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    JULY STOCK TALK IV

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    claycourtlesson
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 4:44 AM ET #1

    As Wang Chung, 80s band, once said:
     
    "Everybody have fun tonight."
     
    Wooooahhhhh, Nellie, today's gonna' be a doozie.  If no one tells any lies today (hahahahahaha), then today could be the flushdown day we so desperately need.
     
    I hope no one is too long going in to today, and I damn sure hope everyone here has managed risk and has cash available.
     
    Today is going to be ugly.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    As Wang Chung, 80s band, once said:
     
    "Everybody have fun tonight."
     
    Wooooahhhhh, Nellie, today's gonna' be a doozie.  If no one tells any lies today (hahahahahaha), then today could be the flushdown day we so desperately need.
     
    I hope no one is too long going in to today, and I damn sure hope everyone here has managed risk and has cash available.
     
    Today is going to be ugly.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 5:18 AM ET #2

    You plan on going long if market down big?
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    You plan on going long if market down big?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 7:31 AM ET #3

    bernanke's testimony should be great

    senate idiots who know less about economics than i do will be grilling him...bear mkt, election year, oil up, dollar down


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    bernanke's testimony should be great

    senate idiots who know less about economics than i do will be grilling him...bear mkt, election year, oil up, dollar down


     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 10:06 AM ET #4

    straight down down down....
     
    i wonder how many people have lost money the last few days thinking "it has to bounce up because its gone down too fast"
     
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    straight down down down....
     
    i wonder how many people have lost money the last few days thinking "it has to bounce up because its gone down too fast"
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 10:18 AM ET #5


     SKF now at 207 and climbing...

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     SKF now at 207 and climbing...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 10:43 AM ET #6


     Ackman is and has been right on the entities concerned.I know people have their own opinions of anyone short anything.But the reality is he has been warning correctly of this mess for years...

    And surprise a case of convenient memory from a fool politician now charged with solving what he helped create.The same guy who did not know an escort service was being run from his condo. From the WSJ...

    If there's one decision that is being second-guessed, it's the 1992 legislation that created the companies' regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, or Ofheo. In the 1992 debate, Ofheo came away with fairly weak powers, and capital requirements for the companies were set very low. (Congress is now putting the final touches on legislation creating a much stronger regulator with powers to raise their capital requirements -- a bit late, critics say.)

    Lobbyists from the companies are said to have strongly influenced the 1992 legislation, particularly in the House Banking Committee, whose chairman then was Rep. Henry Gonzalez, a Texas Democrat. Critics of the companies say that Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.), the current chairman of the committee, also helped put forth the companies' arguments.

    Mr. Frank now is widely regarded as a strong voice for tougher regulation. "I've been a supporter of their role in housing, but I've been pushing for some time to improve the regulation," he said in a telephone interview on Monday. As for the legislation in the early 1990s, he said he doesn't recall being involved in weakening it.



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     Ackman is and has been right on the entities concerned.I know people have their own opinions of anyone short anything.But the reality is he has been warning correctly of this mess for years...

    And surprise a case of convenient memory from a fool politician now charged with solving what he helped create.The same guy who did not know an escort service was being run from his condo. From the WSJ...

    If there's one decision that is being second-guessed, it's the 1992 legislation that created the companies' regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, or Ofheo. In the 1992 debate, Ofheo came away with fairly weak powers, and capital requirements for the companies were set very low. (Congress is now putting the final touches on legislation creating a much stronger regulator with powers to raise their capital requirements -- a bit late, critics say.)

    Lobbyists from the companies are said to have strongly influenced the 1992 legislation, particularly in the House Banking Committee, whose chairman then was Rep. Henry Gonzalez, a Texas Democrat. Critics of the companies say that Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.), the current chairman of the committee, also helped put forth the companies' arguments.

    Mr. Frank now is widely regarded as a strong voice for tougher regulation. "I've been a supporter of their role in housing, but I've been pushing for some time to improve the regulation," he said in a telephone interview on Monday. As for the legislation in the early 1990s, he said he doesn't recall being involved in weakening it.



