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Posted: Jul. 22, 2010 - 10:34 PM ET #401

jpero, who cares what the pope said.  As I said earlier, Catholicism is a cult, it is not Christianity.  Now, Im not saying that there are NO Christian Catholics out there, but they make up there own rules to follow and by and large do not go by the Bible.  MOST never pick up a Bible.
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jpero, who cares what the pope said.  As I said earlier, Catholicism is a cult, it is not Christianity.  Now, Im not saying that there are NO Christian Catholics out there, but they make up there own rules to follow and by and large do not go by the Bible.  MOST never pick up a Bible.
 
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Posted: Jul. 22, 2010 - 10:39 PM ET #402

Hutch, yes, in the eyes of God ALL sin is equal.  Thats why ALL have fallen short of the glory of God.

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Hutch, yes, in the eyes of God ALL sin is equal.  Thats why ALL have fallen short of the glory of God.

 
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Posted: Jul. 22, 2010 - 10:52 PM ET #403

just thought i'd interject.  supereagle used to be a cop, armed and all.  
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just thought i'd interject.  supereagle used to be a cop, armed and all.  
 
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Posted: Jul. 22, 2010 - 10:57 PM ET #404

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

just thought i'd interject.  supereagle used to be a cop, armed and all.  

scary thought 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

just thought i'd interject.  supereagle used to be a cop, armed and all.  

scary thought 
 
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Posted: Jul. 22, 2010 - 11:00 PM ET #405

You know whats funny.  You guys would love me if you knew me.  Im not an over the top religious wack job or anything like that.  I just am confident in what I have found and study it because I believe in it.  Like I said earlier, Im just a regular Joe just like you guys, with 1 exception.
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You know whats funny.  You guys would love me if you knew me.  Im not an over the top religious wack job or anything like that.  I just am confident in what I have found and study it because I believe in it.  Like I said earlier, Im just a regular Joe just like you guys, with 1 exception.
 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 2:41 AM ET #406

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That's because evolution is a fact, and creationism is a belief. 

:facepalm:   Ok I see I am wasting my time with you.  Evolution is one of the most hole filled theories in all of science. 

Again it was an atheist who started this thread, enough said. 

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That's because evolution is a fact, and creationism is a belief. 

:facepalm:   Ok I see I am wasting my time with you.  Evolution is one of the most hole filled theories in all of science. 

Again it was an atheist who started this thread, enough said. 

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 2:49 AM ET #407

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Wow, they must have done a lot of tampering, because there are many more verses, and it's not just slavery....there's also sacrifice, genocide, murder, etc. 
Sorry, but the bible is immoral and is full of contradictions.

 

No it is actually not immoral at all.  The main purpose is to point out the world would be a perfect place if the 10 commandments were the law for everyone. 

 

As for the sacrifice, murder, genocide those were much different times, different people, and all of that bad stuff is a result of mans sin.  Remember we were all supposed to live perfectly and nakedly in the garden of eden until Adam and Eve ate the apple.

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Wow, they must have done a lot of tampering, because there are many more verses, and it's not just slavery....there's also sacrifice, genocide, murder, etc. 
Sorry, but the bible is immoral and is full of contradictions.

 

No it is actually not immoral at all.  The main purpose is to point out the world would be a perfect place if the 10 commandments were the law for everyone. 

 

As for the sacrifice, murder, genocide those were much different times, different people, and all of that bad stuff is a result of mans sin.  Remember we were all supposed to live perfectly and nakedly in the garden of eden until Adam and Eve ate the apple.

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 2:55 AM ET #408

Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

So basically, I'm only supposed to look at the people who believe in God or in churches who haven't molested children?  Ignore all the rest?

There are plenty of people doing just as much good in the world who may not believe in God as the people you list above.  Why does it have to be a church group?  What about the Peace Corps?  They don't get credit becase they aren't affiliated with a church?

