I think Lebron just showed he aint a leader he went to Wade's team he takes a back seat to Wade i think that itself is funny! Lebron just cemented himself a follower not a leader i thought he would be. Lebron could have taken less money to play in his home town and got players to play there just because Bosh wouldn't there had to be someone willing to play there along side him!
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I think Lebron just showed he aint a leader he went to Wade's team he takes a back seat to Wade i think that itself is funny! Lebron just cemented himself a follower not a leader i thought he would be. Lebron could have taken less money to play in his home town and got players to play there just because Bosh wouldn't there had to be someone willing to play there along side him!
Dimes -- I don't have a team in the NBA, I'm just a diehard basketball fan. I have no loyalties. I just hate seeing a fanbase, city, state, and community done wrong like that. Cold blooded, biggest knife in the back ever.
To put LeBron in a conversation with Kobe and Michael is a complete joke now. Hell, in my mind he's not even in a conversation with Wade in terms of historical legacy.
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Dimes -- I don't have a team in the NBA, I'm just a diehard basketball fan. I have no loyalties. I just hate seeing a fanbase, city, state, and community done wrong like that. Cold blooded, biggest knife in the back ever.
To put LeBron in a conversation with Kobe and Michael is a complete joke now. Hell, in my mind he's not even in a conversation with Wade in terms of historical legacy.
"If he knew he wanted to stay there he would have told them early, that was the whole point, and if someone gave me 7 days to make a decision that would effect me for the next 5 to 6 years, and would for sure determine my overall legacy, I would take every single day to the last minute to try and make the best decision... He is no scumbag for choosing what he wants to do with his own life, he owes Cavs or Cleveland nothing, he already gives them more then anyone else besides the tax payers"
Exactly !
James has shown some imaturity on the court but has always been a man with class. It was the media that created all the hype because the fans wanted it. James, like everyone knew what a big decision this was in basketball land and had every right to take only a week to make a decision before he could even talk about it. The NBA is a fucken business and if James had a bum leg and was only a shell of himself, would Gilbert resign him to a max deal, hell no! James gave 7 great years to Cleveland and he gets this shit from the owner. Gilbert has every right to be mad but has no right to call out James. Gilbert has no class! Does anyone in Cleveland have any class? Where are U?
Come on! You can't handle the truth because its on TV. What did you guys want? James to write a letter. Everyone in basketball world wanted the decision from him for years and James needed to talk about it. What was he suppose to tell them a week ago. "Im going to dump your sorry ass biitchh but i'm wating to find something better first?
Gilbert is acting like the psyco girlfriend you just dumped!
He should be blaming Danny Ferry! On second thought why would any young, rich, famous person want to live in Cleveland other than for a paycheck? If, Gilbert is so rich why buy the Cavs? Only one reason, to cash in on James. Gold digging B with hair plugs!
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Originally Posted by investments4you:
"If he knew he wanted to stay there he would have told them early, that was the whole point, and if someone gave me 7 days to make a decision that would effect me for the next 5 to 6 years, and would for sure determine my overall legacy, I would take every single day to the last minute to try and make the best decision... He is no scumbag for choosing what he wants to do with his own life, he owes Cavs or Cleveland nothing, he already gives them more then anyone else besides the tax payers"
Exactly !
James has shown some imaturity on the court but has always been a man with class. It was the media that created all the hype because the fans wanted it. James, like everyone knew what a big decision this was in basketball land and had every right to take only a week to make a decision before he could even talk about it. The NBA is a fucken business and if James had a bum leg and was only a shell of himself, would Gilbert resign him to a max deal, hell no! James gave 7 great years to Cleveland and he gets this shit from the owner. Gilbert has every right to be mad but has no right to call out James. Gilbert has no class! Does anyone in Cleveland have any class? Where are U?
Come on! You can't handle the truth because its on TV. What did you guys want? James to write a letter. Everyone in basketball world wanted the decision from him for years and James needed to talk about it. What was he suppose to tell them a week ago. "Im going to dump your sorry ass biitchh but i'm wating to find something better first?
Gilbert is acting like the psyco girlfriend you just dumped!
He should be blaming Danny Ferry! On second thought why would any young, rich, famous person want to live in Cleveland other than for a paycheck? If, Gilbert is so rich why buy the Cavs? Only one reason, to cash in on James. Gold digging B with hair plugs!
