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    The Sham---Analysis and Picks

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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 9:49 AM ET #1

    Santa Anita, dirt; 1 mile; $100K; 10 Derby points to the winner

    One heckuv a field for a prelim to the prelims with 7 horses each capable of a win.

    Led by Shirreffs #5 Gormley (8-5 ML) and Baffert’s #1 American Anthem (9-5), the winner is likely to come from the speed of the speed…..of the speed ….with just about every one of the boys capable of a collecting the major check.

    Not sure that will happen as the pace looks to be a quick one.

    #1 American Anthem……Son of electric Bodemeister, a front running monster, American Anthem did it all from an outside post (#11) drawing in, stalking, then pouncing for the win in the 6F affair tallying an 86 Beyer. With all of the upfront speed in this, I expect the same type of tactic today. Mike Smith, a come-from-behind maestro, rides for Baffert.

    #2 Term of Art….A nice Tiznow colt who is 5/2-1-1 in his career for Doug O’Neill, while, perhaps, a step behind some of these, could find life in the stretch if this breaks down up front. Don’t dismiss for at least a piece. Talamo rides at 5-1 ML.

    #3 Bird is the Word….Easy to dismiss at 20-1, he’s done OK work to date, but doesn’t appear to rate with these. Trainer Almeida might not be in the team photo with other SoCal trainers, but he is capable. The X factor for me is that the Birdstone colt gets Kent D, and that could make the difference for a few shekels.

    #4 Colonel Samsen….Any time Eoin Hardy puts one in a spot like this in California, I take note. Some real talent here out of the great Colonel John and a Skip Away mare, the lad is 6/2-1-1 so far and comes in on a two race win streak. Take note: First time on the dirt as he’s been all poly and grass. Breeding says he can handle it. Working well on the dirt and a juicy 12-1 and worth a big-look-see for shocking upset or solid piece. Semi-Hot jock Prat handles the chores.

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    Santa Anita, dirt; 1 mile; $100K; 10 Derby points to the winner

    One heckuv a field for a prelim to the prelims with 7 horses each capable of a win.

    Led by Shirreffs #5 Gormley (8-5 ML) and Baffert’s #1 American Anthem (9-5), the winner is likely to come from the speed of the speed…..of the speed ….with just about every one of the boys capable of a collecting the major check.

    Not sure that will happen as the pace looks to be a quick one.

    #1 American Anthem……Son of electric Bodemeister, a front running monster, American Anthem did it all from an outside post (#11) drawing in, stalking, then pouncing for the win in the 6F affair tallying an 86 Beyer. With all of the upfront speed in this, I expect the same type of tactic today. Mike Smith, a come-from-behind maestro, rides for Baffert.

    #2 Term of Art….A nice Tiznow colt who is 5/2-1-1 in his career for Doug O’Neill, while, perhaps, a step behind some of these, could find life in the stretch if this breaks down up front. Don’t dismiss for at least a piece. Talamo rides at 5-1 ML.

    #3 Bird is the Word….Easy to dismiss at 20-1, he’s done OK work to date, but doesn’t appear to rate with these. Trainer Almeida might not be in the team photo with other SoCal trainers, but he is capable. The X factor for me is that the Birdstone colt gets Kent D, and that could make the difference for a few shekels.

    #4 Colonel Samsen….Any time Eoin Hardy puts one in a spot like this in California, I take note. Some real talent here out of the great Colonel John and a Skip Away mare, the lad is 6/2-1-1 so far and comes in on a two race win streak. Take note: First time on the dirt as he’s been all poly and grass. Breeding says he can handle it. Working well on the dirt and a juicy 12-1 and worth a big-look-see for shocking upset or solid piece. Semi-Hot jock Prat handles the chores.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 9:51 AM ET #2

    #5 Gormely……The 8-5 ML fave and the real deal, it appears he was the 7th place finisher in the BC Juve after a G-1 win at 1-1/16 at this track in a wire (93 Beyer), and a debut win. Track preview says he might have to come off the pace to win this, and I agree. Victor E rides and that is a huge factor in the tactics. There might be 3 or 4 at the wire and he might be one of them.

    #6 Big Hit……A lot to like in this Super Saver colt starting with sharpie trainer Phil D’Amato. Wired the field last out, on the improve and working well. He should compete at 4-1 ML and, if anything else, should make the race interesting.

