money and TEST your method for YEARS before risking any money on it.  Like I said, I tested my method for 10+ YEARS for before wagering any live money on it.  And since then?  I have been winning every season, every sport, every year for 5+ years.  Did that 10+ years guarantee that I would win for the next 5 years? NO.  Does my success over the past 5+ years, mean I will continue to have success over the next 5+ years? NO.

    Are my chances of continued success EXTREMELY higher than my chances of failure due to my ten years of testing?  YES.    That's all you can look for.  Putting the odds in your favor as MUCH as possible before taking any risks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by monstergrit:

    itson1
    anythings possible. saying you have to be profitable in every sport every year is just dumb. everyone has different methods that work for them. some specialize some use play all sports. what matters is THAT YOU MAKE ENOUGH TO LIVE. if you wanna be a 'pro' at it. if your a 52% player your chances of winning consecutive years is just as likley as losing consecutive years. not sure i see your point there
    obviously the magnitude of your losing vs winning years is hugley important. if you win 1 million one year and have two losing years of 250K back to back youve still make half mil in three years, more than most folks on the planet. anythings possible like i said, but to say you have to win every sport every year is just dumb imo. i know nothing about soccer and hockey so i dont invest in them. there are plenty of opportunities in nba and mlb for me to make or lose as much money as i desire.
    I do find it funny how much you write about how good you are and how little you offer insight or even just flat out picks. id offer you GL but you dont seem to need luck so i'll hold it all for myself and those that do need it

    You have obviously never bet on sports professionally, or have never met anyone who has been doing it successfully for more than a few years.  I mean, REALLY making serious money, season after season, year after year.

    If you did?  We would not have to have this debate and you would understand what it is I am trying to say.  First, a person does NOT have to show you or TELL you ANYTHING about how they do something, just because they say they can.  So that means, I can tell you that I am making a million dollars a month, I do NOT have to tell you how, or even HINT at how I'm doing it, to confirm it.  They don't go hand and in hand.

    Also, I said the popular/major wagering sports (soccer can typically be included, but mostly...) nba, mlb, nhl, ncaab, ncaaf, nfl.  If you can't beat all of them?  You are avoiding the inevitable.  You think just because you were 52% the past THREE years, you're going to continue to be 52% the next three years?  NO.  If you think that?  Then you DON'T understand the odds of the game.  

    In order to make enough to live, you need to profit WAY more than you lose.  Other wise you'll be grinding and grinding making NOTHING and getting NO where.  

    Yeah, ANYTHING is possible, that is my point.  You need to make sure the POSSIBLE does not happen with your money and TEST your method for YEARS before risking any money on it.  Like I said, I tested my method for 10+ YEARS for before wagering any live money on it.  And since then?  I have been winning every season, every sport, every year for 5+ years.  Did that 10+ years guarantee that I would win for the next 5 years? NO.  Does my success over the past 5+ years, mean I will continue to have success over the next 5+ years? NO.

    Are my chances of continued success EXTREMELY higher than my chances of failure due to my ten years of testing?  YES.    That's all you can look for.  Putting the odds in your favor as MUCH as possible before taking any risks.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 6:45 PM ET #55

    why would a serious bettor need to win in every sport. basketball offers much more data than a 16 game football season
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    why would a serious bettor need to win in every sport. basketball offers much more data than a 16 game football season
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 7:13 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by itsonnow1:


    You have obviously never bet on sports professionally, or have never met anyone who has been doing it successfully for more than a few years.  I mean, REALLY making serious money, season after season, year after year.

    If you did?  We would not have to have this debate and you would understand what it is I am trying to say.  First, a person does NOT have to show you or TELL you ANYTHING about how they do something, just because they say they can.  So that means, I can tell you that I am making a million dollars a month, I do NOT have to tell you how, or even HINT at how I'm doing it, to confirm it.  They don't go hand and in hand.

    Also, I said the popular/major wagering sports (soccer can typically be included, but mostly...) nba, mlb, nhl, ncaab, ncaaf, nfl.  If you can't beat all of them?  You are avoiding the inevitable.  You think just because you were 52% the past THREE years, you're going to continue to be 52% the next three years?  NO.  If you think that?  Then you DON'T understand the odds of the game.  

    In order to make enough to live, you need to profit WAY more than you lose.  Other wise you'll be grinding and grinding making NOTHING and getting NO where.  