     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 11:08 AM ET #7

    Surprising mid-morning reversal...
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    Surprising mid-morning reversal...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 11:50 AM ET #8

    didn't last long
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    didn't last long
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 12:05 PM ET #9

    Any reason for the sell off in oil and nat gas so far today?
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    Any reason for the sell off in oil and nat gas so far today?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 4:16 PM ET #10

    This summer trading is completely out of control.

    Moves from low to high to low are unreal.


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    This summer trading is completely out of control.

    Moves from low to high to low are unreal.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 5:17 PM ET #11

    Yep, another ugly, ugly, ugly day.
     
    Figured Scholar Ben and his trusty pet pooch Paulson would lie their asses off.
     
    Hate to say it, but what we need is blood in the streets, Dow down like 4500 points, C, Mer, Leh all to fail, and then maybe we as a country will pull our sorry asses off the canvas and start fighting.
     
    Oh yeah, we can print money hand over fist and buy a few more years' time, and then what?
     
    Let's just get it over with and admit we suck.
     
    Let's face it.
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    Yep, another ugly, ugly, ugly day.
     
    Figured Scholar Ben and his trusty pet pooch Paulson would lie their asses off.
     
    Hate to say it, but what we need is blood in the streets, Dow down like 4500 points, C, Mer, Leh all to fail, and then maybe we as a country will pull our sorry asses off the canvas and start fighting.
     
    Oh yeah, we can print money hand over fist and buy a few more years' time, and then what?
     
    Let's just get it over with and admit we suck.
     
    Let's face it.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 5:52 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTR:

    You plan on going long if market down big?

    Sorry, man, was at work all day....no access to a computer.  FTR, I did nothing today.  "Thought" about going short C at open, but was worried that Scholar Ben and Paulson would lie about the "strength of the US economy and the US banking system" and didn't need the aggravation.

    Hope you did well....whatever you did.

    Long cash.......short nothing........just "day-trading" here and there.  Too stressful to go overnight with anything---long or short.  Need inside info to have anything overnight.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTR:

    You plan on going long if market down big?

    Sorry, man, was at work all day....no access to a computer.  FTR, I did nothing today.  "Thought" about going short C at open, but was worried that Scholar Ben and Paulson would lie about the "strength of the US economy and the US banking system" and didn't need the aggravation.

    Hope you did well....whatever you did.

    Long cash.......short nothing........just "day-trading" here and there.  Too stressful to go overnight with anything---long or short.  Need inside info to have anything overnight.

    Cheers

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 6:40 PM ET #13

    DRYS up for the day



    Thank you random analyst that valued RIG at $67
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    DRYS up for the day



    Thank you random analyst that valued RIG at $67
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 7:26 PM ET #14

    VH2,

    You read the board I see.

    That was a legit analyst and he is right.

    The NAV value on the assets for the RIG spin equal the market cap of DRYS.

    The market is giving ZERO valuation to the OR assets and are discounting the shipping value as well.

    I am not selling DRYS for quite some time..


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    VH2,

    You read the board I see.

    That was a legit analyst and he is right.

    The NAV value on the assets for the RIG spin equal the market cap of DRYS.

    The market is giving ZERO valuation to the OR assets and are discounting the shipping value as well.

    I am not selling DRYS for quite some time..


     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2008 - 8:31 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    VH2,

    You read the board I see.

    That was a legit analyst and he is right.

    The NAV value on the assets for the RIG spin equal the market cap of DRYS.

    The market is giving ZERO valuation to the OR assets and are discounting the shipping value as well.

    I am not selling DRYS for quite some time..




    Yes . . . although 80-90% of the messages on that board are complete crap, I still find myself going there a few times a day to see if I can find some useful info.  I was happy to see this article today . . . although I was unfamiliar with the author and the website so wasn't sure what to make of it. 

