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    HutchEmAll
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:48 PM ET #76

    This guy was making pretty good money and couldn't even save enough for a rainy day (or at least 3-6 months of living expenses)?

    AND, he racked up $40K in debt.

    This is EXACTLY what my friend did.  Spent money like a drunken sailer and never planned in case something bad happened.  He lived beyond his means and now it's up to you to bail him out? 

    FYI, a heart to heart won't help this guy.  These habits don't generally change until you hit rock bottom (ie. go broke).

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    This guy was making pretty good money and couldn't even save enough for a rainy day (or at least 3-6 months of living expenses)?

    AND, he racked up $40K in debt.

    This is EXACTLY what my friend did.  Spent money like a drunken sailer and never planned in case something bad happened.  He lived beyond his means and now it's up to you to bail him out? 

    FYI, a heart to heart won't help this guy.  These habits don't generally change until you hit rock bottom (ie. go broke).

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:03 PM ET #77

    These personality types do NOT take well to friendly advice.

    Case in point:  I did the leg work to find my buddy a car.....drove all around and looked about 7 or 8.  Finally found him a Grand Prix that was a mechanic's car for $1,000.  No leaks, no rattles, runs really well, great heat, nice interior.  A/C even works.  I told him to treat that car like GOLD as it was his lifeblood.  Told him not to drive in bad weather until he got it insured.

    First snow we get he hits a gal and now he has to pay her $2,500 which he doesn't have (thankfully, she didn't call the cops).  And he's driving all around town and even up to his parent's cabin.  Racking up a bunch of miles on a car that has so-so tires.  More miles = more likely to run into repairs that cost money. 

    And he gave me that, "quit lecturing me" look when I told him NOT to drive it in bad weather.  Gonna cost him $2,500. 

    People like that just do stupid things. It's their personality. 

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    These personality types do NOT take well to friendly advice.

    Case in point:  I did the leg work to find my buddy a car.....drove all around and looked about 7 or 8.  Finally found him a Grand Prix that was a mechanic's car for $1,000.  No leaks, no rattles, runs really well, great heat, nice interior.  A/C even works.  I told him to treat that car like GOLD as it was his lifeblood.  Told him not to drive in bad weather until he got it insured.

    First snow we get he hits a gal and now he has to pay her $2,500 which he doesn't have (thankfully, she didn't call the cops).  And he's driving all around town and even up to his parent's cabin.  Racking up a bunch of miles on a car that has so-so tires.  More miles = more likely to run into repairs that cost money. 

    And he gave me that, "quit lecturing me" look when I told him NOT to drive it in bad weather.  Gonna cost him $2,500. 

    People like that just do stupid things. It's their personality. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:21 PM ET #78

    Alright fellas - not sure if I did the right thing, but here's how it went down:
     
    I went to his place after work yesterday. First of all, his apt was a mess (totally out of character). He also physically looked like shit - he looked like he hadn't showered or shaved in a week. I told him it was depressing me to look at him like this and to get in the shower, I'm gonna take him out to dinner.
     
    At dinner we talked about a lot of stuff. It was a fairly emotional conversation. I knew things were bad in his own head, but I think I underestimated how depressed he actually is. He told me his doc had prescribed Xanax and that he was popping em regularly to keep his anxiety in check. He talked about how hard job hunting has been. He said he feels like the economy just keeps kicking him while he's down, etc etc. The 1st half of our conversation was literally a pity party - but he needed to vent and I listened.
     
    After he got it all out, I told him I wanted to help him...but unless a job falls in his lap tomorrow, he's gonna be right back here in 3 months. I suggested we work on a way to cut his expenses. I said the 1st thing we should focus on is that $2500 rent check. I told him I thought he should consider renting a room in a house or a studio and he should not even look at places over $1500. He resisted at first, but eventually agreed. I made him promise me he was gonna give his landlord 30 days and we agreed that Feb 1 would be a realistic move date.
     
    We talked about the cost of moving and he reminded me that he is actually going to get a $4000 deposit back from his landlord....so this should be plenty to get him into his new place. I said I'd help with any additional costs or front the money until the check arrives.
     
