Not sure why you are unable to comprehend what we are saying...
Nobody is saying that the talent that the Orioles have in those young guys are not any good... I have never said that...Except for Felix Pie... Nobody is denying the talent that you have.
Maybe Skrimp the Oriole fan will get in here and set your ass straight..........
Your exact words were something along the line of the Orioles will never compete and the Red Sox and Yankees will always have the better players. You said the Orioles do not have the money and are a small market team.
You also said you would take Ellsbury over Adam Jones and laughed at me when I said he would be an All Star and Gold Glover for years to come, now I didnt think it would happen as quickly as last season but ti did.
You also said you would take Jd Drew and other right fielders including Alex Rios over Nick Markakis.
Just those 3 points prove you are unable to look at the Orioles in an unbias view.
The Red Sox will lose Beckett after this year, Papi is not a threat, and the Red Sox are aging along with the Yankees. The Rays are legit and will continue to get better and the Orioles are about 2 years behind the Rays in terms of development but they ahve the talent.
Then in 5 years watch out for the Blue Jays. They have a tremedous amount of pitching in their minors from the Halladay trade and they ahve 10 of the first 126 draft picks in the up coming draft. 4 in the top 38 and 7 in the top 80.
Whether you want to believe it or not the AL East is going to be a 4 team race year in and year out for the forseeable future. The Blue Jays might even make it a 5 team race depending on the moves they make over the next few seasons.
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Quote Originally Posted by Papi_4_MVP:
Not sure why you are unable to comprehend what we are saying...
Nobody is saying that the talent that the Orioles have in those young guys are not any good... I have never said that...Except for Felix Pie... Nobody is denying the talent that you have.
Maybe Skrimp the Oriole fan will get in here and set your ass straight..........
Your exact words were something along the line of the Orioles will never compete and the Red Sox and Yankees will always have the better players. You said the Orioles do not have the money and are a small market team.
You also said you would take Ellsbury over Adam Jones and laughed at me when I said he would be an All Star and Gold Glover for years to come, now I didnt think it would happen as quickly as last season but ti did.
You also said you would take Jd Drew and other right fielders including Alex Rios over Nick Markakis.
Just those 3 points prove you are unable to look at the Orioles in an unbias view.
The Red Sox will lose Beckett after this year, Papi is not a threat, and the Red Sox are aging along with the Yankees. The Rays are legit and will continue to get better and the Orioles are about 2 years behind the Rays in terms of development but they ahve the talent.
Then in 5 years watch out for the Blue Jays. They have a tremedous amount of pitching in their minors from the Halladay trade and they ahve 10 of the first 126 draft picks in the up coming draft. 4 in the top 38 and 7 in the top 80.
Whether you want to believe it or not the AL East is going to be a 4 team race year in and year out for the forseeable future. The Blue Jays might even make it a 5 team race depending on the moves they make over the next few seasons.
Your exact words were something along the line of the Orioles will never compete and the Red Sox and Yankees will always have the better players. You said the Orioles do not have the money and are a small market team.
You also said you would take Ellsbury over Adam Jones and laughed at me when I said he would be an All Star and Gold Glover for years to come, now I didnt think it would happen as quickly as last season but ti did.
You also said you would take Jd Drew and other right fielders including Alex Rios over Nick Markakis.
Just those 3 points prove you are unable to look at the Orioles in an unbias view.
The Red Sox will lose Beckett after this year, Papi is not a threat, and the Red Sox are aging along with the Yankees. The Rays are legit and will continue to get better and the Orioles are about 2 years behind the Rays in terms of development but they ahve the talent.
Then in 5 years watch out for the Blue Jays. They have a tremedous amount of pitching in their minors from the Halladay trade and they ahve 10 of the first 126 draft picks in the up coming draft. 4 in the top 38 and 7 in the top 80.
Whether you want to believe it or not the AL East is going to be a 4 team race year in and year out for the forseeable future. The Blue Jays might even make it a 5 team race depending on the moves they make over the next few seasons.
Why do you continue to make things up? I never said that JD Drew was better than Nick the stick. I hate Drew and think that he is the biggest waste of talent ever and money.
But most of the time when I talk to you on here I am fucking around with you......But the point is no matter how old the Red Sox and Yanks get (Which you are wrong about) they still have the money to get players.....Just think about how dumb you sound right now about the Red Sox ages. Go through their starting rotation and look at the ages... Elsbury, Pedy, Youk, Victor Martinez are all young...Papi is done and I hate the offseason pickups of Beltre and Cameron except for defensive purposes. I am very optimistic about this year coming up as I am not worried about pitching but am worried abotu hittting.
