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    Popo21
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2016 - 1:20 PM ET #1

    After a crazy Raw that saw Shano return, we now have a few matches set for WM32 and the initial odds have been released:

    WWE Heavyweight Championship
    Triple H (c) +260
    Roman Reigns -400

    Brock Lesnar vs Dean Ambrose
    Brock Lesnar -250
    Dean Ambrose +175

    Undertaker vs Shane McMahon
    Undertaker -225
    Shane McMahon +160

    WWE Diva Championship
    Charlotte (c) +110
    Sasha Banks -150

    My thoughts:
    -Reigns wins with the help/backing of the Rock to help get him more over with the fans. HHH has scaled his schedule back, so I don't see him being the champ going into the summer.

    -I could see Ambrose over Lesnar here. He is picking up steam and the fact that he regularly gets manhandled by Brock would be a nice shock win. Plus, I think moving forward there will be a program between Ambrose and Reigns. 

    -This is by far the shortest that he Taker has been for a Wrestlemania. I don't think the WWE would bring Shane back out of the blue, with such a huge stipulation of running the company for now reason. Since the streak is broken and Taker is such a team player, I wouldn't be shocked if he used this opportunity to shake things up. Also, Stone Cold is going to be at WM so potentially he stuns Taker so Vince loses control of the company?

    -Sasha is ready to go over and is too popular not to get the win here. The crowd isn't into Charlotte too much and a Banks/Lynch feud makes sense.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    After a crazy Raw that saw Shano return, we now have a few matches set for WM32 and the initial odds have been released:

    WWE Heavyweight Championship
    Triple H (c) +260
    Roman Reigns -400

    Brock Lesnar vs Dean Ambrose
    Brock Lesnar -250
    Dean Ambrose +175

    Undertaker vs Shane McMahon
    Undertaker -225
    Shane McMahon +160

    WWE Diva Championship
    Charlotte (c) +110
    Sasha Banks -150

    My thoughts:
    -Reigns wins with the help/backing of the Rock to help get him more over with the fans. HHH has scaled his schedule back, so I don't see him being the champ going into the summer.

    -I could see Ambrose over Lesnar here. He is picking up steam and the fact that he regularly gets manhandled by Brock would be a nice shock win. Plus, I think moving forward there will be a program between Ambrose and Reigns. 

    -This is by far the shortest that he Taker has been for a Wrestlemania. I don't think the WWE would bring Shane back out of the blue, with such a huge stipulation of running the company for now reason. Since the streak is broken and Taker is such a team player, I wouldn't be shocked if he used this opportunity to shake things up. Also, Stone Cold is going to be at WM so potentially he stuns Taker so Vince loses control of the company?

    -Sasha is ready to go over and is too popular not to get the win here. The crowd isn't into Charlotte too much and a Banks/Lynch feud makes sense.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2016 - 1:59 PM ET #2

    what book is going to take a bet when the outcome is predetermined? 
    I can't find one anywhere! where did you get these odds? what sportsbook takes action on a circus act?
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    what book is going to take a bet when the outcome is predetermined? 
    I can't find one anywhere! where did you get these odds? what sportsbook takes action on a circus act?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2016 - 2:07 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    what book is going to take a bet when the outcome is predetermined? 
    I can't find one anywhere! where did you get these odds? what sportsbook takes action on a circus act?

    Lots of offshore books take them. These ones are from Bwin, but as it gets closer to the event there are odds at many books.

    They are usually low limit (profit between $100-300), so there isn't too much exposure for them. But, some lucky writer at the WWE can make a nice few grand every month by placing bets on the PPVs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    what book is going to take a bet when the outcome is predetermined? 
    I can't find one anywhere! where did you get these odds? what sportsbook takes action on a circus act?

    Lots of offshore books take them. These ones are from Bwin, but as it gets closer to the event there are odds at many books.

    They are usually low limit (profit between $100-300), so there isn't too much exposure for them. But, some lucky writer at the WWE can make a nice few grand every month by placing bets on the PPVs.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2016 - 2:18 PM ET #4

    I'm surprised they have the Charlotte v Sasha line up because Becky is supposed to be inserted into the match.

    Currently 5Dimes' lines are down so I can't compare at the moment.

    I can't see Reigns losing right now but things can change.