James has shown some imaturity on the court but has always been a man
with class. It was the media that created all the hype because the fans
wanted it. James, like everyone knew what a big decision this was in
basketball land and had every right to take only a week to make a
decision before he could even talk about it. The NBA is a fucken
business and if James had a bum leg and was only a shell of himself,
would Gilbert resign him to a max deal, hell no! James gave 7 great
years to Cleveland and he gets this shit from the owner. Gilbert has
every right to be mad but has no right to call out James. Gilbert has no
class! Does anyone in Cleveland have any class? Where are U?
Come on! You can't handle the truth because its on TV. What did you
guys want? James to write a letter. Everyone in
basketball world wanted the decision from him for years and James
needed to talk about it. What was he suppose to tell them a week ago.
"Im going to dump your sorry ass biitchh but i'm wating to find
something better first?
Gilbert is acting like the psyco girlfriend you just dumped!
He should be blaming Danny Ferry! On second thought why would any
young, rich, famous person want to live in Cleveland other than for a
paycheck? If, Gilbert is so rich why buy the Cavs? Only one reason, to
cash in on James. Gold digging B with hair plugs!
finally someone who has an IQ
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiderpug:
Exactly !
James has shown some imaturity on the court but has always been a man
with class. It was the media that created all the hype because the fans
wanted it. James, like everyone knew what a big decision this was in
basketball land and had every right to take only a week to make a
decision before he could even talk about it. The NBA is a fucken
business and if James had a bum leg and was only a shell of himself,
would Gilbert resign him to a max deal, hell no! James gave 7 great
years to Cleveland and he gets this shit from the owner. Gilbert has
every right to be mad but has no right to call out James. Gilbert has no
class! Does anyone in Cleveland have any class? Where are U?
Come on! You can't handle the truth because its on TV. What did you
guys want? James to write a letter. Everyone in
basketball world wanted the decision from him for years and James
needed to talk about it. What was he suppose to tell them a week ago.
"Im going to dump your sorry ass biitchh but i'm wating to find
something better first?
Gilbert is acting like the psyco girlfriend you just dumped!
He should be blaming Danny Ferry! On second thought why would any
young, rich, famous person want to live in Cleveland other than for a
paycheck? If, Gilbert is so rich why buy the Cavs? Only one reason, to
cash in on James. Gold digging B with hair plugs!
I hear you Kapono, but if I'm an NBA superstar I want titles more so than pampering. Mark Cuban pampers the hell out of his superstars but it doesn't translate to winning. If I'm a superstar, Im going some place win....period. The message Gilbert's careless rant sends is that if you come play for me and we don't win, I'm throwing your ass under the bus.
Why? Kobe didn't have to go anywhere after Shaq left and all Kobe has are a bunch of role players which is why James will never be a legend like Kobe.
Lebron James is a narcissistic prick, damn near worse than TO. What the fuck has James done in his career? Obviously, he hasn't done a damn thing.
If I'm a superstar, I'm going to have people come to me. I'm not not going to feel the need to go to D Wades team and D Wades city.
James is a clown and it will be hilarious when the Magic, Bulls or Celtics beat them in the Eastern Conference next year.
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Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:
I hear you Kapono, but if I'm an NBA superstar I want titles more so than pampering. Mark Cuban pampers the hell out of his superstars but it doesn't translate to winning. If I'm a superstar, Im going some place win....period. The message Gilbert's careless rant sends is that if you come play for me and we don't win, I'm throwing your ass under the bus.
Why? Kobe didn't have to go anywhere after Shaq left and all Kobe has are a bunch of role players which is why James will never be a legend like Kobe.
Lebron James is a narcissistic prick, damn near worse than TO. What the fuck has James done in his career? Obviously, he hasn't done a damn thing.
If I'm a superstar, I'm going to have people come to me. I'm not not going to feel the need to go to D Wades team and D Wades city.
James is a clown and it will be hilarious when the Magic, Bulls or Celtics beat them in the Eastern Conference next year.
kapanofor3 i agree Lebron cemented himself a follower not a leader. Wade is the Heat Lebron was the Cavs now its Lebron the 2nd fiddle haha. If the Heat don't win in the next 2 years what is next for Lebron the Lakers LOL!
