I really hate to keep doing this to you Mr. Johnson, BUT, you really need to get your FACTS straight so I don't have to...
First off, I'll break down 3 of the Celtics bench players you mentioned that get "considerable action", averaging "at least 12-15 minutes per game" that I bolded above...
Cassell - Played in ONLY 4 of 6 Conference Finals games, averaged
ONLY 6:26 per game
Davis - Played in ONLY 3 of 6 Conference Finals games, averaged
ONLY 3:57 per game
Powe - Played in ONLY 4 of 6 Conference Finals games, averaged
ONLY 3:06 per game
Ok, so I just proved your "12-15 minutes per game" was complete BULLSHIT! Next, the Laker you failed to mention (who I mentioned) was Turiaf, he played in EVERY game of the Conference Finals and averaged 10:20 per game, MORE than ALL 3 of the Celtics players you listed with "considerable action". ![]()
So, as I break it down it seems you had this thing completely opposite...
You said Boston goes 9-10 deep when they CLEARLY go just 7-8 deep AND you mentioned the Lakers go just 7-8 deep when they CLEARLY go 9 (Vujacic, Farmar, Walton, and Turiaf played EVERY game of the Conference Finals) and sometimes 10 deep (with Ariza or Mbenga).
So, who has the bench advantage? Have I cleared this up for you?![]()
I really hate to keep doing this to you Mr. Johnson, BUT, you really need to get your FACTS straight so I don't have to...
First off, I'll break down 3 of the Celtics bench players you mentioned that get "considerable action", averaging "at least 12-15 minutes per game" that I bolded above...
Cassell - Played in ONLY 4 of 6 Conference Finals games, averaged
ONLY 6:26 per game
Davis - Played in ONLY 3 of 6 Conference Finals games, averaged
ONLY 3:57 per game
Powe - Played in ONLY 4 of 6 Conference Finals games, averaged
ONLY 3:06 per game
Ok, so I just proved your "12-15 minutes per game" was complete BULLSHIT! Next, the Laker you failed to mention (who I mentioned) was Turiaf, he played in EVERY game of the Conference Finals and averaged 10:20 per game, MORE than ALL 3 of the Celtics players you listed with "considerable action". ![]()
So, as I break it down it seems you had this thing completely opposite...
You said Boston goes 9-10 deep when they CLEARLY go just 7-8 deep AND you mentioned the Lakers go just 7-8 deep when they CLEARLY go 9 (Vujacic, Farmar, Walton, and Turiaf played EVERY game of the Conference Finals) and sometimes 10 deep (with Ariza or Mbenga).
So, who has the bench advantage? Have I cleared this up for you?![]()
what the hell are u talking about?? this is the best the lakers have gone since shaq was traded...there are guys on the Celts with a ton of playoff experiance but they're old...there is no "playoff experiance" card you can play here unless your talking about the coaches...kobe has won some titles but it was a long time ago.
what the hell are u talking about?? this is the best the lakers have gone since shaq was traded...there are guys on the Celts with a ton of playoff experiance but they're old...there is no "playoff experiance" card you can play here unless your talking about the coaches...kobe has won some titles but it was a long time ago.
The point was, the Lakers are a TOTALLY/COMPLETELY/ENTIRELY different team than they were when they played the Celtics in the regular season. First meeting, Bynum had not emerged YET. Second meeting the Lakers fucked up and went out in the 1st half with those stupid "short-shorts" for the 1st half. Kobe was way off in those "short-shorts" as he was 6-25 from the field including 0-6 on 3's. Kobe shooting 28% from the field doesn't happen too often. On top of that, Odom 6-17 from the field as well. Bynum never really got into the game as he was in foul trouble very early before eventually fouling out, he ended up just 2-2 from the field. So, like I said, TOTALLY different team. Those mentions of the regular season meetings are completely useless.
yeah....and LBJ shooting like 25% over an entire series was very common for him too....Pat Riley has even said himself one of the most painful situations he's been through seeing a player leave his team was James Posey...you have any idea why?? Lebron James does....just watch him against Kobe this series....you'll see how an incredible defender can change the game....Posey's high school coach was quoted today in a Boston paper.." he's the greatest defensive player i've ever seen...period"....you think Posey may have spent some time guarding Kobe in their 2 losses to Boston??? Kobe will not shoot over 42% for this entire series.
The point was, the Lakers are a TOTALLY/COMPLETELY/ENTIRELY different team than they were when they played the Celtics in the regular season. First meeting, Bynum had not emerged YET. Second meeting the Lakers fucked up and went out in the 1st half with those stupid "short-shorts" for the 1st half. Kobe was way off in those "short-shorts" as he was 6-25 from the field including 0-6 on 3's. Kobe shooting 28% from the field doesn't happen too often. On top of that, Odom 6-17 from the field as well. Bynum never really got into the game as he was in foul trouble very early before eventually fouling out, he ended up just 2-2 from the field. So, like I said, TOTALLY different team. Those mentions of the regular season meetings are completely useless.
yeah....and LBJ shooting like 25% over an entire series was very common for him too....Pat Riley has even said himself one of the most painful situations he's been through seeing a player leave his team was James Posey...you have any idea why?? Lebron James does....just watch him against Kobe this series....you'll see how an incredible defender can change the game....Posey's high school coach was quoted today in a Boston paper.." he's the greatest defensive player i've ever seen...period"....you think Posey may have spent some time guarding Kobe in their 2 losses to Boston??? Kobe will not shoot over 42% for this entire series.
