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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2010 - 4:34 PM ET #701

    Anyone else care to debate before I request this thread closed?  Seems the retards have come into play and that wasn't supposed to be this threads intended purpose..
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    Anyone else care to debate before I request this thread closed?  Seems the retards have come into play and that wasn't supposed to be this threads intended purpose..
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2010 - 4:58 PM ET #702

    You cant answer 1 question and other peoplr are retards?  of course we are.  Whats your dads name?
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    You cant answer 1 question and other peoplr are retards?  of course we are.  Whats your dads name?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2010 - 5:27 PM ET #703

    You need to respect my fathers death instead of being ignorant and offensive towards him and the rest of my family.  The guy worked 60+ hours a week and ended up jumping close to 100 stories from a high rise building.  And all you want to know is his name?  You're a jackass and if you continue to harass me about my father, you'll soon be joining your friend sedale
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    You need to respect my fathers death instead of being ignorant and offensive towards him and the rest of my family.  The guy worked 60+ hours a week and ended up jumping close to 100 stories from a high rise building.  And all you want to know is his name?  You're a jackass and if you continue to harass me about my father, you'll soon be joining your friend sedale
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2010 - 7:04 PM ET #704

    dam, it's turned into amature hour, why would a guy want to give out his fathers name on the internet?
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    dam, it's turned into amature hour, why would a guy want to give out his fathers name on the internet?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2010 - 8:15 PM ET #705

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    You need to respect my fathers death instead of being ignorant and offensive towards him and the rest of my family.  The guy worked 60+ hours a week and ended up jumping close to 100 stories from a high rise building.  And all you want to know is his name?  You're a jackass and if you continue to harass me about my father, you'll soon be joining your friend sedale


    LOL, this guy is just unbelievable, now you can't stop making shit up.  Maybe we need to report you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    You need to respect my fathers death instead of being ignorant and offensive towards him and the rest of my family.  The guy worked 60+ hours a week and ended up jumping close to 100 stories from a high rise building.  And all you want to know is his name?  You're a jackass and if you continue to harass me about my father, you'll soon be joining your friend sedale


    LOL, this guy is just unbelievable, now you can't stop making shit up.  Maybe we need to report you.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2010 - 11:25 PM ET #706

    Still cant answer.  Sedale if you are not banned chime in bro.  If you are   that sucks but this thread almost dried up after he did that so be happy anyway. If you want any credibility smiddyo what was your fathers name and how many floors.  BTW nobody believes you.  Reilly hutch   sedale  this is boring w/out you.
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    Still cant answer.  Sedale if you are not banned chime in bro.  If you are   that sucks but this thread almost dried up after he did that so be happy anyway. If you want any credibility smiddyo what was your fathers name and how many floors.  BTW nobody believes you.  Reilly hutch   sedale  this is boring w/out you.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 2:19 AM ET #707

    Eric all of your posts came in this thread after sedale left, you are sedale.

    Why anyone would post there fathers name on here is beyound me

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    Eric all of your posts came in this thread after sedale left, you are sedale.

    Why anyone would post there fathers name on here is beyound me

     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 2:23 AM ET #708

    Close this bullshit already. This shit thread should have been boxed a long time ago.
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    Close this bullshit already. This shit thread should have been boxed a long time ago.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 2:33 AM ET #709

    they might make a new Mustang 5.0........

    Troll time

    anyone got a Favorite meme?

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    they might make a new Mustang 5.0........

    Troll time

    anyone got a Favorite meme?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2010 - 4:28 AM ET #710

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I honestly believe, with all my heart and soul, that if enough questions are asked and demands made for a new, independent investigation regarding why WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 had collapsed, along with obtaining video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon, that we will make progress towards that request.  If another investigation is done, I'm also convinced that the truth will come out, and certain people will pay for their disregard for human life, all in the name of "National Security".

    I could be wrong and we'll never get anywhere with our requests, as you've suggested.  If that's the case, so be it.  It won't stop me from trying.  That's what most people have done and continue to do.  They deny a coverup because A) they don't want it to be true or B) they know it won't amount to anything even if they ask questions.  I'm not one of those people, and I've surrounded myself with a legal team and other experts that are serious about getting another investigation done.

    I can also tell you this:  We're amazingly close to that goal


    How would a new, independent investigation into why the 3 WTC towers collapsed be conducted?  You had mentioned previously that 80% of the steel from the buildings had been shipped overseas and melted.  Is the other 20% available to have research done on it?  To me, that lack of physical evidence is a giant obstacle to overcome in trying to prove what happened.  Video evidence will not be enough as has been proven throughout this thread.  That can be argued both ways.  

