Lebron James is 1000x better than Michael Jordan

faggo.ty little troll.

I already broke down the 2 players and MJ crushes LBJ in finals.

What MJ did in his 1st 3 finals LBJ has not done in 6 finals when it comes to FG %..

Of coarse he had some bad games, but LBJ has had far worse games then good games when it comes to FG %.

MJ had games the likes of LBJ has never come close to.

LBJ flopped again last night, he actually cleaned-up whewn the game was out of reach and Warriors let him go uncontested to easy layups which juiced-up his FG % to be respectable, hey that was the same thing happened to LBJ VS Spurs in 2014, he only shot well when games were out of reach.

When the game is on the line LBJ  flopped BUT  more then not MJ rose to the occasion but MJ was not 100%, MJ was just far better then LBJ.

It's a fact go look it up, a few games is not meaningful, MJ is not 100% of all games shooting a strong FG % but he did it at a much higher rate then LBJ.

LeBron will go down in the history as the greatest of all time, bringing the worst team by far in the league to the finals, what did Kobe do to his Lakers team? His Lakers team aint half as bad as that Cavs team that LBJ brought to the finals, and he couldnt even get them to THE PLAYOFFS, and Lakers had a much deeper bench and better defensive players so he could unfold his offensive capabilities. But he didnt. Because he aint great. Because he aint a leader. Because he aint the GOAT. Because he aint LeBron "The King" James. 

he wins cheating? Ehh? Who taught you england. 

LeBron has NEVER had a team on the same level as the Warriors much less Jordan's Bulls teams. MJ didn't do anything until A) the great teams in the east got old (Celtics & Pistons) and B) getting Scottie Pippen but people seem to forget those variables. Furthering that point, he had Rodman, Horace Grant, Tony Kucoc, Kerr, Pippen those teams were loaded much like the Warriors are now which afforded MJ a lot of one on one matchups because of a secondary scoring option in Pippen and knock down shooters like Kerr on his team.

Also......

Lebron is consistantly asked to facilitate the offense, be the primary scorer AND GUARD EVERYONE ON THE FLOOR THAT CAN GET POINTS CONSISTENTLY AT DIFFERENT TIMES DURING THE GAME INCLUDING THE BEST PLAYER ON THE OTHER TEAM. MJ had Pippen to do that which took some of the burden off of him at times on the defensive end.

Remember the Bulls won more games when Jordan went to go play baseball thats how talented his team was. Its the same logic that people used to get Steph Curry the MVP in unanimous fashion this year. We all clearly can see that Draymond Green is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to that team but everyone was in awe at what Steph was doing this season much like during MJ's career; in awe of MJ, no one paying attention to the variables around him.

Lebron has taken teams with horrid talent to the finals, when he gets there he is hopelessly outmatched or is facing all-time great teams (Spurs dynasty & Warriors loaded teams). Vegas had Jordan's teams favored for the series in 5 of 6 finals appearances the other being a literal pick'em against the JAZZ in 98. LeBron's teams have been the favorite for the series a whopping 1 time out of 7 trips.

No MJ just happened to get the right help at the right time to compliment his talents which were indeed GREAT and anything I say is not taking away from MJ's greatness. People just under appreciate Lebron's greatness.

These are all people who played at a high level OR never played but went to school and spend their entire life studying stats, players games, past and present. 

95% outright refuse to compare LeBron to Jordan. 

He doesn't even make many top 5 greatest players.

You truly have no understanding of the game. 

Never played, never studied...just youtube and Xbox.

You're a prisoner of the moment.

LeBron is good, but he's not the guy you want with the ball in his hand when things are falling apart around him.

He is a soft whining complaining btich. 

Didnt you wonder why it got him so mad when Dray called him out on it.

What you can't argue with is raw data and lebron smashes Jordan in everything except points.... sure people are going to say 6 finals 6 MVPs but I already stated why that is an uneducated argument in a post above.  Go look at Jordan up to age 31 and Lebron up to age 31...... IF he wins this Game 7 and I promise its a big if he will be a more decorated pro at this point at his career than Jordan was at age 31. He will have taken out the best team in regular season history and defending champion. He will have beaten the ONLY unanimous MVP for one championship, arguably the 2nd best player in his era (Durant) to get another one and beat a dynasty team in the spurs for his third ring. While also amounting more finals appearances, MVP Awards.

He is also the #1 player in Value Over Replacement Player ALL TIME!

Jordan is #2.

Please don't question my basketball acumen, I am certain I am more knowledgable than 75% of people in this forum about sports.