    Yeah, ANYTHING is possible, that is my point.  You need to make sure the POSSIBLE does not happen with your money and TEST your method for YEARS before risking any money on it.  Like I said, I tested my method for 10+ YEARS for before wagering any live money on it.  And since then?  I have been winning every season, every sport, every year for 5+ years.  Did that 10+ years guarantee that I would win for the next 5 years? NO.  Does my success over the past 5+ years, mean I will continue to have success over the next 5+ years? NO.

    Are my chances of continued success EXTREMELY higher than my chances of failure due to my ten years of testing?  YES.    That's all you can look for.  Putting the odds in your favor as MUCH as possible before taking any risks.


    Dude put it rest please...... you sound like a typical newb like the rest of them...... congratulations on winning a couple of dopey wagers...... i remember the first time i started betting on sports too. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsonnow1:


    You have obviously never bet on sports professionally, or have never met anyone who has been doing it successfully for more than a few years.  I mean, REALLY making serious money, season after season, year after year.

    If you did?  We would not have to have this debate and you would understand what it is I am trying to say.  First, a person does NOT have to show you or TELL you ANYTHING about how they do something, just because they say they can.  So that means, I can tell you that I am making a million dollars a month, I do NOT have to tell you how, or even HINT at how I'm doing it, to confirm it.  They don't go hand and in hand.

    Also, I said the popular/major wagering sports (soccer can typically be included, but mostly...) nba, mlb, nhl, ncaab, ncaaf, nfl.  If you can't beat all of them?  You are avoiding the inevitable.  You think just because you were 52% the past THREE years, you're going to continue to be 52% the next three years?  NO.  If you think that?  Then you DON'T understand the odds of the game.  

    In order to make enough to live, you need to profit WAY more than you lose.  Other wise you'll be grinding and grinding making NOTHING and getting NO where.  

    Yeah, ANYTHING is possible, that is my point.  You need to make sure the POSSIBLE does not happen with your money and TEST your method for YEARS before risking any money on it.  Like I said, I tested my method for 10+ YEARS for before wagering any live money on it.  And since then?  I have been winning every season, every sport, every year for 5+ years.  Did that 10+ years guarantee that I would win for the next 5 years? NO.  Does my success over the past 5+ years, mean I will continue to have success over the next 5+ years? NO.

    Are my chances of continued success EXTREMELY higher than my chances of failure due to my ten years of testing?  YES.    That's all you can look for.  Putting the odds in your favor as MUCH as possible before taking any risks.


    Dude put it rest please...... you sound like a typical newb like the rest of them...... congratulations on winning a couple of dopey wagers...... i remember the first time i started betting on sports too. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 7:27 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by guyhopestowin:

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    i am not a hater, i spent many times for the last 5 years on betting, so you can say experienced or not, but there is NO WIN in this

    instead put your $3K on a stock, at least after some time, you may go +, or go less in -, not like gambling, next day you wont go 0

    even buying the worst stock is a better option than gambling imo
    This is arguably the dumbest thing you can read in this thread. Invest in a stock lol. I love how people think "investing" in a stock is smart and near genius but betting on sports makes you a degenerate. Wake up ...... it's the same god damn thing. And you pay the juice even more in markets. You can't make any real money without serious cake in the stock market..... go ahead with your measly 3K and buy some stocks..... lemme know how far you get for your 3K in a few years. 

    OP you already fecked up by playing 4 gmaes in one day on a 3K bankroll..... clearly you have no discipline which is ok..... 99% of these losers on this forum have none as well including me..... at least i'm not gonna sit here and try to act all mighty giving you some stupid azz advice. 

    You have 3K and no money coming in. MY advice..... pick your spots correctly. And bang out your bookie. You dont have a big enough bank roll to bet the usual 1,2,3, or even 5% of your bankroll typical money management bets..... it's just not gonna happen we all know that..... you'd slowly bleed your roll dry cuz your gonna put in like 9 bets a day..... its ok we've all done that stupid shiit. 

    Take a bone or maybe all 3 stacks...... research, study, confirm and pull the trigger. You go 1-0 you go up to 4K or maybe even double up to 6K......  you lose its ok. No big deal its only 3K..... it'll save you the stress of all the other bullshit little bets. 

    unless your super disciplined and you got some talent then you can make 1 or 2 bets MAX a day for 100-200 bucks and grind out big money OVER THE LONG RUN... will take you sometime.... possibly even years. 