    How are you going about obtaining the Pentagon video, if at all?  Are you going the FOIA route, although I have no clue if that covers govt videos?  If it does or not, I would assume it would just be a stonewall.  As most FOIA requests are until the govt deems it ok to release some info.  

    There shouldn't be anything that stops you form your inquiries and doing what you are doing.  I don't agree with some of your thought processes and opinions, but I do agree with you in the big picture that something very shady happened.  I also wouldn't say that people deny a coverup of some sort because they know it won't amount to anything even if they ask questions.  In that, I don't think one thing has to do with the other.  For me, I never had a personal stake in it, and over time after talking about the whole thing for a couple years with people who also didn't have a personal stake either, it was futile.  


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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I honestly believe, with all my heart and soul, that if enough questions are asked and demands made for a new, independent investigation regarding why WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 had collapsed, along with obtaining video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon, that we will make progress towards that request.  If another investigation is done, I'm also convinced that the truth will come out, and certain people will pay for their disregard for human life, all in the name of "National Security".

    I could be wrong and we'll never get anywhere with our requests, as you've suggested.  If that's the case, so be it.  It won't stop me from trying.  That's what most people have done and continue to do.  They deny a coverup because A) they don't want it to be true or B) they know it won't amount to anything even if they ask questions.  I'm not one of those people, and I've surrounded myself with a legal team and other experts that are serious about getting another investigation done.

    I can also tell you this:  We're amazingly close to that goal


    How would a new, independent investigation into why the 3 WTC towers collapsed be conducted?  You had mentioned previously that 80% of the steel from the buildings had been shipped overseas and melted.  Is the other 20% available to have research done on it?  To me, that lack of physical evidence is a giant obstacle to overcome in trying to prove what happened.  Video evidence will not be enough as has been proven throughout this thread.  That can be argued both ways.  

    How are you going about obtaining the Pentagon video, if at all?  Are you going the FOIA route, although I have no clue if that covers govt videos?  If it does or not, I would assume it would just be a stonewall.  As most FOIA requests are until the govt deems it ok to release some info.  

    There shouldn't be anything that stops you form your inquiries and doing what you are doing.  I don't agree with some of your thought processes and opinions, but I do agree with you in the big picture that something very shady happened.  I also wouldn't say that people deny a coverup of some sort because they know it won't amount to anything even if they ask questions.  In that, I don't think one thing has to do with the other.  For me, I never had a personal stake in it, and over time after talking about the whole thing for a couple years with people who also didn't have a personal stake either, it was futile.  


     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUIQCyy-6eo

    All I can ask is if someone would listen to this!
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    All I can ask is if someone would listen to this!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:


    How would a new, independent investigation into why the 3 WTC towers collapsed be conducted?  You had mentioned previously that 80% of the steel from the buildings had been shipped overseas and melted.  Is the other 20% available to have research done on it?  To me, that lack of physical evidence is a giant obstacle to overcome in trying to prove what happened.  Video evidence will not be enough as has been proven throughout this thread.  That can be argued both ways.  

    How are you going about obtaining the Pentagon video, if at all?  Are you going the FOIA route, although I have no clue if that covers govt videos?  If it does or not, I would assume it would just be a stonewall.  As most FOIA requests are until the govt deems it ok to release some info.  

    There shouldn't be anything that stops you form your inquiries and doing what you are doing.  I don't agree with some of your thought processes and opinions, but I do agree with you in the big picture that something very shady happened.  I also wouldn't say that people deny a coverup of some sort because they know it won't amount to anything even if they ask questions.  In that, I don't think one thing has to do with the other.  For me, I never had a personal stake in it, and over time after talking about the whole thing for a couple years with people who also didn't have a personal stake either, it was futile.  


    Good questions here, I'll try to "key you in" on what we're currently pushing for, and have gotten shockingly close to. 

    There are many organizations and/or companies that do exactly what NIST does.  NIST just so happened to be the "government's choice" in regard to who they wanted to investigate the cause of the Towers collapse.  We're on board with another one of these companies who has almost got clearance to perform another investigation on the physics of the collapse of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7.

