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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 4:15 AM ET #251


    Bells Vs. Pops

    The Serbo-Croatian War arises naturally,
    and turns up in US Professional Sports.

    Belichick is Croatian.
    Popovich is Serbian.

    Bill Belichick is a 5 time Champion (NFL)
    Gregg Popovich is a 5 time Champion (NBA)

    Bill Belichick has a Navy background.
    Gregg Popovich has an Air Force background.

    Bill Belichick players play all games, even when injured.
    Gregg Popovich sits out healthy players from big games.

    Bill Belichick is friends with and voted for Pres. Trump.
    Gregg Popovich publicly criticizes Pres. Trump as dumb.

    Bill Belichick is from Nashville, & now in New England.
    Popovich's from East Chicago, now the Lone Star State.

    Bill Belichick and Gregg Popovich spurn each other.
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    Bells Vs. Pops

    The Serbo-Croatian War arises naturally,
    and turns up in US Professional Sports.

    Belichick is Croatian.
    Popovich is Serbian.

    Bill Belichick is a 5 time Champion (NFL)
    Gregg Popovich is a 5 time Champion (NBA)

    Bill Belichick has a Navy background.
    Gregg Popovich has an Air Force background.

    Bill Belichick players play all games, even when injured.
    Gregg Popovich sits out healthy players from big games.

    Bill Belichick is friends with and voted for Pres. Trump.
    Gregg Popovich publicly criticizes Pres. Trump as dumb.

    Bill Belichick is from Nashville, & now in New England.
    Popovich's from East Chicago, now the Lone Star State.

    Bill Belichick and Gregg Popovich spurn each other.
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 9:53 AM ET #252

    Tues
    Fav-W's:
    Cubs, LAD, Wash, Col, ARZ, NYM, ATL
    Clev, Hou, Bos, Tor
    Road-dog-W's:
    KC, Minn, LAA & MIA
    = 11-4 fav's — today, Wed., script flips to a dog-day

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    Tues
    Fav-W's:
    Cubs, LAD, Wash, Col, ARZ, NYM, ATL
    Clev, Hou, Bos, Tor
    Road-dog-W's:
    KC, Minn, LAA & MIA
    = 11-4 fav's — today, Wed., script flips to a dog-day

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 10:03 AM ET #253

    NFL Refs go practising
    judging dance routines
    •Dancing w/ The Stars•
    Will show 1 to 10 cards
    for each NFL TD-Party!

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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 7:02 PM ET #254

    ERA, of course, but the next 3 most relevant #'s:
    WHIP, flys-to/ground-ball, pure quality starts.

    WHIP is the total of walks and hits per inning pitched.
    An idea as to how many “opportunities” a pitcher usu.
    gives the other team.

    Pitch count & efficiency, both of which can be far more
    important than ERA.  Under 1.20 for a WHIP is hard to
    bet against, as it means the pitcher is allowing 1.2 base
    runners per inning.  Anything over 1.40 is where we bet
    on the opponent, or that starter needs great bullpen help.

    Fly-bal-to-ground-ball ratio matters because the pitcher
    with a low frequency of fly-ball outs is far more likely
    to induce a rally-killing double play ball.  This is very
    good if the game's in Coors Field (Col) or Great
    American (Cinci), very small, hitter-friendly parks.

    The opposite also holds.  Take Phil Hughes, who is a
    bet against the Twins when they're in an AL park that
    is small & hitter-friendly, like Cleveland, Houston,
    and Texas so know the ball park.

    Must start to look for spots to also fade some starters:
    (minimum of 80 batted-ball events)
    Tanaka, NYY (much higher walk-rate),
    Nolasco, LAA (8.3% barrels/PA, top 25 avg. exit velo)
    and Holland, CWS (ERA/xFIP split disparity)
    especially against lineups with good #'s against these
    starters. 

    Robbie Ray 46.9% BABIP, higher ERA, but low xFIP
    teams w/ low K's win, high K-ratio teams will lose.

