If anything I believe that a childs surroundings plays into what they become, how they act in the future. For instance a child in my opinion who grows up in a household with an alcoholic is more likely to develop into one themselves.
A child who grows up in an abusive home is more likely to become abusive
A child who grows up in a single family home (mother) and doesnt have a male influence in their life has greater chance of growing up to be a pansy. I know that for a fact because of coaching kids in sports through several years, I promise you I could line up the team, and you, never seeing them before would be able to pick them out.
A child in todays society, growing up in a home with 2 moms, or 2 dads has no fuckin chance whatsoever. It's obvious from just the flakes in here, that homosexuality is viewed as the norm, and totally accepted.
In those cases I can agree with you that a child doesnt really make a choice, but rather it was just normal.
You are a real thinker. There are a lot of genetic scientists that would love to hear from you.
And BTW Tideman -
Its so obvious you are gay. Nobody else in this thread is so hellbent on letting everyone else know they arent gay as you are.
Go out and suck a cock. It will be liberating for you. It must really be a horrible existence to be trapped the way you are.
I will pray for you.
I guess you can't really respond since you have no foundation or factual basis for your argument.
I hope it's not a religious viewpoint, because you've already shown that you're not a practicing christian.
As far as my Christian belief, I definitrly need to do better
And BTW Tideman -
Its so obvious you are gay. Nobody else in this thread is so hellbent on letting everyone else know they arent gay as you are.
Go out and suck a cock. It will be liberating for you. It must really be a horrible existence to be trapped the way you are.
I will pray for you.
says the one who is so determined to defend homosexuals....
You are without a doubt a jizz junky and spermaholic, calm down dude, hopefully your day will get better and you will be able to achieve your daily goal, which is to go to bed tonight with a warm load of juice in your belly, 
says the one who is so determined to defend homosexuals....
You are without a doubt a jizz junky and spermaholic, calm down dude, hopefully your day will get better and you will be able to achieve your daily goal, which is to go to bed tonight with a warm load of juice in your belly,
Dont you think its possible Jesus was gay?
He was certainly asexual at best.
Im going to pray about this, and also ask Him if He would help you be less judgemental about your fellow man, something he commands in our Bible.
I dont judge you because you are hiding your homosexuality, you shouldnt judge those who arent hiding their homosexuality. God will love you more for it. Leave the judging to Him.
Dont you think its possible Jesus was gay?
He was certainly asexual at best.
Im going to pray about this, and also ask Him if He would help you be less judgemental about your fellow man, something he commands in our Bible.
I dont judge you because you are hiding your homosexuality, you shouldnt judge those who arent hiding their homosexuality. God will love you more for it. Leave the judging to Him.
So if you believe this you also believe pedifiles and people that peform beastility (sp?) are born this way also? Because if a gay person is born a certain way and cant help who they love as you say neither can a pedifile and since pedifiles cant choose you they love they shouldnt be put in jail for having sex with 5 year olds.
I mean if we are all "born " the way we are then why are pedifiles put in the jail and not gays?
I want to hear your thoughts on this
RE Club Dirt:
Here is a great secret for you guys. Straight women love gay parties and gay clubs. I remember in college, some friends of mine said they were going to the LGBA (lesbian gay bisexual alliance) party. I was like "I'm straight why would I want to go there". They were like "don't worry, its an everyone invited party. There will be tons of straight women there" I was skeptical but I went anyway. Damn glad that I did.
Heres who was there. Gay men. Lesbians. Straight women. Us. There were at least 5 or 6 straight women for every straight man there. To make it even better, the host always sets the tone for the party. If your host feels like having a wine and cheese subdued party, most of your guests will behave likewise. If the hosts are dressed in leather and chains and the lesbians are taking their bras off in public.....well its going to be that kind of party.
A couple of men hit on me. I said I was flattered but straight. When they saw I wasn't threatened by them, they sent over their single hot female friends (every gay man has tons of attractive female friends...one of the great ironies of life). I had a great time and ended up hooking up that night.
I went to a bunch more LGBA parties and they all rocked. I remember telling this story to other people and they all looked at me like I was insane. Its counter intuitive but true. If you want to hang out with hot women, be gay friendly. If you want to hang out with nothing but a bunch of dudes, be homophobic.
tallguy, you're ahead of your time. those are concepts taught in ClubDirt's seminar: How to Hook Up With Hot Chicks 3.0 at which tallguy will be the new guest lecturer.
if you go to a gay party and a gay guy hits on you and you politely let him know you are straight, two things are going to happen. 1) you'll make a friend (which i know is a frightening thought to repressed homophobes like alabamaman) and 2) whatever hot girlfriends he has, and if he's like most gay guys, he'll have several, he's going to want to hook you up with them like tallguy said (which is probably another frightening thought to a repressed homophobe/person like redneckman). what's so bad about that?
keep in mind the How to Hook Up With Hot Chicks series is all about making the most productive and efficient use of resources to accomplish the stated goal. there are proven methods here, but you won't succeed and you'll never get past fingering your first cousin if you're too insecure and believe your bible teacher when he tells you gay people are going to hell.