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kapanofor3 i agree Lebron cemented himself a follower not a leader. Wade is the Heat Lebron was the Cavs now its Lebron the 2nd fiddle haha. If the Heat don't win in the next 2 years what is next for Lebron the Lakers LOL!
pug -- he didn't have "seven days" to make a decision. He's had two years to survey the landscape and make a choice.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he had to choose CLE or if he didn't he was a traitor. Not at all. That's the point of leaving yourself options in free agency. Its HOW he went about it that I have a problem with. There is handling things in a classy way, and then handling things in a way that demonstrates little maturity, massive ego, and little respect to those who have helped you along the way.
I also note that no one has really disagreed with the fact that what Gilbert said is the truth -- people HAVE been covering for LeBron and making excuses for him. He DID quit on his team in the Boston series. I don't see how anyone who watched that can honestly think differently.
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pug -- he didn't have "seven days" to make a decision. He's had two years to survey the landscape and make a choice.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he had to choose CLE or if he didn't he was a traitor. Not at all. That's the point of leaving yourself options in free agency. Its HOW he went about it that I have a problem with. There is handling things in a classy way, and then handling things in a way that demonstrates little maturity, massive ego, and little respect to those who have helped you along the way.
I also note that no one has really disagreed with the fact that what Gilbert said is the truth -- people HAVE been covering for LeBron and making excuses for him. He DID quit on his team in the Boston series. I don't see how anyone who watched that can honestly think differently.
Gilbert is a 2-faced FRAUD. He should be embarassed. He has a right to be frustrated that James made it all about him....and he has a right to be pissed that James dragged it out and left Cleveland with no opportunity to sign FA's. That's definitely on James.
But he is completely gutless to come out now and talk about James quitting during the Celtics series. What a coward. If Lebron had re-signed with Cleveland, Gilbert wouldn't have said a WORD (nor did he skewer James during the playoffs) because he wouldn't want to get on his bad side. But now that he's chosen to leave, Gilbert is Mr. big tough guy going after him.
What a complete box.
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Gilbert is a 2-faced FRAUD. He should be embarassed. He has a right to be frustrated that James made it all about him....and he has a right to be pissed that James dragged it out and left Cleveland with no opportunity to sign FA's. That's definitely on James.
But he is completely gutless to come out now and talk about James quitting during the Celtics series. What a coward. If Lebron had re-signed with Cleveland, Gilbert wouldn't have said a WORD (nor did he skewer James during the playoffs) because he wouldn't want to get on his bad side. But now that he's chosen to leave, Gilbert is Mr. big tough guy going after him.
I wonder how much Lebron's departure is going to cost Gilbert financially? That's the reason he's so pissed, Lebron is his meal ticket. The value of his franchise depreciates significantly without Lebron. I dig his anger though.
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I wonder how much Lebron's departure is going to cost Gilbert financially? That's the reason he's so pissed, Lebron is his meal ticket. The value of his franchise depreciates significantly without Lebron. I dig his anger though.
I wonder how much Lebron's departure is going to cost Gilbert financially? That's the reason he's so pissed, Lebron is his meal ticket. The value of his franchise depreciates significantly without Lebron. I dig his anger though.
I thought the value of the franchise went down $100M when he left. Not positive, but I heard that figure.
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Quote Originally Posted by ValueforRent:
I wonder how much Lebron's departure is going to cost Gilbert financially? That's the reason he's so pissed, Lebron is his meal ticket. The value of his franchise depreciates significantly without Lebron. I dig his anger though.
I thought the value of the franchise went down $100M when he left. Not positive, but I heard that figure.
$100m is the number by which is grew since Gilbert took over ownership of the franchise
So I doubt he is on struggle street, think most of the resentment stems from the fact that he allowed Lebron to do whatever he wanted, essentially call all the shots to ensure he remained statisfied
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$100m is the number by which is grew since Gilbert took over ownership of the franchise
So I doubt he is on struggle street, think most of the resentment stems from the fact that he allowed Lebron to do whatever he wanted, essentially call all the shots to ensure he remained statisfied
the value of the franchise has doubled since lebron arrived...What do you think it's gonna do after he's gone and you got the owner scaring any real players away....
" I doubt he is on struggle street."
I'd still bail now, why waste perfectly good cash.....