    In addition to that, we're also very close to another (totally separate) investigation on the security surrounding the WTC complex, Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines.  This company is known as Stratesec.  In March of 2001, a company by the name of ACE was responsible for an "elevator modernization" project at the entire WTC complex.  Basically, the elevators were shut down for most of the day while improvements and upgrades were being made.  ACE even worked during non-business hours.

    We believe that the new investigation can prove 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that the chemical element Nano-Thermite was found in masses in the WTC rubble.  If this is the case, we can then start questioning all people who had intricate access to the WTC complex leading up the the 9/11/2001 tragedy.  A huge finger can be pointed at the ACE workers, as well as anyone who gave these workers access to the complex (Stratesec Security). These two organizations should be highly scrutinized and questioned before a court system, under oath, as if our investigation can prove what we ultimately believe to be true (30+ tons of Nano-Thermite were used to bring down all 3 WTC towers), then -someone- brought the Thermite there, and -someone- gave access to the people that brought it.

    Also, NIST's investigation surrounding the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 only covered "the events leading up to the 9/11 attacks".  The actual falling of the towers were never cover in NIST's investigation, as only WTC7's collapse was covered.  This has never made sense to either side of this debate, and we would like to see the actual collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 covered as well.

    I believe you'll be hearing on the major news stations, very soon, that a new 9/11 investigation is being launched.

    Oh by the way, when you get some time.  Check out some of the names that sat on the Board of Directors of both ACE and Stratesec Security.

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    How would a new, independent investigation into why the 3 WTC towers collapsed be conducted?  You had mentioned previously that 80% of the steel from the buildings had been shipped overseas and melted.  Is the other 20% available to have research done on it?  To me, that lack of physical evidence is a giant obstacle to overcome in trying to prove what happened.  Video evidence will not be enough as has been proven throughout this thread.  That can be argued both ways.  

    How are you going about obtaining the Pentagon video, if at all?  Are you going the FOIA route, although I have no clue if that covers govt videos?  If it does or not, I would assume it would just be a stonewall.  As most FOIA requests are until the govt deems it ok to release some info.  

    There shouldn't be anything that stops you form your inquiries and doing what you are doing.  I don't agree with some of your thought processes and opinions, but I do agree with you in the big picture that something very shady happened.  I also wouldn't say that people deny a coverup of some sort because they know it won't amount to anything even if they ask questions.  In that, I don't think one thing has to do with the other.  For me, I never had a personal stake in it, and over time after talking about the whole thing for a couple years with people who also didn't have a personal stake either, it was futile.  


    Good questions here, I'll try to "key you in" on what we're currently pushing for, and have gotten shockingly close to. 

    There are many organizations and/or companies that do exactly what NIST does.  NIST just so happened to be the "government's choice" in regard to who they wanted to investigate the cause of the Towers collapse.  We're on board with another one of these companies who has almost got clearance to perform another investigation on the physics of the collapse of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7.

    In addition to that, we're also very close to another (totally separate) investigation on the security surrounding the WTC complex, Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines.  This company is known as Stratesec.  In March of 2001, a company by the name of ACE was responsible for an "elevator modernization" project at the entire WTC complex.  Basically, the elevators were shut down for most of the day while improvements and upgrades were being made.  ACE even worked during non-business hours.

    We believe that the new investigation can prove 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that the chemical element Nano-Thermite was found in masses in the WTC rubble.  If this is the case, we can then start questioning all people who had intricate access to the WTC complex leading up the the 9/11/2001 tragedy.  A huge finger can be pointed at the ACE workers, as well as anyone who gave these workers access to the complex (Stratesec Security). These two organizations should be highly scrutinized and questioned before a court system, under oath, as if our investigation can prove what we ultimately believe to be true (30+ tons of Nano-Thermite were used to bring down all 3 WTC towers), then -someone- brought the Thermite there, and -someone- gave access to the people that brought it.

    Also, NIST's investigation surrounding the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 only covered "the events leading up to the 9/11 attacks".  The actual falling of the towers were never cover in NIST's investigation, as only WTC7's collapse was covered.  This has never made sense to either side of this debate, and we would like to see the actual collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 covered as well.

    I believe you'll be hearing on the major news stations, very soon, that a new 9/11 investigation is being launched.

    Oh by the way, when you get some time.  Check out some of the names that sat on the Board of Directors of both ACE and Stratesec Security.