    Someone in this thread suggested he call his creditors and get payments deferred due to hardship. I asked him to look into this as well and he said he would do that today (pending)
     
    If we could get his rent down to $1500 (or less), his CC payments deferred, that's a min savings of $1500 a month. I was thinking about the car next, but didn't push it. He seemed overwhelmed with what was already on his plate. I'll raise this expense later.
     
    What I did push is his job/salary expectations. He admitted that he wasn't considering anything paying less than $65,000-$70,000. I told him he ought to lower those standards and accept anything he can get. He agreed and said he would expand his search. Also, over the years, we have become friendly with a guy that owns a couple of bars in SF. I suggested he call him and see if he needs any help working the door, behind the bar, whatever. A couple of years ago this guy gave another friend of ours a job and paid him $15 an hr under the table. He promised me he was going to explore this. 
     
    Before I left, I asked him about now through January. He still needed a loan to get him by. I cut him a check for $5000 and told him I'd put this on his tab. I cut the check from my money market account. I requested a payout from my book to replace the 5Gs. In the meantime, I hope the wife doesn't check the balance....she rarely looks at this account, so I'm not too worried. If she does, I'll have to come clean.
     
    So, that's where things stand as of now. In the meantime, I left 5K in my offshore account and plan to have a little fun with it. I like Wyoming tomorrow and the Raiders on Sunday!
     
    I'm nervous that things won't go as planned (maybe he doesn't find the right place and/or continues to struggle with the job market). But, these things are out of my control.
     
    I'm sure many of you won't respect that I gave him the 5Gs. But, he's been a really close friend for 23 year - I couldn't turn my back on him.

    I'll let you guys know if I end up regretting this decision.

    Appreciate everyone that stopped in to offer advice....it was really helpful to hear other perspectives.


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    Alright fellas - not sure if I did the right thing, but here's how it went down:
     
    I went to his place after work yesterday. First of all, his apt was a mess (totally out of character). He also physically looked like shit - he looked like he hadn't showered or shaved in a week. I told him it was depressing me to look at him like this and to get in the shower, I'm gonna take him out to dinner.
     
    At dinner we talked about a lot of stuff. It was a fairly emotional conversation. I knew things were bad in his own head, but I think I underestimated how depressed he actually is. He told me his doc had prescribed Xanax and that he was popping em regularly to keep his anxiety in check. He talked about how hard job hunting has been. He said he feels like the economy just keeps kicking him while he's down, etc etc. The 1st half of our conversation was literally a pity party - but he needed to vent and I listened.
     
    After he got it all out, I told him I wanted to help him...but unless a job falls in his lap tomorrow, he's gonna be right back here in 3 months. I suggested we work on a way to cut his expenses. I said the 1st thing we should focus on is that $2500 rent check. I told him I thought he should consider renting a room in a house or a studio and he should not even look at places over $1500. He resisted at first, but eventually agreed. I made him promise me he was gonna give his landlord 30 days and we agreed that Feb 1 would be a realistic move date.
     
    We talked about the cost of moving and he reminded me that he is actually going to get a $4000 deposit back from his landlord....so this should be plenty to get him into his new place. I said I'd help with any additional costs or front the money until the check arrives.
     
    Someone in this thread suggested he call his creditors and get payments deferred due to hardship. I asked him to look into this as well and he said he would do that today (pending)
     
    If we could get his rent down to $1500 (or less), his CC payments deferred, that's a min savings of $1500 a month. I was thinking about the car next, but didn't push it. He seemed overwhelmed with what was already on his plate. I'll raise this expense later.
     
    What I did push is his job/salary expectations. He admitted that he wasn't considering anything paying less than $65,000-$70,000. I told him he ought to lower those standards and accept anything he can get. He agreed and said he would expand his search. Also, over the years, we have become friendly with a guy that owns a couple of bars in SF. I suggested he call him and see if he needs any help working the door, behind the bar, whatever. A couple of years ago this guy gave another friend of ours a job and paid him $15 an hr under the table. He promised me he was going to explore this. 
     