    You're right in the fact that Lesnar has had the upper hand over Ambrose from the start. Ambrose has only gotten over on Lesnar twice and that was due to low blows. If that continues, I think they may put Ambrose over if you want to talk about a guy who is always put down, it's Ambrose. I don't know when they'll ever give him a big win.

    I fully expect Taker to win. He's not one to concede, regardless of the situation. He's expected to be on Raw next week to address the match but unless Vince does something to pisss him off to the point where Taker wants to stick it to Vince, I can't see him taking another WM loss (especially not to Shane in HIAC). Plus, there's a million and one ways to put Shane back into the storylines if he's here to stay. One being the fact that he loses, goes away, and Stephanie continues to run Raw into the ground (as Shane alluded to) and it would give them no other option but to bring Shane back.

    And a side note on the stipulation for that match is that Shane doesn't take control from Vince...he takes control over Raw from Triple H and Stephanie. Yes, Vince is impacted by it but not as much as the other 2.

    And back to the Divas match...I think this may be an instance where they just put over Charlotte here since she was the first one for the push. They'll give her the WM win and then she'll lose the title shortly after in a 1 on 1 match against Sasha. That is, if Becky does get put into this match, which I fully expect will happen.

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    I'm surprised they have the Charlotte v Sasha line up because Becky is supposed to be inserted into the match.

    Currently 5Dimes' lines are down so I can't compare at the moment.

    I can't see Reigns losing right now but things can change.

    You're right in the fact that Lesnar has had the upper hand over Ambrose from the start. Ambrose has only gotten over on Lesnar twice and that was due to low blows. If that continues, I think they may put Ambrose over if you want to talk about a guy who is always put down, it's Ambrose. I don't know when they'll ever give him a big win.

    I fully expect Taker to win. He's not one to concede, regardless of the situation. He's expected to be on Raw next week to address the match but unless Vince does something to pisss him off to the point where Taker wants to stick it to Vince, I can't see him taking another WM loss (especially not to Shane in HIAC). Plus, there's a million and one ways to put Shane back into the storylines if he's here to stay. One being the fact that he loses, goes away, and Stephanie continues to run Raw into the ground (as Shane alluded to) and it would give them no other option but to bring Shane back.

    And a side note on the stipulation for that match is that Shane doesn't take control from Vince...he takes control over Raw from Triple H and Stephanie. Yes, Vince is impacted by it but not as much as the other 2.

    And back to the Divas match...I think this may be an instance where they just put over Charlotte here since she was the first one for the push. They'll give her the WM win and then she'll lose the title shortly after in a 1 on 1 match against Sasha. That is, if Becky does get put into this match, which I fully expect will happen.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 1:33 AM ET #5

    Shane is a lock.  Take that line when you can.  
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    Shane is a lock.  Take that line when you can.  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 3:26 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Popo21:


    Lots of offshore books take them. These ones are from Bwin, but as it gets closer to the event there are odds at many books.

    They are usually low limit (profit between $100-300), so there isn't too much exposure for them. But, some lucky writer at the WWE can make a nice few grand every month by placing bets on the PPVs.
     Appreciate the explanation..you learn something everyday, even on the Covers forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popo21:


    Lots of offshore books take them. These ones are from Bwin, but as it gets closer to the event there are odds at many books.

    They are usually low limit (profit between $100-300), so there isn't too much exposure for them. But, some lucky writer at the WWE can make a nice few grand every month by placing bets on the PPVs.
     Appreciate the explanation..you learn something everyday, even on the Covers forum.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 8:50 AM ET #7

    How in the world is UT -225???

    Wasn't he like -500/-600 vs. Brock? 

    If UT loses, it severely waters down Brock's "who put the 1 in 21-1". This unstoppable WM legend was beaten by Brock and....Shane McMahon who comes back on a whim has one match and beats an all-time legend.

    Wow, if they put Shane over here...

    I agree with Sparky. You can bring Shane back any which way and have him run Raw some other time without having Taker lay down for him to do it.

    And does Taker retire after that? After such an embarrassing loss, how do you book next year's UT match with any hype!

    Is this an opportunity for Corporate Kane's face turn where he interferes with Taker's first and last HOTC matches?

