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    When Vegas puts out a line like this, ya gotta jump on it! Game 1 - Thunder @ Warriors. WRITE-UP

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    2016 record: 12-3

    This will likely be my last NBA play of the year unless something else incredibly attractive comes up. I love capping Rutgers/Minnesota games (injuries galore, massive losing streaks and sex tapes), not these very public playoff games.

    Having said that, as I've noted before, I LOVE Game 1 and Game 7 in a playoff series.

    Game 1 sets the tone (most of the time) and adjustments have not yet been made.

    Game 7 is for all the marbles and you get maximum effort from both teams (most of the time...Miami was shi* today).

    There are three reasons why I love this play:

    1. Revenge

    Yes, it's cliché. It's been said a million times. And still, it is no less true in certain situations. OKC should come into this game still extremely irked at how they lost the NBA Game of the Year to Golden State on national television on February 27th. A bone-headed foul by KD and one of the greatest OT shots in history did them in ( I capped that game and we still won by .5 pt with the 3.5).

    "But Scal, OKC had their revenge game on March 3rd and lost!"

    Let me say something about that spot. First, the initial loss to GS was incredibly deflating. Getting blown out motivates teams NOT losing extreme nailbiters.

    Look at OKC after Game 1 of Spurs series. I can posit that if the Spurs won that game by a mere 10, the OKC in subsequent games could have been very different. But getting destroyed the way they did sparked something deep within them.

    So the revenge spot for OKC vs. GS on March 3rd was watered down. OKC was on a weird 4 game road trip going to Sacto, then the Clippers, then Golden State and finally Milwaukee of all places.

    PLUS, and this should not be overlooked, it was on a B2B for OKC. The Warriors were rested and trying to tie the all-time 44th straight home win that night which they did.

    That game also meant a lot to the Warriors to send a message their first win was no fluke (which in a sense, it was). It meant so much after beating them twice it looks like they partied a little too hard because after that game they suffered one of the biggest regular season upsets ever to the Lakers. 

    So the West Coast road trip, no rest, and the Warriors going for a record number of home wins, along with sending a message really put OKC in a very tough spot.

    True revenge for OKC for the Game of the Year loss comes in Game 1 tonight!

    Now for the second reason...

    2. Game 1 of the Spurs series.

    The Thunder were brutalized in Game 1 losing by 32. The way the Spurs walked all over them, it could have been a 50 pt loss.

    OKC left it all on the floor the next game and took it down (minus the conversation about the inbounding controversy).

    The point is, they played their best basketball of the year in that series after Game 1 and it's not even close to compare any stretch to it during the regular season. They then had to be the ones to do the brutalizing in Game 6 and hold off a furious comeback to win the series.

    That Game 1 put them in a ridiculously deep hole and I simply can't see them allowing that hole to be redug against a more dangerous Golden State team with a nonchalant loss here and a "Well we only need one of two on their court attitude" post game press conference comment.

    If they want to win this series (and there is a possibility they could and you can't say that anyone in the NBA except the Spurs?/OKC/Cavs right now), I believe they have to treat this Game 1 as a must-win.

    Throw the kitchen sink at them and then some, especially off revenge and especially without allowing Kerr to make adjustments (which he will do in every subsequent game like every good coach).

    Which leads to the final point...

    3. The line

    It's rare but this is a lazy line.

    Vegas does not know what to do with this line. Traditionally, during the regular season when a good team at home is playing a middling team, the line is set at 7. It's an industry standard.

    OKC is no middling team folks. This is the PEAK OKC. And are the Warriors peak Golden State right now? I wouldn't say so. Curry is involved with that statement obviously but going down 16-2 in Game 4? Yes they won but still...16-2???...

    Having to struggle to put away a very game Blazer team who could have thrown in the towel like the Pelicans last year in the final game but still got within 7.5 themselves in Game 5 with a 132-125 final. That game is typically the 'beat them behind the woodshed game' for the home team where the confetti falls. No confetti fell until the buzzer in that one. The Blazers came to play.

    Do you want to know what the line was on March 3rd in Golden State in the 'revenge game' (that wasn't really the true revenge game as noted)?

    +7.5 OKC....just like tonight.

