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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2008 - 1:54 PM ET #26

    HANS has had negative earnings reactions three times in a row, i think.  and earnings is coming up soon.  i'd hold off until after that
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    HANS has had negative earnings reactions three times in a row, i think.  and earnings is coming up soon.  i'd hold off until after that
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2008 - 2:26 PM ET #27

    Nice bounce for CRDC, it shows how a thin bid and a little bit of pressure can knock down a stock.


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    Nice bounce for CRDC, it shows how a thin bid and a little bit of pressure can knock down a stock.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2008 - 12:02 PM ET #28


     Microturbines...

     Does anyone know the primary manufacturers of microturbines and their strength in that market. I know very little and while I could devote serious time to researching it, I would like to hear anything from someone who covers that technology.

     I will report back what I come up with if anything is of value.
     

     

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     Microturbines...

     Does anyone know the primary manufacturers of microturbines and their strength in that market. I know very little and while I could devote serious time to researching it, I would like to hear anything from someone who covers that technology.

     I will report back what I come up with if anything is of value.
     

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2008 - 12:50 PM ET #29

    Capstone (CPST) is one.
     
    Of course, it has no profits.......kind of like most in the space.
     
    If these ticker symbols ever do get some sort of "revolutionary technology," then some big cahuna burger like GE will snap them right up.
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    Capstone (CPST) is one.
     
    Of course, it has no profits.......kind of like most in the space.
     
    If these ticker symbols ever do get some sort of "revolutionary technology," then some big cahuna burger like GE will snap them right up.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2008 - 1:38 PM ET #30

    Thanks CC. I would not at all mind holding on to something that would be bought out, of course.My curiosity simply stems from reading a few articles none of which mentioned any real producers.Thanks.

     
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    Thanks CC. I would not at all mind holding on to something that would be bought out, of course.My curiosity simply stems from reading a few articles none of which mentioned any real producers.Thanks.

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2008 - 1:43 PM ET #31

    Yeah, man, a crap symbol like CPST should be priced around 10-15 cents a share.
     
    Reason they are in the 2-4ish range is due to the takeover deal.
     
    Hate to say it, but I believe the US financials are goosed in price due to the cruddy value of the dollar.  Europe and Asia are just waiting to raid.
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    Yeah, man, a crap symbol like CPST should be priced around 10-15 cents a share.
     
    Reason they are in the 2-4ish range is due to the takeover deal.
     
    Hate to say it, but I believe the US financials are goosed in price due to the cruddy value of the dollar.  Europe and Asia are just waiting to raid.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2008 - 10:44 PM ET #32

     Fromm James Mound, just posting it for the hell of it.Certainly possible..I think Europe is headed for a fall...  italics are mine

    Gold and silver remain choppy amid a back and forth U.S. dollar and a somewhat supported oil market.  Gold has three dynamics at the moment:

    1)      Inverse U.S. dollar correlation - gold is priced in U.S. dollars on a global scale.  The cheaper the dollar the stronger foreign currency is to buy gold at what they perceive are discounted levels.  However, if the dollar rallies this has the opposite effect and foreign buyers are stuck paying inflated prices.  The single biggest reason that gold will fail from these levels is the dollar's strength over the next 6-12 months.

    2)      Oil inflation- inflated oil prices, or commodity prices in general, create a much higher annual inflation rate (9% sound about right?) than what the Federal government wants us to think.  Gold is the world's inflation gauge so it would seem that as goes inflation, gold will follow.  However, when prices in gold far exceed the annual inflation rate (by anyone's calculation) over the past 5 years or so, then it would seem that there is less of a true correlation and more of an exposure to the downside for the potential of a declining inflation rate in the months and years ahead.

    3)      Flight to quality - the reeling stock market is getting beat up on what many would argue is a complete economic meltdown - the perfect storm of inflation, bank failures and collapsing real estate market.  When the normal source for investment disappears and investors become concerned over how to make a return on their money they turn to bonds and gold.  However, this resilient market is not a screaming sell anymore.  It is clear the Fed will take excessive and unlimited measures to support the financial markets, despite its long term negative affect. 

    So a strong dollar means declining commodity inflation and will likely be supported by strong economic numbers (at least compared to our friends overseas) which means there will be little, if any, flight to quality.  This equates to a strong price retracement in metals over the next 6-12 months.