    Glad to hear he is legit.  I also am not selling DRYS for a while.  Seems to be my only stock doing anything these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    VH2,

    You read the board I see.

    That was a legit analyst and he is right.

    The NAV value on the assets for the RIG spin equal the market cap of DRYS.

    The market is giving ZERO valuation to the OR assets and are discounting the shipping value as well.

    I am not selling DRYS for quite some time..




    Yes . . . although 80-90% of the messages on that board are complete crap, I still find myself going there a few times a day to see if I can find some useful info.  I was happy to see this article today . . . although I was unfamiliar with the author and the website so wasn't sure what to make of it. 

    Glad to hear he is legit.  I also am not selling DRYS for a while.  Seems to be my only stock doing anything these days.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 12:52 AM ET #16

      From the WSJ...

    The SEC said it will move to curb short selling in the stocks of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as in 17 financial firms. The emergency action comes amid concern that negative bets against the stocks might be exacerbating financial-sector woes, but it's far from clear whether the move, which sparked a barrage of criticism, will curb the activity of short sellers.  12:33 a.m.

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      From the WSJ...

    The SEC said it will move to curb short selling in the stocks of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as in 17 financial firms. The emergency action comes amid concern that negative bets against the stocks might be exacerbating financial-sector woes, but it's far from clear whether the move, which sparked a barrage of criticism, will curb the activity of short sellers.  12:33 a.m.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 1:03 AM ET #17

    Vermeer,

    Yeah I saw that one and laughed.

    Another attempt that only made the shares of FNM and FRE go lower because the act itself is saying the firms are weak and are easy prey to go even lower.

    Stupid idiots, making these moves after the stocks have dropped 90%.


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    Vermeer,

    Yeah I saw that one and laughed.

    Another attempt that only made the shares of FNM and FRE go lower because the act itself is saying the firms are weak and are easy prey to go even lower.

    Stupid idiots, making these moves after the stocks have dropped 90%.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 2:40 AM ET #18


     Lately, whenever I thought we had hit rock bottom intellectually morally and in every other way, on all sides, they actually dig deeper and go to a lower tier.Unreal.Better to laugh than cry...



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     Lately, whenever I thought we had hit rock bottom intellectually morally and in every other way, on all sides, they actually dig deeper and go to a lower tier.Unreal.Better to laugh than cry...



     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 6:08 AM ET #19

    Hahahahahahaha
     
    The "federal government" trying to regulate the liar's poker table at the stock market casino.
     
    Jeeez Louiize.
     
    That's like the town gutter drunk telling me I have a drug problem.
     
    Sheet, mon, Paulson lied his ass off last Friday.  Think someone in his circle didn't have the inside info?  I think not.
     
    BTW, looks like another day of lies on "The Hill" while Scholar Ben hems and haws his way through Humphrey/Hawkins.  However, I am sure he's glad he has a bunch of political imbeciles grilling him on economic theory............Scholar Ben will eat those sorry asses' lunch on "theory."  Right up his alley.
     
    Anyway, I am expecting another up and down day moving off the latest lies that are heard.  No action from me.....too disgusted with everything to think clearly enough.  Would like to see blood on the streets and people jumping out of windows, but too much complacency there right now as Scholar Ben tries to "calm the market."
     
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    Hahahahahahaha
     
    The "federal government" trying to regulate the liar's poker table at the stock market casino.
     
    Jeeez Louiize.
     
    That's like the town gutter drunk telling me I have a drug problem.
     
    Sheet, mon, Paulson lied his ass off last Friday.  Think someone in his circle didn't have the inside info?  I think not.
     
    BTW, looks like another day of lies on "The Hill" while Scholar Ben hems and haws his way through Humphrey/Hawkins.  However, I am sure he's glad he has a bunch of political imbeciles grilling him on economic theory............Scholar Ben will eat those sorry asses' lunch on "theory."  Right up his alley.
     