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    ERA, of course, but the next 3 most relevant #'s:
    WHIP, flys-to/ground-ball, pure quality starts.

    WHIP is the total of walks and hits per inning pitched.
    An idea as to how many “opportunities” a pitcher usu.
    gives the other team.

    Pitch count & efficiency, both of which can be far more
    important than ERA.  Under 1.20 for a WHIP is hard to
    bet against, as it means the pitcher is allowing 1.2 base
    runners per inning.  Anything over 1.40 is where we bet
    on the opponent, or that starter needs great bullpen help.

    Fly-bal-to-ground-ball ratio matters because the pitcher
    with a low frequency of fly-ball outs is far more likely
    to induce a rally-killing double play ball.  This is very
    good if the game's in Coors Field (Col) or Great
    American (Cinci), very small, hitter-friendly parks.

    The opposite also holds.  Take Phil Hughes, who is a
    bet against the Twins when they're in an AL park that
    is small & hitter-friendly, like Cleveland, Houston,
    and Texas so know the ball park.

    Must start to look for spots to also fade some starters:
    (minimum of 80 batted-ball events)
    Tanaka, NYY (much higher walk-rate),
    Nolasco, LAA (8.3% barrels/PA, top 25 avg. exit velo)
    and Holland, CWS (ERA/xFIP split disparity)
    especially against lineups with good #'s against these
    starters. 

    Robbie Ray 46.9% BABIP, higher ERA, but low xFIP
    teams w/ low K's win, high K-ratio teams will lose.

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 8:38 PM ET #255

    3 keys for O/Us

    Firstly, consider the MLB park factors.

    Simply tiered, we have Coors field, Chase field,
    Camden Yards, Miller Park = great hitter’s parks,
    vs. AT&T stadium, Dodger Stadium, Petco Park,
    Safeco field, Citi Park = extreme pitcher’s parks.

    Other parks change each year, for various reasons.
    Park factors relate directly to the home team’s
    strengths & weaknesses.

    E.g., Barry Bonds huge PED-HR years had a huge
    skewing effect on AT&T Park's factors.  It'd been
    known to be hard to hit HRs towards right field,
    but most of Bonds’ blasts went to right field.

    Progressive field of The Tribe has suddenly become
    a much more extreme hitter-friendly park, partly b/c
    the renovations done to it opened up a crosswind to
    right field that has resulted in many more homeruns.

    The park factors given on ESPN are misleading b/c
    some have no reputation of being an extreme park.

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    3 keys for O/Us

    Firstly, consider the MLB park factors.

    Simply tiered, we have Coors field, Chase field,
    Camden Yards, Miller Park = great hitter’s parks,
    vs. AT&T stadium, Dodger Stadium, Petco Park,
    Safeco field, Citi Park = extreme pitcher’s parks.

    Other parks change each year, for various reasons.
    Park factors relate directly to the home team’s
    strengths & weaknesses.

    E.g., Barry Bonds huge PED-HR years had a huge
    skewing effect on AT&T Park's factors.  It'd been
    known to be hard to hit HRs towards right field,
    but most of Bonds’ blasts went to right field.

    Progressive field of The Tribe has suddenly become
    a much more extreme hitter-friendly park, partly b/c
    the renovations done to it opened up a crosswind to
    right field that has resulted in many more homeruns.

    The park factors given on ESPN are misleading b/c
    some have no reputation of being an extreme park.

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 8:41 PM ET #256

    2ndly, contact rate, usually judged by strikeout rate.
    Pitchers can be good, but not strike out batters, but
    it’s very valuable to prevent even the possibility to
    allow a batter to get on base.  With strikeout rate,
    one must consider walk rate.  Again, a pitcher can
    get away with walking batters to an extent, but
    putting on baserunners is problematic.  A high walk
    rate is fine so long as it’s paired w/ a high strikeout
    rate (e.g., Carlos Martinez), but a high walk rate (=
    control issues) without a high swing&miss rate is
    not good for under FF & usu. not ok for FG, too.

