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    Thunder Snow

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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2017 - 6:29 PM ET #1

    Ok ,so its official.Another year where we get the Super horse from over there. No offense my Euro racing laddy's.

    To bypass the 2000 Guineas on turf and travel across the pond, late I might add[although it seems to be commonplace with them, ]and then spend two days in quarantine ,

    Winner of the UAE Derby ,many I am finding out are proclaiming him a major player on Saturday.

    None have ever won this race,and correct me if Im wrong, even come in the money. The latest  being Mubtaahij who I found out after the race was just here on vacation

    Not saying it cant be done this time around. I must admit I am slightly intrigued by .

    So what say ye.

    Is he one to reckon with,or just another checking out the sites.


    https://www.horseracingnation.com/race/2017_UAE_Derby

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    Ok ,so its official.Another year where we get the Super horse from over there. No offense my Euro racing laddy's.

    To bypass the 2000 Guineas on turf and travel across the pond, late I might add[although it seems to be commonplace with them, ]and then spend two days in quarantine ,

    Winner of the UAE Derby ,many I am finding out are proclaiming him a major player on Saturday.

    None have ever won this race,and correct me if Im wrong, even come in the money. The latest  being Mubtaahij who I found out after the race was just here on vacation

    Not saying it cant be done this time around. I must admit I am slightly intrigued by .

    So what say ye.

    Is he one to reckon with,or just another checking out the sites.


    https://www.horseracingnation.com/race/2017_UAE_Derby

     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2017 - 6:40 PM ET #2

    Yeah, well one day that streak will be broken, will this be the year?  I don't think there is an American Pharoah in this year's bunch, it appears to be pretty wide open.  Thunder Snow will be a big price.  While there are a few obvious contenders, I have a feeling there will be big payoffs this year due to the usual large field and lack of a big favorite.  While he's not on my top list at the moment, I will probably throw him in exotics because of this unknown.  We will see.....
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    Yeah, well one day that streak will be broken, will this be the year?  I don't think there is an American Pharoah in this year's bunch, it appears to be pretty wide open.  Thunder Snow will be a big price.  While there are a few obvious contenders, I have a feeling there will be big payoffs this year due to the usual large field and lack of a big favorite.  While he's not on my top list at the moment, I will probably throw him in exotics because of this unknown.  We will see.....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2017 - 6:50 PM ET #3

    Im reading here and there the favorite could be as high as 4 -1 / 9-2?
    which is very realistic in my eyes  Zuck.

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    Im reading here and there the favorite could be as high as 4 -1 / 9-2?
    which is very realistic in my eyes  Zuck.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2017 - 7:48 PM ET #4

    Jay Privman's comment on Thunder Snow:

    JP: Talented colt has adapted well to dirt in Dubai this spring, seems like an intriguing prospect.


    Mike Watchmaker's comment on Thunder Snow:

    MW: I get the appeal of the "new face" angle, but the first Ky. Derby winner from Dubai will beat me.


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    Jay Privman's comment on Thunder Snow:

    JP: Talented colt has adapted well to dirt in Dubai this spring, seems like an intriguing prospect.


    Mike Watchmaker's comment on Thunder Snow:

    MW: I get the appeal of the "new face" angle, but the first Ky. Derby winner from Dubai will beat me.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2017 - 1:41 PM ET #5

    Vet, in the 20 horse field derbies, I have seen favorites that high or as high I think as 6-1 a few times.  I think there will be at least 1 or 2 long shots in the top 4 so I think we will see the big payouts.  Really, any of us could make a case for many of these.  Mikey, I saw these comments too, they don't mean much, one day a winner will come from Dubai and to me that alone won't eliminate Thunder Snow.  I like Mccraken and Irish War Cry at this moment but how to play these with the other contenders is what I trying to put together now.  I think others have a chance too, will be a fun week.....
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    Vet, in the 20 horse field derbies, I have seen favorites that high or as high I think as 6-1 a few times.  I think there will be at least 1 or 2 long shots in the top 4 so I think we will see the big payouts.  Really, any of us could make a case for many of these.  Mikey, I saw these comments too, they don't mean much, one day a winner will come from Dubai and to me that alone won't eliminate Thunder Snow.  I like Mccraken and Irish War Cry at this moment but how to play these with the other contenders is what I trying to put together now.  I think others have a chance too, will be a fun week.....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2017 - 2:07 PM ET #6

    I'll toss the Euro horses until they beat me.
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    I'll toss the Euro horses until they beat me.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2017 - 2:12 PM ET #7

    This is understandable, jr, but any horse can by default make it into the money by default as others tire down the stretch.  It happens.  As I stated somewhere else the derby is less of a handicapping thing and more than figuring out who may have a clean trip (or not) and luck will be a factor in the crowded field.
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    This is understandable, jr, but any horse can by default make it into the money by default as others tire down the stretch.  It happens.  As I stated somewhere else the derby is less of a handicapping thing and more than figuring out who may have a clean trip (or not) and luck will be a factor in the crowded field.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2017 - 3:31 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by howzuck:

    This is understandable, jr, but any horse can by default make it into the money by default as others tire down the stretch.  It happens.  As I stated somewhere else the derby is less of a handicapping thing and more than figuring out who may have a clean trip (or not) and luck will be a factor in the crowded field.

    I see Thunder Snow as very different from past Derby Euro touts like George Washington, Master of Hounds, Desert Party and the other turf-polys that entered the Derby and failed.

    This horse has run twice on dirt and won nicely at 7F by nearly 6 lengths in a G-III and by almost a length stretching to 1-1/16 in a G-II....in a 16 horse field. One of those he beat was Master Plan.

    Don't easily dismiss with checking closely for clues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howzuck:

    This is understandable, jr, but any horse can by default make it into the money by default as others tire down the stretch.  It happens.  As I stated somewhere else the derby is less of a handicapping thing and more than figuring out who may have a clean trip (or not) and luck will be a factor in the crowded field.

    I see Thunder Snow as very different from past Derby Euro touts like George Washington, Master of Hounds, Desert Party and the other turf-polys that entered the Derby and failed.

    This horse has run twice on dirt and won nicely at 7F by nearly 6 lengths in a G-III and by almost a length stretching to 1-1/16 in a G-II....in a 16 horse field. One of those he beat was Master Plan.

    Don't easily dismiss with checking closely for clues.

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2017 - 3:33 PM ET #9

    Check that....his last race was at 1-1/8M, not 1-1/16
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    Check that....his last race was at 1-1/8M, not 1-1/16
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