Going to be here for a bit...so I'll post picks in this thread

You didnt ignore it...you blamed it on it being a small sample in march and april...lol.  You didnt refute the numbers at all...they are what they are.  

Now, a month later you are attempting to muddy the waters again by lying and denying your own record.

You continue to come back with deflection instead of any proof whatsoever.

You denying your record is good enough for me.  You told people to go back and tally everything up because you dont have the integrity to do it yourself.  It allows you to make broad boasting statements that are not true.  When I finally did tally your record, you then blamed it on the sample size and now you are denying it all together.  

Youre a proven liar and fraud...period.  There are some things you could do to refute and prove your own claims, yet you flat out refuse to do it.  Thats the teller....if you could prove any of the claims false you would...look at all the effort you put in deflecting and lying...look at the length of your posts.  Why dont you stop with the lengthy posts and just put up one shred of evidence that you are what you say you are.  

You have been challenged and you clearly are not up to the task.

Where are your supporters?  Any vouchers for you saying that you have helped them over the months make money?

You have learned more from me on here than you have taught anyone...just what have you taught anyone anyway.  Money management?  Dont make me laugh.

You are really hung up on the views of this thread arent ya...stroking your ego.  "look at all of the people looking at my thread"....hey, idiot...look at what they are seeing.  They are watching you get called out and they are watching you run and hide.  

My god, you are denying your own record...if any of those months are not correct, then show us all where they are wrong...I mean its not that difficult.  If someone is challenging that you lay any plays at all and for how much, then simply post a ticket...its not that difficult...UNLESS its not true.  

Its been 4 months of this crap from you and you have offered absolutely nothing to lend any credibility whatsoever.

Thats all fine unless you couple it with a braggart and demeaning mouth.  Thats what got you investigated.  Not the fact that you are putting up a couple of guess picks a day...its the way you have went about...lie after lie.

The moment of truth came and you panicked...you started making more picks at higher (monopoly units) units trying to catch up...instead it just dug your hole deeper.

You are really really bad at this...thats your record.  A record you cannot refute with any hard numbers of your own.  You have been completely owned in your own thread.

You should offer a class of how to go completely broke in 3 months using your system and advice...lol.

From page 25...lets go back there and see if this guy denies his record there...nope he blames the billboarded record on the sample size.  According to this putz you have to follow him for years to get a true indicator...lol.  Years?  If you follow him for a month you will lose your house...you wont be able to afford waiting on this fraud to dig out of his hole.

And thats what he means by the sample size...what he really means is that he needs more time....famous words of a really bad gambler.

Then watch this guy get all giddy when he puts a couple of wins together...its embarrassing to watch.

There ya go smartazz...there is a unit for unit detail of the last half of march posted a month ago.  You didnt deny any of this then...why are you so ashamed now?

That and look at you claim at point #3...this was said by you when you first got here...thats you bragging that you dont go on losing streaks...that "it hasnt happened yet"...lmao.  Your 4 months here posting are packed full of losing streaks...losing streaks and bad money management that have you way under...WAY WAY UNDER.

Look at this guy go.  I couldn't draw more attention to this thread on my own if I TRIED.

FIrst, the amount of units you lose is relevant to your wager size.  If I lose 24 units, at betting 3 units a game?  That's only being down a handful of games, if I lose about 1-2 games a day out of 3 games picked.  Definitely goes right over your head. lol.

Second, I can refute ANYTHING you post at ANY given time, because you have NO VERIFICATION OF YOUR SUPPOSED RECORD OF MY PICKS....

You did not verify ANYTHING you posted.  You just posted a record and claimed "I put in the work and did the numbers"....says who, YOU?  LMAO!!!

Oh yeah.....definitely 100% credible.

No one needs to come on here and "back me up" or "support me"....FOR WHAT?  There was two times some one said something against you....then they gave up.....you're so endlessly STUPID....it's best to just let you make yourself look ridiculous.  No one has to lift a finger.

Every time you posted your records, I IGNORED YOU back when you posted them....they are NOT VERIFIED by the picks....