    But if a pitcher has both a high strikeout rate, and
    a low walk rate, that means they are limiting runs.

    Clayton Kershaw has good batted ball numbers,
    but they aren’t among the best in baseball.
    What makes Kershaw one of the best of pitchers
    in baseball is his ability to limit walks, and strike
    out a ton of batters.  Generally, I will also look at

    FIP & xFIP give more depth to an analysis, but a
    good idea of what a pitchers FIP/xFIP look like
    comes from their walk rate & strikeout rate.
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    2ndly, contact rate, usually judged by strikeout rate.
    Pitchers can be good, but not strike out batters, but
    it’s very valuable to prevent even the possibility to
    allow a batter to get on base.  With strikeout rate,
    one must consider walk rate.  Again, a pitcher can
    get away with walking batters to an extent, but
    putting on baserunners is problematic.  A high walk
    rate is fine so long as it’s paired w/ a high strikeout
    rate (e.g., Carlos Martinez), but a high walk rate (=
    control issues) without a high swing&miss rate is
    not good for under FF & usu. not ok for FG, too.

    But if a pitcher has both a high strikeout rate, and
    a low walk rate, that means they are limiting runs.

    Clayton Kershaw has good batted ball numbers,
    but they aren’t among the best in baseball.
    What makes Kershaw one of the best of pitchers
    in baseball is his ability to limit walks, and strike
    out a ton of batters.  Generally, I will also look at

    FIP & xFIP give more depth to an analysis, but a
    good idea of what a pitchers FIP/xFIP look like
    comes from their walk rate & strikeout rate.
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 8:44 PM ET #257

    3rdly, batted ball numbers, e.g., BABIP which has
    very low correlation from year to year, but that
    doesn’t make it a completely random number.
    A pitcher who allows a lot of line drives is going
    to have a higher BABIP than a pitcher who allows
    an inordinate # of groundballs, b/c line drives turn
    into hits more often than groundballs.

    Chris Young has had a long rather ordinary career at
    the back-end of pitcher-rotations in which he was in.
    But his ERA has outperformed his FIP every single
    year of his career, and his BABIP has been above the
    league average of .300 just one time. So Young is
    doing things to outperform his FIP so consistently,
    such as limiting line drives, and hitters barreling up
    his tosses for hard hit balls. In his career, Young
    has allowed a line drive percentage of just 18.5%,
    way better than the league average of 22-23%.
    Line drives go for hits over 2/3s of the time, so they
    are by far the best hit.  
    Young also has a very low hard hit ball rate.
    Hard hit balls are also very important to keep low,
    b/c they often turn into homers. Young has a career
    hard hit ball rate of only 16.6%, which is also way
    better than the league average that is around 20%.

    Fangraphs has created a stat SIERA that accounts
    for batted ball data.  It's a useful stat, tho' does not
    have any long history, but SIERA becomes more
    effective to judge pitchers all-around performance.

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    3rdly, batted ball numbers, e.g., BABIP which has
    very low correlation from year to year, but that
    doesn’t make it a completely random number.
    A pitcher who allows a lot of line drives is going
    to have a higher BABIP than a pitcher who allows
    an inordinate # of groundballs, b/c line drives turn
    into hits more often than groundballs.

    Chris Young has had a long rather ordinary career at
    the back-end of pitcher-rotations in which he was in.
    But his ERA has outperformed his FIP every single
    year of his career, and his BABIP has been above the
    league average of .300 just one time. So Young is
    doing things to outperform his FIP so consistently,
    such as limiting line drives, and hitters barreling up
    his tosses for hard hit balls. In his career, Young
    has allowed a line drive percentage of just 18.5%,
    way better than the league average of 22-23%.
    Line drives go for hits over 2/3s of the time, so they
    are by far the best hit.  
    Young also has a very low hard hit ball rate.
    Hard hit balls are also very important to keep low,
    b/c they often turn into homers. Young has a career
    hard hit ball rate of only 16.6%, which is also way
    better than the league average that is around 20%.