    Again, that's against OKC who was coming off a B2B, with the Warriors trying to set a home winning streak record, with OKC traveling on a West Coast trip, and (and this is key), an OKC team coming into that game having lost 5 of 7.

    You had a low confidence, befuddled OKC team struggling to find it's identity vs. this team getting the same amount of points that is PEAK OKC, PEAK KD and PEAK West (with a sprinkle of mini-peak Steven Adams playing his best ball).

    And you get the SAME line WITH all the Western Conference Finals playoff intensity too?

    That folks, is a lazy line.

    Why is it lazy? Because Vegas doesn't always have all the answers.

    And +7.5 is not chump change folks. Games end on 4 and 7 in the NBA because of late fouling and free throws. That's why these lines of 4/4.5 and 7/7.5 are more prevalent than others. And We get .5 over 7 in a game OKC should be going all out to win.

    Enough said!

     

    The pick:

    OKC +7.5 over Warriors

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    2016 record: 12-3

    This will likely be my last NBA play of the year unless something else incredibly attractive comes up. I love capping Rutgers/Minnesota games (injuries galore, massive losing streaks and sex tapes), not these very public playoff games.

    Having said that, as I've noted before, I LOVE Game 1 and Game 7 in a playoff series.

    Game 1 sets the tone (most of the time) and adjustments have not yet been made.

    Game 7 is for all the marbles and you get maximum effort from both teams (most of the time...Miami was shi* today).

    There are three reasons why I love this play:

    1. Revenge

    Yes, it's cliché. It's been said a million times. And still, it is no less true in certain situations. OKC should come into this game still extremely irked at how they lost the NBA Game of the Year to Golden State on national television on February 27th. A bone-headed foul by KD and one of the greatest OT shots in history did them in ( I capped that game and we still won by .5 pt with the 3.5).

    "But Scal, OKC had their revenge game on March 3rd and lost!"

    Let me say something about that spot. First, the initial loss to GS was incredibly deflating. Getting blown out motivates teams NOT losing extreme nailbiters.

    Look at OKC after Game 1 of Spurs series. I can posit that if the Spurs won that game by a mere 10, the OKC in subsequent games could have been very different. But getting destroyed the way they did sparked something deep within them.

    So the revenge spot for OKC vs. GS on March 3rd was watered down. OKC was on a weird 4 game road trip going to Sacto, then the Clippers, then Golden State and finally Milwaukee of all places.

    PLUS, and this should not be overlooked, it was on a B2B for OKC. The Warriors were rested and trying to tie the all-time 44th straight home win that night which they did.

    That game also meant a lot to the Warriors to send a message their first win was no fluke (which in a sense, it was). It meant so much after beating them twice it looks like they partied a little too hard because after that game they suffered one of the biggest regular season upsets ever to the Lakers. 

    So the West Coast road trip, no rest, and the Warriors going for a record number of home wins, along with sending a message really put OKC in a very tough spot.

    True revenge for OKC for the Game of the Year loss comes in Game 1 tonight!

    Now for the second reason...

    2. Game 1 of the Spurs series.

    The Thunder were brutalized in Game 1 losing by 32. The way the Spurs walked all over them, it could have been a 50 pt loss.

    OKC left it all on the floor the next game and took it down (minus the conversation about the inbounding controversy).

    The point is, they played their best basketball of the year in that series after Game 1 and it's not even close to compare any stretch to it during the regular season. They then had to be the ones to do the brutalizing in Game 6 and hold off a furious comeback to win the series.

    That Game 1 put them in a ridiculously deep hole and I simply can't see them allowing that hole to be redug against a more dangerous Golden State team with a nonchalant loss here and a "Well we only need one of two on their court attitude" post game press conference comment.

    If they want to win this series (and there is a possibility they could and you can't say that anyone in the NBA except the Spurs?/OKC/Cavs right now), I believe they have to treat this Game 1 as a must-win.

    Throw the kitchen sink at them and then some, especially off revenge and especially without allowing Kerr to make adjustments (which he will do in every subsequent game like every good coach).

    Which leads to the final point...

    3. The line

    It's rare but this is a lazy line.