    Gosh. UT @ -225 seems RIDICULOUSLY appealing and far too square to make me comfortable.
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    How in the world is UT -225???

    Wasn't he like -500/-600 vs. Brock? 

    If UT loses, it severely waters down Brock's "who put the 1 in 21-1". This unstoppable WM legend was beaten by Brock and....Shane McMahon who comes back on a whim has one match and beats an all-time legend.

    Wow, if they put Shane over here...

    I agree with Sparky. You can bring Shane back any which way and have him run Raw some other time without having Taker lay down for him to do it.

    And does Taker retire after that? After such an embarrassing loss, how do you book next year's UT match with any hype!

    Is this an opportunity for Corporate Kane's face turn where he interferes with Taker's first and last HOTC matches?

    Gosh. UT @ -225 seems RIDICULOUSLY appealing and far too square to make me comfortable.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 9:37 AM ET #8

    Looks like Reigns actually got the nose surgery.

    Photo:

    https://www.pwmania.com/roman-reigns-off-weekend-wwe-live-events-wwe-doctor-comments-on-his-surgery-another-photo
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    Looks like Reigns actually got the nose surgery.

    Photo:

    https://www.pwmania.com/roman-reigns-off-weekend-wwe-live-events-wwe-doctor-comments-on-his-surgery-another-photo
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 9:41 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Popo21:


    Lots of offshore books take them. These ones are from Bwin, but as it gets closer to the event there are odds at many books.

    They are usually low limit (profit between $100-300), so there isn't too much exposure for them. But, some lucky writer at the WWE can make a nice few grand every month by placing bets on the PPVs.

    Ya know, if 5 Dimes sees someone max betting every PPV match every month and hitting all of them, they're banning them.

    Of course, you could always create a new account but then you have the name/address/credit card recognition. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popo21:


    Lots of offshore books take them. These ones are from Bwin, but as it gets closer to the event there are odds at many books.

    They are usually low limit (profit between $100-300), so there isn't too much exposure for them. But, some lucky writer at the WWE can make a nice few grand every month by placing bets on the PPVs.

    Ya know, if 5 Dimes sees someone max betting every PPV match every month and hitting all of them, they're banning them.

    Of course, you could always create a new account but then you have the name/address/credit card recognition. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 11:03 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    How in the world is UT -225???

    Wasn't he like -500/-600 vs. Brock? 

    If UT loses, it severely waters down Brock's "who put the 1 in 21-1". This unstoppable WM legend was beaten by Brock and....Shane McMahon who comes back on a whim has one match and beats an all-time legend.

    Wow, if they put Shane over here...

    I agree with Sparky. You can bring Shane back any which way and have him run Raw some other time without having Taker lay down for him to do it.

    And does Taker retire after that? After such an embarrassing loss, how do you book next year's UT match with any hype!

    Is this an opportunity for Corporate Kane's face turn where he interferes with Taker's first and last HOTC matches?

    Gosh. UT @ -225 seems RIDICULOUSLY appealing and far too square to make me comfortable.

    I agree, it's really confusing and definitely means there will be some sort of dirty finish because we all know Shane won't go over Taker straight up.

    There is also the possibility of Sting coming back to help Shane and then feud with the Taker, if his neck was healed. It has been about 6 months since his injury, so it's a possibility to set up one final dream match between the two somewhere down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    How in the world is UT -225???

    Wasn't he like -500/-600 vs. Brock? 

    If UT loses, it severely waters down Brock's "who put the 1 in 21-1". This unstoppable WM legend was beaten by Brock and....Shane McMahon who comes back on a whim has one match and beats an all-time legend.

    Wow, if they put Shane over here...

    I agree with Sparky. You can bring Shane back any which way and have him run Raw some other time without having Taker lay down for him to do it.

    And does Taker retire after that? After such an embarrassing loss, how do you book next year's UT match with any hype!

    Is this an opportunity for Corporate Kane's face turn where he interferes with Taker's first and last HOTC matches?

    Gosh. UT @ -225 seems RIDICULOUSLY appealing and far too square to make me comfortable.

    I agree, it's really confusing and definitely means there will be some sort of dirty finish because we all know Shane won't go over Taker straight up.