Just let me give you one great example of a team that has all the minor league talent in the world but cant get over the hump anymore.... The Atlanta Braves have all the minor league talent in the world but cant win anymore...
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Your exact words were something along the line of the Orioles will never compete and the Red Sox and Yankees will always have the better players. You said the Orioles do not have the money and are a small market team.
You also said you would take Ellsbury over Adam Jones and laughed at me when I said he would be an All Star and Gold Glover for years to come, now I didnt think it would happen as quickly as last season but ti did.
You also said you would take Jd Drew and other right fielders including Alex Rios over Nick Markakis.
Just those 3 points prove you are unable to look at the Orioles in an unbias view.
The Red Sox will lose Beckett after this year, Papi is not a threat, and the Red Sox are aging along with the Yankees. The Rays are legit and will continue to get better and the Orioles are about 2 years behind the Rays in terms of development but they ahve the talent.
Then in 5 years watch out for the Blue Jays. They have a tremedous amount of pitching in their minors from the Halladay trade and they ahve 10 of the first 126 draft picks in the up coming draft. 4 in the top 38 and 7 in the top 80.
Whether you want to believe it or not the AL East is going to be a 4 team race year in and year out for the forseeable future. The Blue Jays might even make it a 5 team race depending on the moves they make over the next few seasons.
Why do you continue to make things up? I never said that JD Drew was better than Nick the stick. I hate Drew and think that he is the biggest waste of talent ever and money.
But most of the time when I talk to you on here I am fucking around with you......But the point is no matter how old the Red Sox and Yanks get (Which you are wrong about) they still have the money to get players.....Just think about how dumb you sound right now about the Red Sox ages. Go through their starting rotation and look at the ages... Elsbury, Pedy, Youk, Victor Martinez are all young...Papi is done and I hate the offseason pickups of Beltre and Cameron except for defensive purposes. I am very optimistic about this year coming up as I am not worried about pitching but am worried abotu hittting.
Just let me give you one great example of a team that has all the minor league talent in the world but cant get over the hump anymore.... The Atlanta Braves have all the minor league talent in the world but cant win anymore...
Javier Vazquez will be this years biggest surprise
Doubt it. Javy is not in the inferior league anymore. Back in the big boy's league and he will revert to NYY and White Sox form. Decent numbers with Chicago but could not win any meaningful games. Ozzie had it right when he said Javy was "weak."
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Quote Originally Posted by stevebaily6:
Javier Vazquez will be this years biggest surprise
Doubt it. Javy is not in the inferior league anymore. Back in the big boy's league and he will revert to NYY and White Sox form. Decent numbers with Chicago but could not win any meaningful games. Ozzie had it right when he said Javy was "weak."
O lord I feel a novel coming up from you know who Sparky
Nah...all I have to say is he keeps talking about "if" he does this. "If he is consistant". "If he can get out of the 1st unscathed". "If he can start the way he finishes".
Well...IF AJ Burnett's curveball is on...he can pitch a no hitter. But we have to go by what they do...not what CAN they do.
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Quote Originally Posted by Papi_4_MVP:
O lord I feel a novel coming up from you know who Sparky
Nah...all I have to say is he keeps talking about "if" he does this. "If he is consistant". "If he can get out of the 1st unscathed". "If he can start the way he finishes".
Well...IF AJ Burnett's curveball is on...he can pitch a no hitter. But we have to go by what they do...not what CAN they do.
I didn't read much but the Adam Jones comment was me...not Papi. Just in his defense.
And hey...lets just sum this up.
The Orioles have a talented farm system. We get it. But aren't the Red Sox in the top 5 too? If you are going by farm systems...the Red Sox will still compete while having more money than the Orioles AND having a talented young core coming up in years to come. So while the young guys even out...the Red Sox still have the extra money to go after that ACE like Lackey to add to their rotation.
As for the Yankees...they will simply buy all the other top prospects from other teams in years to come. Just like Carl Crawford next season. By the time Jeter is done...they'll either have another guy who will do his work from the farm system OR they will get another star shortstop. It's how it works. You said it before...nobody can outbid the Yanks. And when they offer $20 million more than any other team...they can get whoever they want. It's just how it works.
While the Orioles work their way to competiton...the Yanks and Red Sox will always have the resources to get all-star caliber athletes.
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I didn't read much but the Adam Jones comment was me...not Papi. Just in his defense.
And hey...lets just sum this up.
The Orioles have a talented farm system. We get it. But aren't the Red Sox in the top 5 too? If you are going by farm systems...the Red Sox will still compete while having more money than the Orioles AND having a talented young core coming up in years to come. So while the young guys even out...the Red Sox still have the extra money to go after that ACE like Lackey to add to their rotation.