    #7 Blabimir….Tapizar’s son has won his last two races for Doug O’Neill and looks to get out early under Doug’s “A” jock, Mario Gutierrez. Nice work coming in at

     

    My pick: #1 American Anthem to win

    $8 exacta:1/6

    $5 exacta straight: 1-2

    $3 tri: 1/ 2,5,6/2,4,5,6,7

     

     GL TO ALL!

     

     

     

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    #5 Gormely……The 8-5 ML fave and the real deal, it appears he was the 7th place finisher in the BC Juve after a G-1 win at 1-1/16 at this track in a wire (93 Beyer), and a debut win. Track preview says he might have to come off the pace to win this, and I agree. Victor E rides and that is a huge factor in the tactics. There might be 3 or 4 at the wire and he might be one of them.

    #6 Big Hit……A lot to like in this Super Saver colt starting with sharpie trainer Phil D’Amato. Wired the field last out, on the improve and working well. He should compete at 4-1 ML and, if anything else, should make the race interesting.

    #7 Blabimir….Tapizar’s son has won his last two races for Doug O’Neill and looks to get out early under Doug’s “A” jock, Mario Gutierrez. Nice work coming in at

     

    My pick: #1 American Anthem to win

    $8 exacta:1/6

    $5 exacta straight: 1-2

    $3 tri: 1/ 2,5,6/2,4,5,6,7

     

     GL TO ALL!

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 12:16 PM ET #3

    Good stuff Mike
    All in on the 1 at 9-5.
    Think he gets a good run on the rail,stays there.
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    Good stuff Mike
    All in on the 1 at 9-5.
    Think he gets a good run on the rail,stays there.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 12:22 PM ET #4

    https://www.horseracingnation.com/blogs/zatt/Sham_Stakes_2017_Odds_and_Analysis_123#
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    https://www.horseracingnation.com/blogs/zatt/Sham_Stakes_2017_Odds_and_Analysis_123#
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 1:04 PM ET #5

    Mike check your mail. 
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    Mike check your mail. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 3:20 PM ET #6

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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 4:54 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:

    Mike check your mail. 


    Got it. Thanks Kursch. See my reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:

    Mike check your mail. 


    Got it. Thanks Kursch. See my reply

     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 5:46 PM ET #8

    01/07/2017, 05:44 PM, 69848322
    Santa Anita
    7 , $1.00 , EX , 1,4,5
    $6.00
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:43 PM, 69848216
    Santa Anita
    7 , $0.10 , SUP , 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
    $2.40
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:41 PM, 69847990
    Santa Anita
    6 , $0.50 , PK4 , 8,10,13,14/ 1,4,5/ 2,3,9/ 9,11
    $36.00
    Open
    0
    my wager on this tonight.
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    01/07/2017, 05:44 PM, 69848322
    Santa Anita
    7 , $1.00 , EX , 1,4,5
    $6.00
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:43 PM, 69848216
    Santa Anita
    7 , $0.10 , SUP , 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
    $2.40
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:41 PM, 69847990
    Santa Anita
    6 , $0.50 , PK4 , 8,10,13,14/ 1,4,5/ 2,3,9/ 9,11
    $36.00
    Open
    0
    my wager on this tonight.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 6:38 PM ET #9

    Muddy track so I like Gormely. Not going to bet price is to short. But Mike you are correct. You can give every horse a shot in this. I would not over think this race if one of them wins by ten. Thats the way the track has been playing today.
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    Muddy track so I like Gormely. Not going to bet price is to short. But Mike you are correct. You can give every horse a shot in this. I would not over think this race if one of them wins by ten. Thats the way the track has been playing today.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 6:41 PM ET #10

    WOW! If you want to see a great race, this is it!

    #5 Gormely noses #1 American Anthem at the wire---a match race out of the gate!

    Right now, these 2 look like they might be the best coming out of California!

    #6 Big Hit third

    5-1-6-3

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    WOW! If you want to see a great race, this is it!

    #5 Gormely noses #1 American Anthem at the wire---a match race out of the gate!

    Right now, these 2 look like they might be the best coming out of California!