    There is also the possibility of Sting coming back to help Shane and then feud with the Taker, if his neck was healed. It has been about 6 months since his injury, so it's a possibility to set up one final dream match between the two somewhere down the road.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 1:09 PM ET #11

    vince mcmahon told me whats going to happen can i still bet on this lolol
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    vince mcmahon told me whats going to happen can i still bet on this lolol
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 1:57 PM ET #12

    I figured HHH put the belt on him to loose to Reigns at Wrestlemania, to help put him over... HHH having any kind of long title reign is selfish and bad for the company... and HHH doesnt seem like a selfish guy
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    I figured HHH put the belt on him to loose to Reigns at Wrestlemania, to help put him over... HHH having any kind of long title reign is selfish and bad for the company... and HHH doesnt seem like a selfish guy
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 4:02 PM ET #13

    Unfortunately HHH is the crowd favorite.  You want to hate him, but he's old school.  Don't forget about the wildcard in all of this.......Seth Rollins.  He should be back anytime now.  Either he remains a heal, or we see a Shield reunion.  Just some thoughts to throw in the fire. As far as my picks:

    Don't bet wrestling!!!!  Just enjoy it.  It would be like your wife losing money betting the Oscars.  You would swear to her it was rigged.  
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    Unfortunately HHH is the crowd favorite.  You want to hate him, but he's old school.  Don't forget about the wildcard in all of this.......Seth Rollins.  He should be back anytime now.  Either he remains a heal, or we see a Shield reunion.  Just some thoughts to throw in the fire. As far as my picks:

    Don't bet wrestling!!!!  Just enjoy it.  It would be like your wife losing money betting the Oscars.  You would swear to her it was rigged.  
     
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    Scal,

    Shane's current contract is reportedly for the "short-term" so you can add that into the mix. I agree 100% with you that a loss to Shane not only waters down Brock's win but waters down Taker as he loses to Shane AT WM IN a HIAC match. The only way Shane wins is if Taker gives it to him and even then it makes The GREAT Undertaker look soft, which isn't for him. Not to mention, up until this point, he has no reason to shove it to The Authority. I could see Shane get his behind kicked but still come off as he put up a hell of a fight but it wasn't enough. And then maybe he comes back once more reports of Triple H and Stephanie running Raw into the ground comes to light after WM as it becomes a storyline.

    As for Reigns and the surgery...it was a real surgery but for a pre-existing injury that was put off until after Raw to add it to the storyline. But it's a good rebuttal for the Byron Saxton video that went around but it's not good enough to sell most people.

    Popo,

    Not sure if there can be a shady finish in a HIAC match. No DQ or anything like that and who's really going to go out of there way to help Shane against Undertaker? Neither is a heel. Yea there are ways (a la Bray) but nobody is against both The Authority AND Taker. As for Sting...as of this weekend, he still hasn't even had surgery yet so I don't expect that to be a possibility. I can see how that could be a possibility because he would be the only one to have it in for The Authority AND a way to get that dream match set up but I feel like it would have to be a quick turnaround to start the feud. I can't imagine him screwing Taker and then waiting a year to have the match at WM (where the match has to take place, right?).
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    Scal,

    Shane's current contract is reportedly for the "short-term" so you can add that into the mix. I agree 100% with you that a loss to Shane not only waters down Brock's win but waters down Taker as he loses to Shane AT WM IN a HIAC match. The only way Shane wins is if Taker gives it to him and even then it makes The GREAT Undertaker look soft, which isn't for him. Not to mention, up until this point, he has no reason to shove it to The Authority. I could see Shane get his behind kicked but still come off as he put up a hell of a fight but it wasn't enough. And then maybe he comes back once more reports of Triple H and Stephanie running Raw into the ground comes to light after WM as it becomes a storyline.

    As for Reigns and the surgery...it was a real surgery but for a pre-existing injury that was put off until after Raw to add it to the storyline. But it's a good rebuttal for the Byron Saxton video that went around but it's not good enough to sell most people.

    Popo,

    Not sure if there can be a shady finish in a HIAC match. No DQ or anything like that and who's really going to go out of there way to help Shane against Undertaker? Neither is a heel. Yea there are ways (a la Bray) but nobody is against both The Authority AND Taker. As for Sting...as of this weekend, he still hasn't even had surgery yet so I don't expect that to be a possibility. I can see how that could be a possibility because he would be the only one to have it in for The Authority AND a way to get that dream match set up but I feel like it would have to be a quick turnaround to start the feud. I can't imagine him screwing Taker and then waiting a year to have the match at WM (where the match has to take place, right?).
     