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the value of the franchise has doubled since lebron arrived...What do you think it's gonna do after he's gone and you got the owner scaring any real players away....
" I doubt he is on struggle street."
I'd still bail now, why waste perfectly good cash.....
$100m is the number by which is grew since Gilbert took over ownership of the franchise
So I doubt he is on struggle street, think most of the resentment stems from the fact that he allowed Lebron to do whatever he wanted, essentially call all the shots to ensure he remained statisfied
That's just it. He was a complete coward who let James do whatever he wanted. And now that he's not benefitting from him, he's taking on the role of hard ass. What a fraud.
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Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:
$100m is the number by which is grew since Gilbert took over ownership of the franchise
So I doubt he is on struggle street, think most of the resentment stems from the fact that he allowed Lebron to do whatever he wanted, essentially call all the shots to ensure he remained statisfied
That's just it. He was a complete coward who let James do whatever he wanted. And now that he's not benefitting from him, he's taking on the role of hard ass. What a fraud.
James had to hear from the possible teams he could or wanted to go to and was forbidden to talk with those teams untill July 1. He went about that business in a professional manor, kept his mouth shut and weighed the options. What was classless about that? I do admit he should have called the Cavs personally before the announcement rather than an assisstant, but the results would still have been the same. The media hyped it, the media made this into the spectacle it was, not James. The people wanted it like a heroin fix.
His on court failure is another thing is a whole nother matter. Sure he tanked it, so did Kobe vs the Suns when Dr. Phil told him to pass the ball and rely on Smushy, Cook and Brown, so Kobe gave them the ball every time.
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James had to hear from the possible teams he could or wanted to go to and was forbidden to talk with those teams untill July 1. He went about that business in a professional manor, kept his mouth shut and weighed the options. What was classless about that? I do admit he should have called the Cavs personally before the announcement rather than an assisstant, but the results would still have been the same. The media hyped it, the media made this into the spectacle it was, not James. The people wanted it like a heroin fix.
His on court failure is another thing is a whole nother matter. Sure he tanked it, so did Kobe vs the Suns when Dr. Phil told him to pass the ball and rely on Smushy, Cook and Brown, so Kobe gave them the ball every time.
Well I couldn't have been more wrong about LeBron going to anywhere but Miami -- I just didn't think it was a realistic decision. Just like Bill Simmons said, I thought he was choosing between immortality (Knicks), winning (Bulls), and loyalty (Cavs).
I avoided all of the internet during and after the announcement until just right now. Imagine my delight to read the Dan Gilbert letter and then read the following quotes that he gave to the AP after the announcement:
"Gilbert, who posted a letter to Cavs fans on the team's website shortly after James announced his plans to sign with the Heat, told The Associated Press late Thursday night that it's "accountability time" for James.
"He has gotten a free pass," Gilbert said in a phone interview with The AP. "People have covered up for [James] for way too long. Tonight we saw who he really is."
...
Gilbert said James quit on the Cavs during their second-round series against the Boston Celtics, who rallied from a 2-1 deficit to eliminate Cleveland.
"He quit," Gilbert said. "Not just in Game 5, but in Games 2, 4 and 6. Watch the tape. The Boston series was unlike anything in the history of sports for a superstar."
...
Gilbert said James never returned a single phone message or text since the end of the season and that the Cavs were not informed of James' decision until he went on the air"
Congratulations Dan Gilbert -- you've just made me a Cavaliers fan.
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
Well I couldn't have been more wrong about LeBron going to anywhere but Miami -- I just didn't think it was a realistic decision. Just like Bill Simmons said, I thought he was choosing between immortality (Knicks), winning (Bulls), and loyalty (Cavs).
I avoided all of the internet during and after the announcement until just right now. Imagine my delight to read the Dan Gilbert letter and then read the following quotes that he gave to the AP after the announcement:
"Gilbert, who posted a letter to Cavs fans on the team's website shortly after James announced his plans to sign with the Heat, told The Associated Press late Thursday night that it's "accountability time" for James.
"He has gotten a free pass," Gilbert said in a phone interview with The AP. "People have covered up for [James] for way too long. Tonight we saw who he really is."
...
Gilbert said James quit on the Cavs during their second-round series against the Boston Celtics, who rallied from a 2-1 deficit to eliminate Cleveland.