    This is where the stock market and sports betting are the same. You make money in the long run in stocks if you're lucky. No one views sports betting as a long term investment cuz everyone is degen who chases and can't get used to the fact that its ok to have 6 losing days in a row. Anyway this last thing is a another topic for another day. 




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    smalltimeboy

    i am not a hater, i spent many times for the last 5 years on betting, so you can say experienced or not, but there is NO WIN in this

    instead put your $3K on a stock, at least after some time, you may go +, or go less in -, not like gambling, next day you wont go 0

    even buying the worst stock is a better option than gambling imo
    This is arguably the dumbest thing you can read in this thread. Invest in a stock lol. I love how people think "investing" in a stock is smart and near genius but betting on sports makes you a degenerate. Wake up ...... it's the same god damn thing. And you pay the juice even more in markets. You can't make any real money without serious cake in the stock market..... go ahead with your measly 3K and buy some stocks..... lemme know how far you get for your 3K in a few years. 

    OP you already fecked up by playing 4 gmaes in one day on a 3K bankroll..... clearly you have no discipline which is ok..... 99% of these losers on this forum have none as well including me..... at least i'm not gonna sit here and try to act all mighty giving you some stupid azz advice. 

    You have 3K and no money coming in. MY advice..... pick your spots correctly. And bang out your bookie. You dont have a big enough bank roll to bet the usual 1,2,3, or even 5% of your bankroll typical money management bets..... it's just not gonna happen we all know that..... you'd slowly bleed your roll dry cuz your gonna put in like 9 bets a day..... its ok we've all done that stupid shiit. 

    Take a bone or maybe all 3 stacks...... research, study, confirm and pull the trigger. You go 1-0 you go up to 4K or maybe even double up to 6K......  you lose its ok. No big deal its only 3K..... it'll save you the stress of all the other bullshit little bets. 

    unless your super disciplined and you got some talent then you can make 1 or 2 bets MAX a day for 100-200 bucks and grind out big money OVER THE LONG RUN... will take you sometime.... possibly even years. 

    This is where the stock market and sports betting are the same. You make money in the long run in stocks if you're lucky. No one views sports betting as a long term investment cuz everyone is degen who chases and can't get used to the fact that its ok to have 6 losing days in a row. Anyway this last thing is a another topic for another day. 




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    Dude put it rest please...... you sound like a typical newb like the rest of them...... congratulations on winning a couple of dopey wagers...... i remember the first time i started betting on sports too. 

    Please man, why even get involved in the conversation if you're not going to add in anything intelligent?  You are probably not even aware of what it is we're talking about.  We're debating about the best approach to sports betting, not about who makes what. I only mentioned what I do, to prove a point.

    You guys kill me with your ignorance.  

    I've been betting on sports for over 5 years.  I currently make more money than I guarantee you make in a whole year.  Please, step aside little man.  Thanks! :)


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    Dude put it rest please...... you sound like a typical newb like the rest of them...... congratulations on winning a couple of dopey wagers...... i remember the first time i started betting on sports too. 

    Please man, why even get involved in the conversation if you're not going to add in anything intelligent?  You are probably not even aware of what it is we're talking about.  We're debating about the best approach to sports betting, not about who makes what. I only mentioned what I do, to prove a point.

    You guys kill me with your ignorance.  

    I've been betting on sports for over 5 years.  I currently make more money than I guarantee you make in a whole year.  Please, step aside little man.  Thanks! :)


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pham1792:

    why would a serious bettor need to win in every sport. basketball offers much more data than a 16 game football season

    A serious bettor knows that if he is only winning a few seasons here or there, that he will only be avoiding the inevitable.  

    The ODDS.

    Ever hear about people playing "hit and run" at the casino?  Win $50, then leave?  Yeah, it will work for while, then it will FAIL.  Point is, in order to REALLY know if you can be successful, you need to GRIND it through ALL of the possible deviations of the math involved in the randomness of the game!

    How hard is that for you people to understand?

    Goodness, you guys are so ridiculously mathematically challenged.  No wonder you guys CONTINUE to lose.

    -_-
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    why would a serious bettor need to win in every sport. basketball offers much more data than a 16 game football season

    A serious bettor knows that if he is only winning a few seasons here or there, that he will only be avoiding the inevitable.  

    The ODDS.