    Vegas does not know what to do with this line. Traditionally, during the regular season when a good team at home is playing a middling team, the line is set at 7. It's an industry standard.

    OKC is no middling team folks. This is the PEAK OKC. And are the Warriors peak Golden State right now? I wouldn't say so. Curry is involved with that statement obviously but going down 16-2 in Game 4? Yes they won but still...16-2???...

    Having to struggle to put away a very game Blazer team who could have thrown in the towel like the Pelicans last year in the final game but still got within 7.5 themselves in Game 5 with a 132-125 final. That game is typically the 'beat them behind the woodshed game' for the home team where the confetti falls. No confetti fell until the buzzer in that one. The Blazers came to play.

    Do you want to know what the line was on March 3rd in Golden State in the 'revenge game' (that wasn't really the true revenge game as noted)?

    +7.5 OKC....just like tonight.

    Again, that's against OKC who was coming off a B2B, with the Warriors trying to set a home winning streak record, with OKC traveling on a West Coast trip, and (and this is key), an OKC team coming into that game having lost 5 of 7.

    You had a low confidence, befuddled OKC team struggling to find it's identity vs. this team getting the same amount of points that is PEAK OKC, PEAK KD and PEAK West (with a sprinkle of mini-peak Steven Adams playing his best ball).

    And you get the SAME line WITH all the Western Conference Finals playoff intensity too?

    That folks, is a lazy line.

    Why is it lazy? Because Vegas doesn't always have all the answers.

    And +7.5 is not chump change folks. Games end on 4 and 7 in the NBA because of late fouling and free throws. That's why these lines of 4/4.5 and 7/7.5 are more prevalent than others. And We get .5 over 7 in a game OKC should be going all out to win.

    Enough said!

     

    The pick:

    OKC +7.5 over Warriors

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 12:34 AM ET #2

    Thanks for the detailed write-up, Scal. I, too, was wondering why Vegas threw a +7.5 on OKC after the 3-game performance they've had against the Spurs. They've made a 180 with their gameplay.

    Just curious--you don't find the Cleveland/Toronto series to be of interest?
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    Thanks for the detailed write-up, Scal. I, too, was wondering why Vegas threw a +7.5 on OKC after the 3-game performance they've had against the Spurs. They've made a 180 with their gameplay.

    Just curious--you don't find the Cleveland/Toronto series to be of interest?
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 12:45 AM ET #3

    Great write up But it's hard to go against gsw at home. Will probaby stay away from this game.
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    Great write up But it's hard to go against gsw at home. Will probaby stay away from this game.
     
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    Great write up But it's hard to go against gsw at home. Will probaby stay away from this game.
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    Great write up But it's hard to go against gsw at home. Will probaby stay away from this game.
     
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    BOL, Scal!

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    Great Review.. Something you forgot to mention was OKC lead at the Half the last 2 games. Also lead coming in to the 4th quarter in the last two games.......At the time OKC couldnt close in the 4th Quarter I remember ESPN saying how they were the worst team with a leading, going into the 4th quarter... After the Spurs series I KNOW we are not dealing with the same team..
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    Great Review.. Something you forgot to mention was OKC lead at the Half the last 2 games. Also lead coming in to the 4th quarter in the last two games.......At the time OKC couldnt close in the 4th Quarter I remember ESPN saying how they were the worst team with a leading, going into the 4th quarter... After the Spurs series I KNOW we are not dealing with the same team..
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 1:24 AM ET #7

    I like the play. Public will jump all over GSW at anything under double digits and OKC is still underrated because people just think the Spurs lost because they're old. OKC has been hot, Steven Adams has added a dimension to that squad they hadn't had and they'll go toe to toe with GSW in this first game.

    Only negative is OKC off a blowout win, teams that score that much don't usually pour it in the same rate next game. So I might consider taking the Under.
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    I like the play. Public will jump all over GSW at anything under double digits and OKC is still underrated because people just think the Spurs lost because they're old. OKC has been hot, Steven Adams has added a dimension to that squad they hadn't had and they'll go toe to toe with GSW in this first game.