As for the Yankees...they will simply buy all the other top prospects from other teams in years to come. Just like Carl Crawford next season. By the time Jeter is done...they'll either have another guy who will do his work from the farm system OR they will get another star shortstop. It's how it works. You said it before...nobody can outbid the Yanks. And when they offer $20 million more than any other team...they can get whoever they want. It's just how it works.
While the Orioles work their way to competiton...the Yanks and Red Sox will always have the resources to get all-star caliber athletes.
And jpero...I'm still waiting on response from my post in the Bergesen thread.
There is no point in arguing with you jpero. You obviously know more about baseball than I do. You know more about minor league systems, organizations and scouting exactly what players do, than I do.
But what I try to say time and time again...if the Orioles don't make the playoffs in the next few years...what good is your prediction. Lets say the O's don't make the playoffs in the next decade, but they are over .500 each year...what exactly does that mean to you? Now this is hypothetical thinking, but would you be satisfied with that? If the answer is yes, then there really isn't any point in arguing with you. But if the answer is no, how many years exactly are you giving them to make it. 2 years? 5 years? 7 years? How many? I already know your definition of a contender. I just want to know if you're content with being a contender for the next decade, or if you need to see a playoff appearance within whatever timespan you have chosen.
This is in no way trash talk...it's just questions I would like to have answered so I know what YOU are looking at in coming years.
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And jpero...I'm still waiting on response from my post in the Bergesen thread.
There is no point in arguing with you jpero. You obviously know more about baseball than I do. You know more about minor league systems, organizations and scouting exactly what players do, than I do.
But what I try to say time and time again...if the Orioles don't make the playoffs in the next few years...what good is your prediction. Lets say the O's don't make the playoffs in the next decade, but they are over .500 each year...what exactly does that mean to you? Now this is hypothetical thinking, but would you be satisfied with that? If the answer is yes, then there really isn't any point in arguing with you. But if the answer is no, how many years exactly are you giving them to make it. 2 years? 5 years? 7 years? How many? I already know your definition of a contender. I just want to know if you're content with being a contender for the next decade, or if you need to see a playoff appearance within whatever timespan you have chosen.
This is in no way trash talk...it's just questions I would like to have answered so I know what YOU are looking at in coming years.
And jpero...I'm still waiting on response from my post in the Bergesen thread.
There is no point in arguing with you jpero. You obviously know more about baseball than I do. You know more about minor league systems, organizations and scouting exactly what players do, than I do.
But what I try to say time and time again...if the Orioles don't make the playoffs in the next few years...what good is your prediction. Lets say the O's don't make the playoffs in the next decade, but they are over .500 each year...what exactly does that mean to you? Now this is hypothetical thinking, but would you be satisfied with that? If the answer is yes, then there really isn't any point in arguing with you. But if the answer is no, how many years exactly are you giving them to make it. 2 years? 5 years? 7 years? How many? I already know your definition of a contender. I just want to know if you're content with being a contender for the next decade, or if you need to see a playoff appearance within whatever timespan you have chosen.
This is in no way trash talk...it's just questions I would like to have answered so I know what YOU are looking at in coming years.
I've answered this before. I have said I believe the AL East will be so competitive that the winner will be right around 90 games. There will be no 100 game winners and the winner could very well end up somewhere between 86-90 wins.
So if the Orioles are consistently winning 81-90 games a year (like I expect them to over the course fo the next 5 years) then they will always be in contention and have an opportunity at the playoffs. Making the playoffs once or twice in teh next 5 years would be a success.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
And jpero...I'm still waiting on response from my post in the Bergesen thread.
There is no point in arguing with you jpero. You obviously know more about baseball than I do. You know more about minor league systems, organizations and scouting exactly what players do, than I do.
But what I try to say time and time again...if the Orioles don't make the playoffs in the next few years...what good is your prediction. Lets say the O's don't make the playoffs in the next decade, but they are over .500 each year...what exactly does that mean to you? Now this is hypothetical thinking, but would you be satisfied with that? If the answer is yes, then there really isn't any point in arguing with you. But if the answer is no, how many years exactly are you giving them to make it. 2 years? 5 years? 7 years? How many? I already know your definition of a contender. I just want to know if you're content with being a contender for the next decade, or if you need to see a playoff appearance within whatever timespan you have chosen.
This is in no way trash talk...it's just questions I would like to have answered so I know what YOU are looking at in coming years.
I've answered this before. I have said I believe the AL East will be so competitive that the winner will be right around 90 games. There will be no 100 game winners and the winner could very well end up somewhere between 86-90 wins.