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    And I wrote this in the other thread but I'll transition to this one...

    Word is that Raw is going to be more edgy in the weeks leading up to WM. We can only hope, right? The cursing and blood spot were, indeed, in the plans.

    Dave Meltzer made an interesting assumption as well. He indicate that "it is possible that a real-life soap opera behind the scenes between Shane and Triple H/Stephanie could become way more interesting than the fiction one. For years, Shane had various roles in the company but HHH/Stephanie gained power and Shane ended up leaving. Now that Shane is back, that could potentially open the door for another internal power struggle. It's worth noting that Triple H was not involved in the Shane return segment and while Triple H is supposed to be a heel in his feud against Roman Reigns, it was interesting timing that he acted like a babyface during his angle with Reigns on Raw. Maybe he was intentionally trying to get a big babyface pop from the crowd. Especially with his leather jacket attire."

    As of now...Shane is only signed up to be a "short-term performer" and isn't involved in any backstage creative talks with storylines.

    Undertaker is set to be on Raw this Monday and Shane is expected to be on Raw (in Chicago) the following week.

    Also, as of now, Reigns is expected to leave WM with the title. But, as we've learned in the past, that can change. But I can't fathom Vince giving in to the pressure AGAIN.
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    And I wrote this in the other thread but I'll transition to this one...

    Word is that Raw is going to be more edgy in the weeks leading up to WM. We can only hope, right? The cursing and blood spot were, indeed, in the plans.

    Dave Meltzer made an interesting assumption as well. He indicate that "it is possible that a real-life soap opera behind the scenes between Shane and Triple H/Stephanie could become way more interesting than the fiction one. For years, Shane had various roles in the company but HHH/Stephanie gained power and Shane ended up leaving. Now that Shane is back, that could potentially open the door for another internal power struggle. It's worth noting that Triple H was not involved in the Shane return segment and while Triple H is supposed to be a heel in his feud against Roman Reigns, it was interesting timing that he acted like a babyface during his angle with Reigns on Raw. Maybe he was intentionally trying to get a big babyface pop from the crowd. Especially with his leather jacket attire."

    As of now...Shane is only signed up to be a "short-term performer" and isn't involved in any backstage creative talks with storylines.

    Undertaker is set to be on Raw this Monday and Shane is expected to be on Raw (in Chicago) the following week.

    Also, as of now, Reigns is expected to leave WM with the title. But, as we've learned in the past, that can change. But I can't fathom Vince giving in to the pressure AGAIN.
     
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    Good stuff spark.

    If Reigns leaves with the title they HAVE to turn him heel by taking out the Rock, then setting up a rock/reigns match at the next PPV.

    Now that the fans would fully embrace.

    And please, we have begged Vince to turn Cena heel for at least 5-7 years. 

    Can we please turn a guy heel when the crowd vocally destroys him week after week? 




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    Good stuff spark.

    If Reigns leaves with the title they HAVE to turn him heel by taking out the Rock, then setting up a rock/reigns match at the next PPV.

    Now that the fans would fully embrace.

    And please, we have begged Vince to turn Cena heel for at least 5-7 years. 

    Can we please turn a guy heel when the crowd vocally destroys him week after week? 




     
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    I like reading these wrestling threads. I have been to only one card. After much begging my father took me to the Olympic Auditorium when I was eight. Lou Thez had come out of retirement and was wrestling The Destroyer. I remember that they had each other in a mutual figure 4 leg lock, and the ref (Johnny "red shoes" Dugan) stopped the match rather than risk permanent damage to either wrestler. The other match I remember was for the World Tag Team title between Buddy "the killer" Austin and El Mongol vs. Luis Herrera and Pedro Morales. Which thru double reverse cheater machinations Hernandez and Morales won. The crowd erupted and there were many old people there to see Thez. 49 years ago and i recall it so vividly.
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    I like reading these wrestling threads. I have been to only one card. After much begging my father took me to the Olympic Auditorium when I was eight. Lou Thez had come out of retirement and was wrestling The Destroyer. I remember that they had each other in a mutual figure 4 leg lock, and the ref (Johnny "red shoes" Dugan) stopped the match rather than risk permanent damage to either wrestler. The other match I remember was for the World Tag Team title between Buddy "the killer" Austin and El Mongol vs. Luis Herrera and Pedro Morales. Which thru double reverse cheater machinations Hernandez and Morales won. The crowd erupted and there were many old people there to see Thez. 49 years ago and i recall it so vividly.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Good stuff spark.