    Only negative is OKC off a blowout win, teams that score that much don't usually pour it in the same rate next game. So I might consider taking the Under.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 1:53 AM ET #8

    Soon to be 12-4 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sergyfro:

    Soon to be 12-4 
      

    And your reasoning is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sergyfro:

    Soon to be 12-4 
      

    And your reasoning is?
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 2:09 AM ET #10

    Very hard to beat a good team 4 straight times. I can't find a flaw in your logic. I think the Warriors lose one of the first two, and it could be this one. As a fan, I want the Warriors to sweep, but I think this series goes the distance. 
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    Very hard to beat a good team 4 straight times. I can't find a flaw in your logic. I think the Warriors lose one of the first two, and it could be this one. As a fan, I want the Warriors to sweep, but I think this series goes the distance. 
     
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    Interested read as usual...don't want to hijack thread with raptors cavs matchup but I capped the raptors cavs game 1 with similar points with the Warriors thunder game 1. I see more value with raptors +10.5 due to joe public expecting a blowout from the Cavs
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    Interested read as usual...don't want to hijack thread with raptors cavs matchup but I capped the raptors cavs game 1 with similar points with the Warriors thunder game 1. I see more value with raptors +10.5 due to joe public expecting a blowout from the Cavs
     
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    Wondering if we snag OKC tonight at +7.5 or if the line will go up, say 8 to 8.5?

    Thinking the public might love GS on anything under 10 theory as Scal says, Can't imagine waking up to a -6.5
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    Wondering if we snag OKC tonight at +7.5 or if the line will go up, say 8 to 8.5?

    Thinking the public might love GS on anything under 10 theory as Scal says, Can't imagine waking up to a -6.5
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:

    Wondering if we snag OKC tonight at +7.5 or if the line will go up, say 8 to 8.5?

    Thinking the public might love GS on anything under 10 theory as Scal says, Can't imagine waking up to a -6.5

    The public is almost split on the spread 45-55% Not sure if the line will move at all....that being said...I personally feel as a capping tool I rarely see value or wager on a game where books can profit on the juice alone with a split...I see more value with the raptors 80-20% public hammering the cavs.  plus your getting +10.5 with the raptors 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:

    Wondering if we snag OKC tonight at +7.5 or if the line will go up, say 8 to 8.5?

    Thinking the public might love GS on anything under 10 theory as Scal says, Can't imagine waking up to a -6.5

    The public is almost split on the spread 45-55% Not sure if the line will move at all....that being said...I personally feel as a capping tool I rarely see value or wager on a game where books can profit on the juice alone with a split...I see more value with the raptors 80-20% public hammering the cavs.  plus your getting +10.5 with the raptors 
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 2:45 AM ET #14

    I've seen some lines drop from 8 to 7 or 7.5 to 7. I'll be at the game tomorrow and Warriors getting that many points especially after an impressive win over spurs is crazy. I'll take warriors -7
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    I've seen some lines drop from 8 to 7 or 7.5 to 7. I'll be at the game tomorrow and Warriors getting that many points especially after an impressive win over spurs is crazy. I'll take warriors -7
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 2:48 AM ET #15

    GS wins..but I'm not sure if they'll cover…most likely they will….
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    GS wins..but I'm not sure if they'll cover…most likely they will….
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsw408:

    I've seen some lines drop from 8 to 7 or 7.5 to 7. I'll be at the game tomorrow and Warriors getting that many points especially after an impressive win over spurs is crazy. I'll take warriors -7


    You mean the Warriors giving that many points after that OKC beatdown of the Spurs is crazy? So you'll be taking the Warriors -7 as you see the line should be much lower so Vegas is telling you something, GS will win big? So you're on the Warriors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsw408:

    I've seen some lines drop from 8 to 7 or 7.5 to 7. I'll be at the game tomorrow and Warriors getting that many points especially after an impressive win over spurs is crazy. I'll take warriors -7


    You mean the Warriors giving that many points after that OKC beatdown of the Spurs is crazy? So you'll be taking the Warriors -7 as you see the line should be much lower so Vegas is telling you something, GS will win big? So you're on the Warriors.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:



    You mean the Warriors giving that many points after that OKC beatdown of the Spurs is crazy? So you'll be taking the Warriors -7 as you see the line should be much lower so Vegas is telling you something, GS will win big? So you're on the Warriors.