    Before I left, I asked him about now through January. He still needed a loan to get him by. I cut him a check for $5000 and told him I'd put this on his tab. I cut the check from my money market account. I requested a payout from my book to replace the 5Gs. In the meantime, I hope the wife doesn't check the balance....she rarely looks at this account, so I'm not too worried. If she does, I'll have to come clean.
     
    So, that's where things stand as of now. In the meantime, I left 5K in my offshore account and plan to have a little fun with it. I like Wyoming tomorrow and the Raiders on Sunday!
     
    I'm nervous that things won't go as planned (maybe he doesn't find the right place and/or continues to struggle with the job market). But, these things are out of my control.
     
    I'm sure many of you won't respect that I gave him the 5Gs. But, he's been a really close friend for 23 year - I couldn't turn my back on him.

    I'll let you guys know if I end up regretting this decision.

    Appreciate everyone that stopped in to offer advice....it was really helpful to hear other perspectives.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:24 PM ET #79

    Quote Originally Posted by wjeremy97:

    give him 5k and don't expect it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjeremy97:

    give him 5k and don't expect it back.

     
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    I think you will never see the $5,000 back, but if that was (a) your expectation and/or (b) that's the cost for you to feel OK about the situation, then so be it.

    Glad to see he was amenable about your suggestions regarding rent and a job. Here's the problem though -- if you care about this guy given your long relationship, you'll have to stay on top of his ass about doing what he's said he's going to do. That means calling him every day and asking him what he did to look for new housing, what he did in terms of looking for a job, etc. etc.. Don't be surprised if he either gets defensive or resentful about this frequent questioning but you need to do it to make sure he knows there is something out there who is watching what he does. He definitely sounds depressed, and while the Xanax is nice for anxiety, maybe he should be on an anti-depressant as well.

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    I think you will never see the $5,000 back, but if that was (a) your expectation and/or (b) that's the cost for you to feel OK about the situation, then so be it.

    Glad to see he was amenable about your suggestions regarding rent and a job. Here's the problem though -- if you care about this guy given your long relationship, you'll have to stay on top of his ass about doing what he's said he's going to do. That means calling him every day and asking him what he did to look for new housing, what he did in terms of looking for a job, etc. etc.. Don't be surprised if he either gets defensive or resentful about this frequent questioning but you need to do it to make sure he knows there is something out there who is watching what he does. He definitely sounds depressed, and while the Xanax is nice for anxiety, maybe he should be on an anti-depressant as well.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:56 PM ET #82

    K- you're a good human and I may have missed it but did he sign something for that 5k? GL
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    K- you're a good human and I may have missed it but did he sign something for that 5k? GL
     
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    Thanks 666les...and no, I didn't make him sign any contract. We have a verbal agreement that he'd begin a repayment plan as soon as he starts drawing an income.

    Kapono, I have never lent him this kind of money, so I can't speak from experience. But in the last 23 years, he has never given me any reason to believe he's not a man of his word. I feel confident I'll be paid back....but am not expecting it for a long time.

    As far as hounding him about his progress, that's not really my style...but I see where you going with it. I def plan to push him and try to help him stay positive
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    Thanks 666les...and no, I didn't make him sign any contract. We have a verbal agreement that he'd begin a repayment plan as soon as he starts drawing an income.

    Kapono, I have never lent him this kind of money, so I can't speak from experience. But in the last 23 years, he has never given me any reason to believe he's not a man of his word. I feel confident I'll be paid back....but am not expecting it for a long time.

    As far as hounding him about his progress, that's not really my style...but I see where you going with it. I def plan to push him and try to help him stay positive
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 3:25 PM ET #84

    kaufee you did the right thing for both of you to be ok with the situation. now its all on him to show the character he has in troubled times..

    youre a good guy...

    and from the bay area....