    If Reigns leaves with the title they HAVE to turn him heel by taking out the Rock, then setting up a rock/reigns match at the next PPV.

    Now that the fans would fully embrace.

    And please, we have begged Vince to turn Cena heel for at least 5-7 years. 

    Can we please turn a guy heel when the crowd vocally destroys him week after week? 





    They are not having Rock be on the sidelines at Mania and the wrestle at the next PPV.  Rock can't wrestle because of his movie commitments.  There's a chance he can turn on Rock I guess, but I really doubt it.  Reigns leaving Mania as champion wouldn't make much sense as a face, but it seems like they've wanted this for over a year already, so who knows.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Good stuff spark.

    If Reigns leaves with the title they HAVE to turn him heel by taking out the Rock, then setting up a rock/reigns match at the next PPV.

    Now that the fans would fully embrace.

    And please, we have begged Vince to turn Cena heel for at least 5-7 years. 

    Can we please turn a guy heel when the crowd vocally destroys him week after week? 





    They are not having Rock be on the sidelines at Mania and the wrestle at the next PPV.  Rock can't wrestle because of his movie commitments.  There's a chance he can turn on Rock I guess, but I really doubt it.  Reigns leaving Mania as champion wouldn't make much sense as a face, but it seems like they've wanted this for over a year already, so who knows.  
     
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    HHH vs Brock next ppv. 

    saw the build up to that story line when HHH came out after brock win and tapped the belt Brock staring at him 
    Brock signed an exclusive contract with wwe and wont be fighting in octagon wwe is going to use that talent.

    not sure how it works but a road leads to showdown for the title.

    with these two legends. 
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    HHH vs Brock next ppv. 

    saw the build up to that story line when HHH came out after brock win and tapped the belt Brock staring at him 
    Brock signed an exclusive contract with wwe and wont be fighting in octagon wwe is going to use that talent.

    not sure how it works but a road leads to showdown for the title.

    with these two legends. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Good stuff spark.

    If Reigns leaves with the title they HAVE to turn him heel by taking out the Rock, then setting up a rock/reigns match at the next PPV.

    Now that the fans would fully embrace.

    And please, we have begged Vince to turn Cena heel for at least 5-7 years. 

    Can we please turn a guy heel when the crowd vocally destroys him week after week? 





    Austin just voiced his opinion as well and that he's said all along that Reigns had to be a heel first for him to be universally loved (which everyone but Vince apparently agrees on). But I've still read that the plan is for him to be their top face for years to come with Cena. I just hope Vince opens his eyes.

    His merchandise sells well but it's not on Cena's level and Cena's Make a Wish stuff makes it really hard for them to turn him heel. Reigns doesn't have those issues so you might as well turn him heel. Not to mention, if the Shane takes over and Reigns wins and turns on Rock, it's as easy a transition as it gets. You can now have your top heel around while not having to cross paths with The Authority (because, unless he teams with them, which makes no sense, it's hard for both to be on the show and heels at the same time). But for that to immediately work, that means Shane wins and I still can't see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Good stuff spark.

    If Reigns leaves with the title they HAVE to turn him heel by taking out the Rock, then setting up a rock/reigns match at the next PPV.

    Now that the fans would fully embrace.

    And please, we have begged Vince to turn Cena heel for at least 5-7 years. 

    Can we please turn a guy heel when the crowd vocally destroys him week after week? 





    Austin just voiced his opinion as well and that he's said all along that Reigns had to be a heel first for him to be universally loved (which everyone but Vince apparently agrees on). But I've still read that the plan is for him to be their top face for years to come with Cena. I just hope Vince opens his eyes.