God can grant everlasting life, but he has no ability to do anything about the people who are sexually abusing the very people they proclaim to protect in His name.  The Pope has spit in God's face based on his actions.  The leader of one of the largest religions in the world.  And I'm sure he rationalizes it in his mind that it's God's plan and that these "offenders" can be saved.  He is using religion to forward his own agenda.  It's so obvious it's sickening.  And how 'bout the followers of the Catholic church?  They actually put up with this. 

I know, I know.  Free will. But what about the child that gets to heaven and asks God, "why did you let me suffer in your name for all those years?"  God says, "well, I can grant you everlasting life, but I can't stop others from abusing you."

God has a plan for everyone, but that could certainly include plenty of suffering because apparently He has no ability to affect anything that happens on earth (unless you listen to some who say the flood that hit NO was because of the homosexuals).  Apparently now God can effect weather, but can't prevent a child from being terrorized by someone who represents Him at the highest level.

 

 

 

Well you make some good points.  As a freedom loving protestant even our church was subject to catholic oppression and we believe in the same God and savior .  They chased Martin Luther across Europe and actually burnt many others at the stake.  Hmm maybe they really are some bad guys.

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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

So basically, I'm only supposed to look at the people who believe in God or in churches who haven't molested children?  Ignore all the rest?

There are plenty of people doing just as much good in the world who may not believe in God as the people you list above.  Why does it have to be a church group?  What about the Peace Corps?  They don't get credit becase they aren't affiliated with a church?

God can grant everlasting life, but he has no ability to do anything about the people who are sexually abusing the very people they proclaim to protect in His name.  The Pope has spit in God's face based on his actions.  The leader of one of the largest religions in the world.  And I'm sure he rationalizes it in his mind that it's God's plan and that these "offenders" can be saved.  He is using religion to forward his own agenda.  It's so obvious it's sickening.  And how 'bout the followers of the Catholic church?  They actually put up with this. 

I know, I know.  Free will. But what about the child that gets to heaven and asks God, "why did you let me suffer in your name for all those years?"  God says, "well, I can grant you everlasting life, but I can't stop others from abusing you."

God has a plan for everyone, but that could certainly include plenty of suffering because apparently He has no ability to affect anything that happens on earth (unless you listen to some who say the flood that hit NO was because of the homosexuals).  Apparently now God can effect weather, but can't prevent a child from being terrorized by someone who represents Him at the highest level.

 

 

 

Well you make some good points.  As a freedom loving protestant even our church was subject to catholic oppression and we believe in the same God and savior .  They chased Martin Luther across Europe and actually burnt many others at the stake.  Hmm maybe they really are some bad guys.

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 4:04 AM ET #409

[Quote: Originally Posted by OnlyGod]

:facepalm:   Ok I see I am wasting my time with you.  Evolution is one of the most hole filled theories in all of science. 

Again it was an atheist who started this thread, enough said. 


Sorry, but species evolve, that is a fact! If you don't want to believe that, then I can't help you. 

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[Quote: Originally Posted by OnlyGod]

:facepalm:   Ok I see I am wasting my time with you.  Evolution is one of the most hole filled theories in all of science. 

Again it was an atheist who started this thread, enough said. 


Sorry, but species evolve, that is a fact! If you don't want to believe that, then I can't help you. 

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 4:23 AM ET #410

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No it is actually not immoral at all.  The main purpose is to point out the world would be a perfect place if the 10 commandments were the law for everyone. 

You're kidding right? The first three are all about worship me ("god"). Sounds a little egotistical. 4 don't work on the sabbath? Wow that is terrible to do! 5 honor thy mother and father? Really, even if they beat you? 6 ok good one. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. Not the best laws to follow.

 

As for the sacrifice, murder, genocide those were much different times, different people, and all of that bad stuff is a result of mans sin.  

Typical response. What about the slavery? These were "gods" laws!  Stop making excuses.

Remember we were all supposed to live perfectly and nakedly in the garden of eden until Adam and Eve ate the apple.


This is where you need to put your face to palm. Nice fairytale. You really don't believe this do you?
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No it is actually not immoral at all.  The main purpose is to point out the world would be a perfect place if the 10 commandments were the law for everyone. 