     
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    for credibility boberts. My fathers name is vito pizzella. so what.  I am not claiming he died in 911.  AND I AM NOT sedale. My post came after because i was just observing until smiddyo said he had him banned. You think you are smart? Smiddy said the same thing that sedale was reilly or hutch. Maybe you are smiddyo. Please genius  cant ever get enough of a consp theory can you? Of course not.
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    for credibility boberts. My fathers name is vito pizzella. so what.  I am not claiming he died in 911.  AND I AM NOT sedale. My post came after because i was just observing until smiddyo said he had him banned. You think you are smart? Smiddy said the same thing that sedale was reilly or hutch. Maybe you are smiddyo. Please genius  cant ever get enough of a consp theory can you? Of course not.
     
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    if you really were reading you would see that i have been on the debunking side and have provided pics, plus i fucking hate duke!!!, if your not sedale, than welcome to covers
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    if you really were reading you would see that i have been on the debunking side and have provided pics, plus i fucking hate duke!!!, if your not sedale, than welcome to covers
     
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    There's been 2 people to ever refer to my screen name as "smiddyo"

    Those 2 people are sedale and ericpizz

    Draw your own conclusions from there 
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    There's been 2 people to ever refer to my screen name as "smiddyo"

    Those 2 people are sedale and ericpizz

    Draw your own conclusions from there 
     
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    the govt is behind it.     or i was making a play off of sedales making fun of you.    prob the govt.    but how do you explain he is from pittsburgh and i azm from west virginia?  prob the govt  but for sure not my dad vito pizzella.
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    the govt is behind it.     or i was making a play off of sedales making fun of you.    prob the govt.    but how do you explain he is from pittsburgh and i azm from west virginia?  prob the govt  but for sure not my dad vito pizzella.
     
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    What is the excuse for the shady stock market activity. I'd imagine that would be statistically significant, big time. Numbers don't lie. What does statistical analysis say about that?
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    What is the excuse for the shady stock market activity. I'd imagine that would be statistically significant, big time. Numbers don't lie. What does statistical analysis say about that?
     
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    slikster   i happen to believe al q financed this operation from the profit they made on buying the put options on the air lines. So not only did they destroy the buildings with planes the airlines paid for it brilliant        disgusting but brilliant.
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    slikster   i happen to believe al q financed this operation from the profit they made on buying the put options on the air lines. So not only did they destroy the buildings with planes the airlines paid for it brilliant        disgusting but brilliant.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickeM:

    Close this bullshit already. This shit thread should have been boxed a long time ago.

     

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    Close this bullshit already. This shit thread should have been boxed a long time ago.

     

     
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    looks like smiddy is giving up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    What is the excuse for the shady stock market activity. I'd imagine that would be statistically significant, big time. Numbers don't lie. What does statistical analysis say about that?

    Statistically, there was a .000235% chance for this type of "coincidance" to occur on the same exact day of the attacks.  First of all, "put options" on Boeing and United Airlines have historically never even come close to the levels that they reached on 9/11/2001.  They've never come close to those levels since the attacks either.  Although this doesn't directly draw a line between the attacks and anyone in particular, a .000235% is a flaborgasting number to imagine occuring in -ANY- situation.

    Actually, it's rather similar to the chances for successful cell phone calls being made above 20,000 feet.  Geez, this day was just full of statisical anomolies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

    What is the excuse for the shady stock market activity. I'd imagine that would be statistically significant, big time. Numbers don't lie. What does statistical analysis say about that?

    Statistically, there was a .000235% chance for this type of "coincidance" to occur on the same exact day of the attacks.  First of all, "put options" on Boeing and United Airlines have historically never even come close to the levels that they reached on 9/11/2001.  They've never come close to those levels since the attacks either.  Although this doesn't directly draw a line between the attacks and anyone in particular, a .000235% is a flaborgasting number to imagine occuring in -ANY- situation.

    Actually, it's rather similar to the chances for successful cell phone calls being made above 20,000 feet.  Geez, this day was just full of statisical anomolies!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericpizz:

    the govt is behind it.     or i was making a play off of sedales making fun of you.    prob the govt.    but how do you explain he is from pittsburgh and i azm from west virginia?  prob the govt  but for sure not my dad vito pizzella.

