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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2024 - 6:28 PM ET #1

    The link below is an MLB bullpen rating and betting systems specific to the pen effective 15 April. It is by Steve Makinen and VSIN. I wish I would have had this info 2 nights ago when the bullpens of the LAA and the Rays imploded late to send the game 'over' the total. I will keep the ratings updated inside this thread. Please feel free to add information pertinent to the bullpens in MLB. Here you go!

    MLB Bullpen Betting System Update - VSiN

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    The link below is an MLB bullpen rating and betting systems specific to the pen effective 15 April. It is by Steve Makinen and VSIN. I wish I would have had this info 2 nights ago when the bullpens of the LAA and the Rays imploded late to send the game 'over' the total. I will keep the ratings updated inside this thread. Please feel free to add information pertinent to the bullpens in MLB. Here you go!

    MLB Bullpen Betting System Update - VSiN

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2024 - 8:14 PM ET #2

    How do factor in manger error! Take Toronto not using its closer Romano instead they go with Swanson for his first appearance this year? Bingo …losing move Schneider…! Systems & trend can change at a drop of a dime or the day you start using one. There not for me at least but Gl2u 

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    How do factor in manger error! Take Toronto not using its closer Romano instead they go with Swanson for his first appearance this year? Bingo …losing move Schneider…! Systems & trend can change at a drop of a dime or the day you start using one. There not for me at least but Gl2u 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    How do factor in manger error! Take Toronto not using its closer Romano instead they go with Swanson for his first appearance this year? Bingo …losing move Schneider…! Systems & trend can change at a drop of a dime or the day you start using one. There not for me at least but Gl2u

     

    That is why it is called gambling. From a gambling point of view. It can be argued that bullpens are more important than the starting pitcher. A complete game in MLB is 7 innings leaving 2 innings for a bad bullpen to ruin a great outing by the starting pitcher. We no longer have Gibson vs Jenkins going 9 dominating innings against each other. Btw That great pitching matchup usually lasted just a little over 2 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    How do factor in manger error! Take Toronto not using its closer Romano instead they go with Swanson for his first appearance this year? Bingo …losing move Schneider…! Systems & trend can change at a drop of a dime or the day you start using one. There not for me at least but Gl2u

     

    That is why it is called gambling. From a gambling point of view. It can be argued that bullpens are more important than the starting pitcher. A complete game in MLB is 7 innings leaving 2 innings for a bad bullpen to ruin a great outing by the starting pitcher. We no longer have Gibson vs Jenkins going 9 dominating innings against each other. Btw That great pitching matchup usually lasted just a little over 2 hours.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2024 - 9:09 PM ET #4

    thanks for the information....peace_5......also by the way joe pockets "manager error" gave me a laugh...

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    thanks for the information....peace_5......also by the way joe pockets "manager error" gave me a laugh...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333:

    thanks for the information..........also by the way joe pockets "manager error" gave me a laugh...

    Me too! peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333:

    thanks for the information..........also by the way joe pockets "manager error" gave me a laugh...

    Me too! peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2024 - 2:25 PM ET #6

    The following is the 1st bullpen update this year to include the article from Steve Makinen and VSIN. Good info and good read!

    MLB Bullpen Systems: Streaking Teams Heat Up - VSiN

    Key Bullpen Stats (through games of Sunday, 4/21)

    Top 5 Bullpen ERAs
    1. DETROIT: 1.65
    2. CLEVELAND: 2.11
    3. SEATTLE: 2.69
    4. MINNESOTA: 2.84
    5. NY METS: 2.95

    Worst 5 Bullpen ERAs
    30. PHILADELPHIA: 5.78
    29. SAN FRANCISCO: 5.56
    28. HOUSTON: 5.36
    27. TAMPA BAY: 5.34
    26. MIAMI: 5.3

    Top 5 Bullpen WHIPs
    1. DETROIT: 1
    2. CLEVELAND: 1.03
    3. SEATTLE: 1.04
    4. MILWAUKEE: 1.06
    5. NY METS: 1.15

    Worst 5 Bullpen WHIPs
    30. COLORADO: 1.65
    29. PHILADELPHIA: 1.57
    28. MIAMI: 1.56
    27. TAMPA BAY: 1.53
    26. HOUSTON: 1.52

    Top 5 Bullpen Ks/9 innings
    1. MINNESOTA: 11.59
    2. NY METS: 11.19
    3. CLEVELAND: 10.58
    4. PITTSBURGH: 10.12
    5. ST. LOUIS: 10.04

    Worst 5 Bullpen Ks/9 innings
    30. NY YANKEES: 6.94
    29. ARIZONA: 7.13
    28. KANSAS CITY: 7.16
    27. COLORADO: 7.54
    26. SAN DIEGO: 7.91

    Top 5 Bullpen Last 7 Games WHIPs
    1. SEATTLE: 0.84
    2. DETROIT: 0.84
    3. NY METS: 0.87
    4. ATLANTA: 0.89
    5. CLEVELAND: 0.91

    Worst 5 Bullpen Last 7 Games WHIPs
    30. PHILADELPHIA: 2.16
    29. HOUSTON: 1.92
    28. WASHINGTON: 1.66
    27. BALTIMORE: 1.63
    26. ARIZONA: 1.6

    I use a manual process of analyzing daily box scores to build my Bullpen Power Ratings. In most cases, the end number is a reflection of the stats listed above with great consideration also given to overall talent, injuries, and momentum.