You're kidding right? The first three are all about worship me ("god"). Sounds a little egotistical. 4 don't work on the sabbath? Wow that is terrible to do! 5 honor thy mother and father? Really, even if they beat you? 6 ok good one. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. Not the best laws to follow.

 

As for the sacrifice, murder, genocide those were much different times, different people, and all of that bad stuff is a result of mans sin.  

Typical response. What about the slavery? These were "gods" laws!  Stop making excuses.

Remember we were all supposed to live perfectly and nakedly in the garden of eden until Adam and Eve ate the apple.


This is where you need to put your face to palm. Nice fairytale. You really don't believe this do you?
 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 4:55 AM ET #411

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:facepalm:   Ok I see I am wasting my time with you.  Evolution is one of the most hole filled theories in all of science. 

Again it was an atheist who started this thread, enough said. 


Sorry, but species evolve, that is a fact! If you don't want to believe that, then I can't help you. 

Ok then name one species that actually evolved that you have living breathing proof of.  Advantageous mutations and adaptations do not count.

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:facepalm:   Ok I see I am wasting my time with you.  Evolution is one of the most hole filled theories in all of science. 

Again it was an atheist who started this thread, enough said. 


Sorry, but species evolve, that is a fact! If you don't want to believe that, then I can't help you. 

Ok then name one species that actually evolved that you have living breathing proof of.  Advantageous mutations and adaptations do not count.

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 5:04 AM ET #412

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This is where you need to put your face to palm. Nice fairytale. You really don't believe this do you?

Yes I do but I don't see why it matters to you anyways I really don't care about your path to hell. 

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This is where you need to put your face to palm. Nice fairytale. You really don't believe this do you?

Yes I do but I don't see why it matters to you anyways I really don't care about your path to hell. 

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 8:45 AM ET #413

OG, isnt it amazing how blind these people really are?  To the guy who says evolution is a fact, he isnt even in the discussion anymore. He is either just yanking our chain or he doesnt even know about what he is arguing for.  There is no proof anywhere that anything has evolved.  He will not show you proof because he cant.
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OG, isnt it amazing how blind these people really are?  To the guy who says evolution is a fact, he isnt even in the discussion anymore. He is either just yanking our chain or he doesnt even know about what he is arguing for.  There is no proof anywhere that anything has evolved.  He will not show you proof because he cant.
 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 9:14 AM ET #414

Quote Originally Posted by SUPEREAGLE43:

jpero, who cares what the pope said.  As I said earlier, Catholicism is a cult, it is not Christianity.  Now, Im not saying that there are NO Christian Catholics out there, but they make up there own rules to follow and by and large do not go by the Bible.  MOST never pick up a Bible.

The Vatican actually has an office of the "Cult of Christianity"  The Church has never tried to hide behind the cult of Christ.  That has always been accepted and promulgated.

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jpero, who cares what the pope said.  As I said earlier, Catholicism is a cult, it is not Christianity.  Now, Im not saying that there are NO Christian Catholics out there, but they make up there own rules to follow and by and large do not go by the Bible.  MOST never pick up a Bible.

The Vatican actually has an office of the "Cult of Christianity"  The Church has never tried to hide behind the cult of Christ.  That has always been accepted and promulgated.

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 10:04 AM ET #415

jpero, who cares what the pope said.  As I said earlier, Catholicism is a cult, it is not Christianity.

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More then a billion members.  The largest Christian church in the world.  And you are calling them a cult? 

So you are right and a billion people are wrong?  My goodness.

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jpero, who cares what the pope said.  As I said earlier, Catholicism is a cult, it is not Christianity.

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More then a billion members.  The largest Christian church in the world.  And you are calling them a cult? 

So you are right and a billion people are wrong?  My goodness.