    Ever hear about people playing "hit and run" at the casino?  Win $50, then leave?  Yeah, it will work for while, then it will FAIL.  Point is, in order to REALLY know if you can be successful, you need to GRIND it through ALL of the possible deviations of the math involved in the randomness of the game!

    How hard is that for you people to understand?

    Goodness, you guys are so ridiculously mathematically challenged.  No wonder you guys CONTINUE to lose.

    -_-
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    there is 1 percent of people that make money in this meaning can gamble and make a livelihood of it....my advice is don't do it....like the other gentleman said invest it or do something else with your life


    best advice ever.. only 1% of people are winning.. the rest are garbage... you cant beat vegas..or sportsbook.. invest in something else..I been in this sportsbook for 10 years.. and only recently 2 years ago i became a pro.. but my first 8 years.. i lost over 200k.. i only been getting back 57k in the last 2 years..
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    there is 1 percent of people that make money in this meaning can gamble and make a livelihood of it....my advice is don't do it....like the other gentleman said invest it or do something else with your life


    best advice ever.. only 1% of people are winning.. the rest are garbage... you cant beat vegas..or sportsbook.. invest in something else..I been in this sportsbook for 10 years.. and only recently 2 years ago i became a pro.. but my first 8 years.. i lost over 200k.. i only been getting back 57k in the last 2 years..
     
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    1000 reasons not too. Fcuk that. YOLO 
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsonnow1:


    A serious bettor knows that if he is only winning a few seasons here or there, that he will only be avoiding the inevitable.  

    The ODDS.

    Ever hear about people playing "hit and run" at the casino?  Win $50, then leave?  Yeah, it will work for while, then it will FAIL.  Point is, in order to REALLY know if you can be successful, you need to GRIND it through ALL of the possible deviations of the math involved in the randomness of the game!

    How hard is that for you people to understand?

    Goodness, you guys are so ridiculously mathematically challenged.  No wonder you guys CONTINUE to lose.

    -_-
    Spoken from a true loser I assume.  I don't mean you as a person, but as a gambler.  What you have said is absolutely assinine though.  While the "odds" as you say are against you in the casino.......Poker and sports gambling are on the bettor himself.   True, it can be a grind in either.  But untrue that you can only win a few seasons.  While I am self employed because I enjoy the work, I also could be considered a professional gambler.  Yes, you will undoubtably have losing weeks and even months.  But not years, for me anyways.  Anyways, good luck to all.  Just know it is possible.  
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    A serious bettor knows that if he is only winning a few seasons here or there, that he will only be avoiding the inevitable.  

    The ODDS.

    Ever hear about people playing "hit and run" at the casino?  Win $50, then leave?  Yeah, it will work for while, then it will FAIL.  Point is, in order to REALLY know if you can be successful, you need to GRIND it through ALL of the possible deviations of the math involved in the randomness of the game!

    How hard is that for you people to understand?

    Goodness, you guys are so ridiculously mathematically challenged.  No wonder you guys CONTINUE to lose.

    -_-
    Spoken from a true loser I assume.  I don't mean you as a person, but as a gambler.  What you have said is absolutely assinine though.  While the "odds" as you say are against you in the casino.......Poker and sports gambling are on the bettor himself.   True, it can be a grind in either.  But untrue that you can only win a few seasons.  While I am self employed because I enjoy the work, I also could be considered a professional gambler.  Yes, you will undoubtably have losing weeks and even months.  But not years, for me anyways.  Anyways, good luck to all.  Just know it is possible.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:

    Spoken from a true loser I assume.  I don't mean you as a person, but as a gambler.  What you have said is absolutely assinine though.  While the "odds" as you say are against you in the casino.......Poker and sports gambling are on the bettor himself.   True, it can be a grind in either.  But untrue that you can only win a few seasons.  While I am self employed because I enjoy the work, I also could be considered a professional gambler.  Yes, you will undoubtably have losing weeks and even months.  But not years, for me anyways.  Anyways, good luck to all.  Just know it is possible.  

    You obviously have not understood anything I said.  Nor have you read any of my posts in this debate.  That's the problem with ignorance, some people are not even aware of how ignorant they are.  

    I am a WINNING professional sports bettor.  I have been WINNING on paper for 10+ years, and then WINNING with actual money for 5+ years. I am sharing my experiences to give a heads up to the OP of this thread, or ANYONE thinking of jumping into sports betting with short sample tests, to reconsider their venture before risking their HARD earned money.