    #6 Big Hit third

    5-1-6-3

     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 6:46 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:

    Muddy track so I like Gormely. Not going to bet price is to short. But Mike you are correct. You can give every horse a shot in this. I would not over think this race if one of them wins by ten. Thats the way the track has been playing today.


    Good analysis, Kursch. You said it well. What do you think of these two?

    Blistering 22.54. 45.2.....not sure what they finished out, but it was as fast as you'll get in that mudbath!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:

    Muddy track so I like Gormely. Not going to bet price is to short. But Mike you are correct. You can give every horse a shot in this. I would not over think this race if one of them wins by ten. Thats the way the track has been playing today.


    Good analysis, Kursch. You said it well. What do you think of these two?

    Blistering 22.54. 45.2.....not sure what they finished out, but it was as fast as you'll get in that mudbath!


     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 6:50 PM ET #12

    I hope that I posted before the race went off. I didn't see the race yet. Will get back to you.
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    I hope that I posted before the race went off. I didn't see the race yet. Will get back to you.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 7:01 PM ET #13

    Yeah awesome race. Gormely got the hip trip. Could not have gotten a better trip. Thought he would win easy but American stuck on rail dug in. I would say if they meet again American would win. Encouraged that only being a mile both horses looked like they could get more distance.  
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    Yeah awesome race. Gormely got the hip trip. Could not have gotten a better trip. Thought he would win easy but American stuck on rail dug in. I would say if they meet again American would win. Encouraged that only being a mile both horses looked like they could get more distance.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 9:09 PM ET #14

    KURSCH..my thoughts exactly. That rail looked a bit suspect. If AA is in, say, the 3 path or so, I think he has a clear run. He made a nice try coming back, but stuck.
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    KURSCH..my thoughts exactly. That rail looked a bit suspect. If AA is in, say, the 3 path or so, I think he has a clear run. He made a nice try coming back, but stuck.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 9:11 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    01/07/2017, 05:44 PM, 69848322
    Santa Anita
    7 , $1.00 , EX , 1,4,5
    $6.00
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:43 PM, 69848216
    Santa Anita
    7 , $0.10 , SUP , 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
    $2.40
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:41 PM, 69847990
    Santa Anita
    6 , $0.50 , PK4 , 8,10,13,14/ 1,4,5/ 2,3,9/ 9,11
    $36.00
    Open
    0
    my wager on this tonight.


    NATCHE...How did you end up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    01/07/2017, 05:44 PM, 69848322
    Santa Anita
    7 , $1.00 , EX , 1,4,5
    $6.00
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:43 PM, 69848216
    Santa Anita
    7 , $0.10 , SUP , 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,4,5/ 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
    $2.40
    Open
    0
    01/07/2017, 05:41 PM, 69847990
    Santa Anita
    6 , $0.50 , PK4 , 8,10,13,14/ 1,4,5/ 2,3,9/ 9,11
    $36.00
    Open
    0
    my wager on this tonight.


    NATCHE...How did you end up?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 9:35 PM ET #16

    5.90 on ex.
    missed race 8 with the 4,
    and the race 9 with the 1

    thought of including them but the wager would have been near 100 and had to cap the pick 4 furthur.
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    5.90 on ex.
    missed race 8 with the 4,
    and the race 9 with the 1

    thought of including them but the wager would have been near 100 and had to cap the pick 4 furthur.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2017 - 12:46 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    5.90 on ex.
    missed race 8 with the 4,
    and the race 9 with the 1

    thought of including them but the wager would have been near 100 and had to cap the pick 4 furthur.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    5.90 on ex.
    missed race 8 with the 4,
    and the race 9 with the 1

    thought of including them but the wager would have been near 100 and had to cap the pick 4 furthur.


    The horse player's curse: Coulda Woulda Shoulda!

     
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    Another thing about horse betting at least for me...
    Went 4 for 5 on $5 win bets.Various tracks Granted two were solid chalk.
    But if I bet larger ,around $20  I lose.
    Its the gambling Gods amusing themselves .
    That well change with the Pegasus  
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    Another thing about horse betting at least for me...
    Went 4 for 5 on $5 win bets.Various tracks Granted two were solid chalk.
    But if I bet larger ,around $20  I lose.
    Its the gambling Gods amusing themselves .
    That well change with the Pegasus  
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2017 - 2:02 PM ET #19

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