    Anyway, I am expecting another up and down day moving off the latest lies that are heard.  No action from me.....too disgusted with everything to think clearly enough.  Would like to see blood on the streets and people jumping out of windows, but too much complacency there right now as Scholar Ben tries to "calm the market."
     
    Cliches
     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 8:10 AM ET #20

    Wells Fargo beats earnings by $.03 and raises dividend by 10%

    And suddenly all is right with the world?  Gotta love the swings in this market.
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    Wells Fargo beats earnings by $.03 and raises dividend by 10%

    And suddenly all is right with the world?  Gotta love the swings in this market.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 10:04 AM ET #21

    that naked shorting gag order is only good through july 29th but they can extend it

    amazing job of trying to propping up two turds
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    that naked shorting gag order is only good through july 29th but they can extend it

    amazing job of trying to propping up two turds
     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 11:19 AM ET #22

    KBE up 10%, WFC up 20%


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    KBE up 10%, WFC up 20%


     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 1:07 PM ET #23

    Did I write this blurb?

    LINK
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    Did I write this blurb?

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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 2:01 PM ET #24

    Wall, are you seeing the action in CRDC today?  looking good so far... best volume day since that ridiculousness a month ago. 

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    Wall, are you seeing the action in CRDC today?  looking good so far... best volume day since that ridiculousness a month ago. 

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2008 - 3:01 PM ET #25

    Jim Rogers, the famed commodities investor who has repeatedly said he is short all financial stocks, thinks government-backed mortgage lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should shut their doors.

    The Federal Reserve on Sunday — hours ahead of the Asian trading open — said it would back the mortgage giants, which between them hold or finance half of all U.S. home loans.

    "These companies were going to go bankrupt if they hadn't stepped in to do something, and they should go bankrupt,'' Rogers told Bloomberg News.

    The banks are "basically insolvent" and should be allowed to fail, Rogers said.

    That's not likely to happen.

    The Fed gave its New York arm the authority to lend to the banks at 2.25 percent, the rate Wall Street gets, if need be. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government would expand credit and even invest in the companies if necessary.

    "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play a central role in our housing finance system and must continue to do so in their current form as shareholder-owned companies," Paulson told reporters Sunday.

    "Their support for the housing market is particularly important as we work through the current housing correction."

    Rogers says taxpayers will have to come up with the money to save Fannie and Freddie, which hold or finance half of the $12 trillion U.S. mortgage market.

    This comes on top of $400 billion already spent to rescue private investment bank Bear Stearns, Rogers warned earlier this month.

    "If the system is so fragile that the collapse of the fifth-largest investment bank in America could bring the whole thing down, what’s going to happen in a few years when the No. 2 or No. 1 banks go bad?" Rogers asked.

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    Jim Rogers, the famed commodities investor who has repeatedly said he is short all financial stocks, thinks government-backed mortgage lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should shut their doors.

    The Federal Reserve on Sunday — hours ahead of the Asian trading open — said it would back the mortgage giants, which between them hold or finance half of all U.S. home loans.

    "These companies were going to go bankrupt if they hadn't stepped in to do something, and they should go bankrupt,'' Rogers told Bloomberg News.

    The banks are "basically insolvent" and should be allowed to fail, Rogers said.

    That's not likely to happen.

    The Fed gave its New York arm the authority to lend to the banks at 2.25 percent, the rate Wall Street gets, if need be. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government would expand credit and even invest in the companies if necessary.

    "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play a central role in our housing finance system and must continue to do so in their current form as shareholder-owned companies," Paulson told reporters Sunday.

    "Their support for the housing market is particularly important as we work through the current housing correction."

    Rogers says taxpayers will have to come up with the money to save Fannie and Freddie, which hold or finance half of the $12 trillion U.S. mortgage market.

    This comes on top of $400 billion already spent to rescue private investment bank Bear Stearns, Rogers warned earlier this month.

    "If the system is so fragile that the collapse of the fifth-largest investment bank in America could bring the whole thing down, what’s going to happen in a few years when the No. 2 or No. 1 banks go bad?" Rogers asked.

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