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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 5:14 PM ET #751

    Is it true that if you ban someones ip that they could be somewhere else and use a different ip and not really be bothered?  If someone has access to over 400 computers in three  different countries would it be harder to ban their ip?  Or if they had a mobile card? It sounds futile but entertaining. If the traffic is bad during the steeler game and they are not playing at home how does one explain this? Why isnt it bad every day.
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    Is it true that if you ban someones ip that they could be somewhere else and use a different ip and not really be bothered?  If someone has access to over 400 computers in three  different countries would it be harder to ban their ip?  Or if they had a mobile card? It sounds futile but entertaining. If the traffic is bad during the steeler game and they are not playing at home how does one explain this? Why isnt it bad every day.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 5:36 PM ET #752

    Doesn't matter, I need/want you here.  You continue to make me seem even more right about 9/11 with every post 
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    Doesn't matter, I need/want you here.  You continue to make me seem even more right about 9/11 with every post 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 6:04 PM ET #753

    and if u r right? then what?  it has sucked so much time and energy that u lose anyway.
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    and if u r right? then what?  it has sucked so much time and energy that u lose anyway.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 6:09 PM ET #754

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


    You're right about your point Train, but using that video as supporting evidence of your claims isn't really the correct route to take

    There is so much stuff out there to lead one to think something is rotten....I'm not using this to prove any point, because I dont have one. All I'm saying is that he used the word "explosives"....if he was referring to simply the planes themselves, how do you mix up those 2 words (yes, GW is a coke sniffing moron, but still)?? He most certainly was referring to 9/11 ....

    Something doesnt add up....the planes/terrorists/calls/government/video......its an incredible story we've been told.....I believe about 75% is the truth....

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


    You're right about your point Train, but using that video as supporting evidence of your claims isn't really the correct route to take

    There is so much stuff out there to lead one to think something is rotten....I'm not using this to prove any point, because I dont have one. All I'm saying is that he used the word "explosives"....if he was referring to simply the planes themselves, how do you mix up those 2 words (yes, GW is a coke sniffing moron, but still)?? He most certainly was referring to 9/11 ....

    Something doesnt add up....the planes/terrorists/calls/government/video......its an incredible story we've been told.....I believe about 75% is the truth....

     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 6:50 PM ET #755

    Joe Namath guaranteed a win  while the jets were big underdogs against the baltimore colts who are now in indy where peyton manning is the qb who happens to be the son of archie manning who was a qb for the new orlean saints who also has a son eli who is guess what   thats right a qb for the new york giants. How is all this possible when Joe Namath is from beaver falls and mike ditka and tony dorsett are from aliquippa and guess where they played   THEY BOTH PLAYED FOR DALLAS   the same team who fired their coach three days after saying his job was safe. Thats tooooooo much coincidence to be overlooked. And not one of them use nail polish or are polish. How does anyone refute this? I am waiting for my answers. I dare anyone to dig up more truth than this post.
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    Joe Namath guaranteed a win  while the jets were big underdogs against the baltimore colts who are now in indy where peyton manning is the qb who happens to be the son of archie manning who was a qb for the new orlean saints who also has a son eli who is guess what   thats right a qb for the new york giants. How is all this possible when Joe Namath is from beaver falls and mike ditka and tony dorsett are from aliquippa and guess where they played   THEY BOTH PLAYED FOR DALLAS   the same team who fired their coach three days after saying his job was safe. Thats tooooooo much coincidence to be overlooked. And not one of them use nail polish or are polish. How does anyone refute this? I am waiting for my answers. I dare anyone to dig up more truth than this post.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 7:39 PM ET #756

    Quote Originally Posted by tillyo:

    Joe Namath guaranteed a win  while the jets were big underdogs against the baltimore colts who are now in indy where peyton manning is the qb who happens to be the son of archie manning who was a qb for the new orlean saints who also has a son eli who is guess what   thats right a qb for the new york giants. How is all this possible when Joe Namath is from beaver falls and mike ditka and tony dorsett are from aliquippa and guess where they played   THEY BOTH PLAYED FOR DALLAS   the same team who fired their coach three days after saying his job was safe. Thats tooooooo much coincidence to be overlooked. And not one of them use nail polish or are polish. How does anyone refute this? I am waiting for my answers. I dare anyone to dig up more truth than this post.

    Dare taken.

    You are an idiot. Simple truth without digging. Good luck in hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by tillyo:

    Joe Namath guaranteed a win  while the jets were big underdogs against the baltimore colts who are now in indy where peyton manning is the qb who happens to be the son of archie manning who was a qb for the new orlean saints who also has a son eli who is guess what   thats right a qb for the new york giants. How is all this possible when Joe Namath is from beaver falls and mike ditka and tony dorsett are from aliquippa and guess where they played   THEY BOTH PLAYED FOR DALLAS   the same team who fired their coach three days after saying his job was safe. Thats tooooooo much coincidence to be overlooked. And not one of them use nail polish or are polish. How does anyone refute this? I am waiting for my answers. I dare anyone to dig up more truth than this post.