    Fangraphs has created a stat SIERA that accounts
    for batted ball data.  It's a useful stat, tho' does not
    have any long history, but SIERA becomes more
    effective to judge pitchers all-around performance.

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 8:49 PM ET #258

    If in the previous game a starter gets pulled within
    the first 3 innings, a mgr. may be more desperate to
    have his starter throw as many innings as possible.
    One of the most important jobs of a manager is to
    keep his bullpen fresh, but if they were made to
    pitch 6 innings the previous game, less will be
    available to pitch the next day.  This can lead the
    starter to be forced to stay in longer than ideal,
    typically resulting in an extra run or two.
     
    While managers are generally good at working
    around this problem, if a team has a very bad
    week from their starting pitchers, then it gets
    more difficult to ensure fresh bullpen arms.
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    If in the previous game a starter gets pulled within
    the first 3 innings, a mgr. may be more desperate to
    have his starter throw as many innings as possible.
    One of the most important jobs of a manager is to
    keep his bullpen fresh, but if they were made to
    pitch 6 innings the previous game, less will be
    available to pitch the next day.  This can lead the
    starter to be forced to stay in longer than ideal,
    typically resulting in an extra run or two.
     
    While managers are generally good at working
    around this problem, if a team has a very bad
    week from their starting pitchers, then it gets
    more difficult to ensure fresh bullpen arms.
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 8:57 PM ET #259

    In the past, there was a lot of value that could be
    extracted from simple lefty/righty splits, but that
    is becoming less & less the case.  Most teams
    now have some sort of super utility-player who
    can platoon w/ different positions to ensure that
    these splits will mean less. Teams are also much
    more likely to platoon in positions where they are
    lacking a very good player at that position.  

    The Indians platoon their right fielder: Chisenhall
    or Guyer will get tinto the lineup depending on
    the starter being a leftie or a rightie.

    How strong an offense really is can be garnered
    from simply looking at the
    team wRC+,
    or WOBA,
    or both = stats encompassing a view to seeing the
    true value each potential play a hitter can produce.



    While offense of course affects how many runs will
    be scored, run prevention is usu. more important
    a factor to consider when betting totals in the MLB.
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    In the past, there was a lot of value that could be
    extracted from simple lefty/righty splits, but that
    is becoming less & less the case.  Most teams
    now have some sort of super utility-player who
    can platoon w/ different positions to ensure that
    these splits will mean less. Teams are also much
    more likely to platoon in positions where they are
    lacking a very good player at that position.  

    The Indians platoon their right fielder: Chisenhall
    or Guyer will get tinto the lineup depending on
    the starter being a leftie or a rightie.

    How strong an offense really is can be garnered
    from simply looking at the
    team wRC+,
    or WOBA,
    or both = stats encompassing a view to seeing the
    true value each potential play a hitter can produce.



    While offense of course affects how many runs will
    be scored, run prevention is usu. more important
    a factor to consider when betting totals in the MLB.
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 7:32 AM ET #260

    Ottawa is 0-5 in Game 7's.

    Pens ML (-192)
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    Ottawa is 0-5 in Game 7's.

    Pens ML (-192)
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 12:45 PM ET #261

    Quote Originally Posted by Pendo:


    Must start to look for spots to also fade some starters:
    (minimum of 80 batted-ball events)
    Tanaka, NYY (much higher walk-rate),
    Nolasco, LAA (8.3% barrels/PA, top 25 avg. exit velo)
    ==>
    yes sir, he got bombed =
    IP 6;  Hits 7;  Earned Runs 5; K's 6; BB 2; HR 3;
    Pitches 98;  P/IP 16.3;  G/F 0.50

    and Holland, CWS (ERA/xFIP split disparity)
    especially against lineups with good #'s against these
    starters. 

    Robbie Ray 46.9% BABIP, higher ERA, but low xFIP
    teams w/ low K's win, high K-ratio teams will lose.