"He quit," Gilbert said. "Not just in Game 5, but in Games 2, 4 and 6. Watch the tape. The Boston series was unlike anything in the history of sports for a superstar."
...
Gilbert said James never returned a single phone message or text since the end of the season and that the Cavs were not informed of James' decision until he went on the air"
Congratulations Dan Gilbert -- you've just made me a Cavaliers fan.
I wonder how much Lebron's departure is going to cost Gilbert financially? That's the reason he's so pissed, Lebron is his meal ticket. The value of his franchise depreciates significantly without Lebron. I dig his anger though.
Just read it could be as much as 200 million. No wonder he's so pissed.
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Quote Originally Posted by ValueforRent:
I wonder how much Lebron's departure is going to cost Gilbert financially? That's the reason he's so pissed, Lebron is his meal ticket. The value of his franchise depreciates significantly without Lebron. I dig his anger though.
Just read it could be as much as 200 million. No wonder he's so pissed.
awwwwwwww poor dan gilbert, very bitter apples. such is life buddy. and you couldve been a bigger man and just kept your mouth shut. so i guess your both without class. good job lebron, now go win your ringssssssssss
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awwwwwwww poor dan gilbert, very bitter apples. such is life buddy. and you couldve been a bigger man and just kept your mouth shut. so i guess your both without class. good job lebron, now go win your ringssssssssss
James had to hear from the possible teams he could or wanted to go to and was forbidden to talk with those teams untill July 1. He went about that business in a professional manor, kept his mouth shut and weighed the options. What was classless about that? I do admit he should have called the Cavs personally before the announcement rather than an assisstant, but the results would still have been the same. The media hyped it, the media made this into the spectacle it was, not James. The people wanted it like a heroin fix.
His on court failure is another thing is a whole nother matter. Sure he tanked it, so did Kobe vs the Suns when Dr. Phil told him to pass the ball and rely on Smushy, Cook and Brown, so Kobe gave them the ball every time.
Are you kidding me? From James talking about his soon FA sweeps during the NBA playoffs to insisting on this big pub news conference. He is a media wh*re and proved it once again. He didn't need the big news conference if he wanted to handle it in a discrete manner he could have annouced it via press release and taken out a full page add in the CLE paper thanking the loyal fans. Nothing James did is indicative of class. You seem to forget that HE controls how the information gets out and not the over hyping media.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiderpug:
James had to hear from the possible teams he could or wanted to go to and was forbidden to talk with those teams untill July 1. He went about that business in a professional manor, kept his mouth shut and weighed the options. What was classless about that? I do admit he should have called the Cavs personally before the announcement rather than an assisstant, but the results would still have been the same. The media hyped it, the media made this into the spectacle it was, not James. The people wanted it like a heroin fix.
His on court failure is another thing is a whole nother matter. Sure he tanked it, so did Kobe vs the Suns when Dr. Phil told him to pass the ball and rely on Smushy, Cook and Brown, so Kobe gave them the ball every time.
Are you kidding me? From James talking about his soon FA sweeps during the NBA playoffs to insisting on this big pub news conference. He is a media wh*re and proved it once again. He didn't need the big news conference if he wanted to handle it in a discrete manner he could have annouced it via press release and taken out a full page add in the CLE paper thanking the loyal fans. Nothing James did is indicative of class. You seem to forget that HE controls how the information gets out and not the over hyping media.
Oh please the media goes along hand in hand with this kind of bull-****...whether it's Lebron, D.Patrick, or Kornikova it dont matter....They create these monsters only to destroy them at their choosing....Well guess what....This guy really is above all that BS...And really is the King of his sport.....Dont be mad at him.....Be mad at the society that you live in....Your nothign more than an enabler like the rest of us....Dont bring us that holyier than though bullcrap....This is the NBA....It's about stars...Not loyalty and TEAM play....You know that...
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Oh please the media goes along hand in hand with this kind of bull-****...whether it's Lebron, D.Patrick, or Kornikova it dont matter....They create these monsters only to destroy them at their choosing....Well guess what....This guy really is above all that BS...And really is the King of his sport.....Dont be mad at him.....Be mad at the society that you live in....Your nothign more than an enabler like the rest of us....Dont bring us that holyier than though bullcrap....This is the NBA....It's about stars...Not loyalty and TEAM play....You know that...
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