    Biggest upward movers (PR points)
    1. MILWAUKEE: +8 points
    2. KANSAS CITY: +7
    3. SEATTLE: +6
    4. NY METS: +5

    Biggest downward movers (PR points)
    1. ARIZONA: -9 points
    2. HOUSTON: -8
    3. MINNESOTA: -7
    4. NY YANKEES: -6
    4. BALTIMORE: -6

    Rank – Team – Bullpen PR
    1. CLEVELAND: 21
    2. SEATTLE: 20
    3. MILWAUKEE: 19
    4. ATLANTA: 18
    5. LA DODGERS: 15
    6. DETROIT: 15
    7. NY METS: 14
    8. MINNESOTA: 13
    9. NY YANKEES: 10
    10. BALTIMORE: 10
    11. SAN DIEGO: 10
    12. TAMPA BAY: 7
    13. ST. LOUIS: 7
    14. PHILADELPHIA: 6
    15. KANSAS CITY: 5
    16. OAKLAND: 5
    17. CHICAGO CUBS: 4
    18. ARIZONA: 4
    19. LA ANGELS: 4
    20. SAN FRANCISCO: 3
    21. HOUSTON: 2
    22. CINCINNATI: 2
    23. PITTSBURGH: 1
    24. WASHINGTON: 1
    25. TORONTO: -1
    26. BOSTON: -4
    27. MIAMI: -4
    28. CHICAGO WHITE SOX: -4
    29. TEXAS: -5
    30. COLORADO: -12

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    The following is the 1st bullpen update this year to include the article from Steve Makinen and VSIN. Good info and good read!

    MLB Bullpen Systems: Streaking Teams Heat Up - VSiN

    Key Bullpen Stats (through games of Sunday, 4/21)

    Top 5 Bullpen ERAs
    1. DETROIT: 1.65
    2. CLEVELAND: 2.11
    3. SEATTLE: 2.69
    4. MINNESOTA: 2.84
    5. NY METS: 2.95

    Worst 5 Bullpen ERAs
    30. PHILADELPHIA: 5.78
    29. SAN FRANCISCO: 5.56
    28. HOUSTON: 5.36
    27. TAMPA BAY: 5.34
    26. MIAMI: 5.3

    Top 5 Bullpen WHIPs
    1. DETROIT: 1
    2. CLEVELAND: 1.03
    3. SEATTLE: 1.04
    4. MILWAUKEE: 1.06
    5. NY METS: 1.15

    Worst 5 Bullpen WHIPs
    30. COLORADO: 1.65
    29. PHILADELPHIA: 1.57
    28. MIAMI: 1.56
    27. TAMPA BAY: 1.53
    26. HOUSTON: 1.52

    Top 5 Bullpen Ks/9 innings
    1. MINNESOTA: 11.59
    2. NY METS: 11.19
    3. CLEVELAND: 10.58
    4. PITTSBURGH: 10.12
    5. ST. LOUIS: 10.04

    Worst 5 Bullpen Ks/9 innings
    30. NY YANKEES: 6.94
    29. ARIZONA: 7.13
    28. KANSAS CITY: 7.16
    27. COLORADO: 7.54
    26. SAN DIEGO: 7.91

    Top 5 Bullpen Last 7 Games WHIPs
    1. SEATTLE: 0.84
    2. DETROIT: 0.84
    3. NY METS: 0.87
    4. ATLANTA: 0.89
    5. CLEVELAND: 0.91

    Worst 5 Bullpen Last 7 Games WHIPs
    30. PHILADELPHIA: 2.16
    29. HOUSTON: 1.92
    28. WASHINGTON: 1.66
    27. BALTIMORE: 1.63
    26. ARIZONA: 1.6

    I use a manual process of analyzing daily box scores to build my Bullpen Power Ratings. In most cases, the end number is a reflection of the stats listed above with great consideration also given to overall talent, injuries, and momentum.