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     Fromm James Mound, just posting it for the hell of it.Certainly possible..I think Europe is headed for a fall...  italics are mine

    Gold and silver remain choppy amid a back and forth U.S. dollar and a somewhat supported oil market.  Gold has three dynamics at the moment:

    1)      Inverse U.S. dollar correlation - gold is priced in U.S. dollars on a global scale.  The cheaper the dollar the stronger foreign currency is to buy gold at what they perceive are discounted levels.  However, if the dollar rallies this has the opposite effect and foreign buyers are stuck paying inflated prices.  The single biggest reason that gold will fail from these levels is the dollar's strength over the next 6-12 months.

    2)      Oil inflation- inflated oil prices, or commodity prices in general, create a much higher annual inflation rate (9% sound about right?) than what the Federal government wants us to think.  Gold is the world's inflation gauge so it would seem that as goes inflation, gold will follow.  However, when prices in gold far exceed the annual inflation rate (by anyone's calculation) over the past 5 years or so, then it would seem that there is less of a true correlation and more of an exposure to the downside for the potential of a declining inflation rate in the months and years ahead.

    3)      Flight to quality - the reeling stock market is getting beat up on what many would argue is a complete economic meltdown - the perfect storm of inflation, bank failures and collapsing real estate market.  When the normal source for investment disappears and investors become concerned over how to make a return on their money they turn to bonds and gold.  However, this resilient market is not a screaming sell anymore.  It is clear the Fed will take excessive and unlimited measures to support the financial markets, despite its long term negative affect. 

    So a strong dollar means declining commodity inflation and will likely be supported by strong economic numbers (at least compared to our friends overseas) which means there will be little, if any, flight to quality.  This equates to a strong price retracement in metals over the next 6-12 months.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 1:18 AM ET #33

    Good post Vermeer,

    Unfortunately I dont think it will be a quick return on the dollar, it will take plenty of time partly because of what the article implies..if the dollar goes up too quickly then our markets will face selling, our debt will face selling and our exports will be cut pretty quickly.

    I think this inflating of the dollar should span the same amount of time it took to deflate it.
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    Good post Vermeer,

    Unfortunately I dont think it will be a quick return on the dollar, it will take plenty of time partly because of what the article implies..if the dollar goes up too quickly then our markets will face selling, our debt will face selling and our exports will be cut pretty quickly.

    I think this inflating of the dollar should span the same amount of time it took to deflate it.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 10:54 AM ET #34


     From the NY Times ...

    Homeowners with good credit are falling behind on their payments in growing numbers, even as the problems with mortgages made to people with weak, or subprime, credit are showing their first, tentative signs of leveling off after two years of spiraling defaults.

    The percentage of mortgages in arrears in the category of loans one rung above subprime, so-called alternative-A mortgages, quadrupled to 12 percent in April from a year earlier. Delinquencies among prime loans, which account for most of the $12 trillion market, doubled to 2.7 percent in that time.

    The mortgage troubles have been exacerbated by an economy that is still struggling. Reports last week showed another drop in home prices, slower-than-expected economic growth and a huge loss at General Motors. On Friday, the Labor Department reported that the unemployment rate in July climbed to a four-year high.

    While it is difficult to draw precise parallels among various segments of the mortgage market, the arc of the crisis in subprime loans suggests that the problems in the broader market may not peak for another year or two, analysts said.

    Defaults are likely to accelerate because many homeowners’ monthly payments are rising rapidly. The higher bills come as home prices continue to decline and banks tighten their lending standards, making it harder for people to refinance loans or sell their homes. Of particular concern are “alt-A” loans, many of which were made to people with good credit scores without proof of their income or assets.



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     From the NY Times ...

    Homeowners with good credit are falling behind on their payments in growing numbers, even as the problems with mortgages made to people with weak, or subprime, credit are showing their first, tentative signs of leveling off after two years of spiraling defaults.

    The percentage of mortgages in arrears in the category of loans one rung above subprime, so-called alternative-A mortgages, quadrupled to 12 percent in April from a year earlier. Delinquencies among prime loans, which account for most of the $12 trillion market, doubled to 2.7 percent in that time.

    The mortgage troubles have been exacerbated by an economy that is still struggling. Reports last week showed another drop in home prices, slower-than-expected economic growth and a huge loss at General Motors. On Friday, the Labor Department reported that the unemployment rate in July climbed to a four-year high.

    While it is difficult to draw precise parallels among various segments of the mortgage market, the arc of the crisis in subprime loans suggests that the problems in the broader market may not peak for another year or two, analysts said.

    Defaults are likely to accelerate because many homeowners’ monthly payments are rising rapidly. The higher bills come as home prices continue to decline and banks tighten their lending standards, making it harder for people to refinance loans or sell their homes. Of particular concern are “alt-A” loans, many of which were made to people with good credit scores without proof of their income or assets.