    His merchandise sells well but it's not on Cena's level and Cena's Make a Wish stuff makes it really hard for them to turn him heel. Reigns doesn't have those issues so you might as well turn him heel. Not to mention, if the Shane takes over and Reigns wins and turns on Rock, it's as easy a transition as it gets. You can now have your top heel around while not having to cross paths with The Authority (because, unless he teams with them, which makes no sense, it's hard for both to be on the show and heels at the same time). But for that to immediately work, that means Shane wins and I still can't see that.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    They are not having Rock be on the sidelines at Mania and the wrestle at the next PPV.  Rock can't wrestle because of his movie commitments.  There's a chance he can turn on Rock I guess, but I really doubt it.  Reigns leaving Mania as champion wouldn't make much sense as a face, but it seems like they've wanted this for over a year already, so who knows.  

    That's really the best way to turn him heel, though. I agree that it won't carry over immediately to the next PPV but he can open Raw the next night as a heel, explain himself, then start a feud with Ambrose to push himself as a heel. It'll only be a matter of time before Rock could come back and start a feud with him.

    Or...we can throw out assumption that The Rock will be there to celebrate with him and Ambrose comes out and Reigns then turns on HIM to start that immediate feud. But I guess we'll see how his match with Lesnar turns out before we see if he ends up coming out at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    They are not having Rock be on the sidelines at Mania and the wrestle at the next PPV.  Rock can't wrestle because of his movie commitments.  There's a chance he can turn on Rock I guess, but I really doubt it.  Reigns leaving Mania as champion wouldn't make much sense as a face, but it seems like they've wanted this for over a year already, so who knows.  

    That's really the best way to turn him heel, though. I agree that it won't carry over immediately to the next PPV but he can open Raw the next night as a heel, explain himself, then start a feud with Ambrose to push himself as a heel. It'll only be a matter of time before Rock could come back and start a feud with him.

    Or...we can throw out assumption that The Rock will be there to celebrate with him and Ambrose comes out and Reigns then turns on HIM to start that immediate feud. But I guess we'll see how his match with Lesnar turns out before we see if he ends up coming out at the end.
     
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    It's interesting for Triple H to be defending his title at a WWE Network Special event on March 12th. Nobody can really expect him to lose, right? So what's the point?
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    It's interesting for Triple H to be defending his title at a WWE Network Special event on March 12th. Nobody can really expect him to lose, right? So what's the point?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    It's interesting for Triple H to be defending his title at a WWE Network Special event on March 12th. Nobody can really expect him to lose, right? So what's the point?

    i like the build up he gonna get "management " help to get through reigns ,maybe not 
    walks away some kind of under handed back room thing making him a real bad guy when he faces brock can lose and then golden boy can reign. and face big man matches cena, rock,reigns and hhh in a fatal four way summer slam. 

    just my humble opinion.

    mania begins and ends storylines. i watch for entertainment value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    It's interesting for Triple H to be defending his title at a WWE Network Special event on March 12th. Nobody can really expect him to lose, right? So what's the point?

    i like the build up he gonna get "management " help to get through reigns ,maybe not 
    walks away some kind of under handed back room thing making him a real bad guy when he faces brock can lose and then golden boy can reign. and face big man matches cena, rock,reigns and hhh in a fatal four way summer slam. 

    just my humble opinion.

    mania begins and ends storylines. i watch for entertainment value.
     
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    My browser uses cookies to select articles to place on my screen, so I happen to see a lot of WWE rumors from a place called CageSideSeats.

    Like Sparky, I also saw that Shane isn't expected back much past Wreslemania. It's a short term pop. Anything can happen though, there's still 5 more weeks of buildup, and I think I also saw that Shane is booked for RAW the week after next.

    They announced in Tuesday that Becky and Sasha are going to have a match Monday for #1 Contender. It wouldn't make sense for Becky to win that, considering she just had a match with Charlotte and lost, and since Sasha is pretty over right now.

    Surprised the Reigns line is so low. I don't think the fans want to see another Reigns/Triple H feud going forward. The plan all along was for Reigns to win the title at Mania. Shane was brought in to drive ratings into Mania, and for damage control for those feeling cheated by such an obvious win.

    WWE writers are working frantically to get Reigns over by Mania, or to script a match. The only way Triple H wins is if he's almost immediately put into a feud with Rollins right after. Rollins can't physically make it back by then.