    Dare taken.

    You are an idiot. Simple truth without digging. Good luck in hell

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2010 - 2:00 PM ET #757

    I also find this rather disturbing.


    Days until government investigations on the following:

    Pearl Harbor:  9

    Kennedy Assassination:  7

    Challenger Disaster:  7

    9/11/2001:   411



    Budget for the following:

    Challenger Disaster:  $75,000,000

    Columbia Disaster:  $50,000,000

    Clinton's "Indiscretion":  $40,000,000

    9/11/2001:  $3,000,000
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    I also find this rather disturbing.


    Days until government investigations on the following:

    Pearl Harbor:  9

    Kennedy Assassination:  7

    Challenger Disaster:  7

    9/11/2001:   411



    Budget for the following:

    Challenger Disaster:  $75,000,000

    Columbia Disaster:  $50,000,000

    Clinton's "Indiscretion":  $40,000,000

    9/11/2001:  $3,000,000
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2010 - 8:06 AM ET #758

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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2010 - 12:55 PM ET #759

    They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
    And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
    And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
    Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
    But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
    In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
    I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
    I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
    And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
    About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
    Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
    And then it disappeared from the news permanently
    They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
    "Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
    Rockin a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
    Word to Ground Zero
    The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
    The New World Order was born on September 11



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    They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
    And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
    And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
    Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
    But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
    In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
    I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
    I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
    And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
    About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
    Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
    And then it disappeared from the news permanently
    They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
    "Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
    Rockin a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
    Word to Ground Zero
    The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
    The New World Order was born on September 11



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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2010 - 7:34 PM ET #760

    cricket sounds ...............cricket sounds
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    cricket sounds ...............cricket sounds
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2010 - 11:28 PM ET #761

    president  bush is on o'reilly      AWESOME   last night hannity  also awesome.
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2010 - 11:28 PM ET #762

    president  bush is on o'reilly      AWESOME   last night hannity  also awesome.
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    president  bush is on o'reilly      AWESOME   last night hannity  also awesome.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2010 - 9:52 AM ET #763

    hey tillyo you see that pitt game last night? Loved it they cant tackle.
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    hey tillyo you see that pitt game last night? Loved it they cant tackle.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2010 - 9:55 AM ET #764

    oh yeah thats cool   what do you think of 911? The terrorist did it     and moving on!!!!!!!!!!
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    oh yeah thats cool   what do you think of 911? The terrorist did it     and moving on!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2010 - 12:20 AM ET #765

    probably right tillyo. Good call.
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2010 - 10:06 PM ET #766

    geraldo at large peps agree with SMDIO about WTC7!!!!!!!!
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    geraldo at large peps agree with SMDIO about WTC7!!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2010 - 10:21 PM ET #767

    no they dont
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2010 - 11:10 PM ET #768

    one of the most secure buildings on the planet "Pentagon"  and they dont have one single clear picture of a plane hitting the building, yet they have cameras in outer space that can read the date on a dime from up there.

    Man some of you people just donot know how to use your own minds and apply some common sense.

    Really just think about the crazy things that happened, like the put options on the airlines just days before.  Come on people wake up and stop believing what they want you to believe, instead use your own brain power to see thru it. That stock market stuff wasnt just some traders getting lucky, they knew exactly what was gonna happen.

    If the govt wanted to stop all this 911 conspiracy talk, then all they would have to do is provide real facts and this stuff would all be over, but they cant because they were behind it.  Sure it sounds nuts when you actually say that, but men with money and power are very capable of pulling this off. Sad part is the other side is always going to win  this arguement because these powerful people have the money and capabilities to always make the conspiracy side look like nuts, when they truly arent in this case.

     

    Like i said when somebody can show me one clear picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon, then i wont believe the govt and powerful people didnt do this.

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    one of the most secure buildings on the planet "Pentagon"  and they dont have one single clear picture of a plane hitting the building, yet they have cameras in outer space that can read the date on a dime from up there.

    Man some of you people just donot know how to use your own minds and apply some common sense.

    Really just think about the crazy things that happened, like the put options on the airlines just days before.  Come on people wake up and stop believing what they want you to believe, instead use your own brain power to see thru it. That stock market stuff wasnt just some traders getting lucky, they knew exactly what was gonna happen.

    If the govt wanted to stop all this 911 conspiracy talk, then all they would have to do is provide real facts and this stuff would all be over, but they cant because they were behind it.  Sure it sounds nuts when you actually say that, but men with money and power are very capable of pulling this off. Sad part is the other side is always going to win  this arguement because these powerful people have the money and capabilities to always make the conspiracy side look like nuts, when they truly arent in this case.