     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 12:21 PM ET #35

    When do I buy DRYS?  Could it fall all the way to the low $50's?
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    When do I buy DRYS?  Could it fall all the way to the low $50's?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 12:33 PM ET #36

    Depeche,

    This reminds me of that tank job last time..I look at the company and shake my head on what the market is doing to the stock on this low volume.

    Today is add day for me..days like this I buy for sure.
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    Depeche,

    This reminds me of that tank job last time..I look at the company and shake my head on what the market is doing to the stock on this low volume.

    Today is add day for me..days like this I buy for sure.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 1:02 PM ET #37

    I'm no technical guy but it looks like DRYS broke support and the next real support level is in the low to mid 50's.  I've got it on watch to buy some if it falls around $55.
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    I'm no technical guy but it looks like DRYS broke support and the next real support level is in the low to mid 50's.  I've got it on watch to buy some if it falls around $55.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 1:31 PM ET #38

    depeche,

    With summer volumes it could get there.

    I look out two years on this one, and while I hate owning at higher prices, I see the earnings for the company and I am not selling.
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    depeche,

    With summer volumes it could get there.

    I look out two years on this one, and while I hate owning at higher prices, I see the earnings for the company and I am not selling.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 7:17 PM ET #39

    Hi guys!  I hope everyone has been doing well.  I was looking for some insight.  I have owned HLIT for a couple months, got in at 9.12...added on at 9.64 and 10.06.   The in one day it took a dive.  I rebought some at 7.97 and 7.57.  What do you think?  Any help is appreciated  
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    Hi guys!  I hope everyone has been doing well.  I was looking for some insight.  I have owned HLIT for a couple months, got in at 9.12...added on at 9.64 and 10.06.   The in one day it took a dive.  I rebought some at 7.97 and 7.57.  What do you think?  Any help is appreciated  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 7:27 PM ET #40

    WS-  nice pic buy the way
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    WS-  nice pic buy the way
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 7:29 PM ET #41

    hat,

    HLIT will see 11 again, they are making money and just had a poor conference call.

    I think it is a good buy here, they are gaining customers and doing fine.


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    hat,

    HLIT will see 11 again, they are making money and just had a poor conference call.

    I think it is a good buy here, they are gaining customers and doing fine.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 7:30 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by whereismyhat:

    WS-  nice pic buy the way


    You know who it is?


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    Quote Originally Posted by whereismyhat:

    WS-  nice pic buy the way


    You know who it is?


     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 7:49 PM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    You know who it is?



    i have no idea who your pic is?  Please share.  rolled down my drys 80's again to sept on 70's.  sold my fslr put, selling my rack jan 10 calls tomorrow, done with it demolished in after hours.  sold my imb pinksheets today too.  All cash and drys sept 70's now.  Moving on.....gonna pay some credit cards off before I piss it all away.  At lease I get a tax deduction for the next 5 years. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    You know who it is?



    i have no idea who your pic is?  Please share.  rolled down my drys 80's again to sept on 70's.  sold my fslr put, selling my rack jan 10 calls tomorrow, done with it demolished in after hours.  sold my imb pinksheets today too.  All cash and drys sept 70's now.  Moving on.....gonna pay some credit cards off before I piss it all away.  At lease I get a tax deduction for the next 5 years. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 7:53 PM ET #44

    DRYS

    What a rough day.  If it stays down here a little longer i'll be adding some more.
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    DRYS

    What a rough day.  If it stays down here a little longer i'll be adding some more.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 7:54 PM ET #45

    Grinder,

    How did the FSLR put work out? I imagine even with a 20 pt drop they juiced the hell out of it and the move wasnt good.

    I sold IMB at 9 cents when the announced BK and took my lumps..plenty of lumps with this market no doubt.

    Did you market guys see the FERT and commodity stocks today? Down between 7-15 percent. Some rumor that a BK hedge fund had to liquidate and were heavy in the sector..not sure if that is legit or not.

    Lets see if hat knows who the avatar is, nobody has guessed yet.


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    Grinder,

    How did the FSLR put work out? I imagine even with a 20 pt drop they juiced the hell out of it and the move wasnt good.

    I sold IMB at 9 cents when the announced BK and took my lumps..plenty of lumps with this market no doubt.

    Did you market guys see the FERT and commodity stocks today? Down between 7-15 percent. Some rumor that a BK hedge fund had to liquidate and were heavy in the sector..not sure if that is legit or not.