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    kaufee you did the right thing for both of you to be ok with the situation. now its all on him to show the character he has in troubled times..

    youre a good guy...

    and from the bay area....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 3:32 PM ET #85

    OCD - Thanks Bro! We seem to share that empathetic trait.
    Appreciate all the feedback you gave me


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    OCD - Thanks Bro! We seem to share that empathetic trait.
    Appreciate all the feedback you gave me


     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 3:36 PM ET #86

    Hutchemall, our buddies do have similarities as far as living beyond their means. But, I like to think that my friend has morals and will not selfishly screw me over... time will tell
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    Hutchemall, our buddies do have similarities as far as living beyond their means. But, I like to think that my friend has morals and will not selfishly screw me over... time will tell
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 3:38 PM ET #87

    Give him the money.

    Good friends take tremendous satisfaction and pride in order to pay you back as quickly as possible. Don't listen to all of the other penny pinchers.

    Your buddy needs help..

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    Give him the money.

    Good friends take tremendous satisfaction and pride in order to pay you back as quickly as possible. Don't listen to all of the other penny pinchers.

    Your buddy needs help..

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 3:46 PM ET #88

    Searchwarrant, I did - I gave him the money (5K) last night. I think he is the kind of guy that will take pride in paying me back. If he wasn't, I wouldn't be friends with him.


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    Searchwarrant, I did - I gave him the money (5K) last night. I think he is the kind of guy that will take pride in paying me back. If he wasn't, I wouldn't be friends with him.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaufee:

    Searchwarrant, I did - I gave him the money (5K) last night. I think he is the kind of guy that will take pride in paying me back. If he wasn't, I wouldn't be friends with him.


    Did the right thing in my opinion. My buddy calls in emotional and financial distress? I don't even think twice. "How much do you need."

    Obviously an amount that doesn't put us against the wall. If your wife finds out then fine. Actually I would stretch it out and be honest with her right up front about the loan.. "It's important to me honey and my friend needs a hand." Hell with her if she doesn't understand.

    Honesty, loyalty and integrity never fails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaufee:

    Searchwarrant, I did - I gave him the money (5K) last night. I think he is the kind of guy that will take pride in paying me back. If he wasn't, I wouldn't be friends with him.


    Did the right thing in my opinion. My buddy calls in emotional and financial distress? I don't even think twice. "How much do you need."

    Obviously an amount that doesn't put us against the wall. If your wife finds out then fine. Actually I would stretch it out and be honest with her right up front about the loan.. "It's important to me honey and my friend needs a hand." Hell with her if she doesn't understand.

    Honesty, loyalty and integrity never fails.

     
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    ...and include an effort from him.

    "Take care of yourself and WORK towards being happy and getting back on your feet".

    That's why you are givinhg him the money right? Too see him okay and have a positive look on at least the next couple of months.

    That is mandatory I believe.

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    ...and include an effort from him.

    "Take care of yourself and WORK towards being happy and getting back on your feet".

    That's why you are givinhg him the money right? Too see him okay and have a positive look on at least the next couple of months.

    That is mandatory I believe.

     
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    Search, that's exactly it man.

    Wackycracker - read your advice as well. I took it all to heart, but I couldn't bring myself to make him sign anything. He'll pay me back, I just have to trust him on that.

    Also, several guys think I should tell the wife. I can't make up my mind on that. My wife is cool...but it'll be a fight first, then she'll calm down. I tried to get some bedroom action a few nights ago and she shot me down....but she promised friday night....so I'm thinking I tell her Saturday the earliest 
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    Search, that's exactly it man.

    Wackycracker - read your advice as well. I took it all to heart, but I couldn't bring myself to make him sign anything. He'll pay me back, I just have to trust him on that.