    Eric Pizzella

    You've been talking quite a bit in this thread, while giving absolutely nothing but insults and childish bashing (while using improper grammar and sounding like a 5th grade student if anyone were to read your sentences out loud). I'm about to make you look rather foolish, I think

    I'm going to ask you a series of questions, maybe 2-3 as I don't want to overwhelm you.  If you would, please answer those questions for me to the best of your ability.  When you've done that (and try to make the arguements pertinent to the discussion, please), you can then ask me any series of questions you would like, regarding anything you would like.  This is called a debate. I'm sure you are unaware of this type of formal atmosphere, but I'm going to do my best to sink down to your intelligence level.  Here goes:

    1.)  Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America, is seen in this video claiming that Flight 93 had been shot down by someone on 9/11/2001.  This completely contradicts the official story of our Government, which was that hijackers took over the plane in an attempt to fly it into the White House in Washington D.C., but their plan was foiled due to a group of passengers over-taking the hijackers and instead crash landing the plane in Shanksville, PA.

    Why would Donald Rumsfeld claim that Flight 93 was shot down when in fact, "we know" that it crash landed in Shanksville? 

     

    2.)  NIST, the Government-assigned agency to investigate the events of 9/11/2001 pertaining to the WTC complex in New York, released a revised report in 2008 which contained a few sections relating to the collapse of WTC7. According to the report that I just linked you to, NIST, who recorded an operating budget of $992 Million in 2009 and employs 2900 scientists, structural engineers, and technicians, claims that WTC7 collapsed upon itself in just over 5 seconds, with 2.25 second of that time "accelerating at the rate of gravity".  They further claim that "Freefall speed stopped as a result of the building collapsing on itself".

    I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

    Before you answer, you should know that FEMA initally did an investigation as to why WTC7 collapsed, but could not determine a reason.  They did however note the presense of the military-grade chemical Nano-Thermite in the rubble of the WTC complex.

    NIST immediately dismissed the potential of Thermite to be used, stating (this is always gives me a laugh, btw):

    "The use of thermite instead of explosives is discarded by NIST on the basis that it is unlikely the necessary 100 pounds of thermate for each steel column could have been planted without being discovered."

    So essentially:  Thermite is found in the rubble of WTC7. Upon further investigation of the Thermite by FEMA, they determine that it is a military-grade form of the chemical, called Nano-Thermite. NIST quickly discredits FEMA's findings as false, claiming that it would be "impossible" to get the 20+ tons of thermite into the WTC complex without security detection.

    Hmm.  "Security detection".  Lets take a quick look at the Security of the WTC complex on 9/11/2001, shall we Eric?

    Stratesec, also known as Securacom, was responsible for the security of the entire WTC complex, as well as Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines on the morning of 9/11/2001. 

    Dulles just so happened to be the same airport that Flight 77 took off from, before it hit the Pentagon after being hijacked en route to San Francisco.

    3 United Airlines aircraft were used on the morning of 9/11 to execute the hijackings.

    Who exactly was in control of this entire "Securacom" operation?  According to the Wikipedia link that I just sent you to, this agency was pretty much run by a single person, instead of "delegated authority" as are many other security forms.  So then, who was the person in charge of everything-Securacom on 9/11/2001? Marvin P. Bush.

    Well, surely, you'll say, even if security might have been comprimised on 9/11 at the WTC complex, the "bad guys" still would have needed plenty of time to get the 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the buildings.... Right smiddyo?

    ACE Elevator "WTC modernization project", dated 3/1/2001 and lasted nearly 5 months.  It was finished roughly 10 days before the events of 9/11/2001.

    We now have a breach of security (Securacom), a false-flag elevator moderization (ACE), and a way to get 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the WTC complex over a 5+ month period before the events of 9/11/2001.

    Now, I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericpizz:

    the govt is behind it.     or i was making a play off of sedales making fun of you.    prob the govt.    but how do you explain he is from pittsburgh and i azm from west virginia?  prob the govt  but for sure not my dad vito pizzella.

    Eric Pizzella

    You've been talking quite a bit in this thread, while giving absolutely nothing but insults and childish bashing (while using improper grammar and sounding like a 5th grade student if anyone were to read your sentences out loud). I'm about to make you look rather foolish, I think

    I'm going to ask you a series of questions, maybe 2-3 as I don't want to overwhelm you.  If you would, please answer those questions for me to the best of your ability.  When you've done that (and try to make the arguements pertinent to the discussion, please), you can then ask me any series of questions you would like, regarding anything you would like.  This is called a debate. I'm sure you are unaware of this type of formal atmosphere, but I'm going to do my best to sink down to your intelligence level.  Here goes:

    1.)  Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America, is seen in this video claiming that Flight 93 had been shot down by someone on 9/11/2001.  This completely contradicts the official story of our Government, which was that hijackers took over the plane in an attempt to fly it into the White House in Washington D.C., but their plan was foiled due to a group of passengers over-taking the hijackers and instead crash landing the plane in Shanksville, PA.