So if the Orioles are consistently winning 81-90 games a year (like I expect them to over the course fo the next 5 years) then they will always be in contention and have an opportunity at the playoffs. Making the playoffs once or twice in teh next 5 years would be a success.
I've answered this before. I have said I believe the AL East will be so competitive that the winner will be right around 90 games. There will be no 100 game winners and the winner could very well end up somewhere between 86-90 wins.
So if the Orioles are consistently winning 81-90 games a year (like I expect them to over the course fo the next 5 years) then they will always be in contention and have an opportunity at the playoffs. Making the playoffs once or twice in teh next 5 years would be a success.
Alright then.
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
I've answered this before. I have said I believe the AL East will be so competitive that the winner will be right around 90 games. There will be no 100 game winners and the winner could very well end up somewhere between 86-90 wins.
So if the Orioles are consistently winning 81-90 games a year (like I expect them to over the course fo the next 5 years) then they will always be in contention and have an opportunity at the playoffs. Making the playoffs once or twice in teh next 5 years would be a success.
Lets get this back on track, we went from potential breakout candidates to overacheiving established bums who are on the downslide (Vasquez, Millwood), to a Baltimore Orioles debate?!
I can see Jeremy Sowers winning 20 games this year!
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Lets get this back on track, we went from potential breakout candidates to overacheiving established bums who are on the downslide (Vasquez, Millwood), to a Baltimore Orioles debate?!
I can see Jeremy Sowers winning 20 games this year!
Javier Vazquez will be this years biggest surprise
You're kidding, right? The idea of this thread would be to find guys who would be underpriced, maybe even underdogs, but would win a lot of games.
No one for the Yankees is ever underpriced. They are a pretty big favorite even when Gaudin or Mitre starts.
You'll never find significant value betting the Yankees, and that's what this thread was looking for.
I'll add a name to the mix. Randy Wells of the Cubs. Had a very solid rookie year this year, and I think the Cub offense will be improved this year (expect a bounceback by Soto, among other things) and the bullpen will stablize as I think Marmol has finally put it together and will be an ace closer. So if Wells pitches reasonably well like he did last year, the Cubs should win a good % of his games, and I think he still has very little name recognition among bettors.
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Quote Originally Posted by stevebaily6:
Javier Vazquez will be this years biggest surprise
You're kidding, right? The idea of this thread would be to find guys who would be underpriced, maybe even underdogs, but would win a lot of games.
No one for the Yankees is ever underpriced. They are a pretty big favorite even when Gaudin or Mitre starts.
You'll never find significant value betting the Yankees, and that's what this thread was looking for.
I'll add a name to the mix. Randy Wells of the Cubs. Had a very solid rookie year this year, and I think the Cub offense will be improved this year (expect a bounceback by Soto, among other things) and the bullpen will stablize as I think Marmol has finally put it together and will be an ace closer. So if Wells pitches reasonably well like he did last year, the Cubs should win a good % of his games, and I think he still has very little name recognition among bettors.
Lets get this back on track, we went from potential breakout candidates to overacheiving established bums who are on the downslide (Vasquez, Millwood), to a Baltimore Orioles debate?!
I can see Jeremy Sowers winning 20 games this year!
Thanks, Shelby!
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Quote Originally Posted by shelbyxjackson:
Lets get this back on track, we went from potential breakout candidates to overacheiving established bums who are on the downslide (Vasquez, Millwood), to a Baltimore Orioles debate?!
I can see Jeremy Sowers winning 20 games this year!
I was just kidding about Sowers. But mabye Dan Hudson of the White Sox if he can crack the rotation in spring training or whenever he gets a chance, he's got potential to be really good.
Wells I'm not convinced about, but his numbers were decent last year. Scott Baker is already established as a good pitcher and probably the best on the Twins.
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I was just kidding about Sowers. But mabye Dan Hudson of the White Sox if he can crack the rotation in spring training or whenever he gets a chance, he's got potential to be really good.
Wells I'm not convinced about, but his numbers were decent last year. Scott Baker is already established as a good pitcher and probably the best on the Twins.
Marcum doesn't have front of the rotation stuff. He benefited from playing in front of a very very very good defense. Now that Rolen, Rios and likely Overbay at some point this season are gone the Jays pitching stats are gonna take a hit.
The guy you wanna look out for if he's healthy is Dustin McGowan. A lot of question marks surrounding that shoulder though.
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Marcum doesn't have front of the rotation stuff. He benefited from playing in front of a very very very good defense. Now that Rolen, Rios and likely Overbay at some point this season are gone the Jays pitching stats are gonna take a hit.
The guy you wanna look out for if he's healthy is Dustin McGowan. A lot of question marks surrounding that shoulder though.
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