     

    Like i said when somebody can show me one clear picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon, then i wont believe the govt and powerful people didnt do this.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 12:36 AM ET #769

    South Park honestly had a funny little satire on this, but the idea was that the government wants us to think that they were behind it(but was not) that way they are still able to control the "Sheep" threw fear. It is South Park but i feel at least this takes from both sides, and it's a lot less kooky than 99% of the shit out there.

    Main Problem with conspiracy theories are that they are very poorly organized, it's really nothing more an Internet rumor, it's youtube, it's 4chan, hell it's covers. People need to let the scientists do there job because when they don't you get 17 year old kids with Photo Shop M5 making movies and just guessing. once you lose credibility it's over and with 99%(maybe 100) of this being Debunked, what are we doing?

    If you watch a movie and 99% of it is bull shit, benefit of the doubt I'm not  be going off of it

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    South Park honestly had a funny little satire on this, but the idea was that the government wants us to think that they were behind it(but was not) that way they are still able to control the "Sheep" threw fear. It is South Park but i feel at least this takes from both sides, and it's a lot less kooky than 99% of the shit out there.

    Main Problem with conspiracy theories are that they are very poorly organized, it's really nothing more an Internet rumor, it's youtube, it's 4chan, hell it's covers. People need to let the scientists do there job because when they don't you get 17 year old kids with Photo Shop M5 making movies and just guessing. once you lose credibility it's over and with 99%(maybe 100) of this being Debunked, what are we doing?

    If you watch a movie and 99% of it is bull shit, benefit of the doubt I'm not  be going off of it

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    one of the most secure buildings on the planet "Pentagon"  and they dont have one single clear picture of a plane hitting the building, yet they have cameras in outer space that can read the date on a dime from up there.

    Man some of you people just donot know how to use your own minds and apply some common sense.

    Really just think about the crazy things that happened, like the put options on the airlines just days before.  Come on people wake up and stop believing what they want you to believe, instead use your own brain power to see thru it. That stock market stuff wasnt just some traders getting lucky, they knew exactly what was gonna happen.

    If the govt wanted to stop all this 911 conspiracy talk, then all they would have to do is provide real facts and this stuff would all be over, but they cant because they were behind it.  Sure it sounds nuts when you actually say that, but men with money and power are very capable of pulling this off. Sad part is the other side is always going to win  this arguement because these powerful people have the money and capabilities to always make the conspiracy side look like nuts, when they truly arent in this case.

     

    Like i said when somebody can show me one clear picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon, then i wont believe the govt and powerful people didnt do this.



    I had plenty of AA put options going into 9/11, does that mean I was in on it too ? Nah, it was an easy play as the the market was clearly trending down before the attacks. So what do I normally do when I see the market about to trend lower? I short it, that's the play. As a matter of fact I was shorting autos that day too. Those were winners as well. Wake up rubes.


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    one of the most secure buildings on the planet "Pentagon"  and they dont have one single clear picture of a plane hitting the building, yet they have cameras in outer space that can read the date on a dime from up there.

    Man some of you people just donot know how to use your own minds and apply some common sense.

    Really just think about the crazy things that happened, like the put options on the airlines just days before.  Come on people wake up and stop believing what they want you to believe, instead use your own brain power to see thru it. That stock market stuff wasnt just some traders getting lucky, they knew exactly what was gonna happen.

    If the govt wanted to stop all this 911 conspiracy talk, then all they would have to do is provide real facts and this stuff would all be over, but they cant because they were behind it.  Sure it sounds nuts when you actually say that, but men with money and power are very capable of pulling this off. Sad part is the other side is always going to win  this arguement because these powerful people have the money and capabilities to always make the conspiracy side look like nuts, when they truly arent in this case.

     

    Like i said when somebody can show me one clear picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon, then i wont believe the govt and powerful people didnt do this.



    I had plenty of AA put options going into 9/11, does that mean I was in on it too ? Nah, it was an easy play as the the market was clearly trending down before the attacks. So what do I normally do when I see the market about to trend lower? I short it, that's the play. As a matter of fact I was shorting autos that day too. Those were winners as well. Wake up rubes.


     
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    i only read up to page 11 so perhaps i'm rehashing something that was already said...

    first off, condolences on your loss.

    if this was in fact a conspiracy, someone def. would have come out by now..this type of undertaken would have taken many, many people to perpetrate and I’m sure someone would want to come out as attempt to wash the blood off of their hands…

     

    secondly, there has been debris found in PA and body parts…they dug one of the engines out w/ a backhoe…how would a cruise missile have an engine of a plane…and shit was scattered for miles…so they put body parts and misc. items in a cruise missile…and no one saw this missile?