    Again, I have mentioned time and time before, ANYTHING is possible.  Yes.  That is MAIN reason why, just because you win a few seasons or a few years, that does NOT mean you will be able to beat odds that are HEAVILY against you with EACH and every bet you place.  I don't care what kind of research you have done.  The odds are against you with EVERY single wager you place.  The ONLY way to beat the odds is to have systematically found a way to REDUCE your chances of failure after YEARS and YEARS of testing!

    I repeat, YEARS and YEARS of testing.  If you don't understand how the odds can go from making you a winner for years and then a loser then following years, then you are too mathematically challenged to even THINK about sports betting or gambling!


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    Spoken from a true loser I assume.  I don't mean you as a person, but as a gambler.  What you have said is absolutely assinine though.  While the "odds" as you say are against you in the casino.......Poker and sports gambling are on the bettor himself.   True, it can be a grind in either.  But untrue that you can only win a few seasons.  While I am self employed because I enjoy the work, I also could be considered a professional gambler.  Yes, you will undoubtably have losing weeks and even months.  But not years, for me anyways.  Anyways, good luck to all.  Just know it is possible.  

    You obviously have not understood anything I said.  Nor have you read any of my posts in this debate.  That's the problem with ignorance, some people are not even aware of how ignorant they are.  

    I am a WINNING professional sports bettor.  I have been WINNING on paper for 10+ years, and then WINNING with actual money for 5+ years. I am sharing my experiences to give a heads up to the OP of this thread, or ANYONE thinking of jumping into sports betting with short sample tests, to reconsider their venture before risking their HARD earned money.

    Again, I have mentioned time and time before, ANYTHING is possible.  Yes.  That is MAIN reason why, just because you win a few seasons or a few years, that does NOT mean you will be able to beat odds that are HEAVILY against you with EACH and every bet you place.  I don't care what kind of research you have done.  The odds are against you with EVERY single wager you place.  The ONLY way to beat the odds is to have systematically found a way to REDUCE your chances of failure after YEARS and YEARS of testing!

    I repeat, YEARS and YEARS of testing.  If you don't understand how the odds can go from making you a winner for years and then a loser then following years, then you are too mathematically challenged to even THINK about sports betting or gambling!


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pham1792:

    why would a serious bettor need to win in every sport. basketball offers much more data than a 16 game football season

    Some people would prefer NFL because teams are trying to win each and every game.  In the NBA, most teams give subpar effort in at least 10 to 20 games a year.
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    why would a serious bettor need to win in every sport. basketball offers much more data than a 16 game football season

    Some people would prefer NFL because teams are trying to win each and every game.  In the NBA, most teams give subpar effort in at least 10 to 20 games a year.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsonnow1:


    You obviously have not understood anything I said.  Nor have you read any of my posts in this debate.  That's the problem with ignorance, some people are not even aware of how ignorant they are.  

    I am a WINNING professional sports bettor.  I have been WINNING on paper for 10+ years, and then WINNING with actual money for 5+ years. I am sharing my experiences to give a heads up to the OP of this thread, or ANYONE thinking of jumping into sports betting with short sample tests, to reconsider their venture before risking their HARD earned money.

    Again, I have mentioned time and time before, ANYTHING is possible.  Yes.  That is MAIN reason why, just because you win a few seasons or a few years, that does NOT mean you will be able to beat odds that are HEAVILY against you with EACH and every bet you place.  I don't care what kind of research you have done.  The odds are against you with EVERY single wager you place.  The ONLY way to beat the odds is to have systematically found a way to REDUCE your chances of failure after YEARS and YEARS of testing!

    I repeat, YEARS and YEARS of testing.  If you don't understand how the odds can go from making you a winner for years and then a loser then following years, then you are too mathematically challenged to even THINK about sports betting or gambling!


    paper? Lmfao.  Ya a little different when actual money is being laid, or your trying to climb out a a hole.  Anyways, there are many ways to win at sports gambling.  It generally does take years of losing before you figure out how to turn the tables....however.....You could always just find the worst gambler you know and fade all his picks.  This is a tried and true system for bad gamblers.  
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    You obviously have not understood anything I said.  Nor have you read any of my posts in this debate.  That's the problem with ignorance, some people are not even aware of how ignorant they are.  