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 10:06 AM ET #416

By the way, that last born again person I talked to (and it's obvious you are one based on your posts) chastised me numerous times for having pre-marital sex and then got pregnant with her boyfried when they weren't married.  She said they both thought it was a gift from God. 
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By the way, that last born again person I talked to (and it's obvious you are one based on your posts) chastised me numerous times for having pre-marital sex and then got pregnant with her boyfried when they weren't married.  She said they both thought it was a gift from God. 
 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 1:24 PM ET #417

Absolutely, a billion people are WRONG.  Either you believe that there is 1 and only 1 way to Father or you dont.  There are no partial Christians.  Either you believe or you dont.  Its light vs dark.  It is just that simple.  Praying to Mary and not using the Bible are "dark".  It IS that simple.  The most crucial belief problem with Catholics is that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation when the Bible states that it IS over and over.  The Catholic Church believes in a page long checklist of man made up junk.  Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus' death was not sufficient.  True Christianity hinges totally on the death and resurrection of Christ.

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Absolutely, a billion people are WRONG.  Either you believe that there is 1 and only 1 way to Father or you dont.  There are no partial Christians.  Either you believe or you dont.  Its light vs dark.  It is just that simple.  Praying to Mary and not using the Bible are "dark".  It IS that simple.  The most crucial belief problem with Catholics is that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation when the Bible states that it IS over and over.  The Catholic Church believes in a page long checklist of man made up junk.  Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus' death was not sufficient.  True Christianity hinges totally on the death and resurrection of Christ.

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 1:28 PM ET #418

A lot of obsessive hatred in this thread.  Underlying causes could be that religion has created conflicting thoughts of right and wrong, and someones lifestyle not being accepted by all.  which in turn creates hostility, and hatred towards those who do not believe in  certain lifestyles.  Eventually, this obsessive hatred leads to self destruction.  Haters end up consuming themselves.
In the end, we will all face what is, or is not, beyond life as we live it.
Hating, and demeaning others for their beliefs for is juvenile, a disturbed mind, being consumed by inner fears, and confusion.
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A lot of obsessive hatred in this thread.  Underlying causes could be that religion has created conflicting thoughts of right and wrong, and someones lifestyle not being accepted by all.  which in turn creates hostility, and hatred towards those who do not believe in  certain lifestyles.  Eventually, this obsessive hatred leads to self destruction.  Haters end up consuming themselves.
In the end, we will all face what is, or is not, beyond life as we live it.
Hating, and demeaning others for their beliefs for is juvenile, a disturbed mind, being consumed by inner fears, and confusion.
 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 1:40 PM ET #419

I agree with you Bill.  It is not my job as a Christian to hate on others, but to present them with the opportunity to see, hear, read, or whatever, the Truth as I know it(plant the seed so to speak).  Through all of the bashing that I have received throughout this thread I have simply stated the Truth as I know it.  I dont think I have bashed or hated on anyone.  After that, it is between that person and God as to what happens next, but I know in reality that the path is wide and the gate is narrow.  If anyone has any questions at all about my faith just ask and I will try to answer.  If you dont want to do it publically then PM me.  One thing I can promise is that it is certainly life changing.
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I agree with you Bill.  It is not my job as a Christian to hate on others, but to present them with the opportunity to see, hear, read, or whatever, the Truth as I know it(plant the seed so to speak).  Through all of the bashing that I have received throughout this thread I have simply stated the Truth as I know it.  I dont think I have bashed or hated on anyone.  After that, it is between that person and God as to what happens next, but I know in reality that the path is wide and the gate is narrow.  If anyone has any questions at all about my faith just ask and I will try to answer.  If you dont want to do it publically then PM me.  One thing I can promise is that it is certainly life changing.
 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 1:48 PM ET #420

Hutch, just because someone is born again doesnt mean they become perfect.  We are all still sinners who have to fight off the ways of the world.  It doesnt mean life becomes easier all of a sudden.  I still fling a curse word now and again amongst other things.  As a matter of fact, if you do what your supposed to as a Christian, the Bible says that you will be tested and persecuted.  So things could becomes inherently tougher,  the Bible says that God will never put anything before you that you cant handle with the help of the Holy Spirit.
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Hutch, just because someone is born again doesnt mean they become perfect.  We are all still sinners who have to fight off the ways of the world.  It doesnt mean life becomes easier all of a sudden.  I still fling a curse word now and again amongst other things.  As a matter of fact, if you do what your supposed to as a Christian, the Bible says that you will be tested and persecuted.  So things could becomes inherently tougher,  the Bible says that God will never put anything before you that you cant handle with the help of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 1:50 PM ET #421