You want to prove something?  PRove that I have never been ahead overall when I said, by posting each and every WIN and each and ever LOSS, with the date I posted it and the LINK TO THE PART OF THE THREAD it was posted in.  Other wise?  Your records are as good as NOTHING.....You're just making more posts in my thread, keeping it bumped to the top.

You constantly claim I run and hide....when I have never stopped posting...where am I running to?  ....when I turn my computer off at night to sleep?  LOL!!!! hahahahah

You kept denying the 7 day win streak....then when some one stated it existed, actually claiming it was longer than 7 days, you then said you will not awcknowledge it because "some of the days were apart of february".  It was still a 7 day win streak! lol....now you claim it never existed.  And that you never said that.  Are you going to deny what is ALREADY RECORDED IN THE THREAD?  LMAO!!!

So let's go.....what's your next angle on proving to the forum I can't win and never have been able to?  LOL

I'm winning...my followers are up over 23 units now in just the past 2-3 pages of my thread.....not looking good for your campaign LOL!!!!

Better hope I start losing again.....you're going to look even more stupid...

Mlb

Detroit -125

3 units

Dude...you are whacked out of your mind...the above is an embarrassing read...especially your definition of being down...lmao.

Still you have yet to post a record that you say is wrong...I say you gave a go at gambling because you didnt pass middle school.

What an epic implosion you have become.  Keep denying the facts in your own thread with your hypothetical scenarios.

Mission accomplished...youre a tard.  Feeling sorry for you.

You didn't do any of that.  You just made a claim of having "added up my plays" and created a record and posted it.

How can you POSSIBLY believe, that's all it takes to prove something 100%?  Let a lone in this WORLD.  That would never hold any weight any where in the world.  You want to prove something?  Then prove it 100%!   I didn't need to say this before, because anyone with a half way thinking mind could figure this out for themselves.  

All they needed to do was see one section of my plays, play for play, that did not go in sync with what you claimed and then see what kind of crazyness you were posting.

You feel sorry for me...LOL!!  This is a public forum.  You must REALLY take yourself seriously on here, if you think others do.

I called you back in here with your entourage for FUN.....you seem to be taking it RIDICULOUSLY personal.  Look at all the posts you make in response to me.  Endless endless attempts to try to discredit me.

Just sit back and wait for me to start losing again.  Don't know when it will happen, but, lol......if it does?  You can go ahead and start your campaign again.    Until then?  Stop making a fool of yourself....please.

Make room for the winning plays I post in my thread...thanks buddy! :)

Here you go...this is your dumbazz overreacting to a few followers...notice you are calling them out for THEM not documenting and tallying your picks...lol.  YOU dont even tally your own picks, but you expect everyone else individually to wade thru weeks and months of picks to verify you are who say you are.  Thats not their responsibility...its your thread and its your responsibility.  

So there you go...you lying about being up when you were down.  You dont even know your own record...I do.  I have done more work to show the real you on here than you have.  Youre a train wreck.  But the work is done for me...the recollection is a click of a button...Ill be here all year.  Have fun, forest.

And then you go around to other threads giving people advice about money management...lmao.

In the last 2 weeks of march you lost over $124,000 (based on your mythical 5k a unit plays)...yeah...great money management, einstein.  You lost units in 12 of the last 14 days...yeah, you officially suck...actually you are one of the worst on here.

So lets see...a guy who keeps no running tally...lies about his record...lies about his profits or lack thereof, is now giving advice to others as to how to disprove his own record...lol.  Links to each individual loss?  Oh now you want links for each win and loss?

LMAO...you deny your own record that someone (me) took a considerable amount of time to post.  Something your lazy azz refuses to do.  Now you want to tell me what fits your approval...dude...seek help.

I posted your entire record...you dont give demands to me...if you disagree with your own record, then how about YOU prove my findings are wrong...the onus is on you, buddy to defend your fraudulent record...not mine.  I have already went thru and detailed your wins/losses, when you did them, how many units....I did it by month, sometimes by weeks or even days.  I went above and beyond and now you want links to your own thread?....youre high!!!