    Why would Donald Rumsfeld claim that Flight 93 was shot down when in fact, "we know" that it crash landed in Shanksville? 

     

    2.)  NIST, the Government-assigned agency to investigate the events of 9/11/2001 pertaining to the WTC complex in New York, released a revised report in 2008 which contained a few sections relating to the collapse of WTC7. According to the report that I just linked you to, NIST, who recorded an operating budget of $992 Million in 2009 and employs 2900 scientists, structural engineers, and technicians, claims that WTC7 collapsed upon itself in just over 5 seconds, with 2.25 second of that time "accelerating at the rate of gravity".  They further claim that "Freefall speed stopped as a result of the building collapsing on itself".

    I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

    Before you answer, you should know that FEMA initally did an investigation as to why WTC7 collapsed, but could not determine a reason.  They did however note the presense of the military-grade chemical Nano-Thermite in the rubble of the WTC complex.

    NIST immediately dismissed the potential of Thermite to be used, stating (this is always gives me a laugh, btw):

    "The use of thermite instead of explosives is discarded by NIST on the basis that it is unlikely the necessary 100 pounds of thermate for each steel column could have been planted without being discovered."

    So essentially:  Thermite is found in the rubble of WTC7. Upon further investigation of the Thermite by FEMA, they determine that it is a military-grade form of the chemical, called Nano-Thermite. NIST quickly discredits FEMA's findings as false, claiming that it would be "impossible" to get the 20+ tons of thermite into the WTC complex without security detection.

    Hmm.  "Security detection".  Lets take a quick look at the Security of the WTC complex on 9/11/2001, shall we Eric?

    Stratesec, also known as Securacom, was responsible for the security of the entire WTC complex, as well as Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines on the morning of 9/11/2001. 

    Dulles just so happened to be the same airport that Flight 77 took off from, before it hit the Pentagon after being hijacked en route to San Francisco.

    3 United Airlines aircraft were used on the morning of 9/11 to execute the hijackings.

    Who exactly was in control of this entire "Securacom" operation?  According to the Wikipedia link that I just sent you to, this agency was pretty much run by a single person, instead of "delegated authority" as are many other security forms.  So then, who was the person in charge of everything-Securacom on 9/11/2001? Marvin P. Bush.

    Well, surely, you'll say, even if security might have been comprimised on 9/11 at the WTC complex, the "bad guys" still would have needed plenty of time to get the 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the buildings.... Right smiddyo?

    ACE Elevator "WTC modernization project", dated 3/1/2001 and lasted nearly 5 months.  It was finished roughly 10 days before the events of 9/11/2001.

    We now have a breach of security (Securacom), a false-flag elevator moderization (ACE), and a way to get 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the WTC complex over a 5+ month period before the events of 9/11/2001.

    Now, I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Eric Pizzella

    You've been talking quite a bit in this thread, while giving absolutely nothing but insults and childish bashing (while using improper grammar and sounding like a 5th grade student if anyone were to read your sentences out loud). I'm about to make you look rather foolish, I think

    I'm going to ask you a series of questions, maybe 2-3 as I don't want to overwhelm you.  If you would, please answer those questions for me to the best of your ability.  When you've done that (and try to make the arguements pertinent to the discussion, please), you can then ask me any series of questions you would like, regarding anything you would like.  This is called a debate. I'm sure you are unaware of this type of formal atmosphere, but I'm going to do my best to sink down to your intelligence level.  Here goes:

    1.)  Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America, is seen in this video claiming that Flight 93 had been shot down by someone on 9/11/2001.  This completely contradicts the official story of our Government, which was that hijackers took over the plane in an attempt to fly it into the White House in Washington D.C., but their plan was foiled due to a group of passengers over-taking the hijackers and instead crash landing the plane in Shanksville, PA.

    Why would Donald Rumsfeld claim that Flight 93 was shot down when in fact, "we know" that it crash landed in Shanksville? 

     

    2.)  NIST, the Government-assigned agency to investigate the events of 9/11/2001 pertaining to the WTC complex in New York, released a revised report in 2008 which contained a few sections relating to the collapse of WTC7. According to the report that I just linked you to, NIST, who recorded an operating budget of $992 Million in 2009 and employs 2900 scientists, structural engineers, and technicians, claims that WTC7 collapsed upon itself in just over 5 seconds, with 2.25 second of that time "accelerating at the rate of gravity".  They further claim that "Freefall speed stopped as a result of the building collapsing on itself".