    Also, You're going to the game, your handle is GSW something or another, you probably needed to be disqualified from an objective opinion, lol

    Have fun at the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:



    You mean the Warriors giving that many points after that OKC beatdown of the Spurs is crazy? So you'll be taking the Warriors -7 as you see the line should be much lower so Vegas is telling you something, GS will win big? So you're on the Warriors.



    Also, You're going to the game, your handle is GSW something or another, you probably needed to be disqualified from an objective opinion, lol

    Have fun at the game.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 2:54 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Unstoppable Force:

    GS wins..but I'm not sure if they'll cover…most likely they will….



    I like Scals write up though too, it makes sense. If OKC has any chance, they need to get after it in game one. I've bet against GS only a hand full of time, mostly had my arse handing to me. Had to remind myself, quite possibly, best team every. Then you add prime time to it and lookout. Still thinking it over. GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unstoppable Force:

    GS wins..but I'm not sure if they'll cover…most likely they will….



    I like Scals write up though too, it makes sense. If OKC has any chance, they need to get after it in game one. I've bet against GS only a hand full of time, mostly had my arse handing to me. Had to remind myself, quite possibly, best team every. Then you add prime time to it and lookout. Still thinking it over. GL
     
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    Only because you said GOY, also curry is not 100%
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    Posted: May. 16, 2016 - 3:13 AM ET #20

    https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/stephen-curry-injured-knee-not-improved/304677

    Steph's knee is no better and that has to be a concern if you are laying big wood on GS, in my opinion.
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    https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/stephen-curry-injured-knee-not-improved/304677

    Steph's knee is no better and that has to be a concern if you are laying big wood on GS, in my opinion.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFNfootballnerd:

    Interested read as usual...don't want to hijack thread with raptors cavs matchup but I capped the raptors cavs game 1 with similar points with the Warriors thunder game 1. I see more value with raptors +10.5 due to joe public expecting a blowout from the Cavs

    But 71% of the public is on the Craptors? 
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    Interested read as usual...don't want to hijack thread with raptors cavs matchup but I capped the raptors cavs game 1 with similar points with the Warriors thunder game 1. I see more value with raptors +10.5 due to joe public expecting a blowout from the Cavs

    But 71% of the public is on the Craptors? 
     
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    Good luck sir  

    Pakalolo sweet 


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    Pakalolo sweet 


     
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    Stop being something your not make your pick and leave your book summary somewhere else scal the clown you probably still live with your parents in the attic lol wannabe
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainandseven:

    Stop being something your not make your pick and leave your book summary somewhere else scal the clown you probably still live with your parents in the attic lol wannabe

     

    Dude, Scal is a LEGEND here on covers so GTFO or STFU!!!...your choice. Don't ever come in here dissin someone who has contributed so much to so many of us as Scal has!

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    Stop being something your not make your pick and leave your book summary somewhere else scal the clown you probably still live with your parents in the attic lol wannabe

     

    Dude, Scal is a LEGEND here on covers so GTFO or STFU!!!...your choice. Don't ever come in here dissin someone who has contributed so much to so many of us as Scal has!

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattataus:

     

    Dude, Scal is a LEGEND here on covers so GTFO or STFU!!!...your choice. Don't ever come in here dissin someone who has contributed so much to so many of us as Scal has!


    Scal is a legend.
    Stop with your white boy 1990 ghetto wanna be comments.

    The write up is nice but to say Vegas doesn't know what to do, and it is a lazy line removes all credibility. Even from Scal, I expected more.

    Other than that, he has a nice write up, and makes some sense and wish him best of luck. 

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    Dude, Scal is a LEGEND here on covers so GTFO or STFU!!!...your choice. Don't ever come in here dissin someone who has contributed so much to so many of us as Scal has!


    Scal is a legend.
    Stop with your white boy 1990 ghetto wanna be comments.

    The write up is nice but to say Vegas doesn't know what to do, and it is a lazy line removes all credibility. Even from Scal, I expected more.

    Other than that, he has a nice write up, and makes some sense and wish him best of luck. 

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