Also, any child IS a gift from God regardless of how it got here.
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 2:23 PM ET #422

Quote Originally Posted by SUPEREAGLE43:

Absolutely, a billion people are WRONG.  Either you believe that there is 1 and only 1 way to Father or you dont.  There are no partial Christians.  Either you believe or you dont.  Its light vs dark.  It is just that simple.  Praying to Mary and not using the Bible are "dark".  It IS that simple.  The most crucial belief problem with Catholics is that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation when the Bible states that it IS over and over.  The Catholic Church believes in a page long checklist of man made up junk.  Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus' death was not sufficient.  True Christianity hinges totally on the death and resurrection of Christ.

My friend, any true student of history ceases to be non-catholic.

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Absolutely, a billion people are WRONG.  Either you believe that there is 1 and only 1 way to Father or you dont.  There are no partial Christians.  Either you believe or you dont.  Its light vs dark.  It is just that simple.  Praying to Mary and not using the Bible are "dark".  It IS that simple.  The most crucial belief problem with Catholics is that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation when the Bible states that it IS over and over.  The Catholic Church believes in a page long checklist of man made up junk.  Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus' death was not sufficient.  True Christianity hinges totally on the death and resurrection of Christ.

My friend, any true student of history ceases to be non-catholic.

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 2:24 PM ET #423

We dont have freewill if god knows what will eventually happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOgBWnqVCyo

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We dont have freewill if god knows what will eventually happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOgBWnqVCyo

 
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Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 2:52 PM ET #424

Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:

Ok then name one species that actually evolved that you have living breathing proof of.  Advantageous mutations and adaptations do not count.


Advantageous mutations and adaptations do count, they are part of evolution, and prove that it is a fact! 
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Ok then name one species that actually evolved that you have living breathing proof of.  Advantageous mutations and adaptations do not count.


Advantageous mutations and adaptations do count, they are part of evolution, and prove that it is a fact! 
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SUPEREAGLE43:

I agree with you Bill.  It is not my job as a Christian to hate on others, but to present them with the opportunity to see, hear, read, or whatever, the Truth as I know it(plant the seed so to speak).  Through all of the bashing that I have received throughout this thread I have simply stated the Truth as I know it.  I dont think I have bashed or hated on anyone.  After that, it is between that person and God as to what happens next, but I know in reality that the path is wide and the gate is narrow.  If anyone has any questions at all about my faith just ask and I will try to answer.  If you dont want to do it publically then PM me.  One thing I can promise is that it is certainly life changing.


You say you are spreading the "Truth" as you know it. So in essence you are not spreading any truth whatsoever but are speaking of what you believe and what you think is the truth rather than what is absolute truth.

For thousands of years people thought the world was flat and that was the "truth" as they knew it. The real truth, that only a few believed and spoke about (while being chastised), was that the world was actually round and you would not fall off the face of the earth if you went to the end of it.

Do you see any similarities in that thinking.
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Quote Originally Posted by SUPEREAGLE43:

I agree with you Bill.  It is not my job as a Christian to hate on others, but to present them with the opportunity to see, hear, read, or whatever, the Truth as I know it(plant the seed so to speak).  Through all of the bashing that I have received throughout this thread I have simply stated the Truth as I know it.  I dont think I have bashed or hated on anyone.  After that, it is between that person and God as to what happens next, but I know in reality that the path is wide and the gate is narrow.  If anyone has any questions at all about my faith just ask and I will try to answer.  If you dont want to do it publically then PM me.  One thing I can promise is that it is certainly life changing.


You say you are spreading the "Truth" as you know it. So in essence you are not spreading any truth whatsoever but are speaking of what you believe and what you think is the truth rather than what is absolute truth.

For thousands of years people thought the world was flat and that was the "truth" as they knew it. The real truth, that only a few believed and spoke about (while being chastised), was that the world was actually round and you would not fall off the face of the earth if you went to the end of it.

Do you see any similarities in that thinking.
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