    I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

    Before you answer, you should know that FEMA initally did an investigation as to why WTC7 collapsed, but could not determine a reason.  They did however note the presense of the military-grade chemical Nano-Thermite in the rubble of the WTC complex.

    NIST immediately dismissed the potential of Thermite to be used, stating (this is always gives me a laugh, btw):

    "The use of thermite instead of explosives is discarded by NIST on the basis that it is unlikely the necessary 100 pounds of thermate for each steel column could have been planted without being discovered."

    So essentially:  Thermite is found in the rubble of WTC7. Upon further investigation of the Thermite by FEMA, they determine that it is a military-grade form of the chemical, called Nano-Thermite. NIST quickly discredits FEMA's findings as false, claiming that it would be "impossible" to get the 20+ tons of thermite into the WTC complex without security detection.

    Hmm.  "Security detection".  Lets take a quick look at the Security of the WTC complex on 9/11/2001, shall we Eric?

    Stratesec, also known as Securacom, was responsible for the security of the entire WTC complex, as well as Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines on the morning of 9/11/2001. 

    Dulles just so happened to be the same airport that Flight 77 took off from, before it hit the Pentagon after being hijacked en route to San Francisco.

    3 United Airlines aircraft were used on the morning of 9/11 to execute the hijackings.

    Who exactly was in control of this entire "Securacom" operation?  According to the Wikipedia link that I just sent you to, this agency was pretty much run by a single person, instead of "delegated authority" as are many other security forms.  So then, who was the person in charge of everything-Securacom on 9/11/2001? Marvin P. Bush.

    Well, surely, you'll say, even if security might have been comprimised on 9/11 at the WTC complex, the "bad guys" still would have needed plenty of time to get the 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the buildings.... Right smiddyo?

    ACE Elevator "WTC modernization project", dated 3/1/2001 and lasted nearly 5 months.  It was finished roughly 10 days before the events of 9/11/2001.

    We now have a breach of security (Securacom), a false-flag elevator moderization (ACE), and a way to get 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the WTC complex over a 5+ month period before the events of 9/11/2001.

    Now, I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?


    The entire thread is excellent smdio.

    I commend you for continuing an intelligent dialectic in the face of being labeled innumerable derogatory names for defending a legitimate stance that should be reopened as an investigation. 

    This video is probably posted somewhere in this thread. WTC 7 was pulled: end of story. It's billion dollar OWNER admitted to it on screen with all the sincerity in the world. This is not some senile, disillusioned nutjob commenting on the collapse. It's the man who lost everything that day (and then would receive one of the biggest insurance checks in world history).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
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    Eric Pizzella

    You've been talking quite a bit in this thread, while giving absolutely nothing but insults and childish bashing (while using improper grammar and sounding like a 5th grade student if anyone were to read your sentences out loud). I'm about to make you look rather foolish, I think

    I'm going to ask you a series of questions, maybe 2-3 as I don't want to overwhelm you.  If you would, please answer those questions for me to the best of your ability.  When you've done that (and try to make the arguements pertinent to the discussion, please), you can then ask me any series of questions you would like, regarding anything you would like.  This is called a debate. I'm sure you are unaware of this type of formal atmosphere, but I'm going to do my best to sink down to your intelligence level.  Here goes:

    1.)  Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America, is seen in this video claiming that Flight 93 had been shot down by someone on 9/11/2001.  This completely contradicts the official story of our Government, which was that hijackers took over the plane in an attempt to fly it into the White House in Washington D.C., but their plan was foiled due to a group of passengers over-taking the hijackers and instead crash landing the plane in Shanksville, PA.

    Why would Donald Rumsfeld claim that Flight 93 was shot down when in fact, "we know" that it crash landed in Shanksville? 

     

    2.)  NIST, the Government-assigned agency to investigate the events of 9/11/2001 pertaining to the WTC complex in New York, released a revised report in 2008 which contained a few sections relating to the collapse of WTC7. According to the report that I just linked you to, NIST, who recorded an operating budget of $992 Million in 2009 and employs 2900 scientists, structural engineers, and technicians, claims that WTC7 collapsed upon itself in just over 5 seconds, with 2.25 second of that time "accelerating at the rate of gravity".  They further claim that "Freefall speed stopped as a result of the building collapsing on itself".

    I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?