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    Must start to look for spots to also fade some starters:
    (minimum of 80 batted-ball events)
    Tanaka, NYY (much higher walk-rate),
    Nolasco, LAA (8.3% barrels/PA, top 25 avg. exit velo)
    ==>
    yes sir, he got bombed =
    IP 6;  Hits 7;  Earned Runs 5; K's 6; BB 2; HR 3;
    Pitches 98;  P/IP 16.3;  G/F 0.50

    and Holland, CWS (ERA/xFIP split disparity)
    especially against lineups with good #'s against these
    starters. 

    Robbie Ray 46.9% BABIP, higher ERA, but low xFIP
    teams w/ low K's win, high K-ratio teams will lose.

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 12:47 PM ET #262

    oh, and Nolasco lost
    both FF & FG.

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    both FF & FG.

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 1:07 PM ET #263

    Substitute picher,
    3 unders in a row
    TB's Andriese getting over 6 runs of support
    = OVER 9

    Also, TB on the RL

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    Substitute picher,
    3 unders in a row
    TB's Andriese getting over 6 runs of support
    = OVER 9

    Also, TB on the RL

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 1:11 PM ET #264

    saw that tampa too.

    But it's either/or in a Parlay
    i.e., one cannot parlay RL + Total

    Took TB (-130) & over 9

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    saw that tampa too.

    But it's either/or in a Parlay
    i.e., one cannot parlay RL + Total

    Took TB (-130) & over 9

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 2:42 PM ET #265

    Pitcher starts in his former teams ball park
    => they almost always lose
    and his team is 0-4 this year on Thursdays
    while his former team is 4-0 on Thursdays.

    That's Cub (-113)
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    Pitcher starts in his former teams ball park
    => they almost always lose
    and his team is 0-4 this year on Thursdays
    while his former team is 4-0 on Thursdays.

    That's Cub (-113)
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 6:58 PM ET #266

    Cubbies and Tampa Bay
    = $ today
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 9:01 PM ET #267

    The Celts, tying the Wiz for the best home record in the East,
    are sure not that good at home in Playoff basketball...
    They don't have a true leader
    (Isaiah Thomas is out, but he still gives up as much
    or even more as dah Bulls have shown as he scores
    - so he's no answer to bad home-court playoff b-ball)
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    The Celts, tying the Wiz for the best home record in the East,
    are sure not that good at home in Playoff basketball...
    They don't have a true leader
    (Isaiah Thomas is out, but he still gives up as much
    or even more as dah Bulls have shown as he scores
    - so he's no answer to bad home-court playoff b-ball)
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 10:42 PM ET #268

    Sir Charles Barkley on TNT at the Half,
    again defies the networks, the sponsors
    and any and all comers w/ the Plain Truth:
    "I'm going back to the hotel room and watch
    the hockey game - it's tied up one to one y'all !"

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    Sir Charles Barkley on TNT at the Half,
    again defies the networks, the sponsors
    and any and all comers w/ the Plain Truth:
    "I'm going back to the hotel room and watch
    the hockey game - it's tied up one to one y'all !"

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 10:48 PM ET #269

    ^^^ And as Sir Charles, the Emmy Award winner,
    correctly identifies that the NBA as a whole has
    become just that uninteresting & boring while it
    has devolved into a league without any parity.

    Nobody cares to see even a Lecester City F.C
    take on an amateur of high school team...


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    ^^^ And as Sir Charles, the Emmy Award winner,
    correctly identifies that the NBA as a whole has
    become just that uninteresting & boring while it
    has devolved into a league without any parity.

    Nobody cares to see even a Lecester City F.C
    take on an amateur of high school team...


     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2017 - 2:05 AM ET #270

    The Refs unfair treatment handed the Pens the win
    and took it fron the Sens.

    The NHL controls its Refs just like
    the NFL.

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    The Refs unfair treatment handed the Pens the win
    and took it fron the Sens.

    The NHL controls its Refs just like
    the NFL.