The legacy argument for all time great can't be had until Lebron has finished his career.

Tell me this if Lebron gets to 6 rings and lets say 10 - 12 finals appearances, roughly his stats stay the same and he finishes as the all-time leading scorer (reg. season & playoffs) and top 3 in assists all time would he be considered better than Jordan?

i've been a huge basketball fan/junkie ever since i can remember so im not sure wat the heck you mean when you say "their era"...i consider all the time ive been watching and loving the sport to be my era.

no doubt jordan got EVERY call his way,he was clearly the face of the league and its cash cow...but the main reason he lived at the line moreso than lebron was because he was a more creative,craftier scorer with much more nuance and finesse to his game when necessary...as kenny smith has said a thousand times,not only was he the most athletically gifted/talented player of all time,he was also the most fundamentally sound...dude knew how to play the game,had footwork,change of direction dribble moves and pump-fakes etc......not to say that lebron isnt a heck of a force offensively but youre insane if you think that he is as well rounded purely from a scoring standpoint and in baiting defenders/drawing fouls...at times we see lebron just resort to putting his head down and barelling into players,you very,very rarely saw jordan do that.....so thats the answer to that......also i think its fair to say that big,brutish players dont get quite as many calls as defenders bounce off them and its tougher to make certain calls.

to say the pistons got old is revisionist history...they were MADE to look old cos the penny dropped for jordan and the bulls.

jordan was equally as good a defender as pippen and cud guard the best perimeter player on the court an any time so youre blowing that WAAAY out of proportion...but obviously it just makes more sense to save jordans legs a little from time to time seeing as he had such a massive scoring burden...but he never shied away from a defensive assignment......both pippen and definitely lebron have an edge in regards to guarding more positions simply because of that extra length and size but as an individual defender overall i think its a wash between jordan and lebron...just personal opinion.

the bulls won more games when jordan played baseball???...please.........you mean they won more REGULAR SEASON games..then wat happened in the playoffs??....thats right,they missed the finals and also lost to the team that cudnt win the finals so thats the difference rite there..at the time of year when it matters they DESPERATELY needed jordan.

im not quite sure if you know the full picture but in jordans first three-peat his teams were NOT loaded at all....aside from bona-fide all-star pippen he was surrounded by marginal role players and journeymen who were made to look good due to the greatness of pip/m.j and most of whom you wud never,ever even have heard of or pay attention to were it not for jordan/jackson/pippen...........check these names,dude-grant,cartwright,paxson,armstrong,levingston,perdue,wennington,scott williams,bobby hansen,trent tucker,rodney mccray....i mean,seriously???

and lastly,youre missing the whole point in looking at favouritism.......jordan himself was THE REASON that the bulls started every finals as favourites,it was a mark of his greatness and his insatiable desire to beat any damn thing you put in front of him.....heck,you cud assemble an all-time greatest team(hypothetically) and books wud probably still start jordans bulls as favourites.....take him off any single one of those title teams and they are automatically underdogs and in many cases BIG underdogs.

we'd have to see how it plays out and wat role he plays in those titles....but clearly he wud be in SERIOUS consideration...i believe he is well in the discussion currently....but for me the same intangibles that gives jordan the nod in everyone elses eyes tip the scales for me also...which is his pathological,psychotic,insatiable will to win.

surely youve heard about this and how it drives the fu.kken dude,right??

now i know,i know,i know...its kinda subjective and cant be nailed down numerically or in any concrete manner....but honestly,can you sit there and tell me that lebrons desire to win and willingness to do any-fu.kking thing watsoever is on the same level as wat jordans was??...knowing wat you know of the 2.

cos thats a big separator right there for me.

lebrons just not that dude.....on the court as an all round player he is incredible and theres nothing like him..........but he is a more balanced,rational individual when all is said and done and is not as willing to metaphorically slit your throat or cut your heart out to gain an advantage the way that mike was.

if the argument is whos a better human being then lebron,despite all his moaning and sensitive,passive-aggressive bull-garbage,wins hands down.

jordan was made differently,he CANT live with the results unless the result is a fu.kking victory...and he'll beat himself up all summer if it wasnt.

its not just myth or urban legend...every single person that has associated with the dude says the same thing about him....the most driven,competitive guy they ever encountered...to the point of being petty,petulant,stroppy and downright disrespectful if he didnt get his way......but on the court it always bore positive results.

for just a second disregard sum of the stats you like to bombard us with and think about wat your eyes tell you.

