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#76
Quote Originally Posted by LasVegasLord:
Agreed my friend.
Agreed my friend.
Yup, LVL. And as of this post, it's not even that close.
Congrats on your POM. 
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Best pitcher right now in the majors = Jair Jurrjens
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#77
Quote Originally Posted by jstnhnsly:
all i gotta say is all this talk about jurrjens and none of you donkeys seem to realize cliff lee and justin verlander are both pitching better than jj RIGHT NOW this is too funny and you people are sports analisysts get real
all i gotta say is all this talk about jurrjens and none of you donkeys seem to realize cliff lee and justin verlander are both pitching better than jj RIGHT NOW this is too funny and you people are sports analisysts get real
Like I said: If you wanted to do just for the month of June…sure. If, however, we are talking about the whole season so far…
11-3 w/ 1.89 ERA vs. 9-5 w/ 2.66 ERA
… not so much.
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Posted:
#79
Quote Originally Posted by DumbWalrus:
CLIFF LEE, RYAN VOGELSONG AND MATT CAIN say LOL.
CLIFF LEE, RYAN VOGELSONG AND MATT CAIN say LOL.
Cliff Lee, even though he had an insane June, still is sitting at a 9-5 record w/ a 2.66 ERA. Great numbers no doubt, but it’s no 11-3 w/ a 1.89 ERA.
Ryan Vogelsong: good numbers but is not qualified.
Matt Cain has a 7-4 record with the 25th lowest ERA. I’m not quite sure why he is even being discussed at this point.
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Posted:
#81
Jair Jurrjens will enter the All Star break with a 12-3 record and a 1.87 ERA.
Only 3 times in the past 20 seasons a major league pitcher entered the All Star break with 12 or more wins and an ERA below 2.00.
Those pitchers were:
Randy Johnson 2000
Greg Maddux 1998
Roger Clemens 1997
Johnson and Clemens won the Cy Young those seasons.
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Posted:
#86
he would never be close to 12 wins if it wasnt for his amazing bullpen
im not sayhing he isnt great but lets chill with the best pitcher in the majors.
he is #1 in era yet he is around #30 in ip and has 12 wins...goes to show you his bullpen got his back...now if we are talking about halladay and lee....
im not sayhing he isnt great but lets chill with the best pitcher in the majors.
he is #1 in era yet he is around #30 in ip and has 12 wins...goes to show you his bullpen got his back...now if we are talking about halladay and lee....
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Posted:
#87
Quote Originally Posted by TailingYou:
he would never be close to 12 wins if it wasnt for his amazing bullpen
im not sayhing he isnt great but lets chill with the best pitcher in the majors.
he is #1 in era yet he is around #30 in ip and has 12 wins...goes to show you his bullpen got his back...now if we are talking about halladay and lee....
He started the year on the DL. Missed at least 2 starts maybe 3. Yes the pen is great.
he would never be close to 12 wins if it wasnt for his amazing bullpen
im not sayhing he isnt great but lets chill with the best pitcher in the majors.
he is #1 in era yet he is around #30 in ip and has 12 wins...goes to show you his bullpen got his back...now if we are talking about halladay and lee....
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Posted:
#88
yeah he's been very good, but until he puts up 30 consecutive good starts..im nowhere close to considering him the best in baseball...he has nasty stuff that moves a lot, doesnt strike out a lot of guys but hitters don't often get good wood on him...after the all star break i expect him to slow down a bit and that era to rise a bit
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Posted:
#90
Quote Originally Posted by TailingYou:
he would never be close to 12 wins if it wasnt for his amazing bullpen
im not sayhing he isnt great but lets chill with the best pitcher in the majors.
he is #1 in era yet he is around #30 in ip and has 12 wins...goes to show you his bullpen got his back...now if we are talking about halladay and lee....
he would never be close to 12 wins if it wasnt for his amazing bullpen
im not sayhing he isnt great but lets chill with the best pitcher in the majors.
he is #1 in era yet he is around #30 in ip and has 12 wins...goes to show you his bullpen got his back...now if we are talking about halladay and lee....
Last I checked the Phillies bullpen wasn’t too shabby and they also have a better offense.
I can recall multiple times Halladay has been in line for a loss and the Phillies scored multiple runs in the 9th or later to get him off the hook.
I can’t recall a single time that’s happened to JJ.
Judging from your post you are probably ignorant to this, but Jurrjens started the season on the DL. He should be penalized for not pitching as many innings as the guys that have two or more starts than he does?
IF you want to be fair about it:
Jair Jurrjens is averaging 7 IP per start
Cliff Lee is averaging 7 IP per start
Cole Hamals is averaging 7 IP per start
Roy Halladay is averaging 7 2/3 IP per start
Of course that’s just IF you wanted to be fair about it. 
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Posted:
#95
Quote Originally Posted by philthy15:
really dude? cool story. it's the FIRST time I have said it tho. and it's not wishful thinking because it will happen. (he's not that good)
Your anger and frustration is understandable. Pretty much all the “experts” told you your team would win the NL East with ease, but no matter how many games you win, the Braves keep right on your heels.
Also you were told that you had one of the best pitching staffs in the history of the sport, yet a team with half your payroll has virtually the same, if not better, numbers.
Lighten up, Francis. All that hate is going to burn you up. 
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Posted:
#97
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Cliff Lee, even though he had an insane June, still is sitting at a 9-5 record w/ a 2.66 ERA. Great numbers no doubt, but it’s no 11-3 w/ a 1.89 ERA.
Ryan Vogelsong: good numbers but is not qualified.
Matt Cain has a 7-4 record with the 25th lowest ERA. I’m not quite sure why he is even being discussed at this point.
look at lees strike out to walk ratio.
no doubt JJ is having a really nice year. easily gonna be a 20 game winner and his era is sick !
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Posted:
#99
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Your anger and frustration is understandable. Pretty much all the “experts” told you your team would win the NL East with ease, but no matter how many games you win, the Braves keep right on your heels.
Also you were told that you had one of the best pitching staffs in the history of the sport, yet a team with half your payroll has virtually the same, if not better, numbers.
Lighten up, Francis. All that hate is going to burn you up.
first of all the experts didn't tell me anything. i already know the phillies are the best team in baseball. funny thing is phils NEVER have division leads this time of year and ALWAYS hit their stride in late august. happens every year where the braves fans talk shit throughout the summer but don't fret your team will soon drift away into obscurity. 
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