    Also, several guys think I should tell the wife. I can't make up my mind on that. My wife is cool...but it'll be a fight first, then she'll calm down. I tried to get some bedroom action a few nights ago and she shot me down....but she promised friday night....so I'm thinking I tell her Saturday the earliest 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 4:10 PM ET #93

    well i need some money to but not as much can i borrow $300
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    well i need some money to but not as much can i borrow $300
     
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    im out 80k lending a "friend" money to keep his business a float. at the time he was married with 2 little girls and he was in dire straights.

    long story short...within 4 months, his restaurant business closed down, his wife left him for another man and left the girls with him and his parents. he gambled away everything, got high on drugs, and he lied to all of his friends.

    i think i'd be doing time in the big house right now if my other friend didn't stop me from making him retarded. this happened 10yrs ago and till this day he is still broke, living in a basement getting high on blow, and living off his gf's measly weekly paycheck. he has no intentions of paying anyone back.

    I've learned it is your friends who will betray you and not your enemies.

    good luck Kaufee...i hope your friend is a stand up guy and doesn't give up in life.



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    im out 80k lending a "friend" money to keep his business a float. at the time he was married with 2 little girls and he was in dire straights.

    long story short...within 4 months, his restaurant business closed down, his wife left him for another man and left the girls with him and his parents. he gambled away everything, got high on drugs, and he lied to all of his friends.

    i think i'd be doing time in the big house right now if my other friend didn't stop me from making him retarded. this happened 10yrs ago and till this day he is still broke, living in a basement getting high on blow, and living off his gf's measly weekly paycheck. he has no intentions of paying anyone back.

    I've learned it is your friends who will betray you and not your enemies.

    good luck Kaufee...i hope your friend is a stand up guy and doesn't give up in life.



     
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    Tell the wife right now. Women don't sit on delayed news well. Regardless of her mood she'll eventually appreciate your honesty and maybe (if she's quality), find you to be a better husband.
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    Tell the wife right now. Women don't sit on delayed news well. Regardless of her mood she'll eventually appreciate your honesty and maybe (if she's quality), find you to be a better husband.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

    im out 80k lending a "friend" money to keep his business a float. at the time he was married with 2 little girls and he was in dire straights.

    long story short...within 4 months, his restaurant business closed down, his wife left him for another man and left the girls with him and his parents. he gambled away everything, got high on drugs, and he lied to all of his friends.

    i think i'd be doing time in the big house right now if my other friend didn't stop me from making him retarded. this happened 10yrs ago and till this day he is still broke, living in a basement getting high on blow, and living off his gf's measly weekly paycheck. he has no intentions of paying anyone back.

    I've learned it is your friends who will betray you and not your enemies.

    good luck Kaufee...i hope your friend is a stand up guy and doesn't give up in life.





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    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:

    im out 80k lending a "friend" money to keep his business a float. at the time he was married with 2 little girls and he was in dire straights.

    long story short...within 4 months, his restaurant business closed down, his wife left him for another man and left the girls with him and his parents. he gambled away everything, got high on drugs, and he lied to all of his friends.

    i think i'd be doing time in the big house right now if my other friend didn't stop me from making him retarded. this happened 10yrs ago and till this day he is still broke, living in a basement getting high on blow, and living off his gf's measly weekly paycheck. he has no intentions of paying anyone back.

    I've learned it is your friends who will betray you and not your enemies.

    good luck Kaufee...i hope your friend is a stand up guy and doesn't give up in life.





    thats rough
     
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    kaufee,you got good heart can you afford to take hit like this.you should had him sign contract. also i would gave him $3,000 instead full $5,000. that way you could see what is progress is. if he was any kind friend of yours he should insited a written contract. hes probably saying fuck it,he didnt ask so why offer.so i would write something up now about loan amount & payment plan. maybe giving him leway until he gets job. maybe $200 month to be resonable.even if he signs the contract,but you have it in writing down the line. if he refuses to sign your contract.he is not that good of friend as you think.,also that means he wont pay you back. also dont lend him anymore. dont be stupid twice. good luck.
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    kaufee,you got good heart can you afford to take hit like this.you should had him sign contract. also i would gave him $3,000 instead full $5,000. that way you could see what is progress is. if he was any kind friend of yours he should insited a written contract. hes probably saying fuck it,he didnt ask so why offer.so i would write something up now about loan amount & payment plan. maybe giving him leway until he gets job. maybe $200 month to be resonable.even if he signs the contract,but you have it in writing down the line. if he refuses to sign your contract.he is not that good of friend as you think.,also that means he wont pay you back. also dont lend him anymore. dont be stupid twice. good luck.
     