The decrease in your followers tells the story...they had enough of you.  All of the views you get now are me hammering your fraudulent azz.  Thats not by accident btw...this thread is bumped for a reason by me...thats just that many more people that click on the top thread and then see you getting hammered for the fraud you are.

Its now just entertainment for me.  Im in the right...nothing to hide...nothing to deny.  If anyone wants to challenge my calculations of your record, then I will take that debate anytime.  BUT you know whats funny?  Not one person has even challenged my findings...only you...but you do it with elementary jibberish never proving anything on your own behalf.  

If you actually were what you brag to be, then this would be the easiest thing to discredit...but you have not discredited one thing I said or did.

I mean is this how you handle things in real life?...lord help anyone forced to be anywhere near you.

All I have to do is read 1-2 lines of your posts and then respond.  It's all the same stuff.

Fact remains is THIS.....

You posted a record without verifying it.  Plain and simple.  I debunked a statement not my followers made, you cherry picker, I debunked a statement a few NON FOLLOWERS made, that had NOTHING TO SAY about what I said after wards, because they were WRONG.  Those were NOT my followers. 

You just love to cherry pick things in the thread to suite your idiotic agenda don't you?  You failed bro.

You have not verified ANYTHING as far as how badly I was winning or losing period.  You only posted supposed "records" and make "claims".

Show ONE significant stretch of actual PICKS of mine.  Other than that?  Nothing you post means ANYTHING.  You can go on and on with paragraph after paragraph of responses.....the more you talk, is not the more credible you are....I truly hope that's not what you think. LOL

Notice how the ONLY time you reference to is that small stretch of losses I had in march.

Oh what a HORRIBLE record ANYONE would have if the people monitoring them ONLY graded them on their LOSSES and IGNORED their wins.

LOL!!!

You're such a riot.

Now you've resorted to saying I'm entertainment for you now?  LOL  I'm glad we can entertain each other.  Keep the views on my thread coming.  And keep trying to prove I can't win and never have won, while I continue to win.

Go tigers.  Lets bank in another 3 units for my win streak.  Up over 23 so far.  You can go back 3 pages and see that. :)

Are you blind?  Your overall record reflects your wins/losses and pushes...every single one.  Your calculated record had you at 50-50-1 thru 3 months...how do you interpret that as someone not calculating your wins.

If you want to refer the dismal streaks you went on then blame yourself...you were the one that boasted when you first got here that those dont exist...hell, the thread is littered with your streaks.

I can tell everyone another thing...you claimed to make more in a week (+10 unit @ 50K) than most make in a year, right?  For the entire time you have been here you have never been up +10 units once...not in a week not even for the month.

You are denying your record, then claiming that it cant be verified.  They are all your plays from this very thread...theres your verification, right?  Isnt that how you operate...you make wild claims of being up, and then if your challenged you just tell them to go back thru 30 pages and calculate it for themselves?  Isnt that how you do business.

The amount of work I put in posting every single play you made is all on paper sitting right next to me...give me a date, a week, or any month and I can tell you your exact record.

In fact lets play a little game...I will give a random week of your plays in this very thread...lets see who can post your actual record and profit and loss for that week the fastest.  You can pick a week also...any week in the months Jan - March...your april was pathetic, so no need to go there and your may is only half over.  So go ahead pick a week...any week.  ill bet I post it quicker than you.  its all at a quick glance for me.  Put up or shut up.

Just the fact that you dispute my findings proves that you dont know your own record.  It also proves you hypocritical, because at the time it was all being calculated and presented, you had nothing to say in refute...you blamed it on the sample size...now, more than a month later you deny them...what a coward you are.  It wont work though...this board will be littered with all of your embarrassing little comments and plays.

I wonder how many are returning each day just to watch it ;).

Not your how many wins and losses.