what the hell are u talking about?? this is the best the lakers have gone since shaq was traded...there are guys on the Celts with a ton of playoff experiance but they're old...there is no "playoff experiance" card you can play here unless your talking about the coaches...kobe has won some titles but it was a long time ago.
what the hell are u talking about?? this is the best the lakers have gone since shaq was traded...there are guys on the Celts with a ton of playoff experiance but they're old...there is no "playoff experiance" card you can play here unless your talking about the coaches...kobe has won some titles but it was a long time ago.
what the hell are u talking about?? this is the best the lakers have gone since shaq was traded...there are guys on the Celts with a ton of playoff experiance but they're old...there is no "playoff experiance" card you can play here unless your talking about the coaches...kobe has won some titles but it was a long time ago.
A "ton" of playoff experience? Hmmm, KG made it to the Western Finals once, right? What else? Did Ray Allen ever make it past the first round? Maybe once? I'm not sure, but, I don't see a "ton" of playoff experience. And I don't think you can factor in Cassel, can you? I mean he only played in 4 of 6 Conference Finals games and plays just 6 minutes a game, right? He's pretty much irrelevant, isn't he? So, where's the "ton" of playoff experience?
I'd almost be willing to bet Kobe has played in more playoff games by himself than the combination of KG/Pierce/Allen. Then you can factor in all the games Fisher has played too. Then when it comes to playoff experience between coaches there's no need for discussion there.
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what the hell are u talking about?? this is the best the lakers have gone since shaq was traded...there are guys on the Celts with a ton of playoff experiance but they're old...there is no "playoff experiance" card you can play here unless your talking about the coaches...kobe has won some titles but it was a long time ago.
A "ton" of playoff experience? Hmmm, KG made it to the Western Finals once, right? What else? Did Ray Allen ever make it past the first round? Maybe once? I'm not sure, but, I don't see a "ton" of playoff experience. And I don't think you can factor in Cassel, can you? I mean he only played in 4 of 6 Conference Finals games and plays just 6 minutes a game, right? He's pretty much irrelevant, isn't he? So, where's the "ton" of playoff experience?
I'd almost be willing to bet Kobe has played in more playoff games by himself than the combination of KG/Pierce/Allen. Then you can factor in all the games Fisher has played too. Then when it comes to playoff experience between coaches there's no need for discussion there.
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Look at the matchups here: Fisher or Rondo I'll take Fisher.
Gasol or Perkins I'll take Gasol
Bryant or Allen I'll take Bryant
Pierce or Rod manovich or how ever you spell it I'll give you pierce.
Odom or K G I'll give you K G
And then Lakers bench or boston's bench: close one here but I'll take the lakers bench. All I'm saying is that this is a hard matchup for Boston. GL with whatever you do.
Look at the matchups here: Fisher or Rondo I'll take Fisher.
Gasol or Perkins I'll take Gasol
Bryant or Allen I'll take Bryant
Pierce or Rod manovich or how ever you spell it I'll give you pierce.
Odom or K G I'll give you K G
And then Lakers bench or boston's bench: close one here but I'll take the lakers bench. All I'm saying is that this is a hard matchup for Boston. GL with whatever you do.
I agree for the most part, but some of this is a little iffy.
I see you're from Texas...please tell me how the Spurs were "the best team in the league"? Defending champs? Yes. Best team in the league? Certainly not.
I do agree though that the 2 paths these teams have taken to get this far have not even been close. The Celtics stuggled to beat 2 hapless teams in 7 games, not winning a single time on the road, and then picked up their game moderately in the last series to beat a banged-up Pistons team in 6.
The Lakers, on the other hand, swept a shitty team, beat the best homecourt team in the NBA (and IMO the 2nd best team in the NBA) in 6, and then the defending champs in 5.
The Lakers have the best player in the game today, the biggest coaching advantage of any series I can remember (except maybe last year when it was Popovich versus Mike Brown, which is just as bad), and the debateable point, but a true point imo, of the best bench in the league.
The only people in these threads appear to be Lakers or Celtics fans. For anyone whose goal is making money, and doesn't care who wins this thing, the line seems pretty fair based on what we've seen in these playoffs...
I agree for the most part, but some of this is a little iffy.
I see you're from Texas...please tell me how the Spurs were "the best team in the league"? Defending champs? Yes. Best team in the league? Certainly not.
I do agree though that the 2 paths these teams have taken to get this far have not even been close. The Celtics stuggled to beat 2 hapless teams in 7 games, not winning a single time on the road, and then picked up their game moderately in the last series to beat a banged-up Pistons team in 6.
The Lakers, on the other hand, swept a shitty team, beat the best homecourt team in the NBA (and IMO the 2nd best team in the NBA) in 6, and then the defending champs in 5.
The Lakers have the best player in the game today, the biggest coaching advantage of any series I can remember (except maybe last year when it was Popovich versus Mike Brown, which is just as bad), and the debateable point, but a true point imo, of the best bench in the league.
The only people in these threads appear to be Lakers or Celtics fans. For anyone whose goal is making money, and doesn't care who wins this thing, the line seems pretty fair based on what we've seen in these playoffs...

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