    As over as the New Day is, and as much as there is no one else to challenge them really, I think they need to drop the title sometime soon. Either that, or by Summerslam. It's no fun to see guys seemingly hold the title for forever unless it's really an unbeatable guy like Lesnar.

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    My browser uses cookies to select articles to place on my screen, so I happen to see a lot of WWE rumors from a place called CageSideSeats.

    Like Sparky, I also saw that Shane isn't expected back much past Wreslemania. It's a short term pop. Anything can happen though, there's still 5 more weeks of buildup, and I think I also saw that Shane is booked for RAW the week after next.

    They announced in Tuesday that Becky and Sasha are going to have a match Monday for #1 Contender. It wouldn't make sense for Becky to win that, considering she just had a match with Charlotte and lost, and since Sasha is pretty over right now.

    Surprised the Reigns line is so low. I don't think the fans want to see another Reigns/Triple H feud going forward. The plan all along was for Reigns to win the title at Mania. Shane was brought in to drive ratings into Mania, and for damage control for those feeling cheated by such an obvious win.

    WWE writers are working frantically to get Reigns over by Mania, or to script a match. The only way Triple H wins is if he's almost immediately put into a feud with Rollins right after. Rollins can't physically make it back by then.

    As over as the New Day is, and as much as there is no one else to challenge them really, I think they need to drop the title sometime soon. Either that, or by Summerslam. It's no fun to see guys seemingly hold the title for forever unless it's really an unbeatable guy like Lesnar.

     
     
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    Slamspurs

    Yea, I think it's too early to tell what happens with Shane post-WM but ratings were apparently huge last week and will be just as big next week because he's advertised (WITH Taker). Taker is alone this week but put them both on the card and ratings will be great for them.

    There's no point in having a #1 contenders match 5 weeks out so I still think Charlotte v Sasha v Becky is going to happen. Didn't they all debut the night at WM last year? It really only makes sense to have a Triple Threat Match between them this year.

    The thing that always confuses me is the rematch clause for champions. Obviously Triple H gets one if he loses to Reigns here but part time wrestlers don't ALWAYS use it but I wonder how they get passed that this time.

    Writers have been frantically trying to get Reigns over for 2 years now and they simply can't. Fans don't think he's worth it because everyone knows that he's Vince's hand-picked guy and nobody likes that. The most over regular right now is probably AJ Styles unless I'm missing something. And if he fights Owens at WM, I'll LOVE that match.

    As for New Day...I wonder how they'll go about their title reign. I'm guessing they'll lose it to the Usos or Dudleys and I forgot what happened with them last Raw as I was hyped up on the big storylines but they did seem to place face at Fast Lane once The League of Nations came into the pictures. So if they turn face, then they can lose to the Dudleys but I think they're better as corny heels and it's more likely they'll lose to The Usos and then have the Usos feud with The Dudleys.

    Just my thoughts on the matters at hand. 
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    Slamspurs

    Yea, I think it's too early to tell what happens with Shane post-WM but ratings were apparently huge last week and will be just as big next week because he's advertised (WITH Taker). Taker is alone this week but put them both on the card and ratings will be great for them.

    There's no point in having a #1 contenders match 5 weeks out so I still think Charlotte v Sasha v Becky is going to happen. Didn't they all debut the night at WM last year? It really only makes sense to have a Triple Threat Match between them this year.

    The thing that always confuses me is the rematch clause for champions. Obviously Triple H gets one if he loses to Reigns here but part time wrestlers don't ALWAYS use it but I wonder how they get passed that this time.

    Writers have been frantically trying to get Reigns over for 2 years now and they simply can't. Fans don't think he's worth it because everyone knows that he's Vince's hand-picked guy and nobody likes that. The most over regular right now is probably AJ Styles unless I'm missing something. And if he fights Owens at WM, I'll LOVE that match.

    As for New Day...I wonder how they'll go about their title reign. I'm guessing they'll lose it to the Usos or Dudleys and I forgot what happened with them last Raw as I was hyped up on the big storylines but they did seem to place face at Fast Lane once The League of Nations came into the pictures. So if they turn face, then they can lose to the Dudleys but I think they're better as corny heels and it's more likely they'll lose to The Usos and then have the Usos feud with The Dudleys.

    Just my thoughts on the matters at hand. 
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