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 9:47 AM ET #271

    Hockey is relatively whistle-free compared to sports like american football
    (that only has 13.5 minutes of actual playing time to begin with = BORING
    and Touch-football / Flag-football Rules today = super boring, especially as
    compared to Hockey's Hits - that many, many times draw blood !!) & b-ball.
     

    Occasional stoppages occur, but the game flows more freely
    and also has far fewer commercial breaks —
    allowing average games to end in only 2 hours & 20 minutes.

    That’s the second-fastest among the 4 major sports, only 5 minutes longer
    than an avg NBA game - despite b-ball having 12 fewer minutes of action.

    There are an average of 81 stoppages in an NHL game,
    with "icing" and "offsides" = the most common culprits.

    Knowing infractions allows for appreciating hockey, so get familiar w/ both:
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    Hockey is relatively whistle-free compared to sports like american football
    (that only has 13.5 minutes of actual playing time to begin with = BORING
    and Touch-football / Flag-football Rules today = super boring, especially as
    compared to Hockey's Hits - that many, many times draw blood !!) & b-ball.
     

    Occasional stoppages occur, but the game flows more freely
    and also has far fewer commercial breaks —
    allowing average games to end in only 2 hours & 20 minutes.

    That’s the second-fastest among the 4 major sports, only 5 minutes longer
    than an avg NBA game - despite b-ball having 12 fewer minutes of action.

    There are an average of 81 stoppages in an NHL game,
    with "icing" and "offsides" = the most common culprits.

    Knowing infractions allows for appreciating hockey, so get familiar w/ both:
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 9:51 AM ET #272

    Icing

    The rule prevents teams from shooting the puck all the way down ice
    to waste time while protecting a lead:  It would disrupt the flow of the
    game, & watching a team shoot the puck all the way down the length
    of the ice repeatedly would get tiresome quickly.

    So in 1937 the NHL implemented the icing rule.

    According to the NHL rulebook, a player is not allowed to,
    “shoot, bat or deflect the puck from his own
    half of the ice beyond the goal line of the opposing team.”

    That means a player must cross the red centerline before dumping the
    puck into the offensive zone.
    When the puck is hit across the rink, it counts as icing only if the defending
    team gets to the puck first.
    If a player on the team that iced the puck wins the race down the rink,
    no icing is called.

    Players used to have to race all the way to the puck, but in 2013-14 season
    the NHL adopted, “hybrid icing,”
    which means the players only race to the defensive zone faceoff dots.

    If icing is called, the puck returns to the offending team’s zone for a faceoff
    and the offending team must keep the same players on the ice => so this
    punishes players who ice the puck to catch their breath during a long shift.

    “If you’re caught out there tired, that’s your punishment,” said the Las Vegas
    Golden Knights Senior Vice President Murray Craven, an 18-year NHL veteran.
    "The biggest advantage though," Craven said, "is being able to put whatever
    players the team wants on the ice
    in order to exploit the tired players who committed the icing."

    “You get to catch a line that’s out there tired, and you put your top-line out
    there against them,” Craven said. “That’s where you can get a real advantage
    and create scoring opportunities.”

    The major exception to the rule is when a team is shorthanded.
    When one team is on a power play, the penalized team is allowed to ice the
    puck without stopping play.

    The referee can also waive icing if he determines a defensive player could
    have reached the puck before it crossed the goal line.
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    The rule prevents teams from shooting the puck all the way down ice
    to waste time while protecting a lead:  It would disrupt the flow of the
    game, & watching a team shoot the puck all the way down the length
    of the ice repeatedly would get tiresome quickly.

    So in 1937 the NHL implemented the icing rule.

    According to the NHL rulebook, a player is not allowed to,
    “shoot, bat or deflect the puck from his own
    half of the ice beyond the goal line of the opposing team.”

    That means a player must cross the red centerline before dumping the
    puck into the offensive zone.
    When the puck is hit across the rink, it counts as icing only if the defending
    team gets to the puck first.
    If a player on the team that iced the puck wins the race down the rink,
    no icing is called.

