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may have never put so much time in a race and been so unsure of myself but thats gambling..... and this really is a great race . over the years and despite not having the derby and preakness winners it should be very entertaining and if you get lucly ,hitting a tri ,super or p4 , whatever.. can be very profitable.. brain is cooked, the undercard has been more manageable for me anyhow.. the guys in here, angry barber, mikey p, sooner,tygermike and some more have made all the points... the jock,trainer stats mikey provided are tools used by most.. breeding and pace were covered also. i ve been reading pps,watching replays and workouts all along. i may be repeating some of them but heres my take on the field....

#1 tom terrific.. i mean twisted tom,my feeling here is chad has a ny bred gelding who is doing great.. they put 75k up,they get castellano .. but he admitted he needs to get better.. beyers if means anything are in some cases 20 points behind most of these.. with that being said they say he can run all day and night. .think chads keeping real power, cloud computing and timeline for saratoga.. not for me ..but this trainer and jock are ridicoulous

#2 tapwrit, pletcher and jose ortiz.. again.....since 2006, pletcher got 2 belmont wins and was 2nd with bluegrass cat,dunkirk,comissioner,stay thirsty and last yr destin. he got patch and this guy.. hasnt been a real late closer. should be ahead of at least 5 or 6 of these late in the game.. ortiz getting so good.. he might be a big edge,his experience in ny.. i like him alot. works and 6th out of 20 in kty mud wasnt so bad..

#3 gormley.. shireffs and espinoza, who has been on board all his starts.. some say he didnt have a chance in kty mud either, s anita derby wasnt special but the horse he beat ran 3rd in kty.. im more about shireffs not sending out him cross country without him being really ready.. breeding is suspect but most are at this classic, just a good start with his versatile style should have him in the picture for at least a piece..all gimmicks...

#4 j boys echo,dale romans and albarado fresh off the injury...romans 0-8 in ny classic,with 4 thirds however.. 8-0-0-4 he may have beaten cloud computing early at aqueduct.. way before brown got to that guys bottom.. i cant pick them all, today for me i dont like him. but thats me....

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pittsburghphil · Answer

may have never put so much time in a race and been so unsure of myself but thats gambling..... and this really is a great race . over the years and despite not having the derby and preakness winners it should be very entertaining and if you get lucly ,hitting a tri ,super or p4 , whatever.. can be very profitable.. brain is cooked, the undercard has been more manageable for me anyhow.. the guys in here, angry barber, mikey p, sooner,tygermike and some more have made all the points... the jock,trainer stats mikey provided are tools used by most.. breeding and pace were covered also. i ve been reading pps,watching replays and workouts all along. i may be repeating some of them but heres my take on the field....

#1 tom terrific.. i mean twisted tom,my feeling here is chad has a ny bred gelding who is doing great.. they put 75k up,they get castellano .. but he admitted he needs to get better.. beyers if means anything are in some cases 20 points behind most of these.. with that being said they say he can run all day and night. .think chads keeping real power, cloud computing and timeline for saratoga.. not for me ..but this trainer and jock are ridicoulous

#2 tapwrit, pletcher and jose ortiz.. again.....since 2006, pletcher got 2 belmont wins and was 2nd with bluegrass cat,dunkirk,comissioner,stay thirsty and last yr destin. he got patch and this guy.. hasnt been a real late closer. should be ahead of at least 5 or 6 of these late in the game.. ortiz getting so good.. he might be a big edge,his experience in ny.. i like him alot. works and 6th out of 20 in kty mud wasnt so bad..

#3 gormley.. shireffs and espinoza, who has been on board all his starts.. some say he didnt have a chance in kty mud either, s anita derby wasnt special but the horse he beat ran 3rd in kty.. im more about shireffs not sending out him cross country without him being really ready.. breeding is suspect but most are at this classic, just a good start with his versatile style should have him in the picture for at least a piece..all gimmicks...

#4 j boys echo,dale romans and albarado fresh off the injury...romans 0-8 in ny classic,with 4 thirds however.. 8-0-0-4 he may have beaten cloud computing early at aqueduct.. way before brown got to that guys bottom.. i cant pick them all, today for me i dont like him. but thats me....

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pittsburghphil · Answer

#5 hollywood handsome,dallas stewart,florent geroux.. good team, he just beat older in allowance and this stewart got a history of late runners.. my feeling is dallas is very happy to have made this race, not a win candidate in my opinion but underneath who knows..

#6 lookin at lee, asmussen and irad ortiz, last years champ combo..the bad .. he hasnt won since ellis park last summer.. the good ..they and who are they? say he loves it in ny and is doing great.. more good.. if asmussen pulls off a 1-2-3 finish this guys a millionaire without maybe a win this year.. ive got him in some gimmicks but not win bets or p4s..

#7 irish war cry, graham motion,rajiv maragh, i read where he was working so well and motion said he gained 10-15 lbs,, so we now have a favorite 6-4-0-0 life.. my feeling is he got a trainer who can train them up for the longer races as well as anyone and he got a jock that is ok but not great.. exactas may still be ok if wins at 7/2,4/1.. but i have to try and beat him but include him in p4s

vetdrm · Answer

gl Phil

pittsburghphil · Answer

#8 senior investment, mcpeek,channing hill.. been on this guy since a oaklawn win that i liked.. hes come so far since dull ellis park last summer. no speed but hes a player.. and will win something good soon trust me.. if it totally caves in he will be galloping late. not so crazy and early betting had him down to 7/1.. on all my tickets...

#9 meantime.. brian lynch,mikey smith are solid, ran 2nd in peter pan slop and he in my opinion wasnt giving it up late. his maiden win at keeneland also at 1/18 and mud was very good but experts want to know who he beat.. trainers all say the good, lynch says he has him as good as he can. will go a long long way on engine . like al...l hes worried about last 1/8 of a mile. im including him in my plays.. if he qiuts he quits but i see good things ahead for this guy..

#10 multiplier,brendan walsh,rosario..walsh not a household name in the triple crown.. i will mention again his finish in illinois derby was freakish.. his 6th in baltimore was troubled a bit.. he certainly can jump up and grab these guys late and he is another moving forward. he is in exactas, but not in p4..not impossible for any part here. i ,and its just me like others better..

#11 epicharis, wow is he out yet? japan guy up to 12/1 with foot issue.. japan ready to bet millions on this guy in a pool nyra gets a percentage of and the japanese bet very well.. im dead if he wins, i have him underneath in cheap exactas. with a few horses..

#12 patch, pletcher,johnny v.. sentimental choice to go along with being lightly raced and a possible grow up ,also got the breeding if it becomes a factor.. the poor post doesnt help.. but it wouldnt be surprize..

im feeling positive about some on undercard.. i boxed 5 in exacta to start 2,3,7,8,9.. . .

mikeyp1 · Answer

excellent analysis, Philly

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