    Before you answer, you should know that FEMA initally did an investigation as to why WTC7 collapsed, but could not determine a reason.  They did however note the presense of the military-grade chemical Nano-Thermite in the rubble of the WTC complex.

    NIST immediately dismissed the potential of Thermite to be used, stating (this is always gives me a laugh, btw):

    "The use of thermite instead of explosives is discarded by NIST on the basis that it is unlikely the necessary 100 pounds of thermate for each steel column could have been planted without being discovered."

    So essentially:  Thermite is found in the rubble of WTC7. Upon further investigation of the Thermite by FEMA, they determine that it is a military-grade form of the chemical, called Nano-Thermite. NIST quickly discredits FEMA's findings as false, claiming that it would be "impossible" to get the 20+ tons of thermite into the WTC complex without security detection.

    Hmm.  "Security detection".  Lets take a quick look at the Security of the WTC complex on 9/11/2001, shall we Eric?

    Stratesec, also known as Securacom, was responsible for the security of the entire WTC complex, as well as Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines on the morning of 9/11/2001. 

    Dulles just so happened to be the same airport that Flight 77 took off from, before it hit the Pentagon after being hijacked en route to San Francisco.

    3 United Airlines aircraft were used on the morning of 9/11 to execute the hijackings.

    Who exactly was in control of this entire "Securacom" operation?  According to the Wikipedia link that I just sent you to, this agency was pretty much run by a single person, instead of "delegated authority" as are many other security forms.  So then, who was the person in charge of everything-Securacom on 9/11/2001? Marvin P. Bush.

    Well, surely, you'll say, even if security might have been comprimised on 9/11 at the WTC complex, the "bad guys" still would have needed plenty of time to get the 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the buildings.... Right smiddyo?

    ACE Elevator "WTC modernization project", dated 3/1/2001 and lasted nearly 5 months.  It was finished roughly 10 days before the events of 9/11/2001.

    We now have a breach of security (Securacom), a false-flag elevator moderization (ACE), and a way to get 20+ tons of Nano-Thermite into the WTC complex over a 5+ month period before the events of 9/11/2001.

    Now, I have to ask you Eric, how can a building made of sevreal thousand tons of steel and reinforced concrete suddenly collapse at the rate of gravity upon itself without the aid of some sort of explosive device?


    The entire thread is excellent smdio.

    I commend you for continuing an intelligent dialectic in the face of being labeled innumerable derogatory names for defending a legitimate stance that should be reopened as an investigation. 

    This video is probably posted somewhere in this thread. WTC 7 was pulled: end of story. It's billion dollar OWNER admitted to it on screen with all the sincerity in the world. This is not some senile, disillusioned nutjob commenting on the collapse. It's the man who lost everything that day (and then would receive one of the biggest insurance checks in world history).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tootsieroll:

    Eric here  it seems I was banned so I decided to finish sedales dream of digging your deadbeat dad up and fucking his bones into dust   I jizzed all over his face and he said thanks you are a true pimp. So go kill yourself already you pathetic loser Your questions have already been answered in two books and in websites plus  the history channel documentary. Never did say your dads name LIAR.  As for my education I have a 4 yr degree from the university os south carolina in accounting I work for a hedge fund and make mid six figures. My life is awesome and my dad is alive.  Any more questions before you ban me you half a person.

    Yes, I posted 2 questions above.  I can see you like to answer questions that I did NOT ask, such as working for a hedge fund and having a 4 year degree, but I'm much more interested in you refuting the 2 claims that I made regarding WTC7 and Donald Rumsfeld

    And I'm pretty sure Covers will now ban your IP from future signups, so please make it quick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tootsieroll:

    Eric here  it seems I was banned so I decided to finish sedales dream of digging your deadbeat dad up and fucking his bones into dust   I jizzed all over his face and he said thanks you are a true pimp. So go kill yourself already you pathetic loser Your questions have already been answered in two books and in websites plus  the history channel documentary. Never did say your dads name LIAR.  As for my education I have a 4 yr degree from the university os south carolina in accounting I work for a hedge fund and make mid six figures. My life is awesome and my dad is alive.  Any more questions before you ban me you half a person.

    Yes, I posted 2 questions above.  I can see you like to answer questions that I did NOT ask, such as working for a hedge fund and having a 4 year degree, but I'm much more interested in you refuting the 2 claims that I made regarding WTC7 and Donald Rumsfeld

    And I'm pretty sure Covers will now ban your IP from future signups, so please make it quick!

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