    I am a WINNING professional sports bettor.  I have been WINNING on paper for 10+ years, and then WINNING with actual money for 5+ years. I am sharing my experiences to give a heads up to the OP of this thread, or ANYONE thinking of jumping into sports betting with short sample tests, to reconsider their venture before risking their HARD earned money.

    Again, I have mentioned time and time before, ANYTHING is possible.  Yes.  That is MAIN reason why, just because you win a few seasons or a few years, that does NOT mean you will be able to beat odds that are HEAVILY against you with EACH and every bet you place.  I don't care what kind of research you have done.  The odds are against you with EVERY single wager you place.  The ONLY way to beat the odds is to have systematically found a way to REDUCE your chances of failure after YEARS and YEARS of testing!

    I repeat, YEARS and YEARS of testing.  If you don't understand how the odds can go from making you a winner for years and then a loser then following years, then you are too mathematically challenged to even THINK about sports betting or gambling!


    paper? Lmfao.  Ya a little different when actual money is being laid, or your trying to climb out a a hole.  Anyways, there are many ways to win at sports gambling.  It generally does take years of losing before you figure out how to turn the tables....however.....You could always just find the worst gambler you know and fade all his picks.  This is a tried and true system for bad gamblers.  
     
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    P.S. You like anything tonight? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:

    paper? Lmfao.  Ya a little different when actual money is being laid, or your trying to climb out a a hole.  Anyways, there are many ways to win at sports gambling.  It generally does take years of losing before you figure out how to turn the tables....however.....You could always just find the worst gambler you know and fade all his picks.  This is a tried and true system for bad gamblers.  

    On paper. Yes. What smart investors do before risking actual money...test their theories or methods or strategies or systems on paper....making virtual bets before risking any money.

    It takes years of WINNING before a person should risk any real money.

    Fading the public or a "loser" will only get you 50/50 in the long run.

    Any one saying other wise?  Has not been doing it long enough to see that.


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    paper? Lmfao.  Ya a little different when actual money is being laid, or your trying to climb out a a hole.  Anyways, there are many ways to win at sports gambling.  It generally does take years of losing before you figure out how to turn the tables....however.....You could always just find the worst gambler you know and fade all his picks.  This is a tried and true system for bad gamblers.  

    On paper. Yes. What smart investors do before risking actual money...test their theories or methods or strategies or systems on paper....making virtual bets before risking any money.

    It takes years of WINNING before a person should risk any real money.

    Fading the public or a "loser" will only get you 50/50 in the long run.

    Any one saying other wise?  Has not been doing it long enough to see that.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:

    P.S. You like anything tonight? 

    No, my bet was going to be on the new york/sacramento game.

    I don't really share my picks.  I bet for a living and have a team.  
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    No, my bet was going to be on the new york/sacramento game.

    I don't really share my picks.  I bet for a living and have a team.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:

    P.S. You like anything tonight? 
    I see what you did there. 
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    I see what you did there. 
     
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    No -13 this is just a hunch, but i feel they could cover

    Wish you luck! Although with this mentality....I would quit while you are ahead.
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    Wish you luck! Although with this mentality....I would quit while you are ahead.
     
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    itsonnow1 is Jahlal 2.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    I see what you did there. 
    Good one eh Gene buddy
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    I see what you did there. 
    Good one eh Gene buddy
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsonnow1:


    On paper. Yes. What smart investors do before risking actual money...test their theories or methods or strategies or systems on paper....making virtual bets before risking any money.

    It takes years of WINNING before a person should risk any real money.

    Fading the public or a "loser" will only get you 50/50 in the long run.

    Any one saying other wise?  Has not been doing it long enough to see that.


    obviously you do not really know what the hell your talking about.  Playing with fake money? LMFAO .....ya I know lots of poker players who can play when no money is on the line.  Put even a grand of there own money in front of them and they can't even play a hand.  The only way to learn is to play....and lose if you must.  Learn from your losses and your wins.  
    Secondly, no loser I know goes 50/50.  They lay chalk constantly and hit max 40 %......max.  Now reverse that... Your at 60, and that my friend is dam good.  
    Thirdly, not surprised you have no play tonight. And never release picks.  I sometimes claim I have a 12 inch pee pee.
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    On paper. Yes. What smart investors do before risking actual money...test their theories or methods or strategies or systems on paper....making virtual bets before risking any money.

    It takes years of WINNING before a person should risk any real money.

    Fading the public or a "loser" will only get you 50/50 in the long run.