No VERIFY IT with the ACTUAL PLAY, giving the link to the part of the thread it was posted in, play for play, so a person can check the results of the games themselves on espn.com.  

Your records?  ARE NOT VERIFIED.....that's my point.

I can go to february and say I am actually up 35000 units......but the ONLY way to verify it?  Is to go through each and every play.  One by one.  Win and loss.  

I said I was up overall when I first stated it.  And I was.  Post the actual plays, before that statement was first made, with PROOF of the time and date, in the thread, and disprove it.  You can't do that...because the PROOF is right in the thread.

All you can do is post your bogus records.  What makes your records credible?  Cuz you said you did the work?  PROVE IT......show each and every win and loss.

If not?  You're a buffoon bro.

I'll keep winning.  You keep trying to prove something to yourself and the forum.  I mean, it is what your life is all about right?  Forum recognition?  ....cmon now.  -_-

Bahahaa, big mouth...the point about verification is that its you challenging it...not some newbie off the street...ITS YOU.   

You tried to lie about your record...you were caught and exposed.  Now you are continuing to deny your own record.

Again, which month of the results is wrong?  See thats what your lame brain doesnt understand...YOU ARE THE ONE DENYING THE RESULTS OF YOUR OWN PLAYS.

You should be a man and stand behind them...instead you lie and deny them, because they suck and so do you.

Your request for links to your own thread and plays is denied.  There your picks you should know if its wrong and correct and by how much.  You have been challenged and you simply dont have the record to back up your retort or you would be flashing it in my face instead of asking for links to your own thread.

You live in this fantasy world believing that everyone believes what you say because of your made up bankroll and false record claims.  I suspected you were a hypocritical liar...then I proved it.  If you want to continue denying your own results, then go ahead.  I certainly am not listening to it...I know better.

Keep repeating yourself, nutcase.

Your the trigonometry wannabe that hasnt passed basic math.

Show the actual wins and losses that you made a record on to back up your record.

If not?  Your claims are BASELESS.

I can't deny something that you posted when what you posted was NOT VERIFIED....

You are really crazy or really retarded...I don't which one...but what don't you understand about JUST BECAUSE YOU POST A RECORD YOU SAID YOU ADDED UP DOES NOT MEAN IT IS A TRUE RECORD!

DUH.....how hard is that to understand.  Goodness gracious.

You have to actually provide links to each and every wager, in your record with dates and actual times...other wise what you're saying is just as baseless as what I say.

How the HELL is not hard to understand???

Geeze.....first I thought you were just trolling...now I really believe that you are truly STUPID...

LMAO...you still dont get it do you.  Do you realize that you are asking the person that took several hours to go back thru every play you made and for how much and then posted it.

Why do you need proof!!!!????  They are your plays in your thread!!!  Is that your record for that time or not...why do you need me to prove it to you...do you not know your own record?

Why do you of all people need proof of your own plays?

Its very simple...which months record do you have a problem with...which month is incorrect...which month if any disagrees with your own record of results.  Do you know how stupid you sound.

Is it possible that you cant do with your own plays what you tell everyone else to do...is it possible that you dont know your own record?  And that you are too lazy to tally your own results. 

I cannot believe you are asking for proof of your own results.  Shouldnt you know at a glance?  Shouldnt you, being the supposed pro that you are bump your calculations against some passerby like me challenging your record.

You see, this is why you are full of sh!t....you constantly said you were way up over and over...well how can you make a claim like that if you yourself doesnt even have a record of your results.

I mean you tried to come off as some experienced expert in the biz, yet some nobody like me comes in and completely turns you upside down...not by lying, but by simply tallying your record for everyone to see.  Now, you are so completely lost on your own record that you now want links to your own thread as proof.  Dude, how did you get this stupid?

You are what I thought you were right down the line...false claims, lies, deflection, a true novice.  

And then you continue to argue and bs, but you wont answer even one challenge.  like what do you have to say about your lying claim about you being up in january, when you were down?  You said to point to a time that you said you were up when you down and I did...its right there in black and white right at the beginning of the thread...what say you?  