    Players used to have to race all the way to the puck, but in 2013-14 season
    the NHL adopted, “hybrid icing,”
    which means the players only race to the defensive zone faceoff dots.

    If icing is called, the puck returns to the offending team’s zone for a faceoff
    and the offending team must keep the same players on the ice => so this
    punishes players who ice the puck to catch their breath during a long shift.

    “If you’re caught out there tired, that’s your punishment,” said the Las Vegas
    Golden Knights Senior Vice President Murray Craven, an 18-year NHL veteran.
    "The biggest advantage though," Craven said, "is being able to put whatever
    players the team wants on the ice
    in order to exploit the tired players who committed the icing."

    “You get to catch a line that’s out there tired, and you put your top-line out
    there against them,” Craven said. “That’s where you can get a real advantage
    and create scoring opportunities.”

    The major exception to the rule is when a team is shorthanded.
    When one team is on a power play, the penalized team is allowed to ice the
    puck without stopping play.

    The referee can also waive icing if he determines a defensive player could
    have reached the puck before it crossed the goal line.
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 9:58 AM ET #273

    Offsides

    The goal of every hockey team, obviously, is to put the puck in the net,
    but 1st the puck has to enter the offensive zone.

    Hockey is the offense trying to get the puck in their offensive zone —
    and keep it there as long as possible — while the defense tries to get it out.

    Players are not allowed to cross the blue line into their offensive-zone
    until the puck does.
    This is why players will commonly skate along the blue line,
    w/ 1 skate in & 1 skate out, until the puck crosses the blue line.
    A player is called offsides if both skates cross into the zone before the puck.
    Once the puck enters the zone, players can enter the offensive zone.

    If the defense gets the puck out of the zone, every offensive player must
    clear out of the zone before bringing the puck back in = to avoid offsides.

    Sometimes players will mistime their entry into the zone — skating slightly
    ahead of the puck — and get whistled for offsides.
    Other times, a player will fail to keep the puck inside the offensive-zone,
    letting the puck cross over the blue line.

    Whenever offsides is called, the following faceoff takes place
    at the nearest neutral-zone faceoff dot.


    There is an exception to a player hetting called offsides if both skates cross
    into the zone before the puck.  Once the puck enters the zone, players can
    enter the offensive zone if a player controls the puck (think of a player
    skating backwards while completely controlling the puck across the blue line),
    and the puck enters the offensive-zone after the player's skates
    in which case 'offsides' is whistled off.
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    Offsides

    The goal of every hockey team, obviously, is to put the puck in the net,
    but 1st the puck has to enter the offensive zone.

    Hockey is the offense trying to get the puck in their offensive zone —
    and keep it there as long as possible — while the defense tries to get it out.

    Players are not allowed to cross the blue line into their offensive-zone
    until the puck does.
    This is why players will commonly skate along the blue line,
    w/ 1 skate in & 1 skate out, until the puck crosses the blue line.
    A player is called offsides if both skates cross into the zone before the puck.
    Once the puck enters the zone, players can enter the offensive zone.

    If the defense gets the puck out of the zone, every offensive player must
    clear out of the zone before bringing the puck back in = to avoid offsides.

    Sometimes players will mistime their entry into the zone — skating slightly
    ahead of the puck — and get whistled for offsides.
    Other times, a player will fail to keep the puck inside the offensive-zone,
    letting the puck cross over the blue line.

    Whenever offsides is called, the following faceoff takes place
    at the nearest neutral-zone faceoff dot.


    There is an exception to a player hetting called offsides if both skates cross
    into the zone before the puck.  Once the puck enters the zone, players can
    enter the offensive zone if a player controls the puck (think of a player
    skating backwards while completely controlling the puck across the blue line),
    and the puck enters the offensive-zone after the player's skates
    in which case 'offsides' is whistled off.
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 12:12 PM ET #275

    WS Champs 2017
    ? Cubs
    ? Rest of field

    MLB-Champions don't repeat.
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    MLB-Champions don't repeat.
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