    Any one saying other wise?  Has not been doing it long enough to see that.


    obviously you do not really know what the hell your talking about.  Playing with fake money? LMFAO .....ya I know lots of poker players who can play when no money is on the line.  Put even a grand of there own money in front of them and they can't even play a hand.  The only way to learn is to play....and lose if you must.  Learn from your losses and your wins.  
    Secondly, no loser I know goes 50/50.  They lay chalk constantly and hit max 40 %......max.  Now reverse that... Your at 60, and that my friend is dam good.  
    Thirdly, not surprised you have no play tonight. And never release picks.  I sometimes claim I have a 12 inch pee pee.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:

    obviously you do not really know what the hell your talking about.  Playing with fake money? LMFAO .....ya I know lots of poker players who can play when no money is on the line.  Put even a grand of there own money in front of them and they can't even play a hand.  The only way to learn is to play....and lose if you must.  Learn from your losses and your wins.  
    Secondly, no loser I know goes 50/50.  They lay chalk constantly and hit max 40 %......max.  Now reverse that... Your at 60, and that my friend is dam good.  
    Thirdly, not surprised you have no play tonight. And never release picks.  I sometimes claim I have a 12 inch pee pee.

    I can't even have this conversation with you.  You are unbelievably mathematically challenged.  

    You are telling me you have never heard of someone testing their methods on PAPER....keeping a track record of wins and losses, before finally deciding whether or not they have something that works, before risking any money?  In stock trading or sports betting? WOW....you are a lost cause....


    That right there?  Says everything I need to know.  You are new to sports betting.  New to investing.  And have never made any real money in your life.

    You said no losing sports bettor goes 50/50?  LOL  Show me one example of a losing sports bettor that went 60/40 over 5 years.  I guarantee you, you will not be able to do so.    Even picking picks with a coin flip will go 50/50 over any real credible amount of time.  No matter how much it loses in the beginning, it will even out, that's how the odds of sports betting works.

    If you can't grasp the concept of testing your theory before eventually risking real money (which is what I did for many years before actually starting to risk real money) then this debate is fruitless.  Your ignorance will be a constant barrier and we will never be within the same realm of understanding.  

    Best wishes to you! :)
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    obviously you do not really know what the hell your talking about.  Playing with fake money? LMFAO .....ya I know lots of poker players who can play when no money is on the line.  Put even a grand of there own money in front of them and they can't even play a hand.  The only way to learn is to play....and lose if you must.  Learn from your losses and your wins.  
    Secondly, no loser I know goes 50/50.  They lay chalk constantly and hit max 40 %......max.  Now reverse that... Your at 60, and that my friend is dam good.  
    Thirdly, not surprised you have no play tonight. And never release picks.  I sometimes claim I have a 12 inch pee pee.

    I can't even have this conversation with you.  You are unbelievably mathematically challenged.  

    You are telling me you have never heard of someone testing their methods on PAPER....keeping a track record of wins and losses, before finally deciding whether or not they have something that works, before risking any money?  In stock trading or sports betting? WOW....you are a lost cause....


    That right there?  Says everything I need to know.  You are new to sports betting.  New to investing.  And have never made any real money in your life.

    You said no losing sports bettor goes 50/50?  LOL  Show me one example of a losing sports bettor that went 60/40 over 5 years.  I guarantee you, you will not be able to do so.    Even picking picks with a coin flip will go 50/50 over any real credible amount of time.  No matter how much it loses in the beginning, it will even out, that's how the odds of sports betting works.

    If you can't grasp the concept of testing your theory before eventually risking real money (which is what I did for many years before actually starting to risk real money) then this debate is fruitless.  Your ignorance will be a constant barrier and we will never be within the same realm of understanding.  

    Best wishes to you! :)
     
     
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    Man do you even know what you could do with that in the markets? Sad man even with 3k if you read up on options you could easily turn it into 20-25k in couple months..... best trading environment we will ever see next 18-24 months with the unraveling of QE in the states...... 


    that being said, if you are going to bet bc it seems like you're set on it take VT +4 and Auburn +2 tomorrow....

    GL man...

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    Man do you even know what you could do with that in the markets? Sad man even with 3k if you read up on options you could easily turn it into 20-25k in couple months..... best trading environment we will ever see next 18-24 months with the unraveling of QE in the states...... 


    that being said, if you are going to bet bc it seems like you're set on it take VT +4 and Auburn +2 tomorrow....

    GL man...

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