So if you believe this you also believe pedifiles and people that peform beastility (sp?) are born this way also? Because if a gay person is born a certain way and cant help who they love as you say neither can a pedifile and since pedifiles cant choose you they love they shouldnt be put in jail for having sex with 5 year olds.
I mean if we are all "born " the way we are then why are pedifiles put in the jail and not gays?
I want to hear your thoughts on this
Pedophilia involves children....who cannot properly consent or know what is really happening.
Homosexuality between two consenting adults is much different.
I know what you're saying, and you are partially correct. Of course you can make the case that people who enjoy that stuff have been like that as children, so why should we punish them.
The problem is that it involves unwilling parties, and thus cannot be deemed ok.
I look at someone with pedophilia not as a monster, but some poor soul who has the unfortunate innate desires of seeing children as sexual objects.
So I understand your reasoning....why do we accept one and not the other when they are both innate deficiencies?
So if you believe this you also believe pedifiles and people that peform beastility (sp?) are born this way also? Because if a gay person is born a certain way and cant help who they love as you say neither can a pedifile and since pedifiles cant choose you they love they shouldnt be put in jail for having sex with 5 year olds.
I mean if we are all "born " the way we are then why are pedifiles put in the jail and not gays?
I want to hear your thoughts on this
any time someone expresses an opinion, i like to consider the reliability of the source. on what facts and observations do you base your opinion? how many pedophiles have you spoken to about their problem?
You have got to be kidding
Gay people dont choose to be gay? So they forced to be that way?
Someone tells them "Hey if you're not gay you're going to jail the rest of your life" .Is that the way it goes?
Why is it ok for a man to like a man and people not think its a choice but pedifiles and people that incest "choose" to be that way? A man wasnt made to be with a man just like a 60 year old isnt made to be with a 5 year old
You don't know shit because you have never even talked to a person who is gay. Gay men like penis more then women like penis...I've actually talked to a gay person and he said, "I really can't believe that a women would not want to suck her man's cock....what could be more intimate?" Gay men like cock more then most women like cock.
And added on to that, most gay people tried as hard as possible to be straight.
As for the pedophile argument....FAIL. Gay people choose to be with each other (for 99.9% of the time). Victims of pedophilia have no choice. And for what it's worth, I believe pedophilia is genetic....there is a reason it's almost impossible to re-hab such a person....just like you're never going to turn a gay person straight.
any time someone expresses an opinion, i like to consider the reliability of the source. on what facts and observations do you base your opinion? how many pedophiles have you spoken to about their problem?
Very many. I use to work in the rehabilitation field and dealt with felons everyday that had just got out of jail.A good portion of them were pedifiles
hard to imagine anyone can ask a question as obtuse as this (as hutch pointed out) who's had any sort of life experience with a gay person or pedophile:
I mean if we are all "born " the way we are then why are pedifiles put in the jail and not gays?
any way you look at it, that's a stupid fuckin question.
I mean if we are all "born " the way we are then why are pedifiles put in the jail and not gays?
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The fact that you don't know the answer to this question is all the forum needs to know. 
Thats how someone that doesnt have an answer answers something. Sure its easier to tell someone they''re stupid because you have no answer but in the end you are clueless.
So you're going with :
A gay man cant help he's gay and was born that way but a pedifile thats loves children wasnt born that way and decided to desire children correct? Do you know how stupid you sound?
You sir are a hypocrite
Thats how someone that doesnt have an answer answers something.
hutch is perfectly capable of defending himself and normally i'd agree with your statement, but it's a terrible question. it basically compares consenting homosexuals with pedophiles who abuse unconsenting children. surely, you see where hutch is coming from.
hard to imagine anyone can ask a question as obtuse as this (as hutch pointed out) who's had any sort of life experience with a gay person or pedophile:
I mean if we are all "born " the way we are then why are pedifiles put in the jail and not gays?
any way you look at it, that's a stupid fuckin question.
So lets put it this way .A 55 year old man gets put in jail for having sex with a 16 year old .He's labeled a pedifile .Everyone knows a 16 year knows right from wrong and in alot of countries this woud be just fine but not here .The 55 year old is suppose to leave the 16 year old alone even though thats what he desires. Now why cant someone who defends gays and say these guys cant be cured admit they are born this way also if gay people are?
I wasnt meaning gays should be thrown in jail it was more of why are pedifiles in jail and not gays if pedifiles are also born this way and have no choice over the matter?
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