I was referencing the fact that there are era's in Basketball (Russell's Celtics, Bird vs. Magic, MJ's Era) 

I agree with everything you said about Jordan's athleticism problem is he was a freak of nature to the NBA when he hit his prime the issue I have is 

 A) athletic guard play in the 90's outside of a handful of guys was non-existent as a bulk of the elite talent were big men (hakeem, robinson, malone, barkley, shaq, ewing, kemp and others) and that handful of guys (penny hardaway, gary payton, reggie miller, clyde drexler, Grant Hill) were all clearly a few notches beneath Jordan in athleticism. 

B) LeBron faces equal athleticism or at least something close to it almost every single night in the league so he doesn't have that clear advantage or as big of a difference as Jordan did. Jordan had arguably the best wing defender on his own team lol

Look at Isiah Thomas', Magic Johnson's, Kareem Abdul Jabar's and Larry Bird's careers after 1990. Those guys had to get old before Jordan won anything, he didn't even get to the finals before 1991 and was drafted in 1984. LeBron got there in 2007 after being drafted in 2003.

Look what happens to lebron's teams after he leaves, Cavs had #1 pick 3x in 5 years, Miami didn't make playoffs before he gets there and they had wade.... he comes for 4 years and 4 straight finals appearances with 2 ships he leaves they miss the playoffs. Lebron's old teams couldn't even win regular season games the Cavs went from 60 wins to 60 losses in 2010 and he took THAT team to the ECF.

Also bigger players are reffed differently as they don't look to be as effected by contact so in turn get less calls as they look less impeded. But thats no excuse when you can breathe on someone in todays NBA and still get a foul call.

No matter how great Lebron was he took lesser teams to the finals which is why he was the underdog....... his opponents carried a higher win % into the finals than Jordan's opponents in the finals (tougher competition).

dude,you make sum great points and i lean toward agreeing with most of wat you say.

my gut says youre probably right in saying the physiology of your average nba wingman was quite inferior next to jordan which gave him an advantage.....but isnt that credit to him for being ahead of his time in simply being a superior leaper,sprinter and agile mover packed in a 6'6" frame??...its a bit subjective and so hard to say definitively but on the other side of the coin,yes there are terrific athletes all throughout the league nowadays but again lebron also is ahead of his time in that no-one else comes close to his combination of speed,mobility,strength,power,hops in a frame that large......i dunno if its a legit argument but seems about right i guess.

again,you can flip it and say that it was jordans dominance that made the league look a little weaker than it actually was...you see dynasty teams the celtics,pistons,lakers all fade and assume that michael just timed it right and "cashed in"......but many have argued conversely that it was jordan that almost single-handedly blocked a generation of all time greats from having their own winning legacy or building any kind of budding dynasty....think about the greats-drexler,ewing,barkley,robinson(obviously he won a ring),malone and stockton and reggie miller...if jordan was removed from history maybe one of those cats is part of a dominant team over a whole era.....the jazz,sonics,blazers and suns teams that jordan faced were all quality teams,definitely above average finals opponents and jordan vanquished all of them...they were underdogs BECAUSE OF HIM.

totally agree,lebron has a transformative effect on his team,his all round dominance turns almost any team into instant finals contendors overnite...altho you have to concede the one significant caveat that he has always been in the east and even his most ardent supporter wud grant him that being heavily in his favour............this is yet another one where you can flip it and say"oh,its easier for lebron to completely alter a teams fortunes cos the league is weaker/more watered down than in jordans day"...im not gonna get into that cos its so hard to know,so many variables.

thats one thing i wont argue with,i feel that overall lebron has been over-matched to a greater degree in his finals series.....but hey,on the biggest stage for all the marbles thats where legends are made...if hes the greatest ever then he sumhow finds ways to will his teams to titles as underdog(just like hes tryna do rite now).....no way in hell shud he been expected to beat the spurs in '07 or warriors last year......but  the warriors this year(yea,theyre terrific but im not buying this greatest team of all time malarkey),plus the mavericks and the spurs in '14(tho that was an extremely good and determined squad)were all opportunities for him to sumhow drag his team kicking and screaming to an unexpected result......mavs obviously he was fave tho,right??

but in the end im not one of these idiots who think one player determines the result in a team sport.....ya still gotta have the pieces around you step up and particularly a cerebral team player who always wants to share the ball whenever possible like lebron.

so,you never answered my question,how much of jordan did you see??

and who do you see as the more fierce competitor in your personal opinion??