If you dont have the integrity to be honest in your first week, then how would anyone believe you have the integrity now after posting for 4 months.  

The fact is, you have no idea if you are up or down...the only thing you know about your own record is what I have calculated and posted myself.  I knew for a fact that you didnt know your own record when you kept saying you were way up, when I knew there was no way possible you could be.

A real man with some integrity would at least have a retort for the results.  The little man novice you are just decided to completely lie about your own record.

I havnt even calculate April yet...that had to be a complete disaster...even I am afraid to look at those results.  After months of being down and you are still way down, you put a couple of wins together and you are so giddy now calling everyone out...like you showed everyone or something...lmao.  A blind squirrel finds a nut occassionally, right?  

You have an embarrassing pattern of losing, bad money management, bad advice, false claims and lies.  This was not a very difficult case on my end...it was fairley easy.

So, forest, quit asking for proof or your own results.  You want a nice little spread sheet from day one put together all nice for you so then you can have a record, right?  Well it aint happening, i have those numbers, but they are for my benefit, not for your lazy azz.

If you want your record by day and units with a running tally then go do the work yourself.  For now, my calculations stand because the moron in you has nothing to back up your retort...you have nothing and Im not doing anymore work for you.

You should be able to look right at it and no one way or the other.  If you disagree with the calcs then you should be able to say immediately where and win and for how much.  The fact that you cant should be a lesson learned for you.  This is why you keep track of your own record...this is why most that do this to really help for any length of time, are usually courteous enough to keep a rolling and overall tally.  You chose not to and now you are at the liberty of some strangers numbers of your record and you cant even fight it...lol.

You are essentially going to war with no weapons and the war is in your backyard...you are owned in your own home, son.

For one, you are not that kind of guy, and two, you arent helping anyone out.  If you occassionaly win, then you think you are god making people all this money...but when you repeatedly lose, then its such a small sample that it should be ignored...lol.

I would say that a record of 120 plays or so is a pretty good sample size...and you failed.  Go somewhere else and start fresh.  Just remember, that there is always someone out there like me to keep twits like you honest.  So consider it a lesson learned...GO AND SIN NO MORE, YOUNG MAN.

You make it so easy to make a fool out of you my man.  You really do.  You have honestly given me and the those that I'm laughing with at you, a really good laugh.  A really good one.  Thank you for that.  The fact that you are really like this and real life....oh god....wow....friggin hilarious.  

And the way you conclude your posts, with this condescending authority, like you just made the discovery and the point of the century on this forum....LOL!!

You wasted three paragraphs doing nothing but contributing to the same stupidness....I have really come to the conclusion that you are one of those really slow people...that doesn't even realize how slow they are, because they have a pretty decent vocabulary and relative knowledge of most things.  I know...you're going to try to respond with some sort of slick witted remark about how you supposedly "exposed" me for the forum to save face....because YOU most definitely have completely opened up to how this conversation here is effecting you personally.  oh man....

It took you 3 paragraphs to repeat the same crap...and it will take me one paragraph to say once again.....since it still does not seem to get to you...

That just because you SAID and CLAIMED you tallied up my wins and losses and posted a RECORD of them, does NOT MEAN, your "record" is 100% TRUTH.

I'll say it again....cuz I don't think you still understood.

I repeat....JUST because you SAID you CLAIMED you tallied up my wins and losses and posted a RECORD of them, does NOT MEAN, your "record" is 100% TRUTH.....

Until your records are verified with each and every individual play, you claim you tallied....or someone does the work and verifies and/or unverifies the RECORD you claimed was "tallied" up by you...it means NOTHING....it is your word, verse, the actual results in the thread.

You want to post a record?  POST THE ACTUAL WINNING PLAYS AND LOSING PLAYS....not just 

april +45 units

march -45 units

That's NOTHING.....that is not verified....

Am I getting to you now or what?  Cuz I know you're slow (I expect you to take that very personally and respond to me with 4-5 paragraphs about how I am actually the one slow and not you LOL)