     

    They landed in Cleveland? And then where are all the people? Were they rounded up and shipped off to gitmo? Or murdered in a firing line somewhere? Or maybe paid off? “hey we’ll give you 5 MM to disappear from your family and loved ones OK. And then they all went…

     

    There were so many intricacies of these attacks that the gov’t/whoever could have never pulled it off w/out mistakes that would prove it be a conspiracy. They wouldn’t have used 4 planes to do this…the more involved the greater chance of slip-ups…and I agree that they would have just used bombs at the WTC...esp. if the dogs were pulled out.

     

    And they met w/ Bin Laden?...”hey man, we know to hate us infidels but we’re trying to kill our countrymen for our benefit so can you just go along w/ it?...and of course we will invade Afghanistan and slaughter thousands, but you’re cool w/ that right?

     

    And even w/ all the tech we have, do people honestly think that we would find one person out of the millions of people that look very similar? From outer space w/ a satellite?...but I do believe that we could catch him through some good HUMINT but then what? A martyr for the cause that could make things even worse as we know that radicals take that jihad B/S to heart…

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    i only read up to page 11 so perhaps i'm rehashing something that was already said...

    first off, condolences on your loss.

    if this was in fact a conspiracy, someone def. would have come out by now..this type of undertaken would have taken many, many people to perpetrate and I’m sure someone would want to come out as attempt to wash the blood off of their hands…

     

    secondly, there has been debris found in PA and body parts…they dug one of the engines out w/ a backhoe…how would a cruise missile have an engine of a plane…and shit was scattered for miles…so they put body parts and misc. items in a cruise missile…and no one saw this missile?

     

    They landed in Cleveland? And then where are all the people? Were they rounded up and shipped off to gitmo? Or murdered in a firing line somewhere? Or maybe paid off? “hey we’ll give you 5 MM to disappear from your family and loved ones OK. And then they all went…

     

    There were so many intricacies of these attacks that the gov’t/whoever could have never pulled it off w/out mistakes that would prove it be a conspiracy. They wouldn’t have used 4 planes to do this…the more involved the greater chance of slip-ups…and I agree that they would have just used bombs at the WTC...esp. if the dogs were pulled out.

     

    And they met w/ Bin Laden?...”hey man, we know to hate us infidels but we’re trying to kill our countrymen for our benefit so can you just go along w/ it?...and of course we will invade Afghanistan and slaughter thousands, but you’re cool w/ that right?

     

    And even w/ all the tech we have, do people honestly think that we would find one person out of the millions of people that look very similar? From outer space w/ a satellite?...but I do believe that we could catch him through some good HUMINT but then what? A martyr for the cause that could make things even worse as we know that radicals take that jihad B/S to heart…

     
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    So let me get this straight...tillyo is smdio

     

     

    COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
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    Brilliant nuggins!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:



    I had plenty of AA put options going into 9/11, does that mean I was in on it too ? Nah, it was an easy play as the the market was clearly trending down before the attacks. So what do I normally do when I see the market about to trend lower? I short it, that's the play. As a matter of fact I was shorting autos that day too. Those were winners as well. Wake up rubes.




    Its clearly obvious that the activity was insider based. Who was the insider is the question. The terrorists, the government, or the terrorists/government?

    LOL, it wasn't normal market activity as you are trying to imply. Rubes?......
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    I had plenty of AA put options going into 9/11, does that mean I was in on it too ? Nah, it was an easy play as the the market was clearly trending down before the attacks. So what do I normally do when I see the market about to trend lower? I short it, that's the play. As a matter of fact I was shorting autos that day too. Those were winners as well. Wake up rubes.




    Its clearly obvious that the activity was insider based. Who was the insider is the question. The terrorists, the government, or the terrorists/government?

    LOL, it wasn't normal market activity as you are trying to imply. Rubes?......
     
     
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    On Sept. 6, 2001, the Thursday before the tragedy, 2,075 put options were made on United Airlines and on Sept. 10, the day before the attacks, 2,282 put options were recorded for American Airlines. Given the prices at the time, this would have yielded speculators between $2 million and $4 million in profit. For institutional hedge funds, this is peanuts. Also the amount of put options on airlines that day is below the average put option activity in the S&P in a daily basis anyways. Yeah, rubes in this thread, having no idea what they are talking about.
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    On Sept. 6, 2001, the Thursday before the tragedy, 2,075 put options were made on United Airlines and on Sept. 10, the day before the attacks, 2,282 put options were recorded for American Airlines. Given the prices at the time, this would have yielded speculators between $2 million and $4 million in profit. For institutional hedge funds, this is peanuts. Also the amount of put options on airlines that day is below the average put option activity in the S&P in a daily basis anyways. Yeah, rubes in this thread, having no idea what they are talking about.
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