    Biggest upward movers (PR points)
    1. MILWAUKEE: +8 points
    2. KANSAS CITY: +7
    3. SEATTLE: +6
    4. NY METS: +5

    Biggest downward movers (PR points)
    1. ARIZONA: -9 points
    2. HOUSTON: -8
    3. MINNESOTA: -7
    4. NY YANKEES: -6
    4. BALTIMORE: -6

    Rank – Team – Bullpen PR
    1. CLEVELAND: 21
    2. SEATTLE: 20
    3. MILWAUKEE: 19
    4. ATLANTA: 18
    5. LA DODGERS: 15
    6. DETROIT: 15
    7. NY METS: 14
    8. MINNESOTA: 13
    9. NY YANKEES: 10
    10. BALTIMORE: 10
    11. SAN DIEGO: 10
    12. TAMPA BAY: 7
    13. ST. LOUIS: 7
    14. PHILADELPHIA: 6
    15. KANSAS CITY: 5
    16. OAKLAND: 5
    17. CHICAGO CUBS: 4
    18. ARIZONA: 4
    19. LA ANGELS: 4
    20. SAN FRANCISCO: 3
    21. HOUSTON: 2
    22. CINCINNATI: 2
    23. PITTSBURGH: 1
    24. WASHINGTON: 1
    25. TORONTO: -1
    26. BOSTON: -4
    27. MIAMI: -4
    28. CHICAGO WHITE SOX: -4
    29. TEXAS: -5
    30. COLORADO: -12

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2024 - 2:47 PM ET #7

    Thanks for the stats and infopeace_5

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    Thanks for the stats and infopeace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2024 - 2:57 PM ET #8

    Nice info peace_5peaceclover

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    Nice info peace_5peaceclover

     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2024 - 3:07 PM ET #9

    Very nice. Thanks

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    Very nice. Thanks

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2024 - 4:44 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by umgmu:

    Thanks for the stats and info

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    Nice info

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    Very nice. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by umgmu:

    Thanks for the stats and info

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    Nice info

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    Very nice. Thanks

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    Very good stuff. peace_5

    Bullpens and relievers are far, far more important than ever before because of how quickly the starters are pulled nowadays. an_cheers

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    Very good stuff. peace_5

    Bullpens and relievers are far, far more important than ever before because of how quickly the starters are pulled nowadays. an_cheers

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2024 - 4:34 PM ET #13

    The link below is an updated bullpen ranking from Covers.com    Cubs bullpen seriously imploding in the top of the 8th vs Milwaukee. 4 stolen bases by the Brewers!

    MLB Team Bullpen Stats 2024 - ERA, WHIP, Saves & More (covers.com)

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    The link below is an updated bullpen ranking from Covers.com    Cubs bullpen seriously imploding in the top of the 8th vs Milwaukee. 4 stolen bases by the Brewers!

    MLB Team Bullpen Stats 2024 - ERA, WHIP, Saves & More (covers.com)

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2024 - 7:40 PM ET #14

    The link below is the updated bullpen ratings from Steve Makinen and VSIN.

    MLB Bullpen Systems Update - VSiN

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    The link below is the updated bullpen ratings from Steve Makinen and VSIN.

    MLB Bullpen Systems Update - VSiN

     
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    Thanks for posting this...an interesting read. I'll just sit back and watch how it does for this season.

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    Thanks for posting this...an interesting read. I'll just sit back and watch how it does for this season.

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2024 - 9:57 AM ET #17

    Possible to post the picks in this thread? A little hard to follow the system with all the conditions it lists. 

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    Possible to post the picks in this thread? A little hard to follow the system with all the conditions it lists. 

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2024 - 5:25 PM ET #18

    This thread got buried.

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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2024 - 4:48 AM ET #19

    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen rating effective 3 June. 

    MLB Bullpen Betting Systems Update for Week of June 3 - VSiN

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    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen rating effective 3 June. 

    MLB Bullpen Betting Systems Update for Week of June 3 - VSiN

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2024 - 4:30 AM ET #20

    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen rankings effective 17 June.

    MLB Bullpen System Update for the week of June 17 - VSiN

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    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen rankings effective 17 June.

    MLB Bullpen System Update for the week of June 17 - VSiN

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2024 - 6:40 AM ET #21

    Handy info. an_cheers

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    Handy info. an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2024 - 8:51 AM ET #22

    $undance can u post the plays Thanxs, am a ole lady to much info to absurb at my agean_wink

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    $undance can u post the plays Thanxs, am a ole lady to much info to absurb at my agean_wink

     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2024 - 4:38 AM ET #23

    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen info as of 5 August. Good read and info!

    MLB Bullpen Betting System Update for Week of August 5 - VSiN

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    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen info as of 5 August. Good read and info!

    MLB Bullpen Betting System Update for Week of August 5 - VSiN

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2024 - 6:11 PM ET #24

    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen info effective 19 August from VSIN and Steve Makinen.

    MLB Bullpen Betting System Update for Week of August 19 - VSiN

     

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    Inside the link below is the updated bullpen info effective 19 August from VSIN and Steve Makinen.

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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2025 - 12:02 PM ET #25

    The link below is the 1st 2025 bullpen update from Steve Makinen and VSIN. Good luck, sd

    MLB Bullpen Betting Systems Update for April 7 - VSiN

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    The link below is the 1st 2025 bullpen update from Steve Makinen and VSIN. Good luck, sd

    MLB Bullpen Betting Systems Update for April 7 - VSiN

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