    Lets see if hat knows who the avatar is, nobody has guessed yet.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 10:22 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Grinder,

    How did the FSLR put work out? I imagine even with a 20 pt drop they juiced the hell out of it and the move wasnt good.

    I sold IMB at 9 cents when the announced BK and took my lumps..plenty of lumps with this market no doubt.

    Did you market guys see the FERT and commodity stocks today? Down between 7-15 percent. Some rumor that a BK hedge fund had to liquidate and were heavy in the sector..not sure if that is legit or not.

    Lets see if hat knows who the avatar is, nobody has guessed yet.



    I lost on fslr put pretty bad.....but better than the zero I thought I'd get.  Okay may guess for your avatar is Crocodile Dundee.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Grinder,

    How did the FSLR put work out? I imagine even with a 20 pt drop they juiced the hell out of it and the move wasnt good.

    I sold IMB at 9 cents when the announced BK and took my lumps..plenty of lumps with this market no doubt.

    Did you market guys see the FERT and commodity stocks today? Down between 7-15 percent. Some rumor that a BK hedge fund had to liquidate and were heavy in the sector..not sure if that is legit or not.

    Lets see if hat knows who the avatar is, nobody has guessed yet.



    I lost on fslr put pretty bad.....but better than the zero I thought I'd get.  Okay may guess for your avatar is Crocodile Dundee.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2008 - 11:43 PM ET #47

    Grinder,

    Nope..maybe hat knows, if he doesnt or when he says I will divulge.

    Think closer to the market.

    That put is terrible, stock down 13 and it is up 1, but like you say it was better than getting zero.
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    Grinder,

    Nope..maybe hat knows, if he doesnt or when he says I will divulge.

    Think closer to the market.

    That put is terrible, stock down 13 and it is up 1, but like you say it was better than getting zero.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2008 - 12:42 AM ET #48

    FOMC Tuesday.
     
    Am staying the hell away.  Going to be volatile after 1415 EDT today, that's for damn sure.  And none of it will make a damn bit of sense as hedges get unwound. 
     
    Scholar Ben is too chicken-sheet to raise rates and defend the pitiful US dollar, cause he's taking his cues from the biggest hedge fund on the planet...........the US Government.
     
     
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    FOMC Tuesday.
     
    Am staying the hell away.  Going to be volatile after 1415 EDT today, that's for damn sure.  And none of it will make a damn bit of sense as hedges get unwound. 
     
    Scholar Ben is too chicken-sheet to raise rates and defend the pitiful US dollar, cause he's taking his cues from the biggest hedge fund on the planet...........the US Government.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2008 - 12:56 AM ET #49

    CC,

    The way things have been trading lately I would say a selloff could be VERY likely, that is how I would expect it to go, especially with the paper thin bids we see during the summer.
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    CC,

    The way things have been trading lately I would say a selloff could be VERY likely, that is how I would expect it to go, especially with the paper thin bids we see during the summer.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2008 - 4:52 AM ET #50

    WSC-
     
    Good point.  No depth on anything.
     
    You know, man, if I were going to enter the arena today, I can promise with about 99% certainty that the broad market (SP 500) would do the opposite of whatever trade I put on.  LOCK! 
     
    That is precisely why I don't play on FOMC day.........on that day, I am known as "dumb money."
     
    But, I like to gamble and make predictions, so I will predict that the broad market will do exactly what will screw up the most people........whatever that is.
     
    There will be so many hedge funds out there taking both long and short positions all day and then trying to trade each off the moves, lies, minutes, news, and commentary after the release.
     
    It will be complete chaos once that crap is unwound.
     
    Good luck if you play it today man.  You got more guts than I to enter the arena today.
     
    WE WHO'RE ABOUT TO DIE, SALUTE YOU
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    WSC-
     
    Good point.  No depth on anything.
     
    You know, man, if I were going to enter the arena today, I can promise with about 99% certainty that the broad market (SP 500) would do the opposite of whatever trade I put on.  LOCK! 
     
    That is precisely why I don't play on FOMC day.........on that day, I am known as "dumb money."
     
    But, I like to gamble and make predictions, so I will predict that the broad market will do exactly what will screw up the most people........whatever that is.
     
    There will be so many hedge funds out there taking both long and short positions all day and then trying to trade each off the moves, lies, minutes, news, and commentary after the release.
     
    It will be complete chaos once that crap is unwound.
     
    Good luck if you play it today man.  You got more guts than I to enter the arena today.
     
    WE WHO'RE ABOUT TO DIE, SALUTE YOU
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