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    The reason your friend is a Xanax junkie is because he is immature and created this anxiety mess for himself.  And his initial salary expectation of at least 65K is mind-numbing when he is broke.  That just tells me that he thinks he is too good to start again from the bottom. 

    Kaufee, since you were adamant about helping him out, I would have started off small and given him $500 to start.  After all, beggars cannot be choosers, and he should be grateful for everything he gets. 

    As an example, if his house was destroyed in a fire, tornado, etc. or an sudden unexpected illness like cancer struck him, I would be MORE THAN WILLING to help him out financially.  However, based on this not so dire situation, I think you have only enabled your friend. 

    But since you realize that there is a good possibility you won't be getting your money back, and your heart is happy with the decision, then who am I to say? 

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    The reason your friend is a Xanax junkie is because he is immature and created this anxiety mess for himself.  And his initial salary expectation of at least 65K is mind-numbing when he is broke.  That just tells me that he thinks he is too good to start again from the bottom. 

    Kaufee, since you were adamant about helping him out, I would have started off small and given him $500 to start.  After all, beggars cannot be choosers, and he should be grateful for everything he gets. 

    As an example, if his house was destroyed in a fire, tornado, etc. or an sudden unexpected illness like cancer struck him, I would be MORE THAN WILLING to help him out financially.  However, based on this not so dire situation, I think you have only enabled your friend. 

    But since you realize that there is a good possibility you won't be getting your money back, and your heart is happy with the decision, then who am I to say? 

     
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    Pokin, Jesus man - 80K!  No wonder you're opposed to lending money. you def got burned. It sounds like drugs is what killed your buddy...I've seen too many people flush their lives down the toilet because they can't get off the crack pipe. I hope my boy doesn't start smoking meth...I likely will never see my money again.

    Baronman, If it were a lot more money, I would likely draw up a contract. But for 5G, it wasn't worth it. I really don't think it will ever come to this.....but worst case scenario - I'm out the 5K, lose trust in a good friend, and learn a valuable life lesson.
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    Pokin, Jesus man - 80K!  No wonder you're opposed to lending money. you def got burned. It sounds like drugs is what killed your buddy...I've seen too many people flush their lives down the toilet because they can't get off the crack pipe. I hope my boy doesn't start smoking meth...I likely will never see my money again.

    Baronman, If it were a lot more money, I would likely draw up a contract. But for 5G, it wasn't worth it. I really don't think it will ever come to this.....but worst case scenario - I'm out the 5K, lose trust in a good friend, and learn a valuable life lesson.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baronman:

    kaufee,you got good heart can you afford to take hit like this.you should had him sign contract. also i would gave him $3,000 instead full $5,000. that way you could see what is progress is. if he was any kind friend of yours he should insited a written contract. hes probably saying fuck it,he didnt ask so why offer.so i would write something up now about loan amount & payment plan. maybe giving him leway until he gets job. maybe $200 month to be resonable.even if he signs the contract,but you have it in writing down the line. if he refuses to sign your contract.he is not that good of friend as you think.,also that means he wont pay you back. also dont lend him anymore. dont be stupid twice. good luck.

    You're going to ask your friend to sign a contract? Duuuude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baronman:

    kaufee,you got good heart can you afford to take hit like this.you should had him sign contract. also i would gave him $3,000 instead full $5,000. that way you could see what is progress is. if he was any kind friend of yours he should insited a written contract. hes probably saying fuck it,he didnt ask so why offer.so i would write something up now about loan amount & payment plan. maybe giving him leway until he gets job. maybe $200 month to be resonable.even if he signs the contract,but you have it in writing down the line. if he refuses to sign your contract.he is not that good of friend as you think.,also that means he wont pay you back. also dont lend him anymore. dont be stupid twice. good luck.

    You're going to ask your friend to sign a contract? Duuuude.

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